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Title: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 23, 2017, 04:41:38 AM
Ran straight to my base with first peon
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: I hate naggers on September 23, 2017, 05:20:02 AM
even if he hax, he wont be caught with ss request
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 23, 2017, 03:30:26 PM
I'm in Jersey rn ill look into this when I get home.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 23, 2017, 07:42:07 PM
I'm sure you mean well but I think it's best if we let the unbiased admins deal with this. (Ie. the ones that havn't set me on blocked user list due to enragement that I beat them in 1s series).
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 23, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
@BabyShark

You are on my ignore list on the forums because I don't like reading your posts. They hold little content and entertainment value on my end and I've found I enjoyed the forums more after placing you on it.
You being on my ignore list has little on no impact on server related issues.

Now back to your SS request. Do you have an ss of the "/ping"?
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 23, 2017, 09:18:44 PM
Maybe you could give me lessons on how to write high quality posts like how to have sex with my cousin or intellectually advanced gems like this one:

I demand an other option which would give me a ablity to extend my tongue up to 6inches to go down on women. LOL

...and in return, I'll give you lessons on how to play W2.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 23, 2017, 09:39:31 PM
^^Yes I like to please my women.

I have 0 interest in having a flame war with you. I tried to help you with your ss request it seems you are refusing my help. So with that I am going back to ignoring you.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 23, 2017, 10:39:02 PM
Ran straight to my base with first peon

FYI everyone scouts 9 with their 1st peon when they spawn 11.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 23, 2017, 10:48:07 PM
Ran straight to my base with first peon

FYI everyone scouts 9 with their 1st peon when they spawn 11.


He didn't start 11; I did. He also did not start at 9.

 
^^Yes I like to please my women.

Even if you managed to deposit your breeding granules at some female orifice where 20+ other currency-laden males had recently left theirs, I would not say that qualifies her as being "yours."

I have 0 interest in having a flame war with you.

Smart choice. You'd lose.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 23, 2017, 11:56:52 PM
Even if you managed to deposit your breeding granules at some female orifice where 20+ other currency-laden males had recently left theirs, I would not say that qualifies her as being "yours."

I enjoy sex with women. And I enjoy pleasing the women I have sex with. Whether or not they are "mine" or not means nothing to me. Mine today someone else's tomorrow, that's life.
It would seem we have very different outlooks of it. 
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: I hate naggers on September 24, 2017, 02:40:12 AM
Im sure babyshark is a single mom
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: I hate naggers on September 24, 2017, 09:52:40 AM
there's lots of tells. try juggling the words some more, maybe it will make a husband appear
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: woofy on September 26, 2017, 02:20:52 AM
just to be clear, is this a troll thread?

1- you need to include /ping in ss's to prove the person you're requesting ss from isn't a spoof
2- pscouting 9/11 first in 1v1/2v2 is super-standard as 9/11 dual is strongest strat in the map and there's a ~63% chance it's hot in 1v1 if the opponent is prone to dualing (6/8 generally move to s9 to dual 9, 11 duals 9 also, so knowing 5 of the starting 8 spots = 62.5%)
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 28, 2017, 05:32:25 PM
just to be clear, is this a troll thread?

BS clearly wanted to know why she was on my ignore list. Why else would she make a thread about an SS refusal and then never produce the proper SS's for the request.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 28, 2017, 05:43:49 PM
The proper SS's were never provided in Lethal~Viruz' case either, and he received a ban.

There is no ss proof that Lethal~Viruz was, in fact, white in the game in question for which he was banned for ss refusal to orcdude11 who turned out to be Yamon in the debacle that showed the entire W2 community that some people are bannable and others are not.

I observed from my twitch stream, however, that in Swift's case, I had turned on vision at the beginning of the game so he did have a legitimate way also to know my start location, but I'm not sure that should get him off the hook for needing to provide SS when asked. Just sayin'.

Also, I welcome you adding me back to your ignore list since I don't enjoy reading your racist or sexist remarks either, or reading obscene content about incest or other immoral practices. It's clear that there are a number of people who are immune to repercussions for SS refusals while others are banned promptly, which makes your admin status not fruitful or beneficial to me in any way. D@ta also refused 100% legit SS request with all SS proof available and faced no penalty at any time, just mocked the asker as being a newb.

So whether you're "ignoring" me or not, any SS-related issues I have will not be dealt with fairly anyways, so not much point in putting on a face of pretending to care unless one of your pet players is the one looking for it.

I'm not gonna get my panties in a bunch over D@ta, though, as I've more or less accepted the status quo, and I've lately lost interest in playing W2 anyways.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 28, 2017, 06:12:53 PM
^^lol such rage. Say you love me Babyshark

What is this nonsense about me ignoring an SS refusal from "d@ta"
There is no such thread on the server board.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 28, 2017, 06:27:41 PM
I do love you but in the way that I love all people because God made them, but surely not in the way that your words bring me any personal pleasure. I'm called to love even enemies and people who hate and persecute me, and I wouldn't quite stick you in those categories.

I find you someone very difficult to respect. I try, though.

The D@ta SS refusal thread is in the Moderated Section.

I was enraged at the time of Lethal~Viruz, one of my best W2 friends, getting banned at the hands of one of the worst-behaved game-ruiners W2 has ever seen. Sure, I wanted justice and revenge. But even while making my most enraged posts, I'd be intermittently laughing, knowing that it's only a silly video game.

I don't enrage easily. But injustice and abuse of power have that effect on a lot of people, especially when it comes to real life rather than a video game.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 28, 2017, 06:36:38 PM
Okay BS you know perfectly well all server related issues belong in the "server" section. Not the general discussion board, so don't get mad at me for not seeing it. Im currently not viewing that board but I will look into this thread when I get home tonight.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 28, 2017, 06:43:48 PM
^^let all out BS you seem pent up.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 07:57:55 PM
I observed from my twitch stream, however, that in Swift's case, I had turned on vision at the beginning of the game so he did have a legitimate way also to know my start location, but I'm not sure that should get him off the hook for needing to provide SS when asked. Just sayin'.
If you have it saved this would actually verify that swift was purple, and then if he couldn't produce the ss he could in fact be banned for the crime of walking his peon to your town when you gave him vision..

I think another mod said they were going to check with d@ta.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LTFan on September 28, 2017, 08:05:49 PM
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/176858131 (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/176858131)
http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20170923082715_000692 (http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20170923082715_000692)
Justice must be served.
vod to see the request
and game report since vod only shows lobby and in game to prove its not spoof
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 28, 2017, 08:50:12 PM
@Swift chime in please
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 08:50:58 PM
I think it's quite petty to try to get people banned from playing this game in order to exact vengeance on them.  but it's not hard to take a ss so whatever
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 28, 2017, 08:53:14 PM
^^I hear you
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LTFan on September 28, 2017, 08:56:56 PM
It does not matter what the reasoning behind the SS request is. The SS was requested and it has not been posted. It has now been 5 days that this thread has been up here so Swifts side of the story no longer matters. A ban must take place for either the denial of a SS of the delaying of posting a SS.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 28, 2017, 09:16:03 PM
The SS in question was posted incorrectly and the person who requested it in this case babyshark went on a huge rant about injustices on the server and seemed to abandon said SS request.
Only today after 5 days has this SS request been accepted.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: mousEtopher on September 28, 2017, 09:16:38 PM
It does not matter what the reasoning behind the SS request is. The SS was requested and it has not been posted. It has now been 5 days that this thread has been up here so Swifts side of the story no longer matters. A ban must take place for either the denial of a SS of the delaying of posting a SS.
now now, let's not be hasty. the accussee shouldn't have to bear the fallout just because admins failed to follow up in a timely fashion... innocent until proven guilty, man!
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LTFan on September 28, 2017, 09:18:12 PM
You admins and your policies on SS requests are absurd. In the heat of the moment not everyone has the presence of mind to do 20 different things in a 3 seconds time span in order to satisfy your laziness. It took me 10 seconds to find the game report for that game and theres no reason you guys cant do the same. So enough with this 'Not posted correctly shit'
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LTFan on September 28, 2017, 09:21:14 PM
Mouse, While I appreciate that truly, he still knew the SS had been requested 5 days ago and had not posted it in a timely fashion. That does justify a 1 week ban for failure to post a SS.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 28, 2017, 09:28:50 PM
@LTFan tell me something ive heard you insist on numerous occasions that players like teaboy and swift hack.
What hacks do you believe them to be using?
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LTFan on September 28, 2017, 09:33:27 PM
G3mini has map hacked for the past how many years and I am absolutely not the only person to say it, and he has also denied MANY ss's over the past 7-8 years. I have never come forth and said  I believe Kyle hacks but the rules are the rules and hes gotten his special treatment in the past along with his lackie Yamon who has denied numerous ss's and gotten away with weak punishments.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 28, 2017, 09:34:16 PM
No im asking what actual program you belive them to be using.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: mousEtopher on September 28, 2017, 09:35:34 PM
wtf no wrong our ss policies are great and rightly designed to protect the innocent from unjust persecution! if hacking @ war2 is really such a huge offensive crime then it's clearly worth the extra 1.5 seconds or w/e it takes to type /ping and ss it on the part of the requestor
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 09:37:42 PM
It does not matter what the reasoning behind the SS request is. The SS was requested and it has not been posted. It has now been 5 days that this thread has been up here so Swifts side of the story no longer matters. A ban must take place for either the denial of a SS of the delaying of posting a SS.
i didnt say it "mattered" as it pertains to the rules, only that it's depressing immature behavior to try to get your enemies banned not because you think they hack but because u mad

Mouse, While I appreciate that truly, he still knew the SS had been requested 5 days ago and had not posted it in a timely fashion. That does justify a 1 week ban for failure to post a SS.
please.  now you're just being bloodthirsty and completely unfair.  a lot of people find spurious ss requests annoying and do not post a ss until the accuser has done their part of the request.  messiah springs to mind, and there's clear precedent there, where i sided with him; if someone wants a ss from another player the accused person SHOULD just be accommodating and post, but they dont *need* to post until the requester puts forward their screens, the thinking here being that if youre going to bother someone else (who probably has AH on as well but thats neither here nor there i suppose) with the inconvenience of posting you should be willing to do your part too.  it was only today i read babyshark talking about having a video and i immediately, despite my reservations, made a reply about it.  swift does ont get banned on the spot here, he gets to be informed that the request has been completed. 

please don't be rude and vindictive, we are pursuing this already despite it being a charade
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LTFan on September 28, 2017, 09:39:59 PM
I have no idea what program they would be using nor would I even be able to guess since I dont look around for warcraft 2 hacks, no your ss policies are designed to protect the accused against people that are in a frazzled mind set because they believe they are being hacked against. I know for sure when I think someones hacking the only thing i think about is saying 'Hey you SS' and not oh boy i better take a SS of /ping and also a SS of the allies/chat screen as well.
and blid you know damn well the reason yamon requested a SS from deathknight was purely out of anger that he was losing to newbs
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 09:41:11 PM
i dont even know who deathknight is. i dont remember what youre talking about but it's always shitty to fuck w/ people via ss requests.

however we try to uphold the rules just the same
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LTFan on September 28, 2017, 09:46:11 PM
My mistake, it was Lethal~Viruz. But thats besides the point, this has nothing to do with vindictiveness on my end. Kyle knows the rules of the server as hes had his run ins with this crap before. 10 seconds it took to find the game report which coincides with the game that was played when you check unit counts and resources. Had i seen this thread earlier I would have gone and got the game report since no one else seems to know how to do fact checking. but the point still stands shark posted her ss's 5 days ago and not a word has come from kyle and even in the video she says to him that she will be posting this on the forum. so he was well aware of what was going to happen. thats a blatant disregard of server rules
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 09:52:44 PM
My mistake, it was Lethal~Viruz. But thats besides the point, this has nothing to do with vindictiveness on my end. Kyle knows the rules of the server as hes had his run ins with this crap before. 10 seconds it took to find the game report which coincides with the game that was played when you check unit counts and resources. Had i seen this thread earlier I would have gone and got the game report since no one else seems to know how to do fact checking. but the point still stands shark posted her ss's 5 days ago and not a word has come from kyle and even in the video she says to him that she will be posting this on the forum. so he was well aware of what was going to happen. thats a blatant disregard of server rules
ok well that guy said "im not going to post everyone knows i dont hack."  i dont know if the request was in good faith or not but he left us with no choice, same as we'll have no choice with swift if he doenst come forward with a ss and if babyshark requests the ban.  but "5 days" doesnt mean anything if the validity of the request was being debated until now.  people dont have to post a ss until a valid request is made.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LTFan on September 28, 2017, 09:56:07 PM
Well then why dont we go the extra mile just to make sure the person being requested is the real person and ask for Drivers licenses social security cards and birth certificates while we are at it since theres already so many different things that go into making a request 'valid'
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 09:58:07 PM
please dont troll.  the only thing necessary is proving you asked the person and they saw it, which is, like, pretty understandable i feel?  like i hope you appreciate i caught onto the detail of bs mentioning there being a video and pursued it.  im not trying to protect anyone just trying to do the rules even if it bums me out
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LTFan on September 28, 2017, 09:59:51 PM
If you consider my request trolling then you must understand how I see these silly validation requests.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 10:02:20 PM
obviously youre being snippy and sarcastic when you equate our ss request requirements (which can lead to active players being banned from our small community) to posting social security numbers.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 10:03:40 PM
luckily i am mature and objective amd will not let your attitude cloud my judgment
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LTFan on September 28, 2017, 10:06:36 PM
Im simply stating that these SS requirements are entirely overkill. Babyshark was playing a 1v1 with Kyle with 1 spectator. She did not have the 'proper ss' so instead of saying your request isnt valid
simply go to http://ladder.war2.ru/oldgames.php (http://ladder.war2.ru/oldgames.php) click on games played over last month hit CTRL+F type 'babyshark' and voila you find a game where kyle and babyshark have 1v1ed with stats that coincide to the match played all in under a minute instead of waiting 5 days for all this to go through and god forbid if kyle was hacking hes now had 5 days to enjoy modifying that ss
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 10:15:14 PM
thats not as reasonable as you pretend it is.  we see a thread about a ss rquest and we're supposed to go take it on ourselves to check peoples ladder pages and then "stats that coincide to the match played" even though the two attachments in the OP dont have any stats?  huh?  we're talking about getting people banned, if you want someone banned we always have and always will try to err on the side of caution.

ill tell you what i did, i saw this thread, saw tora say he was gonna look at it in a bit, and then checked again in a few days and saw woofy asking if it was a troll request, so i continued to not think too mcuh about it, then it was dormant until today when i checked again and followed up on something i noticed that could make the request valid.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LTFan on September 28, 2017, 10:18:10 PM
Well then Ill tell you what from now on Im going to check the forums everyday and ill go ahead and take the 2 minutes a week it takes to check the SS's see how long the games been going for see the kind of game it is then go check the oldgames log and find the game report for you guys.
Because to be honest with you its quite easy to see that this was a very low stat game, while I understand it may be harder for a game that lasts 20+ minutes this one is quite simple to fact check.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 28, 2017, 10:20:30 PM
Lethal~Viruz, who was banned and smeared with hacker title, was penalized in spite of there not being "proper SS protocol" followed, according to the SS Guidelines here: http://en.war2.ru/support/how-to-correctly-report-failure-to-take-a-screenshot/ (http://en.war2.ru/support/how-to-correctly-report-failure-to-take-a-screenshot/)

The color proof shot was missing. There was no evidence to prove that Lethal~Viruz was white. Lethal~Viruz' admission was taken to be adequate.

In the case of Yamon, the missing color proof charge cleared him of charges. I did later find it on my computer since I didn't realize the SS's get stuck in any empty holes in the SS list instead of being all back to back. But all the same, Yamon's admission that he was orange and thought the SS request was a joke was not taken to be adequate.

In lieu of banning your most favorite, most protected player, I will be satisfied if a public apology is issued to Lethal~Viruz for failing to follow due process of law prior to his punishment, in which his name is cleared of hacking claims, signed by all the admins, and a clarification of current SS rules be presented to the community so that the rules are the same for everyone and upheld in the same manner for all players.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 10:27:11 PM
your boy Fake Viruz came forward and admitted it was him in the game and that he did indeed refuse the ss.  am i wrong abut that?  of course he was banned, what else were we to do
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 28, 2017, 10:28:49 PM
Yamon also admitted that he saw the SS request and thought it was a joke.

I was simply the one who responded to the SS request as a joke.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 10:30:13 PM
why must we once again readjudicate these episodes; it was months ago.  let go of your grudges, such scorekeeping lends itself to rot and decay in relationships and communities. are we going to be here in 10 years talking about Fake Viruz?  My friends
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 28, 2017, 10:31:17 PM
Whenever new cases come to law in courts, they rely on old cases to help them decide the current cases.

This is called "precedent".

This is nothing to do with grudges. Yamon and Swift are both dear buddies of mine and I really hope they never get banned. I would miss them a lot.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 10:34:30 PM
i know what precedent means lmao.  when you doggedly pursue items solely for the purpose of keeping consistent with precedent rather than for the purpose of striving toward justice, you are being myopic.  of course we will try to make fair and impartial judgments and be consistent with established rules, i am not abdicating thatr posture.  simply saying, "lol"
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 28, 2017, 10:37:34 PM
the petty worship of rules and letters for their own sake rather than for the purpose behind them is the way of the one known as , Claw
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 29, 2017, 12:16:06 AM
It is justice I would like to see. Part of justice is following set standards equally for everyone and desisting from favoritism and unfair treatment.

As far as I know, there has also been no punitive action taken against D@ta for SS refusal, which has been posted in Moderated Section for some time now, apparently 8 days.

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3528.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3528.0.html)

This one includes /ping and color shot both.

This really is nothing to do with grudges. I personally like to keep on the lighter and happier side of life as much as possible by refusing to let bitterness, grudges, or the like drag me into an unpleasant way of existing. I don't take the game overly seriously and I love to laugh and have a good time. I will, however, stand up to people who are bullies or abusers, especially if someone messes with someone I count as a friend.

Trying to make this about my motives or my mindset is a flimsy attempt to draw attention away from the facts of the matter, that the evidence in Lethal~Viruz case and Yamon case was identical, yet one was banned and one was not. Unequal treatment.

Yamon presents SS request and he gets instant service and ban for the accused.

BabyShark presents 100% legit SS request with full evidence for D@ta that gets ignored for a week.

But I let it go. I stopped thinking about it until someone else started posting in this thread again. I have better things do with my life than chase down smurf SS dodgers.

But in the case of Yamon and Lethal~Viruz, Viruz being a good friend that I know is a good guy and non-hacker who didn't take the ss request seriously only because it was coming from an "orcdude11" who was raging because he was losing on a team of 2 with kanca versus Lethal~Viruz alone, I felt compelled to stick up for my friend. Besides Lethal~Viruz being a good guy and friend, I also have a long history of observing Yamon's behavior patterns including him bsing me, discing games numerous times, not building, being rude, etc, that this was a case of the bully beating up on an innocent victim, and the victim being punished by the "authority."

That was injustice.

I'll stick up for anyone that I feel is being unfairly accused. Blid, I've even stuck up for you, numerous times, when people attack the admins. Cuz in spite of everything, I think you're probably still salvageable.

I honestly am not even looking to have anyone banned from the server at this point. The server is poorly-populated enough as it is. I would like to see D@ta at least given a warning, though, if an instant ban for first time offense isn't going to be the protocol (unless it's a smurf of a known player who knows the rules and/or is a repeat offender).

I just think it would be nice to have equal treatment for everyone. Since Yamon has not been given a ban when Lethal~VIruz has, I think the best course of action here would be to issue a public apology to Lethal~Viruz since the correct evidence (color proof shot) was missing, exactly the same as it was missing at the time in the case of Yamon. His name should also be cleared of all hacking accusations.

And I think the admins should decide and settle on the SS policy so that everyone is being treated the same, and publicize their decisions so everyone knows what punishment (warning, ban, how long of a ban, etc.) is the norm for what infractions and whether there is to be a different standard for new players, first time offenders, repeat offenders, etc..

Also, the requirements for a valid SS request need to be ironed out and reiterated so there is no confusion or gray area.

Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 29, 2017, 01:29:00 AM
wow 2 pages since my last post here

@LTFan

I have no idea what program they would be using nor would I even be able to guess since I dont look around for warcraft 2 hacks, no your ss policies are designed to protect the accused against people that are in a frazzled mind set because they believe they are being hacked against. I know for sure when I think someones hacking the only thing i think about is saying 'Hey you SS' and not oh boy i better take a SS of /ping and also a SS of the allies/chat screen as well.
and blid you know damn well the reason yamon requested a SS from deathknight was purely out of anger that he was losing to newbs


If you don't know the hacks that are there how do you know if you are being hacked against?

Recently I did some actual research to see what hacks currently existed and what would work on the server.
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3303.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3303.0.html)

The most common hacks that were used in the early 2000s were programs called "Warcrap, Alt-Tab Viewer MasterHack, and a few others. All of which are easily found thru goggle and downloadable online.
The current Anti-Hack which most players have installed easily detects all the downloadable hacks from goggle.
The only way someone could hack on the server without triggering the AH would be if they are using an original war2 CD, or they modded there own new hacks to bypass the AH.
While it is true there are example of players doing the latter, players aren't developing their own personal hacks to bypass the AH.
The only person actively hacking on the server at this point is dellam.


Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 29, 2017, 01:30:21 AM
With that being said the SS policy is still being enforced on RU so if swift doesn't post he will receive the same ban Lethal~Viruz served.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: woofy on September 29, 2017, 01:41:07 AM
impressive critical reasoning abilities aside (props bshark, lt, and blid), and bshark's request to not actually having anybody banned, i think the mods/admins can take this as a valuable lesson in moderating consistency. maybe re-stickying the server rules (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,38.0.html thread) thread, and a reminder (i'll /w kyle next time i see him online) of server rules to the more hard-core members of the community would be suffice?

let's be real here guys, this server could do with retaining as many players as possible without getting so draconian about the server rules when there's obv no blatant cheating going on
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: woofy on September 29, 2017, 01:43:35 AM
With that being said the SS policy is still being enforced on RU so if swift doesn't post he will receive the same ban Lethal~Viruz served.


also, the reason i asked if she took/ping (which has been policy for several years now, without issue)

"If you see someone buildhacking you can take a screenshot of the evidence in addition to an in-game /ping and submit it to a server admin to report the hacker."
- http://en.war2.ru/about/screenshot-policy/ (http://en.war2.ru/about/screenshot-policy/)
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Swift on September 29, 2017, 01:57:49 AM
yes
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: I hate naggers on September 29, 2017, 01:58:37 AM
people vis others, then ask for ss? fucking retard
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 29, 2017, 06:42:21 AM
people vis others, then ask for ss? fucking retard

Claw, with how long you've been around, you should know that vising others is a commonly used hack-test to see if they acknowledge that vision had been shared. Non-hackers of advanced skill tend to notice immediately. Hackers have less awareness of vision being shared because they are able to see the entire map (Fog of War is removed).

This childish name-calling from you is an example of why you were banned from the Moderated Section of W2 Froum.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Yamon on September 29, 2017, 06:55:11 AM
people vis others, then ask for ss? fucking retard


Claw, with how long you've been around, you should know that vising others is a commonly used hack-test to see if they acknowledge that vision had been shared. Non-hackers of advanced skill tend to notice immediately. Hackers have less awareness of vision being shared because they are able to see the entire map (Fog of War is removed).

This childish name-calling from you is an example of why you were banned from the Moderated Section of W2 Froum.

so they're going 300 apm in a game and they're supposed to notice the dot of your peon on the mini-map?
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Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 29, 2017, 06:58:26 AM
If you have attained APM over 300, and are able to provide evidence of such, I think that's a topic for a brand new APM record/celebration thread.

300 is pretty high.

Do you have any SS's or Warvids or Twitch vids to share to back up these claims?

I would like to see! Wow 300. So fast.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: I hate naggers on September 29, 2017, 07:04:24 AM
i never mention it when a tard vises me. it serves no purpose, if youre going to ask for ss, ask for ss.

luckily for me, nobody really asks me for ss anymore! even when I guessed vizzers position twice in a row during one of the recent tournaments
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 29, 2017, 07:15:42 AM
The chance of correctly guessing someone's position 2 games in a row on an 8 player map is 2%.

(1/7)^2 = 0.02

Combine that with your never mentioning shared vision...

Looks like statistically there is a 98% + chance that you yourself hack.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: I hate naggers on September 29, 2017, 07:46:34 AM
The chance of correctly guessing someone's position 2 games in a row on an 8 player map is 2%.

(1/7)^2 = 0.02

Combine that with your never mentioning shared vision...

Looks like statistically there is a 98% + chance that you yourself hack.
luckily captain claw the invincible is one of the greatest war2 players and his reputation is spotless
solid logic btw! 100% - chance_of_something_happening = chance_that_you_hack
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Swift on September 29, 2017, 10:56:37 AM
Babyshark, go ahead now and inform the people that this wasn't a sincere SS request and that is was all under the context of you playing the part within your silly tutorial joke. Thanks.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 29, 2017, 11:07:19 AM
BabyShark presents 100% legit SS request with full evidence for D@ta that gets ignored for a week.


http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3528.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3528.0.html)

Why did you post the refusal in the "moderated board?" You know full well threads like this one are supposed to be posted in the server board. Or better yet when you noticed the SS request was getting ignored why didn't you pm one of the admins to ask what was going on?
Mousey did reply to you in said thread so it wasn't completely ignored, but I will tell you I didn't notice this thread until last night.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 29, 2017, 11:07:25 AM
Whisper to Swift (But...I thought you said you took the SS? Was that not sincere??)
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 29, 2017, 11:08:47 AM
@~ToRa~ I tried to message you privately but I got an error message saying I was blocked from sending to that user. :/
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 29, 2017, 11:11:28 AM
@Swift you have until 3pm Eastern time today to post the SS in question. After which you will receive a ban from 09/29/2017 3pm Eastern- 10/01/2017 12am Eastern.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 29, 2017, 11:12:40 AM
@~ToRa~ I tried to message you privately but I got an error message saying I was blocked from sending to that user. :/

Lol bs u can still send pm's and I can still see your posts. However I have the option to view it or not.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Swift on September 29, 2017, 11:15:55 AM
last chance bp, please come clean about this troll job.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 29, 2017, 11:24:34 AM
Whisper to Swift (Can't you just get Ogremage to impersonate you again like with Critterhemd? You really don't have the SS??)

(And what does last chance mean? What are you threatening to do to me? :o I'm a bit nervous now.)
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Swift on September 29, 2017, 11:28:25 AM
I don't have the SS, because it was not a real request.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 29, 2017, 11:29:28 AM
I'm going to drop all charges against Swift at this time. I don't want any harm to come to my family.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 29, 2017, 11:36:54 AM
^^Oh no swift has to post this SS. Are you saying this was an illegitimate SS request? He fails to post he will be banned. Should be a 1 week in truth.

3pm Eastern so 3 hours from now, it must be posted.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 29, 2017, 11:54:02 AM
Yes it was illegitimate as I didn't get the color shot of Allies screen.

Also I dropped the charges so there's no need to pursue this further unless you've devised a witess protection program.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 29, 2017, 11:59:45 AM
I find it odd that you would post for pages and then simply "drop the charges."

I don't have the SS, because it was not a real request.

Swift hasnt even said a word this whole thread other than "he doesn't have it." And "its a troll job."

Was this SS request done because you believed swift was hacking or not?
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: I hate naggers on September 29, 2017, 12:25:38 PM
tora, youre getting trolled. ban swift for refusing or ban bs for wasting everyones time (or acknowledge your wasted time/energy), in the end they will bitch about anything you decide to do
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 29, 2017, 12:34:39 PM
tora, youre getting trolled.

I can see that. Now I want to know, was this real SS request or was it not. Because if this was just a troll job it should be made public.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 29, 2017, 01:25:08 PM
last chance bp, please come clean about this troll job.

If "last chance" can be explained as anything other than a threat, I'd like to hear it.

Otherwise, I'm going to prioritize safety over some silly video game.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 29, 2017, 01:46:50 PM
BabyShark presents 100% legit SS request with full evidence for D@ta that gets ignored for a week.


[url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3528.0.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3528.0.html[/url])

Why did you post the refusal in the "moderated board?" You know full well threads like this one are supposed to be posted in the server board. Or better yet when you noticed the SS request was getting ignored why didn't you pm one of the admins to ask what was going on?
Mousey did reply to you in said thread so it wasn't completely ignored, but I will tell you I didn't notice this thread until last night.

I saw it around the time it was posted and saw Mouse say she was looking into it...
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 29, 2017, 01:48:12 PM
last chance bp, please come clean about this troll job.

If "last chance" can be explained as anything other than a threat, I'd like to hear it.

Otherwise, I'm going to prioritize safety over some silly video game.
It's obviously not a threat to your well-being, lol.  He probably means if you demand the ss he'll post some screens with msgs from you in them where you say things that he thinks reflect badly on you or make the request invalid.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 29, 2017, 01:51:11 PM
Anyway I see it's posted
(http://ss.war2.ru/ss/9494.gif)
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Swift on September 29, 2017, 02:09:02 PM
Don't join my games anymore, BabyShark. I am not interested in giving more opportunities to a two time failed "framer".

We were on discord together with plop, you were for sure aware that you vised me, and you know full well that given the whole context of the game, the tutorial, and our convo on discord that it was not a sincere SS request.  I am not interested in having an argument with you, because we both know what happened and what you are trying to pull here.

Anyway, I am out of this thread, and you're permanently out of any games I'm involved in.  Lie away.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on September 29, 2017, 02:15:01 PM
Posting SS's you don't have is a neat trick. You'll have to show me that one sometime.

I'm so glad you were able to locate this SS so you don't have to face the same penalties for failure to post that Lethal~Viruz a̶n̶d̶ ̶Y̶a̶m̶o̶n̶ ̶w̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶d̶e̶a̶l̶t̶ was dealt for not posting SS.

I'm a little confused about why you said you don't have an SS if you do have it, and about how it materialized if you didn't lie about not having it.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: I hate naggers on September 29, 2017, 02:17:45 PM
Posting SS's you don't have is a neat trick. You'll have to show me that one sometime.
i can show you! its pretty easy. option 1 is that you only remove buildings and mines without fucking up colors palette (1/10 in terms of difficulty) or even forge the entire minimap! (3/10)
private lesson costs 40$
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Lawdy on October 03, 2017, 10:41:51 AM
If only you guys put as much effort into getting new players into the community as you do bickering on the forums.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2017, 11:56:47 AM
^^ oh please. I spend 2-3 hours hosting public games for players of all skill sets every morning. Majority of vets host private games and only play with their friends.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Winchester on October 03, 2017, 12:34:58 PM
Lawdy ain't wrong though, your just a small percentage there tora who'll let newer people play. New players generally have to go above and beyond if they want to stay here and become a member of the community, which for a game they just downloaded, is something that's unreasonable for us to expect.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2017, 12:55:44 PM
I won't disagree at all. I do think players who care about this game should spend 1 hour hosting public games for everyone before they  go private. Unfortunately this will probably never happen.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2017, 01:08:15 PM
There seems to be an attitude on the server that says, "If I play with a bad player I will become bad."
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: woofy on October 04, 2017, 12:04:19 AM
i, too, host "fun" games 80% of the time where i balance out noobs and regs. however, there should be no obligation for the regulars to force newer players to play with them. that said, it's probably even better/fairer for all involved to simply allow the newer players to watch and learn rather than play in a 30-second game with seasoned veterans before having their 3 farms and 2 halls mauled by 9 lusted ogres within the first 8 minutes.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 04, 2017, 01:13:44 AM
i, too, host "fun" games 80% of the time where i balance out noobs and regs. however, there should be no obligation for the regulars to force newer players to play with them. that said, it's probably even better/fairer for all involved to simply allow the newer players to watch and learn rather than play in a 30-second game with seasoned veterans before having their 3 farms and 2 halls mauled by 9 lusted ogres within the first 8 minutes.

There is no end to making players "watch and learn." There is only so much watching someone can do. Look at warhammer, he has watched 1000s of games and yet despite that nobody would say he is any good.
Players at the top tier rarely host public games and even when they do they usually make everyone except players along their skill set watch.
Thou I will say dugs, your not as bad as most of the other top tier players. I won't say names thou I dearly would like to.

@eyyy im walkin here what was that post you had about new players on RU?
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 04, 2017, 10:20:48 AM
Lol Warhammer is fine.

I don't know what post you mean.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 04, 2017, 11:33:02 AM
^^the one in blue text. About new players thats written mad funny.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 04, 2017, 12:11:11 PM
oh yeah I remember that one.
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 04, 2017, 12:28:07 PM
(pop up that wont close and keeps poping back up)Hello new user!!  Before You PLay, Read this dfirst (really please read or you wont know whats going on ya dumb noob, lol)

Welcome to this community, Warcraf 2 (War2 for short, not wc2) is a classic game that is stil lgreat today, and we here have been playing this fuckin shit for 20 years now.  And our commuynity is TOXIC hahah!!

Anyway long storey short the pros here dont have time for you.  We Will berate you and boot you from our games, until you get good, because ne wplayerrs liek you just get in the way.  BUT DONT Dont let that stop you from playing. BEcause some day you can become a pro too and call people "noob lord scurb ass" which will make this all worth it

Anyway, when you log in, join the channel "The Chamber" which is a pretty badass name by the way.  We are putting all the noobs on a train straight to THE CHAMBER.  Here you can find other new players to play together .  Theres a bot there and if you tell the bot your skype name or something and what kind of games youre looking for it will tweet other new players and and thers a whole system worked out.    Antoher thing you can do, is join games called GOW with pros in them and watch.  Tell them you are a watcher and ally everyone and don't build and watch and learn.  Pratcie against the computer and against other nobs, or, ask a pro maybe to help train you.  Tell him you can be the next "swift" they'll know what that means
Title: Re: Another SS refusal from Swift
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 04, 2017, 01:07:17 PM
^^You know after reading that again maybe that is a good idea. Send all players to the chamber. New players will simple stay in the chamber and vets will join the war2bne channel. Then we just get some volunteers to host for new players in the chamber.