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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #30 on: August 06, 2018, 06:28:33 AM »
@BabyShark
I see your deliberately refusing to answer the question which leads me to believe you are serious.

Your taking this game and internet life way too seriously. This is a game it isn't real life. 
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #31 on: August 06, 2018, 06:34:41 AM »
Lol.

You're basically suggesting I should let the toxic abusers drive me away from a game I like.

I should leave because women aren't welcome here unless they want to be sexually harassed every day.

You also made comments about my breasts and appearance (sexual harassment).

You're on this game and forums 24/7 so don't pretend like you care about this game less than I do.
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2018, 06:41:05 AM »
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2018, 06:57:50 AM »
This does happen to us. All of us. Baby shark. We ignore it. Or give it right back. Because we are adults that learn sticks and stones may break our bones but words online will never hurt us
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #34 on: August 06, 2018, 07:06:50 AM »
but words online will never hurt us

Unless it's the magical facebook apparently. Despite it being online and all.  When did it not become online?
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #35 on: August 06, 2018, 08:27:05 AM »
LOL yeah I'm the one who needs therapy

Because a child is spoiled when they don't want to be forced to listen to "you suck nigger dick" etc day in and day out for over a YEAR by some psychos.

If you think that kind of behavior is decent and normal human behavior, to harass someone who squelches you regularly and never responds to you, daily with vulgar and rude messages for over a YEAR, you need to get some therapy. But then again, everyone already knows you need it.

Obviously, no one else on the server is targetted as much as I am for hate spam, on account of me being the only active female player on the game. I have been dealing with potty mouthed, temper tantrum throwing, rude buttheads like you and many other sad clowns that never grew up for half of my life on W2.

Just because there is a large number of scummy people who think it's okay to send dirty messages or group bully someone just because they have the anonymity and perceived safety of being far away behind a computer screen, doesn't mean it's not cowardly, sick, and evil behavior.

Every other app and gaming site has a BLOCK feature so persistent abusers and harassers can't continue for months and months and months to message you every time you log in.

If this had happened to you, or to Swift, I 100% guarantee Tora would follow your first order to get rid of the "annoyance" after MUCH less time than this.

I don't want anything extraordinary. I just want to be able to play a game I like with people I like and have losers with mental issues leave me alone (van and Leeroyjenkins). I don't want anything exceptional here.

This isn't "trash talking". This is players I never talk to or play with targetting me for private messages every time I log on. Squelch is undone every time I reconnect. If there were a permanent squelch option or block feature like every other app has, this problem could be dealt with very easily. Since there is no permanent squelch/block feature, I would ask that the people in charge use their common sense and realize that long-term one way harassment of a particular player isn't okay and penalize the problem users so they stop the behavior. The single solitary reason for not banning these people would be if an admin enjoys watching a user get harassed because they enjoy watching human suffering.

Think of how annoyed you would be after ONE DAY of someone filling up your game screen with messages while you're trying to play. Then think of it going on for TWO DAYS. THREE DAYS. FOUR DAYS. Relentless, day after day. Now you're fuming. You would have exploded LOOOONG ago.

Yeah, this has been going on for well over a year now, And I have just used /squelch and /dnd all this time, but it isn't enough.

I shouldn't have to put up with endless harassment from psychos because people who have power to stop it think it's okay. It isn't.

I'm also not the only person who feels the way I do. There are many who agree with my view that harassment is NOT okay, who don't want to put themselves out there to get attacked by the rabid mob of losers who want to start talking about my boobs.

Just because W2 carries a large number of juvenile, substance addicted, unemployed, mentally ill, divorced, single, lonely, horny, aggressive and rude people doesn't make sick and abusive behavior right or okay.

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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #36 on: August 06, 2018, 10:55:05 AM »
sounds like babyshark is describing herself as a war2 player
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #37 on: August 06, 2018, 10:59:36 AM »
My standard has basically been that if a simple squelch solves the problem, then it's under your control and it's not something the admins need to take up.  If a simple squelch doesn't do the trick because the other party is too persistent, that's when it really rises to harassment and we need to step in. 

In this case, it sounds like babyshark is saying that /squelch is working except that you have to keep doing it over and over.  I know sometimes to join games or to host strongly you have to reconnect first, so that in fact one gaming session could entail half a dozen reconnects and half a dozen times you need to /squelch these people.  Everyday, for a year.

If asking someone to /squelch every single time is too burdensome, then we ought to side with the victim and not the abuser, and ban van until he stops his abusive behavior.  I guess the question is, how hard is it exactly to squelch over and over?  I'm not sure.
 Also, is there any way to make it easier?  Can @iL get the server to remember your squelched users?  Can @Lambchops or another user write a script that auto-squelches a list of people every time you log on?
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #38 on: August 06, 2018, 11:12:08 AM »
So, what do you think about all of this, mousey and Tora? What is the exact reason why you are being so lenient? If some new guy started being toxic tomorrow, would he be allowed to do so as well?
tora's answer is pretty accurate eren:

The server is mainly for players who have played war2 pre RU. In other words it's a community built by veterans and casual war2 enthusiasts who are trying to entertain themselves. Most players aren't interested in teaching new players how to play or game with them for very long if they aren't progressing. 
there aren't many community-oriented initiative-takers here, most people just want to log on & play a few games with the people they've been gaming with for 10+ years and then log off. new people can play here if they want to but most people don't have much of a vested interested in accommodating or nurturing them.

also, when iL set up this new forum a few years ago he also implemented a new rule policy to try to cut back on the toxic environment

this would be a nightmare to try to enforce. even if most people didn't flagrantly rebel against it, our ipbans are easy to get around & there're no easy-to-use settings to control new registrations/permissions etc like discord & other modern software has. trying to enforce this rules policy would be a full time job. i don't have time for that, any volunteer here who does? we tried for like a minute back then and then gave up. as an admin i don't enforce "my ideal vision of what the server would be like in a perfect world", i enforce the rules the community in general including other admins agree on.

Every other app and gaming site has a BLOCK feature so persistent abusers and harassers can't continue for months and months and months to message you every time you log in.
this feature hasn't been deliberately omitted though, it's just a shortcoming of the outdated pvpgn technology. the server isn't subject to ongoing development, it's just made available here as-in for people to use if they want to. no one has to use it if they don't want to. no one has been promised that it will be a courteous & respectful gaming environment if they do.
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #39 on: August 06, 2018, 11:13:53 AM »
If you just don't respond to van.. He moves on pretty quick.. Just like anyone else.

He might try it later (a couple hours.. Or a couple days) .. But if you never respond it takes the fun out of it. Its a pretty simple solution. Don't feed the fire and it will eventually go out.

Most of us learned this by 3rd grade
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2018, 11:24:29 AM »
If a simple squelch doesn't do the trick because the other party is too persistent, that's when it really rises to harassment and we need to step in. 
yeah, that's the stance i took about leeroy

If asking someone to /squelch every single time is too burdensome, then we ought to side with the victim and not the abuser, and ban van until he stops his abusive behavior.  I guess the question is, how hard is it exactly to squelch over and over?  I'm not sure.
 Also, is there any way to make it easier?  Can @iL get the server to remember your squelched users?  Can @Lambchops or another user write a script that auto-squelches a list of people every time you log on?
i don't oppose banning van, but my understanding 1 year ago was that such an action would be viewed as "too extreme". i got some opposition as it was for giving leeroy a 7 day ban for the ongoing flaming of TGS, BS & others. if there's consensus for that now then by all means. but how do we know that it's been happening nonstop for 1 full year, or at all? i have nothing against BS but she did try to frame Yamon with some bogus screenshot request, so we know she isn't above lying in order to get someone banned 

either way, persistent squelch would be great & would solve the problem, would be a great feature if someone can set it up
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2018, 11:41:39 AM »
i checked the pvpgn forum and was fairly surprised to find nobody has ever developed like a third party mod or anything to add persistent squelching but i guess it's pretty dead on there.  one of the most recent posts is from USA-Archer lol
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2018, 11:44:27 AM »
@mousey, but have you read my reply on tora's post though? I still haven't been convinced.

But yet it doesn't really work, does it? Average age of 25-35 doesn't mean much to me if the individual doesn't actually act their age. No matter whatever kind of community you are in, everyone has the right to expect atleast that bare minimum level of respect I think, it's part of being in a society. Trashtalking is fine between friends, but I don't necessarily see that could be welcome between strangers or people who don't want to be engaged in such a manner, or getting trolled/cyberbullied often (it sounds like that's what BabyShark didn't want from the start, which is completely normal).

I also don't agree with your perspective of "policing things that are outside of war2ru". An administrator's duty is to admin the server and it's related forums, and to keep those two ordered, not the stuff outside of it. And for people who carry the issue to the outside of that scope are to resolve things between themselves. This is the normal definition of administrating a community such as this.

I do know people who are passionate about warcraft 2 yet who do not play multiplayer, I think they could have had a chance to be integrated into a community like this, if only your approach about administration wasn't wrong, that's what I'm talking about. The newcomers don't necessarily need to be taught how to play the games by others, but the environment that you are currently enabling gives actual zero chance for this community to grow and thrive. I am not someone who is easily offended by stuff written by others, but when I look from a general perspective of what's acceptable in a society, when I join the war2combat server and take a short glance at the server chatbox, I'm assured that nobody who could have otherwise enjoyed playing MP would have stayed here, and for good reason. Not after seeing the rampant racial and homophobic slurs made by trolls X'D
The issue pushed by BabyShark is just one example.

All in all, your policy about the forums and server seems like it would enable trolls and people who were otherwise outlawed by other communities, and give them a place to thrive here. War2ru could literally become 4chan, I could foresee this.

On top of that, I don't think controlling new registrations would be TOO hard of a task really. Like, I mean... If every new registration was checked by admins for example? And even if you IP banned, if the average age really is between 25-35 and if everyone got a job, I doubt most trolls would be too persistent to try new VPN addresses and such to re-register and continue harrassing. That stuff also takes some time too lol. I just wish that the entire system could be overhauled to a modern standard so you wouldn't have to deal with stuff like these. A permanent blocking system should have been a given, at least.
I don't want you guys to administrate as if you are doing a full-time job neither ofcourse.

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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2018, 01:02:11 PM »
The search is on high and low for a W2 user who has no issues.

I'm your huckleberry

I'm also sg's favorite and best-est ally of all time. Just ask him.
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Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2018, 02:33:13 PM »
I think babyshark is just jealous of vans wife and wants to get in on that so shes fabricating stories in order to steal VAN. surkin the derkin.