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Re: Testimonies of ex Christians's that had me in tears: beautiful
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2017, 09:05:53 AM »
So already we can clearly see that Islam, which teaches that Jesus was just a human prophet (it is impossible to be a good human prophet when you are going around calling yourself God if you are not) is not compatible with the Bible, which teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, true God, the second person of the triune God-head with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

So why are there some similarities?

Satan likes to take God's Word and God's work and distort and twist and pervert it.

For example, God has designed sex and marriage.

Satan twists and distorts the God-made, natural functions, and comes up with all kinds of perversion that go against God's perfect will. God says sex belongs between a man and woman who have committed to each other for life in marriage, thus creating the natural family that is the perfect place for children that come from the union to be loved, protected, and raised.

Satan has deceived people to think it's a good idea to have sex with anyone and anything, no matter the suffering that results from it. Broken families are everywhere. Following the allure of Satan's deception leads to brokenness, pain, and death.

The pleasure in sex was God's design. The pain of disease, the pain of being rejected by someone you love, the pain of having someone else raising your child, the pain of being cheated on, the pain of being unable to respond normally to your spouse after porn has ruined your mind and body, those are things Satan wants for people. He uses the bait of God-made sexual pleasure, but in ways and places where God doesn't allow it, and then Satan rejoices and laughs when families are destroyed and hearts are broken and bodies are riddled with disease and when unwanted children are torn apart in the womb, piece by piece.

Satan is behind Islam, and in some ways and in some places, there is some imitation of the real thing. But closer examination reveals that Satan is laughing at humans who swallow the nonsensical teachings of Islam.

Here are a few of them:

SATAN HANGS OUT IN YOUR NOSE WHEN YOU SLEEP AND YOU NEED TO WASH HIM OUT EVERY TIME YOU WAKE UP

Abu Huraira reported: The Apostle of Allah said. When any one of you awakes up from sleep and performs ablution, he must clean his nose three times, for the devil spends the night in the interior of his nose. (Sahih Muslim, Book 002, Number 0462)

And:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “If anyone of you rouses from sleep and performs the ablution, he should wash his nose by putting water in it and then blowing it out thrice, because Satan has stayed in the upper part of his nose all the night.” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 516)

The footnote to this particular hadith states:

(1) (H. 3295) We should believe that Satan actually stays in the upper part of one’s nose, though we cannot perceive how, for this is related to the unseen world of which we know nothing except what Allah tells us through his Messenger. (Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan, The Translation of the Meanings of Sahih Al-Bukhari [Darussalam Publishers & Distributors, July 1997], Volume 4. Ahadith 2738 to 3648, 59 – The Book Of The Beginning Of Creation, (11) CHAPTER. The Characteristics of Iblis (Satan) and his soldiers. p. 312; bold and italic emphasis ours)

(Taken from http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/rebuttals/badawi/satan_in_nose.html)

DRINK CAMEL URINE YUM YUM

https://islamqa.info/en/83423

http://metro.co.uk/2015/06/11/bad-news-for-anyone-who-likes-to-drink-camel-urine-5240920/

World Health Organization advises people to stop drinking camel urine:

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/06/10/stop-drinking-camel-urine-world-health-organization-says

There are many, many more silly teachings in Islam, but I'm out of time for now.

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Re: Testimonies of ex Christians's that had me in tears: beautiful
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Re: Testimonies of ex Christians's that had me in tears: beautiful
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2017, 01:44:52 PM »
Tora, you're just spamming the thread with videos you haven't even watched.

Do you actually have anything to say?

Any thoughts or opinions or information that has actually passed through your head?
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Re: Testimonies of ex Christians's that had me in tears: beautiful
« Reply #22 on: November 18, 2017, 05:14:20 PM »
Tora, you're just spamming the thread with videos you haven't even watched.

Do you actually have anything to say?

Any thoughts or opinions or information that has actually passed through your head?

lol, I finally clicked on one of your posts to see what you had to say. You have been on my ignore list for over a week and you will remain on it indefinitely.
I have nothing to say to you.
The title of this thread is "Testimonies of ex Christians's that had me in tears: beautiful" everything that I have posted is relevant to said title and yes I have watched them all. 
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Re: Testimonies of ex Christians's that had me in tears: beautiful
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2017, 08:15:07 AM »
@BabyShark

It seems that you are suggesting that Jesus Christ Himself was a "false Christ".

That is certainly not what I am suggesting.  My point is that the Bible mentions that people, other than Jesus Christ, were able to perform miracles.  Jesus Christ himself prophesised that even false Christs and false prophets would be able to do miracles and wonders to deceive people.  The Bible also shows us how Moses was able to perform miracles. Therefore, your point that Jesus Christ is God because he was able to perform miracles does not stand.


Jesus' supernatural power is not coming from Satan. Satan is the enemy of God.

Jesus' supernatural power is coming from God, obviously.

So, is Jesus just a man? Or is Jesus both fully God and fully man like the Bible teaches?

Would God give supernatural power to a liar?

Why can't God give supernatural power to Jesus Christ as a prophet and messenger?  He certainly did so with Moses (as I mentioned earlier) and many others.

And I still cannot see where the Bible teaches that Jesus is FULLY God and FULLY man... this is your own interpretation.  You are yet to produce clear proof to justify your case.

If I were to worship anyone as my God, I would like to hear that God say "I am God" or "Worship me", not some ambiguous statements or other statements by inference.

The God in the Koran says in multiple instances:

(10) And when he came to it (the fire), he was called by name: "O Mûsa (Moses)! (11) "Verily! I am your Lord! So take off your shoes, you are in the sacred valley, Tuwa. (12) "And I have chosen you. So listen to that which will be revealed (to you). (13) "Verily! I am Allâh! Lâ ilâha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I), so worship Me, and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) for My Remembrance. (14)  [Al-Qur'an 20:11-14]

And I (Allâh) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone). [Al-Qur'an 51:56]


John 5:18

18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

This is the jews' interpretation of Jesus Christ's statements, not Jesus Christ admitting this himself.  The jews were always looking to catch him out because they did not like his preaching.  They tried to find fault with any statement, every statement he made and accused him of blasphemy because of their deliberate misunderstanding of his words.


Jesus uses the same words that God Himself used from the burning bush with Moses to describe Himself, saying that "before Abraham was, I AM." The Jews were so angry that He was calling Himself God that they picked up stones to stone Him to death, but Jesus just supernaturally walked right through them.

Regarding the statement "before Abraham was, I AM", Jesus Christ does not actually say "I AM GOD".  He said "I AM".  So, how WAS HE?  Was he with God?  I accept that.  Jesus was with God... but then so was I, so were you, so was Muhammad, so was everybody.  How?  In what form, shape or size?  No, not in form, shape or size, but in knowledge, i.e in the knowledge of God, Jesus was there before Abraham was physically in this earth.  He knew about Jesus long before Abraham chronologically walked this earth.  God is omniscient - He knows everything.  What we know as past, present and future, for God it is all one, like an open book.  God tells Jeremiah:

"I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb.  Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations." [Jeremiah 1:5]

How can God know Jeremiah before he went into his mother's womb???  Was Jeremiah with God?  Yes, he was there in His knowledge.


There are 3 possiblities.

1. Jesus is lying.
2. Jesus is insane.
3. Jesus is telling the truth.

The possibility that Jesus is a good man or a good human prophet does not exist, because good men and good prophets don't go around lying to people and telling everyone they are God.

Why should Jesus be either a Liar, Lunatic or Lord?  Why can't he be a true messenger of God, a good man, a human prophet?  Why should it be either black or white?  What about the endless shades of grey in between... do you see them at all?

You are basing your assumption that Jesus is God because he "claimed" to be so, but then I see you have not been able to prove it so far.


He was born of a virgin, human woman by the Holy Spirit, so He did not inherit sinfulness like all the rest of us do from our parents. Isaiah prophesied about His birth 700 years earlier. Immanuel means "God with us" and describes Jesus as being God in the flesh, here with us.

Matthew 1:18-23

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,”

Let's have a look at this prophecy of Isaiah.  Verse 22 says "...and they shall call His name Immanuel".  Did anyone ever call Jesus "Immanuel" during his lifetime?  The Bible certainly does not say so.  Then this prophecy is clearly not fulfilled, thus everything else you said in connection with this becomes a moot point.


Jesus took on humanity, and in His humanity, was lower than God. He did not lose His God-ness, but He took on humanity. Why??

So He could keep the law perfectly (where we cannot) so that He could become the sacrifice for our sins, and die. He needed to be human so he could take our place of punishment.

So here, my Q to you is: Did Jesus die as a man or as God?

If it's the former, then one man cannot take on the sins of mankind - that's common sense.

Then, he must have died as God?  If that's the case, that's an even bigger problem for you to solve... first of all, God dying is blasphemy, period.  Secondly, who ruled the world for 3 days and 3 nights (before his "alleged" ascension onto heaven)?


So already we can clearly see that Islam, which teaches that Jesus was just a human prophet (it is impossible to be a good human prophet when you are going around calling yourself God if you are not) is not compatible with the Bible, which teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, true God, the second person of the triune God-head with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

The only place in the Bible where the trinity is defined per se is 1 John 5:7, where it reads:

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - [1 John 5:7 - King James Version]

This is the clearest statement on the trinity to be found in the Bible.  But judging from your quotations, I see you are using the "New American Standard Bible" and this verse is not there!  What happened? It has been taken out as a fabrication, as an interpolation, as an adulteration.

So, who took it out and why?  32 Christian scholars of the highest eminence, back by 50 cooperating Christian denominations took the verse out as a fabrication because it was not in the most ancient manuscripts.  It's an amazing situation where the most up to date bible, going back to the most ancient manuscripts does not contain the very foundation of your belief on the trinity, and YET, you still insist that the Bible teaches the trinity.

What's even more amazing is that the word "TRINITY" itself does not exist in the Bible.  The Christians have produced hundreds of different versions of the Bible but the word "TRINITY" is nowhere to be found in any of them!  The word "TRINITY" however is in the Koran, and this is what it reads:

"O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Messenger of Allah and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." [Al Qur'an 4:171]


I think I've given you plenty to ponder upon.  I look forward to your reply.
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« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2017, 08:13:08 AM »
@BabyShark

I'm continuing from where I left off in my previous post.  I also have comments on another thread of yours, which I will post afterwards.

Satan twists and distorts the God-made, natural functions, and comes up with all kinds of perversion that go against God's perfect will. God says sex belongs between a man and woman who have committed to each other for life in marriage, thus creating the natural family that is the perfect place for children that come from the union to be loved, protected, and raised.

Satan has deceived people to think it's a good idea to have sex with anyone and anything, no matter the suffering that results from it. Broken families are everywhere. Following the allure of Satan's deception leads to brokenness, pain, and death.

The pleasure in sex was God's design. The pain of disease, the pain of being rejected by someone you love, the pain of having someone else raising your child, the pain of being cheated on, the pain of being unable to respond normally to your spouse after porn has ruined your mind and body, those are things Satan wants for people. He uses the bait of God-made sexual pleasure, but in ways and places where God doesn't allow it, and then Satan rejoices and laughs when families are destroyed and hearts are broken and bodies are riddled with disease and when unwanted children are torn apart in the womb, piece by piece.

I couldn't agree more to what you said.  If we were all to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Bible and what God has ordained in the Koran, we would not be having so many broken families.  We have to deal problem at its source.

Jesus says in the Bible:

"27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." [Matthew 5:27-28]

Jesus is teaching us here that we should lower our gaze to avoid temptation.  The same message is given in the Koran:

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is acquainted with all that they do." [QUR'AN 24:30]

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and adornments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should cover their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers,..." [QUR'AN 24:31]


Satan is behind Islam, and in some ways and in some places, there is some imitation of the real thing. But closer examination reveals that Satan is laughing at humans who swallow the nonsensical teachings of Islam.

I fail to see from that one Hadith which you quoted how "Satan is behind Islam".  Washing up one's nose 3 times to ward off Satan barely justifies your statement.

However, I can quote you Biblical verses that seem to be more of an inspiration from Satan than from God:

If two men are fighting and the wife of one of the men comes to save her husband's life, YOU SHOULD CUT OFF HER HAND.

" When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." [Deuteronomy 25:11-12]

Is this the inspiration of God or that of Satan?  Is this sanity or lunacy?  Nay, this is lunacy of the highest order.  Much has been said about Islam degrading women, yet Christianity teaches you to cut off your wife's hand if she comes to your rescue...

God kills 50,070 men for looking into an Ark

"He struck down some of the men of Beth-shemesh because they had looked into the ark of the LORD. He struck down of all the people, 50,070 men, and the people mourned because the LORD had struck the people with a great slaughter." [1 Samuel 6:19]

This God of Love and Mercy that you are boasting about allows 50,070 men to look into an Ark and then slaughters all of them.  He could have killed the first one and let it be a lesson to the remaining 50,069 men... but no, this God is bloodthirsty.  And you say these are words inspired from God?  I cannot attribute such monstrosity to the All-Loving God.
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« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2017, 08:23:09 AM »
The Flash is way better than Spider-Man because if Spidey tried to throw webs at him he could just dodge them cos he is so fast, then he could just run straight up the side of a building and totally pwn Spiderman.

If anyone disagrees I will kill your children and blow up your towns with drone-strikes and IEDs.
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« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2017, 08:27:34 AM »
The Flash is way better than Spider-Man because if Spidey tried to throw webs at him he could just dodge them cos he is so fast, then he could just run straight up the side of a building and totally pwn Spiderman.

Spiderman has spider sence and would sence the flash before he was hit. Spiderman would own the flash.
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2017, 10:53:43 AM »
The Flash is way better than Spider-Man because if Spidey tried to throw webs at him he could just dodge them cos he is so fast, then he could just run straight up the side of a building and totally pwn Spiderman.

Spiderman has spider sence and would sence the flash before he was hit. Spiderman would own the flash.

Blasphemy! The legion of the holy bolt will curse you name while swatting at puny spiders with our righteous brooms of truth! We will rain flash-bangs upon your decendents untill the end of time! You will die screaming for this heinous sin against the one true god of inappropriate tights!
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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2017, 10:21:49 PM »

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