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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2018, 02:26:45 PM »
I dont often agree wth TK but he is absolutely correct. Self regulate the server, stop being little bitches. I hate smurfs so I boot them, hoping to do my small part in stopping smurfing. Ask TK ;P Sparkyboy
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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2018, 02:30:29 PM »
bullys i can relate.. i used to be a bully sometime i can still find traces of bullys in me i have 2 of them dogs that is... well i guess tolerating bullies is not right and i will stop tolerating them and i will give them a taste of their own medicine.. i can be the devil if need me be.. my double edge sword soars with no boundaries. i have let many arrows fly that i wish i can take back.. but it is what it is..... anyways can i practice what i preach is the bigger question.    :blank: >:D :-X
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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2018, 04:01:29 PM »
babyshark, your obsession with ripe makes you look stupid.  that was a guy who was threatening to go on a murder rampage, and we've seen even in the recent news w/ the florida school shooting how threats like that sometimes can be carried out, and your endlessly, endlessly stanning for a professed white supremacist potential murderer is disgusting.

First of all, I'd like to thank you for not calling me stupid. That would have been uncharitable, and we know how you are pro-charitableness. Saying it makes me look stupid implies the appearance and the reality aren't congruent. How very generous of you.

Second of all, you completely missed the point every time in every direction with everything having to do with Ripe. Trying to get a point into you is like trying to cut into a live fish with a wooden spoon.

I'm gonna go ahead and quote myself on Ripe:

I agree with Ripe's ban and support Blid's desire to have a cleaner, safer forum for everyone. I think people who are talking violence and murder should be curbed and given time to think about their behavior and hopefully calm down. I think he should be allowed to come back after a cool-down period and given a chance to explain himself and perhaps address his concerns in a more productive way, though.

Back to Ripe, though. I am all for admins stepping in when someone acts out of line. I do think, however, that it should be identified which rule he broke and refer to it publicly so there is awareness of any rules that may exist, and the rules should be enforced equally for everyone, rather than arbitrarily when someone "feels" that something is worse than others. Some people shouldn't be allowed to do what others aren't, based on personal emotional responses and interpretations of writers' motives.

I never at any time supported Ripe's conduct. I agreed with violent speech resulting in a ban.

What we didn't see is fairness, the same treatment for all people. Someone wrote against communists and liberals, so you protect your own group by silencing him, even when you saw the SS's of him saying he was just venting (like many do online) and had no intention to harm anyone in real life. You won't give others the same kind of protection, even when it's not a general statement against a group, but a target at a specific individual like death wishes or someone who has expressed to you that the harassment is going too far. And you won't give others the same kind of punishment, even when identical words are used.

Others have carte blanche to spam violent speech all they want. THAT is the issue I had, not an issue with a ban being carried out against an inappropriately behaved user.

The OTHER point you missed regarding Ripe, again not defending his behavior, was that you issued a ban in response to bad behavior. If someone else wants a ban for bad behavior, you call it "revenge". The point is that carrying out discipline is not revenge when you are the "leader" and it's your job or when you are appealing to the leaders to do their job.

lethal viruz hacked and the hacking rule on this server is old as time.

Lethal~Viruz has never hacked. The reason he was targetted was because he as a perceived "newb" won against someone who couldn't emotionally handle losing, who also verbally harassed him until he was agitated. The victim of harassment of a hostile smurfer got banned and defamed. He happens to be actually an awesome person, kind and fun and helpful and friendly (unlike the vast majority of players on W2 that are slimy dirtbags). And yes, I took revenge because justice couldn't be found. And no, I don't feel bad about it. No one else was lifting a finger to stop bad behavior that had been going on for 16+ years. W2 lost a good guy when Lethal~Viruz left. And yes, there are some people who think I should be murdered or go to hell for that or be spammed with hate during tournaments that I'm playing in or who publicly attack my real life family who get thumbs up from their followers for attacking me, and more recently speaking wicked lies about people they've seen me playing W2 with in the past and making real life threats against my family. There are some truly disgusting people playing W2. Lethal~Viruz was one of the good ones.

I am willing to take the abuse and I am willing to take any ban of any length, even permanent, to stand up for people who are worth standing up for.

As long as the community leaders embrace toxic behavior and protect bullies, a lot of the decent people why try out W2 will leave. You aren't sitting at 30 users or less many evenings because the game W2 isn't awesome. It's because the people are gross.

I stay because there are still cool people to play with. If there were such a thing as a restraining order to keep the nasty pile of filth confined to their own corner to wallow in each others' putrid excretions, that would be amazing. Normal people don't want to breathe those fumes.

The SS rule is also carried out haphazardly according to the whims of those who bow to the most vile users as long as their skill level at a video game is up there.

believe it or not, the community never wanted rules against being mean.  a poll we held about 3 years ago found the following:
Insulting should cause nothing
Offensive language should cause nothing
Defaming and baseless accusations should cause nothing


Yeah, and rapists don't want laws against rape, murderers don't want laws against murder. Shocker.

The W2 community is formed up by a majority of scumbags. This is true. However, this user group is neither a representative of real life populations, nor are their opinions that they should be allowed to harm others with toxic behavior the ultimate basis for human conduct.

Using similar nicks/clantags and impersonating should cause muting

Off with their heads.

that's not like someone refusing a ss, which always has had a defined outcome,

D@ta had no repercussions for failing to post even when proper protocol was followed.

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3528.0.html#quickreply

There is no consistency. It goes back to who is the one asking for the SS and how much power they hold over the admin group.


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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2018, 04:21:51 PM »
I dont often agree wth TK but he is absolutely correct. Self regulate the server, stop being little bitches. I hate smurfs so I boot them, hoping to do my small part in stopping smurfing. Ask TK ;P Sparkyboy




The self-regulation is going really well!

Of course the bullies are going to want bully-regulation.


And tk's post makes absolutely no sense in the light of the fact that he has made 300 threads whining about how bad everything is and how awful people are, and here he has banned someone for intentional discing:

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,194.msg1773.html#msg1773

Then flakes and changes his mind.

People shouldn't have to type /ignore or /squelch every time they reconnect or join a game because other users need the "right" to be toxic and spam people with perverted crap or hate crap.

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,194.msg1773.html#msg1773

iL makes the point in the above thread that people can rejoin on a new aka over and over and make names like [ui[8]~iqwoqw or things that are hard to type out during a game.

Some people start up the aggravated discourse or continue it with others, but GoodShep is a nice person and doesn't deserve this crap.


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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2018, 04:22:32 PM »
Do you know lethal~viruz in real life?  You keep bringing him up over and over.
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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2018, 04:26:28 PM »
Do you know lethal~viruz in real life?  You keep bringing him up over and over.

He's my husband. Duh.
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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2018, 04:44:05 PM »
Okay well I’m sry on behalf of the admin team we offended you by banning your husband.

Your SS request from d@ta was ignored by me because you posted it in the moderated section. I didn’t notice it until you made a fake SS request from swift. After which it made little sence to pursue.
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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2018, 04:54:17 PM »
It looks like Mouse was planning to handle it, so it wasn't intentionally ignored.
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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2018, 05:06:26 PM »
^^that to
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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2018, 05:06:58 PM »
Okay well I’m sry on behalf of the admin team we offended you by banning your husband.

Do you mean it?

I don't even necessarily think he shouldn't have been banned for missing SS, only that there are people who deserve a ban a lot more for bad behavior going on for years (including the angry smurfer who enraged from losing to him) and that the rules should be upheld consistently for all players.
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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2018, 06:41:20 PM »
Lethal Viruz deserved the ban for failing to produce a screenshot.  That is exactly what is fair because the rules on that are clear.  Your fight is with how they allow Yamon to continuously be a dickbag to the community while having no redeeming qualities.  Numerous people have complained about Yamon both on the server, on the forums, on discord or whatever voice app is popular at the time and then they forget because Yamon likes to play them for fools and he'll go silent for a while. 

I think that you do more harm to LethalViruz's credibility by constantly reminding everyone he is a hacker.  It probably isn't your intention but every time you talk about it you reset the timer in people's heads for forgetting about it.  At this point, he'll be lucky to be able to use that name to play on without being called a hacker all the time.  Think about the fact that Teaboy rarely gets talked about now and he was one of the most unrepentant hackers that .ru has seen.  He just decided to go silent on the issue and it 97% went away for him.  You are stealing that ability from your so called friend by championing a cause that no one will ever see eye to eye with you about.  It's like you rip the stitches right out of his reputation to prove that there is a cut and just how deep it went.  In the mind of legit players such as myself, no screenshot and no post is a hacker conviction.  Even when paperboy is rage asking for screenshots, most of us take them to avoid this type of situation.

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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2018, 07:15:39 PM »
I typed out this big long thing. Then erased it.

I don't wanna hurt you. I always liked you.

Your leader sent the right person to shut me up.
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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2018, 07:15:47 PM »
Do I feel bad for giving lethal a 3 day ban? No.
But I am apologizing to you for it because he was one of your family members so naturally you will feel defensive and angry about it.

You should understand this is a video game. Players do routinely play intoxicated and can be douchbags at times.
I am well aware that TGS quit war2 for a month because he got tired of being harassed by Leeroy. Upon TGS’s return recently I told him next time something like that happened to tell me and not just quit. Which he subsequently did after Leeroy kept at it. I spoke to leeroy at length and played a couple games with him, he understands the situation and that he can’t keep bombarding TGS endlessly and unprovoked. I do believe Leeroy has stopped and if he doesn’t he will get a ban plain and simple.

Realize myself, Blid, and mouse will always look for as many excuses not to ban someone before actually banning someone.
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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2018, 02:39:05 AM »
People shouldn't have to type /ignore or /squelch every time they reconnect or join a game

This is a very important point. When you don't have the squelch/ignore functioning properly, it is difficult to aim for bottom-up (individual level) solutions instead of top-down (admin level solutions). If the squelch/ignore function were to be improved, a lot of admin complaint threads would probably stop mushrooming (Edit - 'mushrooming' definition: to appear like mushrooms in rain).

There is no consistency.

I think there is consistency on how the admins consistently give preferential treatment to ingroup members and harsh treatment to outgroup members. Blatant power plays.

What we didn't see is fairness, the same treatment for all people.
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Re: Why Tora Tolerates Bullies
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2018, 07:14:22 AM »
Had a really good chicken kebab yesterday. It was so yummy.

mmmm. Kebab  ^-^