So, the main problem for Babyshark is trash talking?
Then i'd say that's even bigger loss than i thought.
I also hate trash-talking on our forum&server, 4+ years ago i also tried to do something with that. I also have a thick skin, but that's just unpleasant to join the server and see all that trash.
I tried to make server rules in 2014: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,38.msg171.html
Or make polls: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,117.msg847.html
As I see it, the problem wasn't just trash talking. It was that it had gone too far into genuine harassment. BS sought help from the administration not for an individual "he-said she-said" argument, but for ongoing targeted nasty abuse that was independant of any incidental events on a specific day. In the end it became too much for her to cope with and she left with a (IMO) largely ill-advised explosion.... FB, public flaming etc.
I don't know that there's an easy set of rules we could have somehow grafted onto our existing community, but I do think that we, as a community, should have been able to do something about it before
it got to that point.
If someone is beating another person with a bat, that is bad. You don't have to say "I agree with the victim and everything they say and we are BFFs now", you just have to be a decent human being and say, "stop hitting them with a bat, that is not ok". Sugesting that is ok because you don't like that person or because they are yelling a bunch of stuff while they are being hit is not an excuse. People being hit with a bat will generally lose their shit and yell all sorts of stuff.
This is common sense. You don't need rules to work it out. This place is well cliquey enough that if a few people had had the balls to just stand up and apply a bit of social pressure against it, the whole thing could have been managed.
But i understood community doesn't accept that.
Community deserves atmosphere they created, and that's not our power to change that.
If we begin to ban people for trash-talking, they just leave.
I understand that, but they are leaving anyway. Quieter people don't post on the forum, and generally don't trash talk, and don't like being subjected to it.
The standard has to be set not for the existing players, it has to be for the players we don't have yet. Young people. New people. There are millions of people every day clicking around on stupid browser games because they are bored. The opinions of those people are much more important that the opinions of the few crusty old assholes we still have left.If us crusty old assholes have any brains at all we should see that.
At the same time i understand comminuty is wide, every single player has his own opinion about trash-talking also.
No idea how Babyshark plans to avoid trash talking or her server: to ban people? Or to make some different activity?
Well I think there's a no swearing in the channel policy and a bot to police it, but basically it's a small enough group that people aren't nasty to each other.
That's sad she is against us, not on our side...
Maybe we could do something together...
I don't think BS is "against us". She just feels that she was treated very badly and no longer wants to play here. I don't think someone is the enemy just because they want to play wc2 somewhere else. It's not like she didn't try hard for a long time here.
Personally I don't mind a little bit of trash talk occasionally, but for some people it is their normal for of communication when gaming .... constant rage and flame... IMO that's just being a dick
The problem is /squelch doesn't have a memory so she had to squelch the same people every single time she logged in, and if she didn't, they would send her flame messages. But then she could squelch them after that... but it was just annoying
Yes in this case I think that feature would have helped a lot. Clearly it was more than just annoying.
That's why she was dissatisfied, but she finally left after something that is better categorized as interpersonal drama, Mousetopher had temp muted Babyshark and Van in Discord chat because they were in a flame war, and Babyshark felt betrayed and angry.
Yeah it was ugly at the end, but there was a lot leading up to that.