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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2017, 08:17:31 PM »
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You seem to have difficulty articulating your beliefs, so I decided to help you out.

This is plainly disingenuous. I have expressed no difficulty articulating my beliefs and you haven't even expressed an inability to understand them (instead you've evaded and ignored arguments). In addition, the idea that you could articulate my beliefs better than myself is plainly ludicrous, and this is made obvious by the absurd nature of the beliefs you attributed to me. You claim to be a Christian yet you lie about what I believe and, when confronted about this, rather than apologizing and seeking to atone for your sin, you turn it into a virtue. This is very unbecoming behavior for anyone, let alone a forum moderator, and is neither honest nor conducive to discussion.

I will not respond to your questionnaire until at least you admit that you lied about my beliefs and then lied again when confronted, and then I will consider it. This post was obviously made in bad faith and, as someone who is only interested in intelligent and productive discussion with intellectually honest and ethical parties.
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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2017, 09:30:29 PM »
Can you or can you not articulate what you actually believe? Do you not know? Are you scared to tell people?

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You seem to have difficulty articulating your beliefs, so I decided to help you out. You claim I've misrepresented your worldview, so I thought it would be a positive thing to give you a chance to specify your actual worldview if it differs from the one presented. Here is a questionnaire to help you share your actual worldview.
If you want to show where I'm mistaken, please use the "Quote" feature, and within the quote, add a mark beside your chosen answers in this questionnaire, such as * or X or #, as you prefer, to indicate your responses.

I'll fill it out for myself, so you can just easily change the answers according to your views. To clarify, these are my answers representing my views. I invite you to change the answers to represent your own views.

I'm an atheist
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False*
I don't know

2. I believe in evolution from single-celled bacteria to human beings
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3. I believe Darwin's writings are scientifically accurate and true
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4. Darwin taught that white people are more evolved than other races
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False
I don't know

5. Death (of all inferior genes) is essential to evolutionary progress, according to the evolutionary worldview
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False
I don't know

6. I'm a Muslim
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False*
I don't know

7. Islam is a theistic religion
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False
I don't know

8. I believe Muhammad's version of god, Allah, is the real god who made the universe, and Muhammad is his prophet and accurately relays Allah's message to people.
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False*
I don't know

9. Islam is a good religion, and I think the beliefs of the Quran should be protected and promoted.
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I don't know

10. Hitler believed in evolution and wanted to help evolution out by creating a more advanced race of human beings by killing the genes he considered inferior.
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11. Evolution is helping people to become better.
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I don't know

12. I support and approve of homosexual behavior
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13. I am a homosexual
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14. A male and a male OR a female and a female can produce offspring in the absence of the opposite gender.
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15. The world is overpopulated
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16. We need to slow population growth
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17. It is good to reduce the world population
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18. It is good to reduce the world population by aborting unborn babies
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19. It is good to reduce the world population by any means, including promoting war, homosexuality, abortion, promiscuous sex, breaking down natural family structure, promoting birth control, and promoting the undesirability of parenthood.
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20. When faced with a struggle to survive, living things evolve new features, like gills or wings or lungs or legs.
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21. Wings evolved because a wingless creature wanted to fly.
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22. Wings evolved accidentally and randomly on an individual animal
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23. Wings evolved accidentally and randomly suddenly into a whole population of animals all at once
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24. Wings evolved into multiple individuals in population of animals and the wings were immediately fully functional
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25. Wings evolved onto one individual only, but the wings were not fully functional
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26. I think acceptance of homosexuality should be taught to all people
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27. I think acceptance of heterosexuality should be taught to all people
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28. Islamic writings call for the killing of homosexuals
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29. I approve of Islamic writings and beliefs and values
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30. I hate Christians
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31. Christians are all stupid
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32. Christians should be killed if they cannot be forced to stop being Christians
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33. Christians should not be allowed to share their beliefs publicly
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34. I find the Christian worldview upsetting and disturbing
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35. All Christians that believe the Bible is the Word of God are racists
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36. I approve of female genital mutilation forced on young girls
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37. I approve of women and girls being beaten by their husband
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38. I approve of women who are raped or falsely accused of adultery being stoned for adultery
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39. Many women and girls in Islamic countries are abused and oppressed
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40. The Quran and other Islamic texts prescribe female genital mutilation, calling it "circumcision"
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41. Muhammad, in the Quran and other Islamic texts, prescribed wife-beating
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False
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42. Muhammad married a 6 year old girl named Aisha and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old
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False
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43. Muhammad was a good role model and we should believe and follow what he wrote and taught
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44. People who have wrong opinions or beliefs should be
ignored
silenced
taught*
imprisoned
killed
insulted and ridiculed* (occasionally, in a most friendly manner to help them overcome their illogical beliefs and be converted to the truth and find peace and joy and love ;))
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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2017, 07:45:01 AM »
43. Muhammad was a good role model and we should believe and follow what he wrote and taught
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You might not want to believe Muhammad to be a role model but those people certainly did and they did so without any hidden agenda:

1. George Bernard Shaw - The Genuine Islam Vol.No.8, 1936

"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam."

“I believe if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring much needed peace and happiness.
I have studied him - the man and in my opinion is far from being an anti–Christ. He must be called the Savior of Humanity.
I have prophesied about the faith of Mohammad that it would be acceptable the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”


2. Nepolean Bonaparte – Quoted in Christian Cherfils BONAPARTE ET ISLAM (PARIS  1914)

“I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Qur'an which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.”


3. M.K.Gandhi, YOUNG INDIA, 1924

"...I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble."


4. Lamartine - Histoire de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol II, pp. 276-77

"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls... the forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, the unit of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"


5. Edward Gibbon and Simon Ocklay  - History of the Saracen Empire, London, 1870, p. 54

"It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder, the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Medina is preserved, after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran...The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man. 'I believe in One God and Mahomet the Apostle of God', is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue, and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."


6. Rev. Bosworth Smith, Mohammed and Mohammadanism, London 1874, p. 92

"He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports."


7. Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p. 4

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."


8. Montgomery Watt, Mohammad at Mecca, Oxford 1953, p. 52

"His readiness to undergo persecutions for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement – all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad."


9. James A. Michener, 'Islam: The Misunderstood Religion' in Reader's Digest (American Edition), May 1955, pp. 68-70

"Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570 into an Arabian tribe that worshipped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five, his employer, recognizing his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older, he married her, and as long as she lived, remained a devoted husband.

"Like almost every major prophet before him, Muhammad fought shy of serving as the transmitter of God's word, sensing his own inadequacy. But the angel commanded 'Read'. So far as we know, Muhammad was unable to read or write, but he began to dictate those inspired words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of the earth: "There is one God."

"In all things Muhammad was profoundly practical. When his beloved son Ibrahim died, an eclipse occurred, and rumors of God's personal condolence quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have announced, 'An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish to attribute such things to the death or birth of a human-being.'"

"At Muhammad's own death an attempt was made to deify him, but the man who was to become his administrative successor killed the hysteria with one of the noblest speeches in religious history: 'If there are any among you who worshipped Muhammad, he is dead. But if it is God you worshipped, He lives forever.'"


10. Michael H. Hart, The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, New York: Hart Publishing Company, Inc. 1978, p. 33

"My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular level."

"...It is probable that the relative influence of Muhammad on Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity. ...It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history."


11. Sarojini Naidu, the famous Indian poetess says – S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, Speeches and Writings, Madaras, 1918

“It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... “


12. Thomas Caryle – Heros and Heros Worship

“…The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammed) are disgraceful to ourselves only…How one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades….A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world; the world’s Maker had ordered so."


13. Stanley Lane-Poole – Table Talk of the Prophet

“He was the most faithful protector of those he protected, the sweetest and most agreeable in conversation. Those who saw him were suddenly filled with reverence; those who came near him loved him; they who described him would say, "I have never seen his like either before or after." He was of great taciturnity, but when he spoke it was with emphasis and deliberation, and no one could forget what he said...”


14. Dr. William Draper, "A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe"

"Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born in Mecca, in Arabia, the man who, of all men, has exercised the greatest influence upon the human race... To be the religious head of many empires, to guide the daily life of one-third of the human race, may perhaps justify the title of a Messenger of God."


15. Leo Tolstoy - The Rule of Prophet Mohammed

“Muhammad has always been standing higher than the Christianity. He does not consider god as a human being and never makes himself equal to God. Muslims worship nothing except God and Muhammad is his Messenger. There is no any mystery and secret in it.”


16. K. S. Ramakrishna Rao - 'Mohammed: The Prophet of Islam,' 1989

"Today after a lapse of fourteen centuries, the life and teachings of Muhammad have survived without the slightest loss, alteration or interpolation. They offer the same undying hope for treating mankind’s many ills, which they did when he was alive. This is not a claim of Muhammad’s followers but also the inescapable conclusion forced upon by a critical and unbiased history."

""The personality of Muhammad is most difficult to get the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of him I can catch. What dramatic succession of picturesque scenes? There is Muhammad the Prophet; there is Muhammad the General; Muhammad the King; Muhammad the Warrior; Muhammad the Businessman; Muhammad the Preacher; Muhammad the Philosopher; Muhammad the Statesman; Muhammad the Orator; Muhammad the Reformer; Muhammad the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad the Judge; Muhammad the Saint... In all these magnificent roles and in all these departments of human activities he is equally a hero."


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How do you compare to these great theologians and historians?  Why should anyone believe your words over theirs?
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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2017, 09:05:17 AM »
Can you or can you not articulate what you actually believe? Do you not know? Are you scared to tell people?

No, I already said why I won't complete your questionnaire, because you are deceitful and argue in bad faith. You have not actually engaged with any of my expressed opinions, instead you lie about what I believe and argue with that, and refuse to apologize for lying. You are a bad faith actor in this discussion and until you acknowledge and apologize for your lies I will not engage you except to point out your falsehoods. Cheers.

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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2017, 08:00:29 PM »
Can you or can you not articulate what you actually believe? Do you not know? Are you scared to tell people?

No, I already said why I won't complete your questionnaire, because you are deceitful and argue in bad faith. You have not actually engaged with any of my expressed opinions, instead you lie about what I believe and argue with that, and refuse to apologize for lying. You are a bad faith actor in this discussion and until you acknowledge and apologize for your lies I will not engage you except to point out your falsehoods. Cheers.



You haven't expressed any opinions other than you hate me and want me dead.

If you are willing to express your views by filling out the questionnaire so we know what we are talking about, that would be a very beneficial first step, not only to discussion, but also to you, since I expect you would have to do a little bit of thinking to answer these questions. An answer of "I don't know" is a perfectly acceptable answer as well. Just answer them all with what you think or with "I don't know". It's not that hard.
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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2017, 08:07:16 PM »
43. Muhammad was a good role model and we should believe and follow what he wrote and taught
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Instead of going by what some uninformed people have to say, I would rather go directly to the SOURCE material, like writings from Muhammad himself, or by his child bride, Aisha, or for example, this book:



Muhammad was a sinful person like you and me. We are all sinful people. He wasn't perfect.

Jesus lived a perfect life and died in our place to save us from our sins.

Jesus is the one who can save you. Muhammad can't save anyone. He made a lot of rules to follow, but even the most devout Muslims don't know for sure if they've done enough to get to paradise. None of us can do enough.

Acts 4:10-12

10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”


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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2017, 07:47:43 AM »
You haven't expressed any opinions other than you hate me and want me dead.

This is clearly and plainly false. You lie, again. Bad Christian.
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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2017, 08:18:32 AM »
Instead of going by what some uninformed people have to say


Hilarious!

So you consider those 16 historians/theologians who have spent years studying Islam and the biography of Muhammad as UNINFORMED while you, who have never studied the history of Arabia, who have no knowledge of what's happening in Islamic countries except through carefully selected YouTube videos, and who get your information about Muhammad from an anti-Islamic site (thereligionofpeace.com) as the INFORMED one?  Give me a break.

Your counter argument to considering the views of unbiased non-muslim historians/theologians is to label the whole lot of them as "uninformed" and to then promote a book about Muhammad which is again publicized in thereligionofpeace.com.  So who then, other than you, would you consider as "informed"?

Here are some more UNINFORMED famous personalities making statements about Islam and Muhammad:









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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #38 on: December 29, 2017, 04:33:23 PM »
Perhaps the greatest 10-minute summation of the international clash of cultures that is currently being foisted upon the west.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a16_1514563984
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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2018, 12:36:54 PM »
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This video proves just how uninformed/misinformed people like yourself can so easily be swayed by someone spouting baseless accusations against Islam.  But I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are posting this video out of your ignorance about Islam and would invite you to read the Qur'an and reach your own conclusions rather than listen to a 10-minute summation by someone with no credentials.
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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2018, 11:11:33 PM »
@FlyDude

This video proves just how uninformed/misinformed people like yourself can so easily be swayed by someone spouting baseless accusations against Islam.  But I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt that you are posting this video out of your ignorance about Islam and would invite you to read the Qur'an and reach your own conclusions rather than listen to a 10-minute summation by someone with no credentials.

Your reply proves what a bunch of whiny crybabies there are in the muslim world. Every time there is anything that even remotely transgresses (or in this case, merely disagrees with) Islam or its adherents there's a jihad or intifada, or at least a very weak and lame attack (such as calling me out as "ignorant/uninformed/misinformed" blah blah blah.

Let me know if there is anything in the video you disagree with, and why, if you wish to open discourse with me. For the rest of us, it's a fantastic summation of current trends. I don't really care if you like or agree with the video. I do.

I find it hilarious that the guy talking about "credentials" just finished posting a picture of a brain-damaged boxer (R.I.P.) as evidence for why Islam should be held with any esteem at all. Lol...

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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2018, 11:01:14 AM »
is FlyDude a real person or is babyshark just using another name now?
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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2018, 11:27:34 AM »
maybe but there's no shortage of reactionaries that love to screech on about islam as if they have a clue.
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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2018, 11:57:21 AM »
is FlyDude a real person or is babyshark just using another name now?

He a real player. But he is new to the server.

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Re: Undoing the Dis-Education of Millenials by law professor Adam J. MacLeod
« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2018, 01:31:33 PM »
Ohno not this thread again .... please GOD, ALLAH, BUDDAH, whoever... please don't let them start on this thread again :o