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Re: Re: Trump won and all I can think about is ^adam^
« Reply #90 on: December 30, 2016, 05:34:55 PM »
Technology is advancing every day.. machines have been and will continue to replace human bodies in the work force until technology gets to the point where there are literally no jobs a machine can't do. Right now 1% of the U.s. Population holds over 50% of the nation's wealth. The middle class is shrinking every year, those in poverty grow every year, and the wealth the top 1% increases every year. Its not sustainable.  If the trend continues, there will be another catastrophic economic collapse. I'm not saying increasing the minimum wage is the permanent fix, but it is a temporary bandaid that will keep our economy "stable" until a more permanent solution comes along, or an inevitable collapse.

some type of basic income will probably be implemented as a last ditch effort to keep capitalism alive. although there's way too much opposition towards it, particularly in the usa, because of some antiquated ideas of how "people must work to survive!". implying if people got  a basic income they wouldn't work. the reality is, work is more enjoyable when you aren't forced to do it and aren't fearful of losing your job and being thrown into poverty.
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Re: Trump won and all I can think about is ^adam^
« Reply #91 on: December 31, 2016, 10:09:16 AM »
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« Reply #92 on: December 31, 2016, 10:11:46 AM »
Technology is advancing every day.. machines have been and will continue to replace human bodies in the work force until technology gets to the point where there are literally no jobs a machine can't do. Right now 1% of the U.s. Population holds over 50% of the nation's wealth. The middle class is shrinking every year, those in poverty grow every year, and the wealth the top 1% increases every year. Its not sustainable.  If the trend continues, there will be another catastrophic economic collapse. I'm not saying increasing the minimum wage is the permanent fix, but it is a temporary bandaid that will keep our economy "stable" until a more permanent solution comes along, or an inevitable collapse.

some type of basic income will probably be implemented as a last ditch effort to keep capitalism alive. although there's way too much opposition towards it, particularly in the usa, because of some antiquated ideas of how "people must work to survive!". implying if people got  a basic income they wouldn't work. the reality is, work is more enjoyable when you aren't forced to do it and aren't fearful of losing your job and being thrown into poverty.

Guaranteed basic income will definitely happen in the next 50 years or there will be a bloody revolution. The late capitalist economy by design creates millions of unemployable people with no prospects, better give them free money or they're going to all go on shooting sprees/join ISIS/start a fascist or communist revolution.

Then again the ruling class is incredibly stupid and deranged and arrogant so who knows.
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Re: Trump won and all I can think about is ^adam^
« Reply #93 on: December 31, 2016, 11:59:02 AM »
The H-2A labor rates just came out for the states.  $11.66 per hour with transportation there and back, housing, and a vehicle to use on the job where I live.  Min wage is under $8 but it doesn't matter as the supply and demand for labor merits the $11.66 easily. 

It is laughable that anti capitalists truly believe that the concept of a ruling class would go away if capitalism went away.  It just changes hands but it will always be in the hands of a smaller percent. 

The failure of the USSR... was a failure of the Marxist economics policies.  Regardless if you want to say it was ochrastrated by western operatives or not.  I say this because the collapse happened in our lifetime, it was the smaller counties that revoluted as they were no longer being treated as equal partners. (Obviously this is shorted as there is hundred of books written on it.). Putin himself places the blame on Lenin and how he implemented things.  In the end anti-capitalist or not, that collapse resulted in the worst economic time in there entire history.  The USSR removed the ability of free thinking individuals that threatened or went against them.  They oppressed and ruled there comrades with fear.  It was the exact thing that Marx predicted would happen within that type of society.  That it would fail and return back to barbarism.  Marxisright what would you contribute to the USSR failing?  If it was the west meddling then it would be exactly what I said at the beginning about the ability of humans being corruptible and any system that is equal will always fail because it is the inability of humans to control there wants and desires.  If they could control them then a system that is equal would naturally be the best system... but utopia doesn't exist in the real world.

If you think about labor as supply and demand, the 50's-60's would be after WW2 and there was a huge loss of life throughout the world.  So logically speaking if you want to use the 60's in regards to min wage it would completely support what I was saying.  This is one of the biggest reasons China uses population control due to the work force.  When population gets to the point where the basic needs (food, shelter, water) are unattainable there has always been riots/revolution/war.  This is another reason why china manipulates its currency and controls the prices of food in there country. 

 
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« Reply #94 on: December 31, 2016, 12:40:33 PM »
The H-2A labor rates just came out for the states.  $11.66 per hour with transportation there and back, housing, and a vehicle to use on the job where I live.  Min wage is under $8 but it doesn't matter as the supply and demand for labor merits the $11.66 easily. 

It is laughable that anti capitalists truly believe that the concept of a ruling class would go away if capitalism went away.  It just changes hands but it will always be in the hands of a smaller percent. 

The failure of the USSR... was a failure of the Marxist economics policies.  Regardless if you want to say it was ochrastrated by western operatives or not.  I say this because the collapse happened in our lifetime, it was the smaller counties that revoluted as they were no longer being treated as equal partners. (Obviously this is shorted as there is hundred of books written on it.). Putin himself places the blame on Lenin and how he implemented things.  In the end anti-capitalist or not, that collapse resulted in the worst economic time in there entire history.  The USSR removed the ability of free thinking individuals that threatened or went against them.  They oppressed and ruled there comrades with fear.  It was the exact thing that Marx predicted would happen within that type of society.  That it would fail and return back to barbarism.  Marxisright what would you contribute to the USSR failing?  If it was the west meddling then it would be exactly what I said at the beginning about the ability of humans being corruptible and any system that is equal will always fail because it is the inability of humans to control there wants and desires.  If they could control them then a system that is equal would naturally be the best system... but utopia doesn't exist in the real world.

If you think about labor as supply and demand, the 50's-60's would be after WW2 and there was a huge loss of life throughout the world.  So logically speaking if you want to use the 60's in regards to min wage it would completely support what I was saying.  This is one of the biggest reasons China uses population control due to the work force.  When population gets to the point where the basic needs (food, shelter, water) are unattainable there has always been riots/revolution/war.  This is another reason why china manipulates its currency and controls the prices of food in there country. 

 

You are insanely fucking stupid.
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Re: Trump won and all I can think about is ^adam^
« Reply #95 on: December 31, 2016, 10:08:19 PM »
Yea it was a shit post and I'm getting tired of his ridiculous liberalism.
The USSR took the obliterated post-world war 1 economy and was transformed into superpower. Russia had never been so powerful in its history.
They opened schools up to women, and made educational access easier for the poor. This at a time, when American schools were racially segregated.
The Soviets were the first ever to launch an artificial satellite into orbit, first to put a human in space, first EVA spacewalk, etc etc etc.
So you'll have to describe better your definition of fail.

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Putin himself places the blame on Lenin and how he implemented things.
Who knows if there is any truth to this, but it wouldn't be surprising. Putin is a capitalist pig dog.