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Is communism good or bad?
« on: April 25, 2018, 12:55:19 AM »
Communism is a utopian philosophy, so in theory it is really quite good.  The ultimate goal of communism is to have a society where all resources are shared equally based on need, property is all owned collectively, there is no state, and work is done based on personal desire rather than economic need.  To read Marx and Engels it is difficult to imagine a person that would not want to live in the world they describe as the end Communist state. 
 
It seems that in reality the problem with Communism is that in order to get to the utopic end we must first pass through a time where the state has incredible authority and control (in theory this is necessary in order to set the foundation for the dissolution of private property and the state itself).  So far, no state has actually acheived Marx's described communism because no government has been able or willing to give up that control and power that is required during the interloping period; subsequently, rather than having ever seen a communist society we have only witnessed socialist authoritarian regimes that pass themselves off as communist, which in practice seems to have been an undesirable state of affairs for many.
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2018, 01:36:50 AM »
Before you can decide whether something is good or bad, you need to decide what defines the terms good and bad, and where that standard comes from.

If personal opinion defines good and bad, then the terms become entirely meaningless. If there is a higher standard of ultimate good or bad outside of human opinion, only then do those terms actually mean anything other than "I like" or "I don't like".
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2018, 02:15:39 AM »
Good question.... Wrong question... As an idea maybe it's not so bad. But how Bs said depends of what is good and what is bad. In my country we had comunism, and at least here it wasn't good.

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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2018, 09:21:06 AM »
Short answer: it's a nice idea, but it doesn't work.

It doesn't work because humans are basically selfish creatures. In general terms, there is a real advantage to abusing power when in a position of trust, so the people who are untrustworthy have an advantage and are more successful at obtaining/advancing in positions of power, compared to someone who is adhering to altruistic ideals.

Capitalism is an inherantly corrupt system which is why it works better for our inherantly corrupt species.

Sad but true. Not saying I like it that way.  :blank:
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2018, 11:07:31 AM »
"Communism is a utopian philosophy"

immediately off to a bad start.
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2018, 01:06:53 PM »
"Economic equality is socialism, that is to say, a system by which a decent livelihood is secured for all. This does not mean identical wages for one and all, but it does mean sufficient subsistence for one and all to enjoy the inalienable right to the pursuit of happiness. In short, socialism is a society where some have more, some have less, but there are no have nots, a system that could be called nonegalitarian equality. That is the society Marx predicted would follow capitalism because capitalism was not and is not capable of creating a 'decent livelihood' for all. Capitalism gives neither political nor economic equality to the people. The number of have-nots in all capitalist societies is quite high -- and these are both economic and political have-nots."

Vladimir Pozner.


I think this is a decent quote dispelling some liberal myths.
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2018, 08:25:59 PM »
Good
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2018, 01:28:53 PM »
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2018, 01:52:49 PM »
there was a famine not a genocide and it's not relevant to communism.
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2018, 01:54:46 PM »
^^You can’t write off the Holodomer as propaganda.
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2018, 02:16:32 PM »
Yes you can

Even the name itself was invented decades later to invite comparisons to the holocaust, as propaganda
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2018, 02:47:06 PM »
Some people are not in close contact with reality.

They are not going to be convinced by historical or scientific evidence or logic. That doesn't leave much to work with.

Communism may be a nice idea, like flying unicorns and happily ever after fairy tales, but doesn't really work in the real world.

People are evil and selfish. People look out for themselves. People will step on other people to get ahead. A "let's all just share and get along and be equal" plan simply doesn't work. Someone has to be in charge. And when communists have been in charge historically, freedom and value of human life have disappeared quickly.

There is no perfect system. Even if there were, evil people would not be able to carry it out perfectly.
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2018, 04:47:19 PM »
Some people are not in close contact with reality.
and you're a good example of one of those people.
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2018, 05:21:50 PM »
You put someone like JOSEPH STALIN or FIDEL CASTRO in charge and they'll make sure all the people have homes and food and jobs  :-*
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2018, 09:37:51 PM »
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