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What Jordan Peterson does that most people don't
« on: June 10, 2018, 10:20:57 AM »
Jordan Peterson thinks.

Jordan Peterson learns.

Jordan Peterson isn't arrogant or rude. He discusses issues instead of attacking individuals.

Jordan Peterson cares about helping people.

He's not right about everything, but he is trying to bring common sense and age-old wisdom back to a country in crisis.

Calling someone a "joke" or a "retard" or some other hollow defamatory label does not illuminate issues, increase kindess in the world, increase understanding, or help anything.

Most people today are riding the liberal media wave down the gutter and seem entitely incapable or unwilling to consider that perhaps "new truth" after 6000 years of human history simply isn't truth at all.

There are two genders. This is a biological fact.

Men and women produce babies and carry on the human race.

Children do best when raised by their biological mother and father who are married to each other.

Fathers protect and provide and mothers bear, nurse, and nurture the children.

Everything that veers away from the norms and design from the beginning of creation is inferior to the perfect design and creates pain and brokenness.

Even I don't agree with everything Peterson says, but I certainly acknowledge he has a lot of useful things to say about a lot of topics.

Instead of calling someone a name, discuss the issues. Name calling only shows that the name caller is immature and upset and is unable to address issues in a way that demonstrates ability to think and ability to respect other human beings.
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Re: What Jordan Peterson does that most people don't
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2018, 10:29:45 AM »
Jordan Peterson thinks.

Jordan Peterson learns.

Jordan Peterson isn't arrogant or rude. He discusses issues instead of attacking individuals.

Jordan Peterson cares about helping people.

he literally doesn't do any of these things. he attacks people all the time. he says marxists aren't human. he doesn't even know what marxism is, probably because he doesn't care to learn. he's a maniac who hates women and trans people. he says the gulag archipelago is his favourite book (lol) written by a rabid anti-Semite. the alt-right love the guy for a reason.
i don't know what your malfunction is that makes you think the opposite of reality, maybe you're just trolling.
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Re: What Jordan Peterson does that most people don't
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2018, 02:02:38 PM »
he literally doesn't do any of these things. he attacks people all the time. he says marxists aren't human. he doesn't even know what marxism is, probably because he doesn't care to learn. he's a maniac who hates women and trans people. he says the gulag archipelago is his favourite book (lol) written by a rabid anti-Semite. the alt-right love the guy for a reason.
i don't know what your malfunction is that makes you think the opposite of reality, maybe you're just trolling.

Color Code:
Red: unfounded, no evidence provided
Orange: vacuous insult
Green: true statement

You need to go deeper than this if you want to convince someone of something, and provide actual examples (video links of the particular speech you're referring to, articles he wrote).

I haven't listened to a ton of his lectures, but from what I've heard, he does not come across at all as a hateful person and as a woman I feel zero hate from him towards women. I also don't believe he hates people who are confused about their gender. You have actually been a lot more hateful to me and other users in this forum than I have ever seen Peterson act towards anyone.

You throw the term hate around a lot, but what does it actually mean? I would say it means a deep dislike to the point of desiring to hurt or injure another person.

The Google dictionary definition is here:

hate
hāt/
verb
verb: hate; 3rd person present: hates; past tense: hated; past participle: hated; gerund or present participle: hating
    1.
    feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone)

You definitely hate a lot of people by your speech, like anyone who has a different viewpoint than you do.

Why is it okay for you to hate, and not for others (assuming that someone else besides only you actually did hate or dislike someone)?

You seem to imply that "hate" is bad, but it doesn't follow your worldview basis that it should be. If human life is a meaningless random accident, how can a meaningless randomly produced emotion or even accompanying actions that deliberately tear another person down or hurt them be wrong or bad or something for you to look down on?

Hate being bad follows the Christian worldview because God says to love other people, even your enemies. It's a really hard, basically impossible command to keep, to love someone who wants to kill you, but it's the will of God that people love each other and treat each other with kindness.

Love does not always look like kindness, though. Sometimes you can upset people with love. If a parent takes a sharp knife away from a little kid, the little kid might scream, cry, throw a fit, and be very unhappy. The parent is acting in love to protect the child, because sometimes people of any age can want things that are harmful.

If someone is confused about reality (ie. you are a human being but think you are a cat, or you have a penis and testicles but think you are a woman), it is not in the confused person's best interests to give them a knife. The best thing to do is to take away the knife (try to help cure the underlying issues that led to the confusion), even if the person has a screaming fit of rage in response.

Wanting someone's good does not always mean giving them what they want.

The confused, angry people are the ones who are trying to force their confusion on everyone else, and make it criminal and illegal to state the reality that you can't erase your genes and that your genes carry your biological and real gender, regardless of how you feel, dress, or how badly you mutilate your body. There are rare cases where the gender confusion makes sense based on biology from faulty genes (ie. genetic males whose male parts did not form normally due to genetic defects). These people should be surgically corrected to the genetic, biological gender and helped to be what they really are genetically.

A problem that I've seen Peterson address that he is absolutely right to be concerned about is the enormous attack on free speech in Canada from the sexually deviant community who want it to be illegal for anyone to call their perversion what it is, wrong, unhealthy, and damaging.

The Islamists also want to squelch free speech in Canada, and laws are being passed that are moving the country away from a peaceful, free country to an evil tyranny where human life has no value.

The left want to constantly attack the right for saying things that offend them (like biological, scientific truths: humans come in male and female and the male body was designed to reproduce with the female body), but they are perfectly comfortable calling the other side all kinds of nasty names and being actually truly supremely hateful, showing how little they care about offending anyone while hypocritically pretending to be "sensitive".

Why don't you go ahead and link a video or article from Peterson where he is showing hate to women and gender-confused people. I'm interested to see it.
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Re: What Jordan Peterson does that most people don't
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2018, 02:52:04 PM »
Is the author of the Gulag Archipelago an anti-Semite?

Alexander Solzhenitsyn said in an interview:

"My book was directed to empathise with the thoughts, feelings and the psychology of the Jews - their spiritual component," he said. "I have never made general conclusions about a people."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/25/russia.books

I don't see any evidence that he is an anti-Semite or hates all Jews.

I don't think he ever had rabies either.
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2018, 04:17:02 PM »
what are you lazy or disingenuous?

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In 2001, however, Solzhenitsyn published a two-volume work on the history of Russian-Jewish relations (Two Hundred Years Together 2001, 2002).[80] A bestseller in Russia, the book triggered renewed accusations of anti-Semitism.[81][82][83][84] Similarities between Two Hundred Years Together and an anti-Semitic essay titled "Jews in the USSR and in the Future Russia", attributed to Solzhenitsyn, has led to inference that he stands behind the anti-Semitic passages. Solzhenitsyn himself claims that the essay consists of manuscripts stolen from him, and then manipulated, forty years ago.[84][85] However, according to the historian Semyon Reznik, textological analyses have proven Solzhenitsyn's authorship.[86]

like most rabid anti-communists, he is a fascist sympathizer.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2018, 04:25:22 PM »
he literally doesn't do any of these things. he attacks people all the time. he says marxists aren't human. he doesn't even know what marxism is, probably because he doesn't care to learn. he's a maniac who hates women and trans people. he says the gulag archipelago is his favourite book (lol) written by a rabid anti-Semite. the alt-right love the guy for a reason.
i don't know what your malfunction is that makes you think the opposite of reality, maybe you're just trolling.

Color Code:
Red: unfounded, no evidence provided
Orange: vacuous insult
Green: true statement

You need to go deeper than this if you want to convince someone of something, and provide actual examples (video links of the particular speech you're referring to, articles he wrote).

I haven't listened to a ton of his lectures, but from what I've heard, he does not come across at all as a hateful person and as a woman I feel zero hate from him towards women. I also don't believe he hates people who are confused about their gender. You have actually been a lot more hateful to me and other users in this forum than I have ever seen Peterson act towards anyone.

You throw the term hate around a lot, but what does it actually mean? I would say it means a deep dislike to the point of desiring to hurt or injure another person.

The Google dictionary definition is here:

hate
hāt/
verb
verb: hate; 3rd person present: hates; past tense: hated; past participle: hated; gerund or present participle: hating
    1.
    feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone)

You definitely hate a lot of people by your speech, like anyone who has a different viewpoint than you do.

Why is it okay for you to hate, and not for others (assuming that someone else besides only you actually did hate or dislike someone)?

You seem to imply that "hate" is bad, but it doesn't follow your worldview basis that it should be. If human life is a meaningless random accident, how can a meaningless randomly produced emotion or even accompanying actions that deliberately tear another person down or hurt them be wrong or bad or something for you to look down on?

Hate being bad follows the Christian worldview because God says to love other people, even your enemies. It's a really hard, basically impossible command to keep, to love someone who wants to kill you, but it's the will of God that people love each other and treat each other with kindness.

Love does not always look like kindness, though. Sometimes you can upset people with love. If a parent takes a sharp knife away from a little kid, the little kid might scream, cry, throw a fit, and be very unhappy. The parent is acting in love to protect the child, because sometimes people of any age can want things that are harmful.

If someone is confused about reality (ie. you are a human being but think you are a cat, or you have a penis and testicles but think you are a woman), it is not in the confused person's best interests to give them a knife. The best thing to do is to take away the knife (try to help cure the underlying issues that led to the confusion), even if the person has a screaming fit of rage in response.

Wanting someone's good does not always mean giving them what they want.

The confused, angry people are the ones who are trying to force their confusion on everyone else, and make it criminal and illegal to state the reality that you can't erase your genes and that your genes carry your biological and real gender, regardless of how you feel, dress, or how badly you mutilate your body. There are rare cases where the gender confusion makes sense based on biology from faulty genes (ie. genetic males whose male parts did not form normally due to genetic defects). These people should be surgically corrected to the genetic, biological gender and helped to be what they really are genetically.

A problem that I've seen Peterson address that he is absolutely right to be concerned about is the enormous attack on free speech in Canada from the sexually deviant community who want it to be illegal for anyone to call their perversion what it is, wrong, unhealthy, and damaging.

The Islamists also want to squelch free speech in Canada, and laws are being passed that are moving the country away from a peaceful, free country to an evil tyranny where human life has no value.

The left want to constantly attack the right for saying things that offend them (like biological, scientific truths: humans come in male and female and the male body was designed to reproduce with the female body), but they are perfectly comfortable calling the other side all kinds of nasty names and being actually truly supremely hateful, showing how little they care about offending anyone while hypocritically pretending to be "sensitive".

Why don't you go ahead and link a video or article from Peterson where he is showing hate to women and gender-confused people. I'm interested to see it.

lol

I haven't listened to a ton of his lectures

you're a fucking idiot. basically here admitting you have no clue what you're talking about then writing paragraphs of nonsense trying to defend the filthy mongrel.
you are denigrating LGBT people while simultaneously denying hate for them. you can't even be genuine with yourself, quite pathetic!
by the way, alt-right is the term they coined themelves, not sure where you get the idea it's an insult. i guess it can definitely be used as an insult because they're all bottle of the barrel scum of the human race, but they call themselves that.
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Re: What Jordan Peterson does that most people don't
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2018, 04:47:07 PM »


saudi arabia, ultra-misogynist country has taking a liking to peterson's views on the inferiority of women!
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2018, 07:28:48 PM »
I was interested in hearing what you interpreted as Peterson hating on women, but you have not provided a video clip or article he wrote so I can assess his actual comments instead of your hate-filled insults. You are the hateful and disrespectful one.

I get that you're really emotional about your views. A lot of people are. But if you're gonna spend your time trying to convince other people, you need to bring evidence and reasons instead of just anger fumes.

I don't believe Peterson hates women or people confused about their gender and you haven't provided evidence for any of your wild claims.
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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2018, 07:46:50 PM »
peterson is a blatant misogynist fuckboi.
it would be easily to elaborate but i don't believe you give a shit about being convinced otherwise you wouldn't be defending a guy you say you've barely understand his ideas.
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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2018, 10:23:03 PM »
55 years old..classification a old ass biggest minority of all is old age..and this is the one to tell the young ones thier issues lol hop in the ground u bitch to him not baby but im sorry..nature taking u with it..old people opinoins really dont matter..joel olsteen is same age i need him to uplift me..he just has 10 years till the bad motherfuckers show up to the party..dont listen to them young people thier fucked up and want something..young poeple is shit under 24
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2018, 05:54:50 PM »

"You Have Struck A Nerve" Jordan Peterson Interview With Sunrise Leftist Australian Host - YouTube

This is an interview where I DO strongly agree with Peterson about it being "reprehensible" for a government to make laws against free speech or to compel speech by law.
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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2018, 07:28:37 PM »
He's an idiot OP, like you. Whether he is also a mentally ill alcoholic who's children should be taken into the care of the state, like you, I cannot say.
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2018, 07:50:32 PM »
"You Have Struck A Nerve" Jordan Peterson Interview With Sunrise Leftist Australian Host - YouTube

This is an interview where I DO strongly agree with Peterson about it being "reprehensible" for a government to make laws against free speech or to compel speech by law.



the only thing reprehensible is scum like you who want to bully minorities under the guise of 'free speech'.
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2018, 09:05:19 PM »
Name one act or word of Peterson's that constitutes bullying.

Quote something I said that does.

It looks to me like you are the hateful bullies and I am the minority. You can't seem to stop yourself from resorting to emotional name calling no matter what.

But unlike liberals, I don't wither at the words of people who disagree with me, nor do I think there should be laws that silence viewpoints other than mine from being discussed. I welcome disussion because I know my views hold water and can withstand the most malicious prodding and still the truth remains firmly intact.

Address something Peterson actually said.

I understand that you think everyone who doesn't agree with you is a "stupid retard worthless drug addict scum" etc. etc. that should be killed tortured etc.

But you can't exactly accuse other people of being mean or hateful or bullies when you're the ones who are demonstrating the execrably vitriolic with hateful speech and attitudes and actually wishing harm on others. That's just evil.

You refused to provide any evidence for any of your above claims.

Peterson is a human being and if you want to pretend to have empathy, love, and kindess, you should at least make a half hearted attempt to reasonably discuss something he actually has said.

I'll show you how this can be done.

I disagree with him in his statement that humans are related to lobsters. I am confident that if he studied science, he would be convinced of the truth that animals turning into other kinds of animals is genetically, scientifically impossible, nor is there any mechanism in living things that allows for the introduction of brand new information into the genome (like a heart where there wasn't a heart previously, wings, the male and female reproductive system, the seeing eyes, the hearing ear). There is no mechanism that allows for this, nor can scientists conceive of how such a miracle could ever have happened.

All that is observed is a loss or scrambling of existing information, as the scientific law of entropy would predict. Things are getting worse, not better. There is no upward progress. It's a fantasy.

I would assume perhaps presumptuously that Peterson's expertise lies in other fields besides biology and that if he were to apply himself to diligent and honest study of those areas of science he would likely be convinced of the truth that humans and lobsters are not related, since he comes across as a rather reasonable and genuine guy.

I will make your next reply for you, as a courtesy:

your a retard scum i hate you die die die

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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2018, 09:25:24 PM »
Name one act or word of Peterson's that constitutes bullying.

Quote something I said that does.

It looks to me like you are the hateful bullies and I am the minority. You can't seem to stop yourself from resorting to emotional name calling no matter what.

But unlike liberals, I don't wither at the words of people who disagree with me, nor do I think there should be laws that silence viewpoints other than mine from being discussed. I welcome disussion because I know my views hold water and can withstand the most malicious prodding and still the truth remains firmly intact.

Address something Peterson actually said.

I understand that you think everyone who doesn't agree with you is a "stupid retard worthless drug addict scum" etc. etc. that should be killed tortured etc.

But you can't exactly accuse other people of being mean or hateful or bullies when you're the ones who are demonstrating the execrably vitriolic with hateful speech and attitudes and actually wishing harm on others. That's just evil.

You refused to provide any evidence for any of your above claims.

Peterson is a human being and if you want to pretend to have empathy, love, and kindess, you should at least make a half hearted attempt to reasonably discuss something he actually has said.

I'll show you how this can be done.

I disagree with him in his statement that humans are related to lobsters. I am confident that if he studied science, he would be convinced of the truth that animals turning into other kinds of animals is genetically, scientifically impossible, nor is there any mechanism in living things that allows for the introduction of brand new information into the genome (like a heart where there wasn't a heart previously, wings, the male and female reproductive system, the seeing eyes, the hearing ear). There is no mechanism that allows for this, nor can scientists conceive of how such a miracle could ever have happened.

All that is observed is a loss or scrambling of existing information, as the scientific law of entropy would predict. Things are getting worse, not better. There is no upward progress. It's a fantasy.

I would assume perhaps presumptuously that Peterson's expertise lies in other fields besides biology and that if he were to apply himself to diligent and honest study of those areas of science he would likely be convinced of the truth that humans and lobsters are not related, since he comes across as a rather reasonable and genuine guy.

I will make your next reply for you, as a courtesy:

your a retard scum i hate you die die die

Got anything to add? :)

Lol isn't it funny how the jbp cultists adopt his self righteous rhetorical mannerisms