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Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« on: January 08, 2018, 03:17:32 PM »
How come you never go level 7 shields? Seems like it should hurt you in the long run but it doesnt (against other opponents that are lusted and level 7). Is it just a micro thing where you are regrouping during battle? I think the only time it seems to really disadvantage you was in games versus Viruz where he was capable of micro'ing/regrouping like you?
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Re: Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2018, 04:35:55 PM »
cause lust is imba, and i didnt lost cause it
i lost cause i wanted play long game where he is best, if u watched all games u should see one game where we were nib and i won in 5 mins?and lucky spots, whenever i got 6/8 he had 12/2 ^_^
http://occult.war2.ru/strategy/mechanics/bloodlust.php

Level 5 ogre with bloodlust attacks a level 5 knight: ((24 - 8) + 8 = 24. The ogre will do 12-24 damage per hit. That's 3.0 times as strong as the ogre without bloodlust.
12-24 "random dmg u can be lucky, your ogre will hit 24, u can be unlucky your ogre will git 12 ^_^
so
12-24
14-26
still random dmg will win
its not like in sc where marine  got "5dmg" and he will hit 5 dmg vs 0 armor

lvl 5 will be usefull in 12v2
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Re: Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2018, 11:17:21 PM »
its 12-24 vs 13-26, not 12-24 vs 14-26. ogres with lvl 2 shields are 8.3% stronger in this case (19.5 avg dmg divided by 18 avg dmg equals 1.0833)
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Re: Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2018, 12:38:16 PM »
This are still numbers, random dmg lvl 5 ogre Still can win vs 7 ogre

Many Times in 9v9 ogre is changing enemy ogre to hit and he is missing one attack
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Re: Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2018, 12:46:57 PM »
So are you saying that random damage outweighs the benefit of having max shield?? Because all else equal, a level 7 lusted ogre should defeat a lusted level 6 ogre right? 
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Re: Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2018, 01:31:54 PM »
Yes, many Times i won/lost,  i can do test latem if some1 want
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Re: Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2018, 02:58:08 PM »
Interesting..900/500 (especially the wood) is a lot to give up mid-game too so its interesting that it may not even be an advantage. Good to know.
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Re: Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2018, 03:57:33 PM »
Interesting..900/500 (especially the wood) is a lot to give up mid-game too so its interesting that it may not even be an advantage. Good to know.

if you think about 9 ogres vs 9 ogres battle, the expected value of your losses after one 9 vs 9 ogres oggrebattle, assuming you don't have lvl 2 shields and your opponent does, is:

gold:
9x800 - (9x800)x0,923
<=> 7200-7200x0.923
<=> 7200-6645,6 = 554.4

wood:
9x100 - 9x100x0.923
<=> 900-900x0.923
<=> 900-830,7 = 69.3

So the expected value of your expected losses after each 9 vs 9 ogre battle is apx 550 gold and 70 wood.
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Re: Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2018, 04:25:17 PM »
let us see after how many battles of 9 ogres vs 9 ogres will the shield upgrade have paid itself off.

first let's convert wood into gold. I do not have the numbers of wood and gold gathering speeds (at fortress phase of the game) therefore I cannot give exact factor - I used to have these numbers but I have lost my excel files. Let us go with an educated guess of factor of 2.2.

(900 + 500x2.2) / (550 + 70x2.2)
<=> (900 + 1100) / (550+154)
<=> 2000/704 = 2,840909090909091

So after 3 ogre battles of 9 vs 9 ogres your lvl 2 shield upgrade will have paid itself off.

Of course this is a very complicated topic and you need to balance your decisions in relation to every circumstance regarding your individual unique game (e.g.1: does your opponent have lvl 7 ogres or lvl 6 ogres, or e.g.2: can you yourself afford to get a temple of the damned plus 1-3 death knights plus the upgrades death and decay & haste).
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Re: Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2018, 06:18:47 PM »
sepi gets it. apparently you gotta be IT to get it
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Re: Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2018, 12:12:24 AM »
You forgot about place where ogre fight
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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2018, 12:18:58 AM »
you canna shove it right up uo ass
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2018, 12:20:08 AM »
you dumb sob u cant even play what isit warcraft1
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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2018, 12:21:32 AM »
i really forgot i am warcraft1
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Re: Question for U8t3ior2d2c3polastjedi....
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2018, 12:22:42 AM »
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