babyshark, your obsession with ripe makes you look stupid. that was a guy who was threatening to go on a murder rampage, and we've seen even in the recent news w/ the florida school shooting how threats like that sometimes can be carried out, and your endlessly, endlessly stanning for a professed white supremacist potential murderer is disgusting.
First of all, I'd like to thank you for not calling me stupid. That would have been uncharitable, and we know how you are pro-charitableness. Saying it makes me look stupid implies the appearance and the reality aren't congruent. How very generous of you.
Second of all, you completely missed the point every time in every direction with everything having to do with Ripe. Trying to get a point into you is like trying to cut into a live fish with a wooden spoon.
I'm gonna go ahead and quote myself on Ripe:
I agree with Ripe's ban and support Blid's desire to have a cleaner, safer forum for everyone. I think people who are talking violence and murder should be curbed and given time to think about their behavior and hopefully calm down. I think he should be allowed to come back after a cool-down period and given a chance to explain himself and perhaps address his concerns in a more productive way, though.
Back to Ripe, though. I am all for admins stepping in when someone acts out of line. I do think, however, that it should be identified which rule he broke and refer to it publicly so there is awareness of any rules that may exist, and the rules should be enforced equally for everyone, rather than arbitrarily when someone "feels" that something is worse than others. Some people shouldn't be allowed to do what others aren't, based on personal emotional responses and interpretations of writers' motives.
I never at any time supported Ripe's conduct. I agreed with violent speech resulting in a ban.
What we didn't see is fairness, the same treatment for all people. Someone wrote against communists and liberals, so you protect your own group by silencing him, even when you saw the SS's of him saying he was just venting (like many do online) and had no intention to harm anyone in real life. You won't give others the same kind of protection, even when it's not a general statement against a group, but a target at a specific individual like death wishes or someone who has expressed to you that the harassment is going too far. And you won't give others the same kind of punishment, even when identical words are used.
Others have carte blanche to spam violent speech all they want. THAT is the issue I had, not an issue with a ban being carried out against an inappropriately behaved user.
The OTHER point you missed regarding Ripe, again not defending his behavior, was that you issued a ban in response to bad behavior. If someone else wants a ban for bad behavior, you call it "revenge". The point is that carrying out discipline is not revenge when you are the "leader" and it's your job or when you are appealing to the leaders to do their job.
lethal viruz hacked and the hacking rule on this server is old as time.
Lethal~Viruz has never hacked. The reason he was targetted was because he as a perceived "newb" won against someone who couldn't emotionally handle losing, who also verbally harassed him until he was agitated. The victim of harassment of a hostile smurfer got banned and defamed. He happens to be actually an awesome person, kind and fun and helpful and friendly (unlike the vast majority of players on W2 that are slimy dirtbags). And yes, I took revenge because justice couldn't be found. And no, I don't feel bad about it. No one else was lifting a finger to stop bad behavior that had been going on for 16+ years. W2 lost a good guy when Lethal~Viruz left. And yes, there are some people who think I should be murdered or go to hell for that or be spammed with hate during tournaments that I'm playing in or who publicly attack my real life family who get thumbs up from their followers for attacking me, and more recently speaking wicked lies about people they've seen me playing W2 with in the past and making real life threats against my family. There are some truly disgusting people playing W2. Lethal~Viruz was one of the good ones.
I am willing to take the abuse and I am willing to take any ban of any length, even permanent, to stand up for people who are worth standing up for.
As long as the community leaders embrace toxic behavior and protect bullies, a lot of the decent people why try out W2 will leave. You aren't sitting at 30 users or less many evenings because the game W2 isn't awesome. It's because the people are gross.
I stay because there are still cool people to play with. If there were such a thing as a restraining order to keep the nasty pile of filth confined to their own corner to wallow in each others' putrid excretions, that would be amazing. Normal people don't want to breathe those fumes.
The SS rule is also carried out haphazardly according to the whims of those who bow to the most vile users as long as their skill level at a video game is up there.
believe it or not, the community never wanted rules against being mean. a poll we held about 3 years ago found the following:
Insulting should cause nothing
Offensive language should cause nothing
Defaming and baseless accusations should cause nothing
Yeah, and rapists don't want laws against rape, murderers don't want laws against murder. Shocker.
The W2 community is formed up by a majority of scumbags. This is true. However, this user group is neither a representative of real life populations, nor are their opinions that they should be allowed to harm others with toxic behavior the ultimate basis for human conduct.
Using similar nicks/clantags and impersonating should cause muting
Off with their heads.
that's not like someone refusing a ss, which always has had a defined outcome,
D@ta had no repercussions for failing to post even when proper protocol was followed.http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3528.0.html#quickreply
There is no consistency. It goes back to who is the one asking for the SS and how much power they hold over the admin group.