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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2018, 11:08:06 AM »
what does being white have to do with anything?

I'm trying to understand your extremist stance on sociology. I've been reading your posts for years now and you seem to feel guilt toward the treatment of minorities in America.

since the fall of the soviet union and the subsequent triumphant hegemony of capitalism i think it's gotten worse with the rich being ever richer and the neglected poor falling further behind.  in the global south capitalism just keeps sucking like the vampire it is!

I wouldn't say it's gotten a lot worse.
The biggest change with the fall of communism in the east would probably be American manufacturers moving there operations overseas to cut costs.

Could there be improvements to the economically displaced here in America, sure. There have been a lot of improvements across the globe since the turn of the 20th century. The fact we debating this topic on a public internet forum is one of the thousands of evidences of this.

America is not free of committing war crimes as evidenced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guant%C3%A1namo_Bay
However there is no one person in charge here in America. Stalin was someone who ruled Russia for over 30 years.

Stalin was someone who signed a decree to the effect that all Russian soldiers who allowed themselves to be taken prisoner were to be considered traitors and enemies of the state. They and their entire families were subject to exile, imprisonment or execution. Joseph Stalin was therefore, by his own decree, legally subject to execution for treason when his son was taken prisoner.
But hey one man's terrorist is another person's freedom fighter right?
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2018, 11:09:54 AM »
the united states still has an embargo on cuba, for no reason, except that cuba uses a different economic system that gives all their people health care and housing, which is bad(?)

Cuba had become a communist dictatorship once Fidel Castro took over the country. The US government discovered in 1962 that it was providing a military base to the Soviet Union and that a lot of missiles were on the way to get installed there. (Though NATO did have a huge number of missiles in West Europe aimed at the USSR.)
The US government threatened a nuclear attack if those missiles were installed, and slapped greater sanctions on Cuba. The missile carrying ships were turned back, the few already in place were un-installed and sent back, but the sanctions remained since Castro was always anti-America.


not sure how Cuba defending itself is a bad thing, go fuck yourself dimwit.

You do realize you are an American citizen and a nuclear attack launched from communist Cuba in the 1960s would have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens.
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2018, 11:24:22 AM »
Chinese communists murdered 38,7 million people. This number doesn't take into account deaths caused by forced labour.

27 million people were estimated to have died in prisons and labor camps during Mao Zedong's rule.

also famine killed 27 million people between years 1959 and 1963.

Also Chinese Nationalists murdered 10,2 million. The nationalists "ideological sources including traditional Chinese thinking, American progressivism, Marxism, and Russian ethnological thought"

Total so far: 102,9 million

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE2.HTM
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/CHINA.TAB1.2.GIF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_nationalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2018, 11:26:24 AM »
one could easily write a sequel to it about the prison industrial complex in the USA today, which exists for far more nefarious purposes than defending socialism and equality, ie it exists to enforce racism and the riches of the fuckers in their private gated communities

I wouldn't go so far as to say that's why it exists.
Prison is a business in America.
The average cost of incarcerating an American prisoner varies from state to state. Some states, like Indiana have managed to keep prices low at around $14,000 per inmate. While states like New York pay around $60,000 to keep its citizens behind bars. The costs of running the American prison system is expensive and has become increasingly so despite public opposition.

The fact we have privately owned for profit prisons in America is disturbing. Hopefully in the next 20-30 years as American attitudes change, reforms to the American prison system will come.
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2018, 11:27:04 AM »
stalins soldiers raped german women breaking martial law.

that was bad; extreme hatred of nazi filth and nazi war crimes in russia broke soviet soldier's minds and they went on a rampage. still unrelated to communism though.
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2018, 11:28:47 AM »
the united states still has an embargo on cuba, for no reason, except that cuba uses a different economic system that gives all their people health care and housing, which is bad(?)

Cuba had become a communist dictatorship once Fidel Castro took over the country. The US government discovered in 1962 that it was providing a military base to the Soviet Union and that a lot of missiles were on the way to get installed there. (Though NATO did have a huge number of missiles in West Europe aimed at the USSR.)
The US government threatened a nuclear attack if those missiles were installed, and slapped greater sanctions on Cuba. The missile carrying ships were turned back, the few already in place were un-installed and sent back, but the sanctions remained since Castro was always anti-America.


not sure how Cuba defending itself is a bad thing, go fuck yourself dimwit.

You do realize you are an American citizen and a nuclear attack launched from communist Cuba in the 1960s would have resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens.

you realize Cuba has a right to defend itself? you already acknowledged it yourself, usa had missiles pointed at the ussr far before the cuban incident.
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2018, 11:33:16 AM »
Here are the tactics that the neomarxists, radical left, far left, and social justice warriors use, among other people.

The Rules

1 - "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."

2 - "Never go outside the expertise of your people."

3 - "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."

4 - "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

5 - "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."

6 - "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

7 - "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."

8 - "Keep the pressure on."

9 - "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."

10 - "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."

11 - "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside"

12 - "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."

13 - "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals
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Re: Is communism good or bad?
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2018, 11:36:47 AM »
you realize Cuba has a right to defend itself? you already acknowledged it yourself, usa had missiles pointed at the ussr far before the cuban incident.

We are debating why America put sanctions on Cuba, I'm telling you why that is. Cuba allied itself with Soviet Union who attempted to use Cuba as a military base. Now that the Soviet Union has collapsed and Fidel died we are seeing an ease of sanctions on Cuba.
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« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2018, 11:39:35 AM »
Chinese communists murdered 38,7 million people. This number doesn't take into account deaths caused by forced labour.

27 million people were estimated to have died in prisons and labor camps during Mao Zedong's rule.

also famine killed 27 million people between years 1959 and 1963.

Also Chinese Nationalists murdered 10,2 million. The nationalists "ideological sources including traditional Chinese thinking, American progressivism, Marxism, and Russian ethnological thought"

Total so far: 102,9 million

https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE2.HTM
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/CHINA.TAB1.2.GIF
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_nationalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai


the numbers are dubious at best. 100 million dead?  China had one of the largest population growth's in its history during this time span you're talking about. doesn't add up. your death toll numbers are extremely exaggerated.
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« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2018, 11:44:20 AM »
during maos time chinas population stagnated at 400 million. after maos era the chinese population rapidly rose to 700 million.
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« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2018, 11:49:31 AM »
you realize Cuba has a right to defend itself? you already acknowledged it yourself, usa had missiles pointed at the ussr far before the cuban incident.

We are debating why America put sanctions on Cuba, I'm telling you why that is. Cuba allied itself with Soviet Union who attempted to use Cuba as a military base. Now that the Soviet Union has collapsed and Fidel died we are seeing an ease of sanctions on Cuba.
no america put sanctions on cuba because the cia failed a billion times to execute castro and they couldn't install a puppet and open up a market to pillage in cuba.
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« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2018, 11:53:47 AM »
no america put sanctions on cuba because the cia failed a billion times to execute castro and they couldn't install a puppet and open up a market to pillage in cuba.

You have been reading too many conspiracy novels and watching too much james bond.
Did America try to kill Fidel? Yes.
But they sanctioned Cuba due to it’s support of the Soviet Union who was at war with America. This is an inarguable fact.
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« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2018, 11:54:47 AM »
during maos time chinas population stagnated at 400 million


can you get anything accurate? Mao's China had well more than 400 million, China was already over 400 million before the 20th century began.
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« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2018, 11:58:45 AM »
no america put sanctions on cuba because the cia failed a billion times to execute castro and they couldn't install a puppet and open up a market to pillage in cuba.

You have been reading too many conspiracy novels and watching too much james bond.
Did America try to kill Fidel? Yes.
But they sanctioned Cuba due to it’s support of the Soviet Union who was at war with America. This is an inarguable fact.
you're dumb. if the sole reason for the embargo was the soviet union, the embargo wouldn't still be in effect today.