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Re: How to Hate People - Demo Thread
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2019, 04:52:30 PM »
You still did not answer the questions :P

Yet again what I do not welcome here is not you it is what you used this forum for, which is a very different thing! And you  know exactly what I am talking about...

If my reaction felt very harsh that is because I was pissed and very disappointed by your actions when you have no expectations from someone you are not pissed when they are not met so take this reaction as a sign of me still giving you credit.

No one is perfect including me I may overreact sometimes too but you know exactly what I felt was wrong with your ways and also thank you for already acting on it, this is appreciated.

Otherwise you yourself are always more than welcome here, as far as I am concerned I would also like to have you back in our server and play some games.

Also I apologize if I hurt your feelings.
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2019, 03:11:46 PM »
The apology is nice. Thank you. That is more along the lines of the person I remember gaming with prior to last summer.

I don't believe advertising War2USA on a Warcraft 2 forum is wrong. I removed what I removed not because I believe I did anything wrong, but because there are bigger issues than a stupid video game going on, like people wanting to kill themselves. If people are going to get madhouse ragey about someone mentioning playing Warcraft 2 in a nice place to the point where they can't see human beings anymore, maybe removing it so they calm down enough so they can see that there are real human beings all around who are hurting will help. This all started because I posted a video to help out brand new players, which is relevant to War2, and of course I want people to play on War2USA and I want newbies to have a place where they will be welcomed. I've never pretended otherwise. Come play there with us and see for yourself what it is you're criticizing before you continue attacking what you don't know. Or stay locked in the hate cage. Your call. Most people play at both.

The new server was actually mousetopher's idea. Already back perhaps 2 years ago, I don't remember exactly, I'd been complaining about how toxic the environment is and how much new players are dissed and banned and thrown out, and she suggested starting a new server that is newb friendly.

Mousetopher owns, made, and maintains this forum, and has not made any rule about advertising a newb friendly, non-toxic alternative to ru. If she's changed her mind on account of her changed feelings towards me, that's her prerogative and she can do whatever the hell she wants, which she does anyway.

When you show the level of fear and hostility at the idea that people would know another place to play Warcraft exists, you are admitting that in your heart of hearts, you know the alternative is better, and that if the two options are side by side, and people can consider what each has to offer on its own merits rather than brainwashing and hate-fueled propaganda and false accusations, new players or old returning players who have no skill would more often than not choose the friendlier place where they can actually play.

It's like a guy who has a girlfriend and insists that she is blind-folded every time she leaves the house so she can't see other men, in case she likes them better. If he is confident that he has something to offer her, he will give her all the freedom she wants, because even if she has an option, she will choose him, if he has been good to her and they care for each other.

If ru is better, as you're trying to act like you believe, since that's where you've placed your loyalty in spite of all the corruption you willingly blind yourself to, then another server that is "inferior", and usually empty to boot, should be no threat to you, no concern to you whatsoever.

If the other server is better, or lines up more with your beliefs and values of how human beings should treat each other, how new players should be treated, how bans are carried out, and so on, then why the devotion to a place that started out banning you as a worthless newb?

You've clearly forgotten that I left Joe and Ogremage's game when we still had fun playing together before they got brainwashed - I left a game that I wanted to play after they banned you for being a newb in order to host a game just so you had a game to join and someone to play with. I'd never heard of you. You were an unknown newb to me too.

Everyone conveniently forgets everything I do for other people so they can throw rotten tomatoes and nitpick every little thing I say and do so they can smear me because I'm a Christian and that's the culturally and socially acceptable thing to do to Christians nowadays. Then eeeeeeeeveryone can insult, mock, hate, death wish, harass, taunt, lie about, ban, mute you because that's the political climate of the day. Christians are the most persecuted group of people throughout history. They've been fired, jailed, crucified, beheaded in modern times around the world, not for committing actual crimes, but for speaking the truth in love to a world lost in hate and darkness. Swift already admitted to me the last time he joined my game last summer (Honey Swamp 1v1, same as the replay I posted previously) that the reason he attacked me and began to hate me was for my religion, which I already knew.

The Bible already tells us this is going to happen.

Matthew 5: 11-12

Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.


John 15:18

If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you.


II Timothy 3:12

Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted


Matthew 5:43-48

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


And you have God's servants throughout Bible history being falsely accused. Joseph rejected adultery with Potiphar's wife, she accused him of trying to rape her, he went to prison. Naboth was accused of blasphemy by wicked queen Jezebel because she wanted his vineyard for her husband Ahab, and he was stoned to death. John the Baptist was sent to prison for telling Herod he was wrong to take a living man's wife as his own, then had his head cut off. Paul the apostle, who started out zealously trying to arrest and kill Christians, was converted by Jesus and when He went to preach the message of good news and forgiveness of sins through the name of Jesus, he was repeatedly imprisoned, beaten, even stoned (but survived) only for telling the good news about Jesus. Jesus Himself spent his life healing diseased people, raising the dead, casting out demons, teaching people to love their enemies and pray for them and many other good things, and He Himself (though never having sinned in His entire life) was accused of blaspheming God and put to death, on account of Him having told people that He is the Son of God. Jeremiah the prophet was thrown in a pit and hated by the wicked people he was trying to save with God's message of truth. There are more examples than I can name right now. None of it is new or surprising.

God knows everything, the Bible is right about everything.

We hurt and suffer like other people, though.

I also gave myself a 2 week ban from ru (during which I was invited to come play on smurf, but I declined, I didn't play at all on ru) to protest the admin apathy about the harassment of another player. I wanted to play. I love W2. I'm some special brand of addict. So to say I'm looking for "power" or I'm motivated for selfish reasons is neglecting to look at the full picture.

I played W2 for the first time at 13, for the first time online at 16 or 17, and was hooked. There's something special about it to me. W2 and I go far back, and deep. I have a lot of good memories playing this game, and a lot of really awesome people I've had the opportunity to get to know to varying degrees and spend time with. I had to choose between quitting or playing on an empty server and putting in a huge ton of hours and work into building it. I'm not really a quitter. I'm a pretty freakin determined person. Yes. I want to play W2 and not be muted, have friends banned, or be messaged "you suck nigger dick" over and over and over for years, accused of being a liar or a drama queen or all the rest of the nonsense people are coming up with. I don't think wanting those things is unreasonable.

I just wanted to play a game I liked and have some fun. But some people ruined that for me (and for a lot of other people who had an easier time moving to other games or other things).

Now I'm having fun again (not here at the hate forums ofc, but at War2USA where people are friendly) and yes I want to grow the server and collect ru's rejects and teach newbies that no one else wants to waste time on, but it looks like ru's rejects will just disappear into nothingness and I'll figure out a less hate-filled way to find new players.

Anyways, I have to go...IRL calls.

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Re: How to Hate People - Demo Thread
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2019, 05:43:52 PM »
its grim ...most players the younger ones ..have no memories of war2 they started with say WoW they are not gonna be coming.

all christanity is  a priviledge around here..none believes in that shit there just fitting in..they go to bars and shit and married dont get asked who they dating etc etc.....go visit africa where christians and muslims kill each other..
hell im going.. poping in some ace of bace and sitting in my stool

remember god didnt let moses in..its best to be honest with the creator
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Re: How to Hate People - Demo Thread
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2019, 04:30:44 AM »
I thought you were done with RU you fat, autistic retard. Fuck can't even stay away after creating your own community to house your early onset dementia.
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Re: How to Hate People - Demo Thread
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2019, 05:09:45 AM »
I do not think war2.usa has any chance to grow more than it already grown it just makes me sad that you would decide to split the already very small player base in two and drag in people from war2.ru because you think people are unable to just be in one place and find another solution.

More people in one place = more interactions so yes more exposure to toxicity too.

Solutions that do not involve splitting the player base exist: like adding language filters by default and removable for people that like staring at shit.
Or having soft and adapted punishments like permanent squelches and serverwide squelches for multiple time offenders so that they only can talk to people that specifically unsquelched them.
there are a lot of soft solutions

You may notice that these solution do not always involve banning people or segmenting the player base, because when you have 50 players on average maybe you just cant afford it.

Even if I do not like player X and never will play with him someone that could not jump in my game might be happy he can play with X because maybe that person who is also a player I like to play with may like X enough to play games with him.

Overall it will helps that other person to stick around and come back to war2 and this could be a win win.

You do not get to talk/read or interact with X but you get to have a person to play with sometimes that you will happily interact with and that will stick around because he finds games and people to play with when you are not here.

So you see even though we may agree on a problem existing we can disagree on the solutions.
Just because people advocated a position that is slightly similar to yours does not mean they contradict themselves when they do not agree on your ways.

I am pretty sure this is the position of most of the war2.ru people actually that if something is done to fix an existing problem concerning war2.ru it has to be including the largest number possible of people from the existing community and has to be the least divisive possible.

Because at this point it may be better to have no changes at all than possibly destructive changes.

Your solution is in itself divisive and this is why it wont work but it is also why people are pissed because they know it is not going anywhere and in the mean time it is still doing damage, every-time they come to one of the two server and struggle to find games or players to play with you take a risk of loosing them...

And that also is valid for the new guys that you miss lead to think there is no better place for them to find people to play war2. And every time they log in, your server is empty. How long do you think they will keep coming back?
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Re: How to Hate People - Demo Thread
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2019, 10:27:15 AM »
babyshark is good at hating people... mostly minorities and women.
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Re: How to Hate People - Demo Thread
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2019, 04:47:45 PM »
How long do you think they will keep coming back?

I'm not a prophet. :)

But they've already been coming back since September. Even if they don't...isn't that what you want anyway? Me exiled and not able to play W2 with anyone because I'm a horrible human being?

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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2019, 05:07:23 PM »
BabyShark is trending on twitter today.  Hope it's for something good
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Re: How to Hate People - Demo Thread
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2019, 05:35:37 PM »
But they've already been coming back since September. Even if they don't...isn't that what you want anyway? Me exiled and not able to play W2 with anyone because I'm a horrible human being?

Never said any of that, what I want is everyone playing in one server and no I do not want people to go away from war2 quite the opposite in fact.
When people leave your server because they think war2 is dead and no one plays it, there is an opportunity cost for war2.ru too.

No one said you had to be exiled or had to stop playing on war2.ru, you decided that on your own if you were to come play on war2.ru today id be happy to welcome you in my games.

As I mentioned earlier that war2.usa thing is a loose loose situation for everyone as a whole...

Also you still are not answering the questions, I did answer yours.
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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2019, 07:42:20 PM »
I don't see why my video game habits or the video game habits of other users are of concern to you...I mean, why don't you hound everyone who plays other video games...like League of Legends...and tell them how horrible they are?

I've actually SEEN people invite W2 players to play League of Legends!!!

WISH I SS'D IT. Maybe we could get them all exiled?
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Re: How to Hate People - Demo Thread
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2019, 09:43:11 PM »
You are the only one exiling yourself, no one banned you from war2.ru you are free to come and go.

You do not have to agree but failing to understand and avoiding so carefully the points I am making all the time is kinda sad and not very subtle.

Also you always getting offended as soon as someone disagrees or do not do things exactly the way you want them is getting very old.

Now I showed you multiple times that I understand your perspective I can see why you do what you are doing. Can you see things from another perspective than yours? Without getting offended? And maybe even accepting that maybe someone may have a point occasionally?

Is all you are doing so perfect and untouchable that there are absolutely no flaws to it at all?

Here is a video about how to get offended even better:

How To Get Offended - Ultra Spiritual Life episode 52 - YouTube
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2019, 09:54:40 PM »
Babysharks paranoia is really showing again. Babyshark do you know what a self fulfilling prophecy is?
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2019, 10:12:02 PM »
Yes. So sad. That I don't think people should give death threats to others and tell them they will come slit their throats at night while they scream after they slit all the "niggers" throats.

It's very very sad that I don't accept and embrace that kind of behavior or talk.

Maybe if more of us actually experienced getting our throats slit, we might realize how great it is!!

Also more of us should call people's employers who play on War2USA and try to get them fired. Also very sad that I don't approve of that. You have yet to make ONE comment about that criminal activity by your best criminal buddy. For some reason you're willing to completely ignore and avoid criminal behavior like that so you can get upset about someone wanting to play a video game without your approval.

I think it is fine if we go our separate ways, you and I. That doesn't mean I won't ever post on a video game forum that you don't own without your permission and approval. If the communists wanna ban me, they can do that anytime they want.

I think what's sad is that you sell out your so-called values that you claim loyalty to, you'll do anything, say anything, be anything to win the approval of your toxic peers.

The world needs men with backbones but they are in extremely short supply nowadays.

Having a backbone means you're willing to stand up for what you believe in even when you're the only one, even when you'll be criticized and hated.

I saw a glimpse of that in you when you were making your grand posts about how people should be all nice and things like that but you saw the example of how people started to treat me, and you quickly abandoned your principles.

Yes virtual world true true, yet again most online applications, games, game communities, sites,  irc chats, have terms of use.
Not all have the same level of control, but there is a reason they all have terms of use.

Terms of use is a way to build up a common ground for a community you will find in most case they do make sure that members have the best experience possible from the start by setting the minimal amount of limits that allow the most people to feel at home.

When you say you tolerate anything you are saying you don't care if your members do use your platform for expressing their racial hate and all of that crap.
What if a user uses your platform for child porn diffusion and abuse? What then so you tolerate that too? Humans are capable of being awesome beings but they also can behave very badly.

Not having terms of use is just making it super hard to build a community because it is damaging it at the same time. Think about it, every time a new user is going to look at what that one mentally retarded guy has to says in the general channel or even whispers him them there is a lot of chances that this guy will just assume we all are like this because we basically tolerate it.

This is about the fact that even if these retarded people represent less than 1% of the community, one of them that we tolerate does more damage than anything we do to help the community grow.

All I am saying is I don't care about single isolated cases here, I look at the big picture and honestly if we are to help war2.ru grow and get more players we might as well start there.
You don't build a community around hate talks, anarchy and chaos.
You've got to give people something they want to be a part of and a place they want to settle in and where they feel at home.

The best way to do that is encouraging positive attitudes and exchanges, fair play, fun and making sure that interactions cannot be too damaging having terms of use gives a nice common ground that ensure that exchanges cannot be too destructive between players and for the community as a whole.

In short if you have "Welcome" written on your door step people might feel better about getting in and talking to you than if it is something like "death to all jews and niggas" simple as that.

This was the Cel I thought had some principles and some backbone. He was kinda cool.

Wonder what happened to him.

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Re: How to Hate People - Demo Thread
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2019, 11:10:22 PM »
"I don't think people should give death threats to others" yes and? How is that making you different from us?
Good for you I must say and welcome to the club, I and the large majority of players on war2.ru also are against it and also against child abusers and against racism, pretty sure most of us also are for world peace!

There is nothing unique or special in that position so explaining further how you came to a conclusion that world peace was better than a genocides has little to no value so lets cut it there.

Just because we can agree on these things and on the fact that there is a problem with toxicity does not mean we have to agree on the solutions.


Nuking the whole planet would be a very effective way to remove toxicity too right since every toxic people would be wiped out does that make it an smart solution?
Does it mean just because people disagree with the solution they are endorsing the problem?

It is funny that you would mention communism you really sound like one by having that very black and white picture vision where everyone that do not agree with your plan becomes part of the problem.


Banning people may solve the issue but it is not the only solution splitting the database is not either and as a matter of fact these may just be the worst solutions available to us.
I think we can have much better solutions that do not involve separating people or banning but who cares what others may think certainly not you.

Just because I have a clear solution in mind does not mean I disrespect everyone else and exclude them from my solution finding it ok to move forward on my own selfishly and impose my views to everyone else and aggressively  tag everyone that disagree with my views as being part of the problem.

Here I am stating again the same thing because you are completely depth to critique, arguing with you really feels like talking to wall.

Now you can disagree with my vision, I would understand that yet you refuse to acknowledge that your solution also comes with a price and may not be the only one.
What does that make you?
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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2019, 01:26:53 AM »
Yes. So sad. That I don't think people should give death threats to others and tell them they will come slit their throats at night while they scream after they slit all the "niggers" throats.


Funny how you're running with what I told you van said to me like it's gospel without a screenshot of it, but when I tell you that you did something shitty to me on a public forum, you vehemently deny it and act like you never did it and that i'm just out to get you and I have to provide proof of every interaction we've ever had in the game for last 3 years or any evidence is not evidence which not even you yourself do. But because it's van whom you hate, your bias is showing. 

The world needs men with backbones but they are in extremely short supply nowadays.

Having a backbone means you're willing to stand up for what you believe in even when you're the only one, even when you'll be criticized and hated.

You choose to ignore them though unless they follow your agenda down to a perfect t, or better yet, slander them if your the one being stood up to by them.