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Re: anti-capitalism thread
« Reply #405 on: September 23, 2015, 06:59:10 PM »
why do i get the impression you think you're going to be a millionaire some day?

"...the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."  swift irl.

let me ask you this. do you think it's impossible/unrealistic for you to become a millionaire?
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« Reply #406 on: September 23, 2015, 07:29:33 PM »
I'm definitely going to read these retarded Swift posts and reply to them in earnest.
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« Reply #407 on: September 23, 2015, 08:23:36 PM »
But yes, most entry, middle level jobs in my opinion are very easy compared to upper level management jobs, or specialist jobs, or running start-ups

the working class constitutes a lot more than just entry level or "middle level jobs".
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« Reply #408 on: September 23, 2015, 08:49:48 PM »
But yes, most entry, middle level jobs in my opinion are very easy compared to upper level management jobs, or specialist jobs, or running start-ups

the working class constitutes a lot more than just entry level or "middle level jobs".


of course.

ceo's by and large have extensive amounts of stress, responsibility, complicated workloads relative to the average employee. they're also often grossly overpaid.
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« Reply #409 on: September 23, 2015, 08:55:59 PM »
you're half right.
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« Reply #410 on: September 23, 2015, 09:08:18 PM »
how do you get your evidence? i'll admit that i only have a limited amount of real life examples i rely on, none of which are real life persons that head up mega companies like nike or something
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« Reply #411 on: September 23, 2015, 09:45:30 PM »
But yes, most entry, middle level jobs in my opinion are very easy compared to upper level management jobs, or specialist jobs, or running start-ups

the working class constitutes a lot more than just entry level or "middle level jobs".


Morons like Swift are completely incapable of thinking of these issues on a global scale so everything this retard says is framed around THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS lol.

"Wow, when you think about it, a CEO works way harder than the working class, so they deserve their money. BTW when I say "working class" I am talking about middle class Americans and not the actual global working class of slaves."
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« Reply #412 on: September 23, 2015, 10:48:06 PM »
A lot of the CEO leeches do work like 75 hours a week and grind their teeth in their sleep and take tons of speed etc.  Like the proletariat needs to be liberated from exploitation, these bougies too need to be liberated, from their lives.
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Re: anti-capitalism thread
« Reply #413 on: September 23, 2015, 11:29:58 PM »

A lot of the CEO leeches do work like 75 hours a week and grind their teeth in their sleep and take tons of speed etc.  Like the proletariat needs to be liberated from exploitation, these bougies too need to be liberated, from their lives.

You gonna practice corporate law now and be an advocate?


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« Reply #414 on: September 24, 2015, 12:05:35 AM »
But yes, most entry, middle level jobs in my opinion are very easy compared to upper level management jobs, or specialist jobs, or running start-ups

the working class constitutes a lot more than just entry level or "middle level jobs".


Morons like Swift are completely incapable of thinking of these issues on a global scale so everything this retard says is framed around THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS lol.

"Wow, when you think about it, a CEO works way harder than the working class, so they deserve their money. BTW when I say "working class" I am talking about middle class Americans and not the actual global working class of slaves."

i am talking globally, not just the states. your bad for assuming otherwise.

i understand many places around the world have non-existent/relaxed labor laws, or at least governments willing to bend them for one incentive or another, and pieces of shit take advantage of this with long work weeks etc - however most big shot entrepreneurs/upper-management guys i know (i've never met ceo's to big corps though, but i assume they are the same as follow) get warmed up at 70 hours a week, and most severely struggle with trying to separate work life from personal life as they cant shut it off. it's a sort of addiction/obsession, in it's own very powerful way. There's constant fear of disappointing colleagues, employees, or struggling to keep finances up by taking huge financial risks, file bankruptcy multiple times, stay up late working on huge projects or stressing over direction/risks they're undergoing, etc etc etc. there's healthy life style books written for and geared toward these types - see again, biggerpockets.com granted, i'm sure they have MUCH better working conditions/environments then a lot of people out there but that's for another conversation.

also, i never said CEO's "deserve their money" and I made sure to clarify this more than once. your bad again

i'm sure you'll assume something or twist my argument in some way, as you always do - perhaps this time you'll take the angle of "oh swift's trying to create a pity party for the blood sucking capitalists" which i am not. Again, the pay and working conditions are absolutely unfair for the middle/poor classes throughout the world. all i am saying is these types typically are some of the most dedicated/obsessive hard working types who get their position due to these "qualities". in addition to this, they typically have other types of qualities, some of them are great at implementing or even coming up with new ideas, some are amazing talent scouts, etc etc.

they aren't just sipping pina colada's 24/7 on beaches as jon seems to think. granted ceo is a very broad term and job description/tasks for these individuals can vary greatly from company to company - most are picked carefully by the company and have to answer to a board of directors, chairman etc who ultimately reports back to purely profit motivated shareholders... but this "hey lets just hire billy because we like billy and then we'll just fucking pay him a high 6 or even 7 figure salary with amazing benefits so that he can fuck around and be a rich bastard while not attending to our multi-million/billion dollar company" is absurd. these mother fuckers all want a quality ceo who works both hard and smart because his/her direction/risks will reflect on the board of directors greatly who ultimately are always out of a job if the shareholders want it so.

now if you want to talk about someone who doesn't do shit - shareholders.
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« Reply #415 on: September 24, 2015, 12:25:17 AM »
A lot of the CEO leeches do work like 75 hours a week and grind their teeth in their sleep and take tons of speed etc.  Like the proletariat needs to be liberated from exploitation, these bougies too need to be liberated, from their lives.

thats all i am saying. minus the liberation from their lives part of course O_o

interesting that you would guess teeth grinding to be a significant problem. my business is obviously only small scale and i am not dealing with the same stress as these types we talk about probably do, and i work more like 60 hr/wk but i grind hardcore and have massive sleep problems.
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« Reply #416 on: September 24, 2015, 07:52:20 AM »
i am talking globally, not just the states. your bad for assuming otherwise.

You absolutely are not. In this very post you spend less than a sentence talking about the global situation, and then go on to talk about how hard it is to be an "entrepeneur" because all the ones you know work so hard. Making token statements to the effect that there's a world outside the US does not mean your argument or analysis meaningfully incorporates these facts.

i understand many places around the world have non-existent/relaxed labor laws, or at least governments willing to bend them for one incentive or another, and pieces of shit take advantage of this with long work weeks etc - however most big shot entrepreneurs/upper-management guys i know (i've never met ceo's to big corps though, but i assume they are the same as follow) get warmed up at 70 hours a week, and most severely struggle with trying to separate work life from personal life as they cant shut it off. it's a sort of addiction/obsession, in it's own very powerful way. There's constant fear of disappointing colleagues, employees, or struggling to keep finances up by taking huge financial risks, file bankruptcy multiple times, stay up late working on huge projects or stressing over direction/risks they're undergoing, etc etc etc. there's healthy life style books written for and geared toward these types - see again, biggerpockets.com granted, i'm sure they have MUCH better working conditions/environments then a lot of people out there but that's for another conversation.

also, i never said CEO's "deserve their money" and I made sure to clarify this more than once. your bad again

i'm sure you'll assume something or twist my argument in some way, as you always do - perhaps this time you'll take the angle of "oh swift's trying to create a pity party for the blood sucking capitalists" which i am not. Again, the pay and working conditions are absolutely unfair for the middle/poor classes throughout the world. all i am saying is these types typically are some of the most dedicated/obsessive hard working types who get their position due to these "qualities". in addition to this, they typically have other types of qualities, some of them are great at implementing or even coming up with new ideas, some are amazing talent scouts, etc etc.

So what is your fucking point? Who fucking cares? A middle class or wealthy person who chooses to be obsessed with his or her work and work this way, what are you saying about them? That they actually do "work hard?" Or harder than the working class? They don't. Even if you want to compare some McDonald's cashier wage slave with no responsibility performing completely brainless and menial tasks, the "hard working entrepeneur" myth bullshit person you're talking about has the security of choosing to be an "entrepeneur" (I love the use of this word as some kind of sanitized, forward looking capitalist btw), people like that don't start from nothing and work 80 hours a week and build something from scratch. The McDonald's wage slave is dependent on that job or a similarly low skilled job for their very survival. There is a difference between "working hard" on what is essentially a big fucking hobby and working for the survival of yourself and your family. And who is making money off the latter? These fucking "entrepeneurs" you're talking up like a Republican presidential candidate. These people overwhelmingly come from the middle and upper classes. They have assets. They work like this because its what they like to do in life and they want to make more money. They are "good at what they do" as you say because they are the only classes who have the chance to do these things, the working class does not have access to the education and resources that allow these opportunities.

You are completely unable to evaluate capitalist society in an objective, scientific way. You completely ignore the global structure of oppression and exploitation ("i understand many places around the world have non-existent/relaxed labor laws, or at least governments willing to bend them for one incentive or another, and pieces of shit take advantage of this with long work weeks etc - however...*droning paragraph about how hard it is to be a CEO*") and focus on vulgar individualist platitudes based on "people you know" and liberal capitalist propaganda. You do not understand the difference between owning the means of production and laboring under those owners for survival.

"Healthy lifestyle books" lmfao. "Feel sorry for these people, sometimes they have to pay $30 for self help books and another few hundred for a seminar on mindfulness just to get through their lives." I would believe you were trolling if you hadn't repeatedly shown yourself to actually be this stupid.

also, i never said CEO's "deserve their money" and I made sure to clarify this more than once. your bad again

You're bad for making this argument and then saying "I'm not making that argument!" as if that changes the actual content of what you're writing. "I'm not saying child molesters are not monsters deserving of more pity than their victims, but *writes one sentence about how its bad to be molested and then a bazillion sentences about how hard it is to be someone who wants to fuck kids*

they aren't just sipping pina colada's 24/7 on beaches as jon seems to think.

Now who's twisting people's words? Jon and I obviously don't think a CEO literally spends 24/7 on the beach. We both believe they are enormously wealthy and privileged people compared to the rest of the world and most people in the world would gladly trade their life for that one, including the supposed 80 hour work week you keep harping on. Are you actually going to argue otherwise? If not, what the fuck is your point? Some people who run companies work a lot because they are capitalist leeches obsessed with money? Okay Swift, that's true! Can you shut the fuck up unless you have a point?

granted ceo is a very broad term and job description/tasks for these individuals can vary greatly from company to company - most are picked carefully by the company and have to answer to a board of directors, chairman etc who ultimately reports back to purely profit motivated shareholders... but this "hey lets just hire billy because we like billy and then we'll just fucking pay him a high 6 or even 7 figure salary with amazing benefits so that he can fuck around and be a rich bastard while not attending to our multi-million/billion dollar company" is absurd. these mother fuckers all want a quality ceo who works both hard and smart because his/her direction/risks will reflect on the board of directors greatly who ultimately are always out of a job if the shareholders want it so.

You're now arguing capitalism is a meritocracy and nepotism is practically nonexistent? Jesus.

And before you accuse me of strawmanning you, this is what you said. "The idea that they are just going to hire their friends and pay them a 6 or 7 figure salary is absurd, they want a quality CEO" (paraphrase). Are you really this fucking stupid? Besides naked nepotism that exists in practically any human organization where friends or family members or people closer to the authority receive beneficial promotions and pay, what about the fact that the vast majority of the planet is barred from these positions not because of merit, but because their class position completely bars them from accessing the resources they would need to enter into these positions?
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« Reply #417 on: September 24, 2015, 07:55:47 AM »
thats all i am saying. minus the liberation from their lives part of course O_o

Yeah lets have a reasonable discussion with the people who enslave the planet for profit.
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« Reply #418 on: September 24, 2015, 10:26:02 AM »
how do you get your evidence? i'll admit that i only have a limited amount of real life examples i rely on, none of which are real life persons that head up mega companies like nike or something
your opinions are false, and they help to propagate the demonization of the poor and the myth that the poor don't work hard.
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« Reply #419 on: September 24, 2015, 10:51:03 AM »
how do you get your evidence? i'll admit that i only have a limited amount of real life examples i rely on, none of which are real life persons that head up mega companies like nike or something

Some people can read you fucktard.