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best player of all time

dethwlkr
azteca
ash
ganzthelegend
viruz
scrubbo
nerzyman
tanthalas
creed
warangel
tillerman
incinerate
destroy
lullaby
axolotl
dim-mack
steve
spb
backlash
kanuks
ltfan
mcadder
camel-
shotgun
xtic-fury
tabac[man]
tdawg
kith-kanin
yauyau
nex-
^nail~sol^
ws-
alt attack
rat
ion7
u8t3io3p
patton
stalin
braviet
player
paperboy
thumb$
khb
yah`mon
jesk

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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #90 on: May 17, 2018, 02:05:14 PM »
the game is growing all the time, players are getting better, you can not compare the players from 2000 and from 2010, if any of you  played in SC:BW knew that in Match up  PVZ  protoss never played FE, then they start doing fast expand(12 probes 1 forge 2 cannons) in 2018 now they are doing 1 cannon 1 getway and rush zerg with fe

I watched few replays "top players" and they made MANY mistakes, now players tier3 are not doing basic mistakes, they were good few years ago, ofc they could be now also but we will never know this

For example braviet, he is playing all the time,and he still dont know how to make hall for best mining gold from mine

this questionnaire is bad












P.S. alf is nup
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #91 on: May 18, 2018, 09:08:36 AM »
WTH? Why isn't my name on this list?

How are all devoted fans going to vote for me now?
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #92 on: May 18, 2018, 11:37:02 AM »
Some really terrible players on that list
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #93 on: May 18, 2018, 01:57:22 PM »
the game is growing all the time, players are getting better, you can not compare the players from 2000 and from 2010, if any of you  played in SC:BW knew that in Match up  PVZ  protoss never played FE, then they start doing fast expand(12 probes 1 forge 2 cannons) in 2018 now they are doing 1 cannon 1 getway and rush zerg with fe

I watched few replays "top players" and they made MANY mistakes, now players tier3 are not doing basic mistakes, they were good few years ago, ofc they could be now also but we will never know this

For example braviet, he is playing all the time,and he still dont know how to make hall for best mining gold from mine

this questionnaire is bad












P.S. alf is nup


Players may be getting better relative to how good they were, but you're right, you cannot compare to the past. The players and games in war2 from 98-2003 were far superior to the games of today.

I compare my experience in playing in those eras with watching numerous replays from your tournaments in the last year, and playing in the last month.

No one is doing anything new or special that wasn't done before. I've been trying very hard to find any improvements in tactics from anyone's game, but I haven't seen any.

Until I do I will keep my opinion as is.

The popular strategy among many of you, this 14-16 peon hold... that gets lust with 6 or 7 ogres. You know what we called this shit 15 years ago? Archy lust. Cuz Arch would get rekt right after his 6 ogre lust attack failed.

The starcraft strategy you're talking about.. tactics come and go, that's all the meta game. Once zerg starts modifying their opening, that opening won't be as good, it adds nothing to your point because it proves nothing.

The War2 metagame in 1s and team games has always been changing, and back and forth to old ones. That's just a reflection of the players creativity, or lack thereof.

And when referencing the current crop of players that I've played with, except for maybe braviet and paperboy, lack there of.
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #94 on: May 18, 2018, 03:51:28 PM »
The popular strategy doesnt go hold with so few peons... it's more like 17-21
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #95 on: May 18, 2018, 04:03:45 PM »
http://occult.war2.ru/replays/toc.php

one of these replays i remember where player at 5 didnt make wall and farm next to mine for better mining, so his peons sometimes had 5 square to hall with gold. "champions  2003", its a HUGE mistake
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #96 on: May 18, 2018, 04:39:14 PM »
If that's what you think a huge mistake is, then my entire previous statement is validated by you.
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #97 on: May 18, 2018, 04:40:11 PM »
The popular strategy doesnt go hold with so few peons... it's more like 17-21


Well, I don't know what 'popular strategy' is, or who you're referring to. My reference is to actual games played by 'top current players' going hold at 13, 14, 15 peons game after game.
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #98 on: May 18, 2018, 05:39:32 PM »
the game is growing all the time, players are getting better, you can not compare the players from 2000 and from 2010, if any of you  played in SC:BW knew that in Match up  PVZ  protoss never played FE, then they start doing fast expand(12 probes 1 forge 2 cannons) in 2018 now they are doing 1 cannon 1 getway and rush zerg with fe

I watched few replays "top players" and they made MANY mistakes, now players tier3 are not doing basic mistakes, they were good few years ago, ofc they could be now also but we will never know this

For example braviet, he is playing all the time,and he still dont know how to make hall for best mining gold from mine

this questionnaire is bad












P.S. alf is nup

Really even though it was called "Tournament of Champions" I think it was just any average player they could round up. Yeah there were some good players in that but just as many ok. I tried to do a ToC that was actually made of up of champions as a invitational but it failed to draw a crowd. Could have been awesome.
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #99 on: May 19, 2018, 01:01:51 AM »
If that's what you think a huge mistake is, then my entire previous statement is validated by you.

so, what in your opinion is huge mistake? forgot lust? upg lust?
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #100 on: May 19, 2018, 05:01:15 AM »
I see this a lot from bad players, using lumber mill peons to rep an altar or mound for example, I would call that a major issue that has impact that weak players do.
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #101 on: May 19, 2018, 07:51:18 AM »
How you do keep record to peon who build lumber mill? I loose knowing which peon has build lumber mill therefore maybe sometimes I use lumber mill peons for rep alter. Why using alter repair from lumber mill builder peon is bad?
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #102 on: May 19, 2018, 11:11:47 AM »
I see this a lot from bad players, using lumber mill peons to rep an altar or mound for example, I would call that a major issue that has impact that weak players do.

ofc but if player see that his peons just start cut tree (i would say first 5 hits) its not mistake, but if he move peon with "49" hits ofc its mistake
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #103 on: May 19, 2018, 11:57:02 AM »
Yeah, I mean when someone puts an altar down next to their wood line, then grabs all their wood peons. Really fucks your wood and at a critical point, unless your resources were out of control already :)
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Re: best warcraft 2 player of all time
« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2018, 07:17:25 AM »
List of semi-active players who can 10-0 KHB without a warm up.
Alf, u8, Kyle, Viruz, Shotgun, Braviet, Lone

Judging by your current level of play I'm certain you do not even have the understanding of the game which you may have had a decade ago. Hence you cannot compare the past to the present.

Besides when you are looking for the differences in what people do, stop counting peons. It's so not about that. ;)

I like players with ego, but I honestly have no idea where yours is coming from. Anyway I hope you'll play more and become remotely challenging until around July so we can have some fun!