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ELO Scores for Ladder and not only 3808  36

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Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2016, 12:25:52 PM »
im probably top 15 no doubt.

I can name at least 30 Players better then you off the top of my head.
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Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2016, 12:28:16 PM »
The ELO computes a comparable score based on an 90 degrees rotated exponential function.
As a result even if you try to cheat the system by playing all the time weak players you will stop earning ELO points (YES you can earn 0 points)
And if you lose you will lose Loads of points!
Thus over a large amount of games the score convergences to your real capacity!

The highest ELO does not necessary means the Best player! That is why we do not use it for Ladder.
ELO works with comparing 2 players! And tells you what is the chance of player A wins player B.
After the system has enough games the score will represent your ELO. If you get to have 1600 ELO. Players with 1400 or less should probably avoid you as they will have a low chance to win. But a 1500 player still has a good chance to win you.

Now if you are picking up on new players (1300 ELO but high K) and you (1600 with mid K) you will earn some points but the new players will soon drop to a low ELO and that will not give you any points whatsoever.
If I remember well (but I can do the math if people want) the line where you gain 0 ELO is around 400ELO difference.

To find Newbs with high ELO that will give you easy picks on points will be rare!

So in the end; ELO works.

Furthermore, lets take the worst case scenario. Someone uses N accounts on 2 pcs in order to boost his 1 account.
The person could use some accounts to lose and some to win in order to try and boost his 1 account at the end of MANY MANY games.
That 1 account will reach to have a hugely inflated ELO and no one will play with it! Or the Masters will play in order to increase their ELO and destroy the player.
Finally, in such an extreme case the admins could detect it and then ban reset/ban the account.

If people think that these math will help them to appreciate the ELO scores when I have time I can plot them for you.
I can even try to get you the optimal strategy for breaking the formula!
But do you actually think it worth's it?

The whole point here is to promote people of using their Account in order to increase their ELO. Also it gives a tool to the somewhat new players to select opponents.

cheers

Im done with this guy, this guys think hes playing league of legend and understand nothing about how the Elo work lol.
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Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2016, 12:43:43 PM »
Lol Equinox...
I do not even know what league of legends is!

fyi, ELO is the most established measure in competitive gaming.

if you think you can cheat it/abuse it, feel free to do so!

Happy gaming in your efforts ;-)
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Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2016, 12:47:17 PM »
Lol Equinox...
I do not even know what league of legends is!

fyi, ELO is the most established measure in competitive gaming.

if you think you can cheat it/abuse it, feel free to do so!

Happy gaming in your efforts ;-)


Elo is the most established measure in competitive gaming with AUTO random CHOOSING PICK by the GAME HIMSELF idiot.

There no any fucking game except our 20 years old game like  warcraft II and starcraft I where Elo ladder allow you to choose your opponent.

If they switch for auto random pick by the systeme is not for fun.

Its because ELO systeme mean absolutly no shit when you choose your opponents.

There no actual 2016 games with Elo ladder where you can choose your opponent yourself.

You an idiot who try to act like a smart guys with BIG words, but you definitly know nothing about Elo systeme.

Go to sleep son.
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Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2019, 10:30:38 AM »
Well guys i dont want to be the party breaker but ELO systeme is just retard rigged and waste of time.

Elo systeme just gonna allow peoples to abuse of the ladder.

Dont forget ELO ladder have always been our #1 ladder for many years.

So we already know what it is, but i think peoples just forget that.

Do you guys forget the integrated ladder in the game himself is a ELO systeme and as we all know this ladder have always been useless.

The only thing it bring is to see more newbs in the top ladder.

If newbs want to climb this ELO ladder they just need to play lot of other newbs steal ther points and they gonna be top 10 with 42-0.

At least in our actual ladder systeme winning over newbs not gonna bring you up in the ladder.

If you want to climb in our actual ladder you will have to beat someone ranked over you.

Im pretty sure too our actual ladder is not on perfect condition and need some work, but elo systeme not gonna bring nothing good where peoples can chose ther matches.

Elo systeme is a ladder systeme for random games that the systeme suppose to choose for you, elo systeme is not for peoples who choose ther own matchs cuz at the end it just finish as a rigged systeme.

Let's take by exemple someone like me... Im probably not the best, but im probably top 15 no doubt.

The things is i dont really used to play against newbe, i always play against the best player of the server, so if i start losing alot against them im gonna lose alot of ELO and gonna get rank as the worst player of the game...

While other newbs gonna play against other newbs and gonna start to climb over me.

Thats the kind of systeme ELO is for this game especially.

And thats the reason why ELO systeme is all random games choose by the systeme himself.

Like warcraft 3, starcraft II, Heroes of the storm, league of legend, dota, smith, overwatch, heartstone, etc, etc..

You cant choose who you want to play in ELO systeme, it make no sens lol.

GOOD luck.


Welcome back Equinox <3
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Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« Reply #35 on: May 09, 2019, 10:30:36 AM »
Some historical statistic with rating:

http://replays.war2.ru/tournaments/index.html
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Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« Reply #36 on: May 09, 2019, 03:13:57 PM »
Wow, you updated that replay site to implement tournaments?