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Forum Changes Feb 2015
« on: February 26, 2015, 12:53:03 PM »
So as you can all see, we're in the process of making some structural changes to the forum to help improve organization & address the spam/flaming problem. Major changes are summarized below.


Major Forum Changes

1. Created a "Flame Wars" board.
Whenever a legit thread goes off onto a tangent (useless back & forth exchanges of spam/flames) that content will be split from the main thread and moved to this board. Users can continue posting to the split thread or even start new threads in this section if they want, however posts made will not add to total post count. Forum rules do not apply here.*

2. Created a "Forum Affairs" board.
This section is for posts related to the forum, announcements (such as this one) about what actions admins/mods are taking, and for everyone else to post suggestions or complaints about the forum, how it's being run, etc. Our forum users have shown they are very concerned about free speech, fair administration, etc. so this is our attempt to be totally transparent about how the forum is operated.

3. Moved existing threads into these new boards.
I did a quick sweep through the boards and moved the most obvious threads into these two new sections. If I missed anything or moved anything incorrectly feel free to point it out here and myself or another mod can adjust accordingly.

4. Installed a Warning System plugin
The Warning System plugin will standarize moderation activities so there will never be any question of mods taking unfair or arbitrary actions.


* The exception is that porn links/images must still be clearly labeled and/or concealed within a "Spoiler" tag, which is a forum-wide policy.



New Warning System

The warning system will operate as follows:
  • Mods will issue warnings to users for committing agreed-upon infractions.* (Standard warning = 10%)
  • As the warning level increases user privileges will automatically be suspended. (50% warning = mute)
  • Warnings automatically decrease at a rate of 2% per 24 hours, thus gradually restoring privileges.
  • Flouting a direct instruction/request from a mod results in an immediate 48 hour mute.
  • Warnings can be compounded for excessive/repeated offenses.

* Infraction details:
Spoiler
As of right now the forum rules disallow spam, obnoxious pictures, offtopic garbage; "acts of religious, racial, sexual intolerance", and posting porno links, pictures, videos onpage. My interpretation of this:
  • If two (or more) people get into a flame war in a primary board and a mod has to split the thread & move it to Flame board, all parties involved receive a warning.

  • If one person makes multiple low quality (spam/flame) posts within a thread or threads that require their posts to be split, they receive a warning. 

  • If someone makes a post attacking or harassing another person (or a general group of people) based on race, religion, sex or sexual orientation, they receive a warning.
    Examples: "John Doe, you are a filthy Muslim piece of shit." "All Germans are Nazi scumbags." (Here we use race/nationality interchangeably.)

  • If someone links to graphic/NSFW content without labeling it, or embeds it directly into a thread without using a labeled "Spoiler" tag, they receive a warning.



Compound Warnings

  • If someone commits an infraction within 5 days of being unmuted (i.e. while still at 40% or higher warning level) they can be subject to compound warnings at a mod's discretion, resulting in a longer subsequent mute period. A compound warning is the amount of the previous warning + 10%

  • If someone continues to display aggressive/disruptful behavior after receiving multiple compound warnings, they can then be subject to an IP ban for a period of 7 days. Longer bans may be applied in extreme cases at a mod's discretion.



Warnable Offenses

The list of infractions that a moderator can issue a warning for:
  • Violating any of the rules the community has voted to enforce in the official forum rules*.

  • Blatantly disobeying a direct request issued by a moderator.

* Details about use of porn links/images:
Spoiler
Currently the rules state: "Porno links, pictures, videos onpage should cause muting" which we're intepreting as meaning unlabeled links, and images/videos directly embedded into a thread. Therefore, porn is technically allowed if links are clearly labeled as leading to pornographic material, and image/video embeds are concealed in a clearly labeled "Spoiler" tag.

An image/vid embedded in a labeled spoiler is the same difference as a labeled link, in that it gives people the option to not view the content if they don't want to. If anyone feels it's necessary to revise this guideline to prohibit all links/references to porn/graphic content, period, they can raise that issue for discussion and a community vote.


Other admins/mods: feel free to append to this list if you feel it's necessary, but make a public announcement if you do. People have the right to know in advance what they can be punished for.



Censorship

Currently we haven't finalized any guidelines for employing censorship on the forum. Should we do it ever? Should we do it some of the time? Some ideas are:

  • Hide off-topic/spammy content inside a "Spoiler" tag to prevent it from cluttering a useful thread (for 1-2 posts, where splitting is overkill).

  • Hide offensive material that violates the rules (porn, racial slurs, etc.) inside a "Spoiler" tag

  • Replace offensive material that violates the rules with asterisks, e.g. "you filthy ********"

  • Remove offensive material that violates the rules outright (permanently deleting)



Revisions
28 Aug 2015
References to poll removed.  Rules finalized.

09 Mar 2015
  • Increased warning duration from 24 hours to 5 days.
28 Feb 2015
  • Added info about compound warnings
  • Added porn exception to the "no rules for Flame Wars" decree
  • Add clarification about correct usage/labeling of porn
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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2015, 03:59:03 PM »
thats all nice.


flame forum will be filled with equinox threads, he wanted his own susbforum now he has it... kinda...lol


there needs to be a 3 mutes = 1 month ip ban.

(i am hoping/assuming this forum has ip ban... otherwise player will just create a new aka and start over again... *cough* eminem)
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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2015, 04:08:04 PM »
Yeah, I agree there should be some sort of "ramping up" for multiple infractions.

And yes there's IP bans. 
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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2015, 04:09:35 PM »
awesome changes, i can wipe out my ignore list and start reading war2.ru section again. Yay
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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2015, 08:25:23 PM »
thats all nice.


flame forum will be filled with equinox threads, he wanted his own susbforum now he has it... kinda...lol

Sounds like a perfect solution to me. The guy has more lives than a cat when it comes to evading bans, so at least this way all his anger and hatred can be contained in one small, isolated cesspool instead of permeating the entire forum and ruining it for everyone. Making posts in the Flame forum doesn't increase post count, so what's the problem? Let him have his own subforum make 500 posts a day there if he wants.

Compounding punishment for repeat offenders seems reasonable. So if someone has 40% warnings, they break a rule and receive another 10%, they're muted for 24 hours. If they break another rule the moment they're unmuted then they could receive a double warning (20%), so muted for 48 hours, and so on. If they pull that crap 3-4 times, hit them with a 7 day IP ban. Thoughts?

Hopefully it won't be necessary to go to such lengths though; everyone seems to be playing nicely for the moment. c:
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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2015, 12:22:28 AM »
Oh nice we allowing porn on here now? Nice job keeping the integrity of these forums.
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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2015, 02:33:42 AM »
is this spam or other kind of unwanted content?

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,473.msg6687.html#msg6687
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,512.msg6673.html#msg6673

there are millions of these. According to rules:
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If one person makes multiple low quality (spam/flame) posts within a thread


so should I only report him when i see two garbage pics in the same thread? or are they not considered as 'spam'?
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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2015, 03:08:21 AM »
is this spam or other kind of unwanted content?
Yes, i think it is.
The main problem is there are really tons of such spam messages here on the forum. Moderators should give million warnings to handle that.
My personal point: i appreciate people involvement in forum activity, but i'd be happy to reduce such kind of spam in all sections except flame wars.
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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2015, 07:19:45 AM »
is this spam or other kind of unwanted content?

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,473.msg6687.html#msg6687
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,512.msg6673.html#msg6673

there are millions of these. According to rules:
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If one person makes multiple low quality (spam/flame) posts within a thread


so should I only report him when i see two garbage pics in the same thread? or are they not considered as 'spam'?

No its not spam if u want i can write it physically out. I was calling you gay in that one post based on your comment and the other was a famous tv show that quoted Ganz legend comment. Seems to me your just a little butt hurt . And i thought i was on your ignore list?

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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2015, 07:32:56 AM »
If its that much of an issue then let a moderator review it and have them move it to the appropriate section. I have no objections.

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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2015, 11:18:00 AM »
is this spam or other kind of unwanted content?
Yes, i think it is.
The main problem is there are really tons of such spam messages here on the forum. Moderators should give million warnings to handle that.
My personal point: i appreciate people involvement in forum activity, but i'd be happy to reduce such kind of spam in all sections except flame wars.
i guess that whenever mod sees that kind of post, he should remove it/move it to flame wars + give an appropriate warning %%. All it needs is a clear policy (lets call it "anti-ryu" rule) posted&sticked somewhere, so every moderator would react the same way
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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2015, 11:31:07 AM »
Both those posts you linked, they're low-content but they're directly related to the posts preceding them. That's not really "spamming."  I don't really see that kind of post as a big deal.  why is ganz posting "I AM LEGEND" not spam, but ryu posting a pic saying "Look son, a legend" is spam?  Does it really bother lots of people?
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2015, 12:04:50 PM »
they're directly related to the posts preceding them

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,492.msg6596.html#msg6596
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,487.msg6513.html#msg6513
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,507.msg6629.html#msg6629

thats not even related and hardly "low-content", more like zero content. Even the ladyboys $pace hangs around with have more vagina than those posts have content, you hear me you little brat! this is serious business
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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2015, 12:15:08 PM »
Yeah, a post that's just a smiley is pretty bad, esp. from someone with a history of making low-content posts.  I will warn him for those for sure if I see them in the future.
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Re: Forum Changes Feb 2015
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2015, 12:22:31 PM »
Soo many rules, might need to hire a lawyer.

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