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@BabyShark

It seems that you are suggesting that Jesus Christ Himself was a "false Christ".

That is certainly not what I am suggesting.  My point is that the Bible mentions that people, other than Jesus Christ, were able to perform miracles.  Jesus Christ himself prophesised that even false Christs and false prophets would be able to do miracles and wonders to deceive people.  The Bible also shows us how Moses was able to perform miracles. Therefore, your point that Jesus Christ is God because he was able to perform miracles does not stand.


Jesus' supernatural power is not coming from Satan. Satan is the enemy of God.

Jesus' supernatural power is coming from God, obviously.

So, is Jesus just a man? Or is Jesus both fully God and fully man like the Bible teaches?

Would God give supernatural power to a liar?

Why can't God give supernatural power to Jesus Christ as a prophet and messenger?  He certainly did so with Moses (as I mentioned earlier) and many others.

And I still cannot see where the Bible teaches that Jesus is FULLY God and FULLY man... this is your own interpretation.  You are yet to produce clear proof to justify your case.

If I were to worship anyone as my God, I would like to hear that God say "I am God" or "Worship me", not some ambiguous statements or other statements by inference.

The God in the Koran says in multiple instances:

(10) And when he came to it (the fire), he was called by name: "O Mûsa (Moses)! (11) "Verily! I am your Lord! So take off your shoes, you are in the sacred valley, Tuwa. (12) "And I have chosen you. So listen to that which will be revealed (to you). (13) "Verily! I am Allâh! Lâ ilâha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I), so worship Me, and perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât) for My Remembrance. (14)  [Al-Qur'an 20:11-14]

And I (Allâh) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone). [Al-Qur'an 51:56]


John 5:18

18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

This is the jews' interpretation of Jesus Christ's statements, not Jesus Christ admitting this himself.  The jews were always looking to catch him out because they did not like his preaching.  They tried to find fault with any statement, every statement he made and accused him of blasphemy because of their deliberate misunderstanding of his words.


Jesus uses the same words that God Himself used from the burning bush with Moses to describe Himself, saying that "before Abraham was, I AM." The Jews were so angry that He was calling Himself God that they picked up stones to stone Him to death, but Jesus just supernaturally walked right through them.

Regarding the statement "before Abraham was, I AM", Jesus Christ does not actually say "I AM GOD".  He said "I AM".  So, how WAS HE?  Was he with God?  I accept that.  Jesus was with God... but then so was I, so were you, so was Muhammad, so was everybody.  How?  In what form, shape or size?  No, not in form, shape or size, but in knowledge, i.e in the knowledge of God, Jesus was there before Abraham was physically in this earth.  He knew about Jesus long before Abraham chronologically walked this earth.  God is omniscient - He knows everything.  What we know as past, present and future, for God it is all one, like an open book.  God tells Jeremiah:

"I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb.  Before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as my prophet to the nations." [Jeremiah 1:5]

How can God know Jeremiah before he went into his mother's womb???  Was Jeremiah with God?  Yes, he was there in His knowledge.


There are 3 possiblities.

1. Jesus is lying.
2. Jesus is insane.
3. Jesus is telling the truth.

The possibility that Jesus is a good man or a good human prophet does not exist, because good men and good prophets don't go around lying to people and telling everyone they are God.

Why should Jesus be either a Liar, Lunatic or Lord?  Why can't he be a true messenger of God, a good man, a human prophet?  Why should it be either black or white?  What about the endless shades of grey in between... do you see them at all?

You are basing your assumption that Jesus is God because he "claimed" to be so, but then I see you have not been able to prove it so far.


He was born of a virgin, human woman by the Holy Spirit, so He did not inherit sinfulness like all the rest of us do from our parents. Isaiah prophesied about His birth 700 years earlier. Immanuel means "God with us" and describes Jesus as being God in the flesh, here with us.

Matthew 1:18-23

18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20 But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.”

22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,”

Let's have a look at this prophecy of Isaiah.  Verse 22 says "...and they shall call His name Immanuel".  Did anyone ever call Jesus "Immanuel" during his lifetime?  The Bible certainly does not say so.  Then this prophecy is clearly not fulfilled, thus everything else you said in connection with this becomes a moot point.


Jesus took on humanity, and in His humanity, was lower than God. He did not lose His God-ness, but He took on humanity. Why??

So He could keep the law perfectly (where we cannot) so that He could become the sacrifice for our sins, and die. He needed to be human so he could take our place of punishment.

So here, my Q to you is: Did Jesus die as a man or as God?

If it's the former, then one man cannot take on the sins of mankind - that's common sense.

Then, he must have died as God?  If that's the case, that's an even bigger problem for you to solve... first of all, God dying is blasphemy, period.  Secondly, who ruled the world for 3 days and 3 nights (before his "alleged" ascension onto heaven)?


So already we can clearly see that Islam, which teaches that Jesus was just a human prophet (it is impossible to be a good human prophet when you are going around calling yourself God if you are not) is not compatible with the Bible, which teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, true God, the second person of the triune God-head with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

The only place in the Bible where the trinity is defined per se is 1 John 5:7, where it reads:

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." - [1 John 5:7 - King James Version]

This is the clearest statement on the trinity to be found in the Bible.  But judging from your quotations, I see you are using the "New American Standard Bible" and this verse is not there!  What happened? It has been taken out as a fabrication, as an interpolation, as an adulteration.

So, who took it out and why?  32 Christian scholars of the highest eminence, back by 50 cooperating Christian denominations took the verse out as a fabrication because it was not in the most ancient manuscripts.  It's an amazing situation where the most up to date bible, going back to the most ancient manuscripts does not contain the very foundation of your belief on the trinity, and YET, you still insist that the Bible teaches the trinity.

What's even more amazing is that the word "TRINITY" itself does not exist in the Bible.  The Christians have produced hundreds of different versions of the Bible but the word "TRINITY" is nowhere to be found in any of them!  The word "TRINITY" however is in the Koran, and this is what it reads:

"O people of the Book! commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an Messenger of Allah and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One Allah: glory be to him: (for Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." [Al Qur'an 4:171]


I think I've given you plenty to ponder upon.  I look forward to your reply.
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Server.War2.ru / Re: Time for new comp.. Suggestions please
« Last post by Lambchops on Today at 03:43:04 AM »
lol i couldnt build a new pc right now lol..best one i ever built was a 2 cpu dual opteron(2005 tech)....i can fill up the screen with 32 instance of emulators running..but it idles at a cool 200 watt..this consumer tri core cant most of its performance is like a 386 running win95..got a 386 50 now that is a beast can run war2bnet :P

lol im sure we can all put it together to power something on...watch out for static electricity..but i can not tell anyone whats better

why not go usb 3.0 over ssd im still 2.0 and u can use 2 for a hardrive to stop bottllenecks.

the only dam reason im not hooked to my single core laptop or p3 is browsers..played ql just as good..looks like a job for linux but lazy..my old fedora for my e-300 is on usb drives thats a damn good amd cpu also..probably in your all in one burnt

what is wrong with this pc..probably the stock compaq mobo get a good mobo<

flashback..i played halo 1 in 2008 on a dx4 100mhz/nvidia5500 gateway 2000 486 multiplayer that has to be a record mofo burn mp3sgod what a beast! if theres just someway to surf the web u could still use them

the problem is bloated..maybe reactos is good enuff to go, partition with that and boot war2 native
i really dont think games should be pushing over 1ghz
snes 3 mhz gens 12 ps2 gamecube <500 box1 a p3 733

My main PC is still a 32-bit Win XP machine Core2 Quad CPU (4x 2.66GHz) 4GB of RAM (maximum XP supports) It's got a mid-range nVidia card from a few years ago. The Gigabyte motherboard is fairly new (compared to the processor) and has USB3 Support.

I like it because it's pretty much bullet-proof and has quite good performance for a 32bit machine - and I don't have $$ to burn. The CPU will happily overclock which I did as an experiment but have never bothered doing since. The CPU fan almost never goes above idle speed.

I have been hanging on to XP tooth and nail, but it's an uphill battle as so much isn't supported anymore and eventually I'm going to have to upgrade. I dont run any really new games, so that's not really an issue. Probably the most modern game I run is something like Skyrim but I can get quite decent 3D first person performance from that. My laptop has Win7 on it and I have had various other versions of windows and/or unix running on other computers (32 and 64 bit).

An SSD is a hard drive that doesn't have magnetic disks, its basically like a great big USB stick that runs via SATA. Externally they look and operate just like a HDD but they have much faster access speeds. Having fast access speed for your system drive can be a significant performance factor. There are now PCIe SSD options available. I have never owned one, but if I was building a new system I would love one of those (PCIe slots are where you plug in video cards etc. and are capable of extremely fast I/O speeds).

USB3 has much better performance than USB2, and quite good top speeds, but isnt really ideal for running your system drive, although perhaps it could work, I've never tried. USB3 has a theoretical max of 0.625 GB/s but is more like 0.4GB/s in practice. There are PCIe controllers that support over 7GB/s. I'm not even sure if there are drives capable of that kind of performance, but still - that's some serious grunt :) Bottleneck? What bottleneck?


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Mods & Development / Re: starcraftish 1
« Last post by easycompany on Today at 12:19:02 AM »
i doubt they ever catch me i love beer and music so long
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Server.War2.ru / Re: Time for new comp.. Suggestions please
« Last post by easycompany on November 18, 2017, 11:27:51 PM »
gamecube has all the graphic caps as these consoles 20 years later your just on a ride $$$sega got the fuck out.a new cpu what you want to game they prob boring as fuck..ud rather be a dude with 3mhz and friends coming to it than this latest vr shit

The Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil -HQ - YouTube
the hurtz dnt = shit if your not having fun

each to thier own see ya later
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Server.War2.ru / Re: NWTR 1vs1 championship | November 19th @ 3pm est
« Last post by XuRnT on November 18, 2017, 11:01:32 PM »
Ehhhh might now have to cancel coming :(
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Server.War2.ru / Re: NWTR 1vs1 championship | November 19th @ 3pm est
« Last post by ~ToRa~ on November 18, 2017, 10:39:41 PM »
^^You gonna win Xurnt im calling it now. Unless you gotta face Dar of course then you will likely lose.
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Server.War2.ru / Re: Time for new comp.. Suggestions please
« Last post by easycompany on November 18, 2017, 09:48:38 PM »
lol i couldnt build a new pc right now lol..best one i ever built was a 2 cpu dual opteron(2005 tech)....i can fill up the screen with 32 instance of emulators running..but it idles at a cool 200 watt..this consumer tri core cant most of its performance is like a 386 running win95..got a 386 50 now that is a beast can run war2bnet :P

lol im sure we can all put it together to power something on...watch out for static electricity..but i can not tell anyone whats better

why not go usb 3.0 over ssd im still 2.0 and u can use 2 for a hardrive to stop bottllenecks.

the only dam reason im not hooked to my single core laptop or p3 is browsers..played ql just as good..looks like a job for linux but lazy..my old fedora for my e-300 is on usb drives thats a damn good amd cpu also..probably in your all in one burnt

what is wrong with this pc..probably the stock compaq mobo get a good mobo<

flashback..i played halo 1 in 2008 on a dx4 100mhz/nvidia5500 gateway 2000 486 multiplayer that has to be a record mofo burn mp3sgod what a beast! if theres just someway to surf the web u could still use them

the problem is bloated..maybe reactos is good enuff to go, partition with that and boot war2 native
i really dont think games should be pushing over 1ghz
snes 3 mhz gens 12 ps2 gamecube <500 box1 a p3 733
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Server.War2.ru / Re: Time for new comp.. Suggestions please
« Last post by Lambchops on November 18, 2017, 09:42:34 PM »
well i think he means u gotta keep up with the times...i was a p3 til 2014..and the sad thing it runs way better than this pc

it helps to know the ram shit idk what era ram is these days 5?

if ur gonna game good cpu+ good vcard ..everything else slap some shit together.

i waas big in it in the p4 days 3ghz omg!!!! that stopped when someone gave me a 1.3 p3 mofo! and thats why intel went back to the p3 arch cause that bitch was bad. well cheers gl getting a pc..don get a dam alien unless u can afford it

LAMBY'S 5 minute DIY puter building crash-course

- Pick a processor, make sure it has good cache speeds.

- Get a motherboard that supports it. If the CPU is "Slot-BakedBeans" get a board with a "Slot-BakedBeans"

- Make sure your motherboard supports your RAM... if your motherboard has slots for "DDR-poptarts" then get some "DDR-poptarts" RAM

- Get a nVidia video card and a solid state hard drive (SSD)

- Get a case with a good power supply

Plug everything in and don't install windows 10

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Personally I find computer parts usually are priced kind of like this:

 $1000 - OMG this is the most awesome thing ever! You need this OMG!
 $150 - stuff that was $1000 six months ago and is still 95% as good
 $120 - slightly lower spec stuff that is still ok if you're not building a space shuttle
 $90 - probably has some issues
 $80 - dodgey crap from some shitty company that also makes PVC pipe and umbrellas

The $150 stuff will build you a really nice system. A $120 stuff puter will still probaby be pretty good. A mix of the right $120-$150 stuff is usually what I go for. Sometimes the $90 things can be a good deal but research and use caution.

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These days all the bits inside a computer can only be plugged into its correct place, if it fits the socket then that's where it goes.

If there are multiple sockets of the same type they will usually be numbered from 0 thru n .... start at the 0 end.

Use normal care. Handle everything as little as possible and try not to touch the contacts, but don't panic - unless you're wearing a nylon jumpsuit and scrubbing your feet on the carpet parts rarely get damaged. Normal people can do this, you dont have to be a neurosurgeon.

If you have to attach a heatsink to a CPU, use some heat transfer paste like a thin smear of toothpaste.


Did I forget anything?
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Server.War2.ru / Re: NWTR 1vs1 championship | November 19th @ 3pm est
« Last post by XuRnT on November 18, 2017, 09:07:47 PM »
I think I will be home and hope to play in it then stream after I get rolled.
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Moderated Section of War2 Forum / Just For Fun CONTEST CENTRAL 2018!!!
« Last post by BabyShark on November 18, 2017, 08:54:17 PM »
 :peon: NEW FUN CONTESTS OPEN TO EVERYONE COMING SOON!!! :peon:

There will be new contests of various kinds starting up, at least one per month next year, plus one for December this year, during which you can earn  :peon: .

Whoever has collected the most  :peon: at the end of 2018 will win $100 USD via Paypal. In the event of a tie, a tiebreaker contest will be determined.

1. NEW MAP RE-CREATION CONTEST FOR PLAINS OF SNOW AKA POS Winner by public vote gets 5  :peon:.  DEADLINE DECEMBER 31 , 2017

2. WINNING POS MAP FROM RE-CREATION CONTEST TOURNAMENT FFA STYLE JANUARY 27, 2018 3 PM. Winner gets 4  :peon:.

3. FUNNIEST YOUTUBE VIDEO (no obscene language, nudity, etc. allowed), everyone post your the funniest video you can find. You cannot post the same video as someone who has already posted. Winner by public vote gets 3  :peon:. DEADLINE FEBRUARY 28, 2018

4. MOST BEAUTIFUL SONG IN THE WORLD CONTEST, everyone post your favorite beautiful song. You cannot post the same song/music as someone has already posted. Winner by public vote gets 3  :peon: DEADLINE MARCH 31, 2018

5. MOST ENTERTAINING WARCRAFT 2 REPLAY WITHOUT COMMENTARY Winner by public vote gets 2  :peon:
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6. BRAND NEW 8 PLAYER MAP CREATION CONTEST Winner by public vote gets 5  :peon:

7. TOURNAMENT ON BRAND NEW 8 PLAYER MAP CREATION CONTEST WINNING MAP. Each member of the winning team gets 4 :peon:.

More contests to come! More info and details soon.



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