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Poll

Oldschool vs. Newschool

SPB Flower Tower
10 (90.9%)
{NaTe} Formation
1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted 11

SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation? 898  47

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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2018, 12:19:34 PM »
I've historically gone like 90% vs Spb.  Admittedly that might not be the case now but Spb has always beaten you, even back when I was winning vs him near every time
http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=SpbRu&player2=tk[AS]

Anyway he was only raised because you said you salivate when you see his flower tower, and anyone who makes a CT to protect their base is losing peons and losing the game, and yet the most prominent user of the flower tower has beaten you 10 times in a row.
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2018, 01:11:40 PM »
Anyway he was only raised because you said you salivate when you see his flower tower, and anyone who makes a CT to protect their base is losing peons and losing the game, and yet the most prominent user of the flower tower has beaten you 10 times in a row.

To be fair to TK, and you know I mean it because it's pretty obvious I don't go out of my way to be fair to him, that doesn't necessarily mean that tk is wrong about the flower tower being an unwise use of resources in many situations. In fact, I actually kind of agree with tk that spb would probably be better if he didn't lean so heavily on that during the early part of his game, at least in 1v1 play.
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2018, 01:18:20 PM »
do you salivate and then lose every time?  lol

When I see spb do it i kind of roll my eyes but i know exactly why he does it and i know that it can work (for him).  Why not just choke up the entrance and save the money?  Well i dont know exactly but i do know how spb likes to play, he likes to ensure his survival into the later game and then focus on running expansions. The ct serves him early game if grunts start busting down the door but also im confident he makes it early as part of his long-term plan, in order to have a well-insulated ct that can protect his main late game when he's low-ogre  or protecting other expansions etc.  If you dont dk it down, even if youre in there with ogres hitting his barracks youll take damage from the ct and he can pop new ogies out.  He knows what hes doing
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2018, 01:40:20 PM »
do you salivate and then lose every time?  lol

Well of course not, although back when I used to play 1on1 at least a little I stopped playing him on GOW because it was too easy to beat and no fun, and started playing him on water maps. Either get an early DK as you already suggested or just use the resources he's wasting on the tower and get yourself an early expansion.

Maybe he's better now, but I don't see how it still wouldn't be easy to beat him to lust and get dks if he insists on using early resources to make a cannon tower. It just slows you down way too much in 1v1 play.
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #34 on: August 30, 2018, 02:50:52 PM »
There was a time (probably a good 6-8 years ago) i would go 66%-33% with spb in 1s. But id take breaks, come back and he would beat me good for the first few weeks I came back, but I'd eventually get the upper hand.. Quit war2 again.. Come back and cycle repeat. Spb would be who I played to unrust. And my record has never been a concern of mine so I didn't mind losing 90% of the time for a couple weeks.

Even today I feel confident I could get an edge on him but it would take a lot more effort than it used to.. And that's because he has been using hardware mods in the last year or so.

Won't ever be able to go 66% 33% again tho don't think.
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #35 on: August 30, 2018, 03:12:47 PM »
Everyone acting like they can beat spb in a series.. But nobody playing him?

Prove it if its so simple
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #36 on: August 30, 2018, 03:15:15 PM »
Ill donate $100 to next tournament if blid or dugs can beat spb bo7
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2018, 04:02:57 PM »
Dugss losing their series right now 8-6 and they havent played in a year. Spb has jumped a tier in the last year. Wouldnt go well for dugs
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #38 on: August 30, 2018, 04:04:06 PM »
What are these "hardware mods" you speak of?
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #39 on: August 30, 2018, 08:03:38 PM »
Dugss losing their series right now 8-6 and they havent played in a year. Spb has jumped a tier in the last year. Wouldnt go well for dugs
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #40 on: August 30, 2018, 08:05:03 PM »
What are these "hardware mods" you speak of?

Keyboard with all of the hotkeys organized specifically for War 2. I'm not sure if he uses double-click or not but I imagine so
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2018, 10:40:07 AM »
What are these "hardware mods" you speak of?

Keyboard with all of the hotkeys organized specifically for War 2. I'm not sure if he uses double-click or not but I imagine so
What does this mean

I mean you can already hotkey buildings and unit groups within War2 so are you saying like he has keys programmed to do macros like 1p2p3p?
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2018, 07:55:39 AM »
What are these "hardware mods" you speak of?

Keyboard with all of the hotkeys organized specifically for War 2. I'm not sure if he uses double-click or not but I imagine so
What does this mean

I mean you can already hotkey buildings and unit groups within War2 so are you saying like he has keys programmed to do macros like 1p2p3p?
i think he means this





where all the hotkeys are the same for every unit/building & arranged in a 3x3 grid that matches the keyboard layout
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2018, 11:40:32 AM »
is that really helpful
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Re: SPB Flower Tower or {NaTe} Formation?
« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2018, 12:13:50 PM »
im using it, since 2 years, but allready i was winning vs alf,viet etc mby my skill a bit grow up but still i was top..

its funny that i still remember hotkyes bh bb bf etc after not suing them 2 years