The Guardian describes the late John McCain as a "war hero". As a pilot in Vietnam, McCain cravenly bombed a mostly undefended country of civilians. When he was skilfully brought down, his life was saved by the very people he was trying to harm. A true American plastic hero.
— John Pilger (@johnpilger) August 26, 2018
Well haha the pro life thing is funny at least, but blaming him for flying a plane that dropped bombs in a war is just stupid... or was he some 4 star super general who picked the targets then went and flew the plane as well?... if so then he should have been in the freakin A-Team, but I doubt it ;)
Not my favorite guy either really, but hardly irrelevant.
John Mcain is a better human and more successful person than you will ever aspire to be marx.
Well haha the pro life thing is funny at least, but blaming him for flying a plane that dropped bombs in a war is just stupid... or was he some 4 star super general who picked the targets then went and flew the plane as well?... if so then he should have been in the freakin A-Team, but I doubt it ;)
Not my favorite guy either really, but hardly irrelevant.
"making him accountable for his war crimes is stupid"
...the fuck is this liberal retard, smh.
Well haha the pro life thing is funny at least, but blaming him for flying a plane that dropped bombs in a war is just stupid... or was he some 4 star super general who picked the targets then went and flew the plane as well?... if so then he should have been in the freakin A-Team, but I doubt it ;)
Not my favorite guy either really, but hardly irrelevant.
"making him accountable for his war crimes is stupid"
...the fuck is this liberal retard, smh.
LMAO you don't even know what a war crime is. Go read up on that too, that's after you actually finish reading that facist doctrine you worship.
Who is more irrelevant the guy who posts memes and abuse on forums or ...... um ...... anybody at all?
Well haha the pro life thing is funny at least, but blaming him for flying a plane that dropped bombs in a war is just stupid... or was he some 4 star super general who picked the targets then went and flew the plane as well?... if so then he should have been in the freakin A-Team, but I doubt it ;)
Not my favorite guy either really, but hardly irrelevant.
"making him accountable for his war crimes is stupid"
...the fuck is this liberal retard, smh.
LMAO you don't even know what a war crime is. Go read up on that too, that's after you actually finish reading that facist doctrine you worship.
Who is more irrelevant the guy who posts memes and abuse on forums or ...... um ...... anybody at all?
Incinerating civilians with napalm is a war crime iirc
Not to mention the many other wars he helped start in his political career, all to enrich his defense contractor buddies. How brave and heroic lol
"LMAO BROWN PEOPLE BEING CHARRED BY NAPALM ISN'T A WAR CRIME U DON'T EVEN KNOW WAR CRIMES I'M HUGELY INTELLIGENT GALAXY BRAIN"
he's a war criminal unquestionably.
....a total bullshit invasion beginning under false pretenses.
disingenuous.
I agree, but it's not the pilot's war crime.
Sure, I have made no comment on any of this. I'm certainly not a fan of his politics, nor would I suggest he was heroic (in fact I think he was a bit of an asshole), but using the horrible deaths of innocent people to push your own political barrow is callous, and just as much bullshit as the people trying to paint him as a hero.
Many soldiers kill people in wars. Many of them were only there because if they refused the draft they would be jailed. It's not a voluntary system, soldiers don't pick their targets and pilots may or may not even know what they are bombing, that's why soldiers in that position are not considered war criminals.
Who was the person that planned and ordered the bombing missions you care so much about? Who was the person who approved the use of napalm by the US military in the first place? Who was the pilot of the Enola Gay? I would guess you don't know and you don't really care, because that's not the barrow you are pushing.
Attack him on his politics and you won't get any argument from me.
But seriously don't trivialize horrific war crimes by using them for your own meme trash politics. It smells bad no matter which side is doing it.
"LMAO BROWN PEOPLE BEING CHARRED BY NAPALM ISN'T A WAR CRIME U DON'T EVEN KNOW WAR CRIMES I'M HUGELY INTELLIGENT GALAXY BRAIN"
I'm kinda with Lambchops on this one. Not really a fan of blaming the soldier, especially during that era. Lots of people got drafted against their will and brainwashed in to following orders no matter what.MCCAIN WASN'T DRAFTED HE WAS A RICH BOY WHO VOLUNTEERED TO INCINERATE VIETNAMESE CHILDREN FUCK OFF WITH THIS SHIT
I put the vast majority of the blame on the policy makers and the ones giving the orders. The military industrial complex, the military institution itself, hell, even the civilians who voted for/supported the politicians--I think they all have much more accountability than the soldiers. I think calling him a war criminal is disingenuous.
he's a war criminal unquestionably.
Read the law and use some common sense.
OMG of all the stuff you could be saying about McCain you just want your sensationalized meme to be true. You don't need to stupid about it, the truth speaks loud enough. He always reminded me of Henry Gibson's character in The Blues Brothers. Have at it!....a total bullshit invasion beginning under false pretenses.
No argument here. That pretty much describes the start of every war since people started bothering with the false pretenses.disingenuous.
Yes, exactly that. Thanks Ywfn.
?s=19great thing about US's runaway imperial ideology is that no one thinks it's an ideology. Everyone from large corporations to middlebrow NYT liberals all recite the exact same well-worn cliches––"hero", "honor", "human rights"–– no one knows what exactly they mean. No one cares. https://t.co/MnmtilDakj
— Adam Johnson (@adamjohnsonCHI) August 27, 2018
I put the vast majority of the blame on the policy makers and the ones giving the orders. The military industrial complex, the military institution itself, hell, even the civilians who voted for/supported the politicians--I think they all have much more accountability than the soldiers.All the people you say we should blame are the ones McCain joined up with and even led post-Vietnam. It's also the type of family he came from before signing up to fight. He never met an imperialist conflict he didn't want. Classic John McCain:
.@SenJohnMcCain on #Ukraine: "I do not see a military option and that is tragic." - #AMR staff, #Russia, #Crimea
— Andrea Mitchell (@mitchellreports) March 7, 2014
Do you realize "just following orders" was the defense of the nazis tried at Nuremburg? We settled this after WWII, "just following orders" is not a morally sound defense for murder.
It says a lot about you that you assume anyone opposed to the veneration of imperial butchers is just doing it to cynically push an agenda rather than expressing a sincere sentiment of moral outrage and horror. I wonder why you find it so hard to believe someone could have a sincere opposition to racist imperial genocide, hmmmm.
Many soldiers kill people in wars. Many of them were only there because if they refused the draft they would be jailed. It's not a voluntary system, soldiers don't pick their targets and pilots may or may not even know what they are bombing, that's why soldiers in that position are not considered war criminals.
McCain came from a rich family and volunteered to serve in the air force and help kill millions of vietnamese and poison their children for generations. Oops! You're full of shit!
Who was the person that planned and ordered the bombing missions you care so much about? Who was the person who approved the use of napalm by the US military in the first place? Who was the pilot of the Enola Gay? I would guess you don't know and you don't really care, because that's not the barrow you are pushing.
Why wouldn't I condemn those people too? Obviously I do but this thread is about McCain who is currently being blown by the American elite media as a great hero of human rights, so that's why I'm talking about McCain. You idiot
Attack him on his politics and you won't get any argument from me.
Yes just don't talk about his enthusiastic participation in genocide, that's not political somehow
But seriously don't trivialize horrific war crimes by using them for your own meme trash politics. It smells bad no matter which side is doing it.
Fuck off you slimy little weasel, suck this baby killer's dead dick some more.
I put the vast majority of the blame on the policy makers and the ones giving the orders. The military industrial complex, the military institution itself, hell, even the civilians who voted for/supported the politicians--I think they all have much more accountability than the soldiers.All the people you say we should blame are the ones McCain joined up with and even led post-Vietnam. It's also the type of family he came from before signing up to fight. He never met an imperialist conflict he didn't want. Classic John McCain:
He was a ruling class warmonger through and through, and the world is a safer place without him...
It seems so distasteful to roast the old dead senator who's killed by cancer but that's what makes it necessary and brave... sometimes the truth isn't pretty but we have to speak it: so many people die from the silence and disengagement of American citizens who stand by and acquiesce to the horror!!!
He always reminded me of Henry Gibson's character in The Blues Brothers.
In other words Jon and CumSavorer are bigger heroes than John McCain.
I'm glad we can come together and agree on this, and recognize a few of our own heroes here who fight the online battle everyday.In other words Jon and CumSavorer are bigger heroes than John McCain.
Yeah man a couple trolls on the internet are better and more successful than Mcain was.
i wonder who influences the definition of what a war criminal is. funny how war crimes rarely get attributed to the biggest perpetrator of them.I put the vast majority of the blame on the policy makers and the ones giving the orders. The military industrial complex, the military institution itself, hell, even the civilians who voted for/supported the politicians--I think they all have much more accountability than the soldiers.All the people you say we should blame are the ones McCain joined up with and even led post-Vietnam. It's also the type of family he came from before signing up to fight. He never met an imperialist conflict he didn't want. Classic John McCain:
He was a ruling class warmonger through and through, and the world is a safer place without him...
That sounds about right.
Actually I would love to see someone make a case for him being a war criminal based on his activities after Vietnam. I doubt anyone could get the evidence to prove it, but IMO it's more realistic that calling him one because he was a pilot.
Yes I am well aware. Nobody was tried at Nuremburg just for being a pilot. Nobody has ever even been charged with war crimes for simply being the guy driving the plane. Read the laws and use some common sense.
It doesn't matter how morally outraged you are at the crimes, ascribing them to to guy driving the plane is just stupid. How about the guy who pushed the button to drop the bombs? How about the soldier who refuelled the plane, is he a war criminal too? How about the receptionist at front desk of the Air-Force base... war criminal?
Try reading. That entire paragraph doesn't even mention McCain, it's on defining a war criminal.
He was rich? So what? So was Elvis. He chose to join the air force? Again, so what? Even if you join the armed forces voluntarily you will still get court-martialed and thrown in a military prison if you refuse to follow orders. It's not a voluntary system.
Again. Try reading. I didn't ask if you would condemn them, and I didn't ask why you were talking about McCain (you idiot ;)).
Not at all. If you have some quote from McCain where's he's saying how enthusiastic he is about killing civillians that's very relevent, post that meme.
I'm glad we can come together and agree on this, and recognize a few of our own heroes here who fight the online battle everyday.In other words Jon and CumSavorer are bigger heroes than John McCain.
Yeah man a couple trolls on the internet are better and more successful than Mcain was.
the lionization of mccain post-death reminds me a lot of how people treat the murderous Israeli apartheid state, where cowardice from global onlookers is so seductive and everyone's tempted to say "ohh well both sides i dont know..." because that's kind of an accepted wisdom that we can all come together and agree upon, look at me, I'm being neutral and fair and conveniently and completely by accident I'm not sticking my neck out for anyone and I'm upsetting no one. inconveniently the colonization of Palestine continues unabated but of course I want uh peace!
Likewise it's tempting to be like "oh I'm a liberal but that mccain, he was a war hero you know... an honorable man," just this sort of desire to please and be pleasant and to not make waves when on examination it's like look, this guy fought in an evil war, did evil things, came back and made it his life's mission to continue awful policies and wage new wars. If we can actually say that and fight the impulse to quibble over the definition of "war criminal" we're all better off.
In other words Jon and CumSavorer are bigger heroes than John McCain.
Yeah man a couple trolls on the internet are better and more successful than Mcain was.
I'm glad we can come together and agree on this, and recognize a few of our own heroes here who fight the online battle everyday.In other words Jon and CumSavorer are bigger heroes than John McCain.
Yeah man a couple trolls on the internet are better and more successful than Mcain was.
@eyyy im walkin here u live in the DC area? I have an aunt in Georgetown, u be willing to meet me at some point? Im curious to see what u like in real life.
the lionization of mccain post-death reminds me a lot of how people treat the murderous Israeli apartheid state, where cowardice from global onlookers is so seductive and everyone's tempted to say "ohh well both sides i dont know..." because that's kind of an accepted wisdom that we can all come together and agree upon, look at me, I'm being neutral and fair and conveniently and completely by accident I'm not sticking my neck out for anyone and I'm upsetting no one. inconveniently the colonization of Palestine continues unabated but of course I want uh peace!
Likewise it's tempting to be like "oh I'm a liberal but that mccain, he was a war hero you know... an honorable man," just this sort of desire to please and be pleasant and to not make waves when on examination it's like look, this guy fought in an evil war, did evil things, came back and made it his life's mission to continue awful policies and wage new wars. If we can actually say that and fight the impulse to quibble over the definition of "war criminal" we're all better off.
typical liberals tbh.
i wonder who influences the definition of what a war criminal is. funny how war crimes rarely get attributed to the biggest perpetrator of them.
Likewise it's tempting to be like "oh I'm a liberal but that mccain, he was a war hero you know... an honorable man," just this sort of desire to please and be pleasant and to not make waves when on examination it's like look, this guy fought in an evil war, did evil things, came back and made it his life's mission to continue awful policies and wage new wars. If we can actually say that and fight the impulse to quibble over the definition of "war criminal" we're all better off.
With people like Trump rising in reaction to liberalism's failures we need to speak truth more than ever.
If you can't rip on a self-promoting power-hungry arrogant biggoted white supremacist without calling an entire group of mostly un-related people war criminals then you're just not doing it right.
Not really. They're on the wrong side right now. They're all volunteer and anyone that signed up post-Vietnam should have known what they were getting into. If some of them have an epiphany and actually realize they're on the wrong side, I think they'll be understanding to angry people calling McCain a war criminal. I mean, Trump won a national presidential election after saying John McCain wasn't a hero and he "prefers the pilots that don't get shot down." Mincing words out of caution isn't really all that necessary, not as necessary as appealing to people that our current politics don't reach at all.With people like Trump rising in reaction to liberalism's failures we need to speak truth more than ever.
Exactly. The truth.
... and if you want to change hearts and minds, start by not alienating the entire armed forces. You may think you're just talking about one person, but but people will apply things to their own life and experience. Don't you want soldiers to vote with you?
That does not mean that wartime pilots should be called war criminals because bombs were dropped out of their plane. How many came home and committed suicidewhen it's an unjustified invasion of a foreign country and those bombs are dropped on ligh bulb factories where women are working, yea that's a crime against humanity.
Exactly. The truth.
... and if you want to change hearts and minds, start by not alienating the entire armed forces. You may think you're just talking about one person, but but people will apply things to their own life and experience. Don't you want soldiers to vote with you?
Exactly. The truth.
... and if you want to change hearts and minds, start by not alienating the entire armed forces. You may think you're just talking about one person, but but people will apply things to their own life and experience. Don't you want soldiers to vote with you?
No we don't want the kkkracker imperialist pig army on our side moron. They are the enemy. Do we want nazis on our side too? Lol
Also you say "exactly, the truth!" And then argue we should lie so the pigs will like us. Lmao
This about sums it up: @JRubinBlogger's @washingtonpost paean to "human rights champion" John McCain literally pictures him alongside Oleh Tyahnybok, leader of the anti-Semitic Ukrainian ultra-nationalist, neo-Nazi Svoboda party. pic.twitter.com/6O8OKr247w
— Nima Shirazi (@WideAsleepNima) August 28, 2018
when you equate it with throwing a rock at a tank, it sounds like you believe we're describing everyone who engages in the concept of violence as evil.
you have to investigate the purpose of the violence, and in the case of a military force, the history and current goals... etc ... ( bunch of examples that I mostly agree with )
The people who join the US's fighting forces are signing up as enablers in violence on a massive scale, they are agents of a great evil, and they do so entirely
willingly............ but that will only happen if we speak clearly. Against fascism. Against empire.
lol what a rotting liberal brain.
The people who join the US's fighting forces are signing up as enablers in violence on a massive scale, they are agents of a great evil, and they do so entirely willingly. a lot of them are small people that grew up playing violent video games and want to go off and witness bloodshed, others are scions of people who have long served empire for profit as part of family tradition. many are tricked by american fairytales and bedtime stories but they should know better before they sign the dotted line to risk their lives and end many others. We can hope the ones who are good, who are simply misled, will change their minds and stop abetting in this worldwide wholesale slaughter, but that will only happen if we speak clearly. Against fascism. Against empire. Against death to increase the profits of a very narrow segment of a population thousands of miles away from the sphere of battle.
lol what a rotting liberal brain.
The people who join the US's fighting forces are signing up as enablers in violence on a massive scale, they are agents of a great evil, and they do so entirely willingly. a lot of them are small people that grew up playing violent video games and want to go off and witness bloodshed, others are scions of people who have long served empire for profit as part of family tradition. many are tricked by american fairytales and bedtime stories but they should know better before they sign the dotted line to risk their lives and end many others. We can hope the ones who are good, who are simply misled, will change their minds and stop abetting in this worldwide wholesale slaughter, but that will only happen if we speak clearly. Against fascism. Against empire. Against death to increase the profits of a very narrow segment of a population thousands of miles away from the sphere of battle.
Trolling aside let’s be real for a min.
18 year olds that join the military do so mainly because of the benefits that come with being a veteran. Many of these kids join the military with the intention of having the government paying for their college degree, which would otherwise be unattainable.
Saying these kids are “evil” is a bit of a stretch u disagree @eyyy im walkin here ?
Warrant Officer (WO1) Hugh Thompson, Jr., a helicopter pilot from Company B (Aero-Scouts), 123rd Aviation Battalion, Americal Division, saw dead and wounded civilians as he was flying over the village of Sơn Mỹ, providing close-air support for ground forces.[47] The crew made several attempts to radio for help for the wounded. They landed their helicopter by a ditch, which they noted was full of bodies and in which there was movement.[47] Thompson asked a sergeant he encountered there (David Mitchell of the 1st Platoon) if he could help get the people out of the ditch, and the sergeant replied that he would "help them out of their misery". Thompson, shocked and confused, then spoke with Calley, who claimed to be "just following orders". As the helicopter took off, Thompson saw Mitchell firing into the ditch.[47]
Thompson and his crew witnessed an unarmed woman being kicked and shot at point-blank range by Captain Medina, who later claimed that he thought she had a hand grenade.[48] Thompson then saw a group of civilians (again consisting of children, women, and old men) at a bunker being approached by ground personnel. Thompson landed and told his crew that if the soldiers shot at the Vietnamese while he was trying to get them out of the bunker that they were to open fire on these soldiers.[47]
The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia sends its sympathies and condolences to the American people upon the passing of @SenJohnMcCain pic.twitter.com/SowMRuRIVI
— Saudi Embassy USA (@SaudiEmbassyUSA) August 29, 2018
The people who join the US's fighting forces are signing up as enablers in violence on a massive scale, they are agents of a great evil, and they do so entirely willingly. a lot of them are small people that grew up playing violent video games and want to go off and witness bloodshed, others are scions of people who have long served empire for profit as part of family tradition. many are tricked by american fairytales and bedtime stories but they should know better before they sign the dotted line to risk their lives and end many others. We can hope the ones who are good, who are simply misled, will change their minds and stop abetting in this worldwide wholesale slaughter, but that will only happen if we speak clearly. Against fascism. Against empire. Against death to increase the profits of a very narrow segment of a population thousands of miles away from the sphere of battle.
Trolling aside let’s be real for a min.
18 year olds that join the military do so mainly because of the benefits that come with being a veteran. Many of these kids join the military with the intention of having the government paying for their college degree, which would otherwise be unattainable.
Saying these kids are “evil” is a bit of a stretch u disagree @eyyy im walkin here ?
not really, i said they are doing evil, not that they are evil. I mean, like i said, everyone should think and investigate long and hard before they sign up to kill other human beings and possibly be killed themselves, so they should know better before enlisting. but many, who dont knowingly hold any ill intentions, fail in this regard. and doing it to get some benefits or free school, murdering strangers overseas, isnt really an excuse, esp when knowing the majority of people in the US military actually arent coming from the poorest communities. the people who dont suck and who make a mistake, like i said, will hopefully come around if we speak clearly and loudly. the people that arent interested in changing their minds, who refuse to do so, even if theyre not intentionally "bad people," are quite simply not on our side, and thats fine with me. what that means though is i dont censor myself and refrain from saying what i see as the truth out of fear of offending them. let them listen and see. if theyre against us then let them be against us.when you equate it with throwing a rock at a tank, it sounds like you believe we're describing everyone who engages in the concept of violence as evil.
It sounds a bit like you are prejudiced against dumb kids depending on what country they are born in.
^^Do you consider soldiers to be like dogs?
^^Do you consider soldiers to be like dogs?No I love dogs.
^^Do you consider soldiers to be like dogs?No I love dogs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre#Helicopter_crew_intervention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre#Helicopter_crew_intervention)QuoteWarrant Officer (WO1) Hugh Thompson, Jr., a helicopter pilot from Company B (Aero-Scouts), 123rd Aviation Battalion, Americal Division, saw dead and wounded civilians as he was flying over the village of Sơn Mỹ, providing close-air support for ground forces.[47] The crew made several attempts to radio for help for the wounded. They landed their helicopter by a ditch, which they noted was full of bodies and in which there was movement.[47] Thompson asked a sergeant he encountered there (David Mitchell of the 1st Platoon) if he could help get the people out of the ditch, and the sergeant replied that he would "help them out of their misery". Thompson, shocked and confused, then spoke with Calley, who claimed to be "just following orders". As the helicopter took off, Thompson saw Mitchell firing into the ditch.[47]
Thompson and his crew witnessed an unarmed woman being kicked and shot at point-blank range by Captain Medina, who later claimed that he thought she had a hand grenade.[48] Thompson then saw a group of civilians (again consisting of children, women, and old men) at a bunker being approached by ground personnel. Thompson landed and told his crew that if the soldiers shot at the Vietnamese while he was trying to get them out of the bunker that they were to open fire on these soldiers.[47]
You cheapen real courage and sacrifice and decency like this when you say the perpetrators of this massacre are no worse than the people who stopped it.
ur the whitest bitch here^^Do you consider soldiers to be like dogs?No I love dogs.
Lmao u something else white boy.
everyone should think and investigate long and hard before they sign up to kill other human beings
everyone should think and investigate long and hard before they sign up to kill other human beings
Everyone should think long and hard before they VOTE. If the American people actually disapproved of what their country did to others, they wouldn't continue to elect war-mongers and worship guns in their own homes.
Sitting safe and isolated in the extremely privileged position that the US military has provided for you and blaming the soldiers is a bit weak.
Why don't you go and knock on your neighbors' doors and call the ones who voted for this stuff "child killing agents of evil", or is that too close to home?
But I don't think anyone is actually arguing that straw-man. At least I'm not.
The American political system is not democratic, ordinary people do not have a say in the United States political system, it is run expressly by and for capitalist warmongers (such as John McCain).
ROTF Thank you for owning yourself so hard.The American political system is not democratic, ordinary people do not have a say in the United States political system, it is run expressly by and for capitalist warmongers (such as John McCain).
... and that's what you tell yourself when you don't vote isn't it? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy)
even if it's true that people should think long and hard before voting, does that make it less true that people should think long and hard before joining a killing machineeveryone should think and investigate long and hard before they sign up to kill other human beings
Everyone should think long and hard before they VOTE. If the American people actually disapproved of what their country did to others, they wouldn't continue to elect war-mongers and worship guns in their own homes.
Sitting safe and isolated in the extremely privileged position that the US military has provided for you and blaming the soldiers is a bit weak.
Why don't you go and knock on your neighbors' doors and call the ones who voted for this stuff "child killing agents of evil", or is that too close to home?
It's broke and only a severe economic catastrophe and/or revolutionary movement can potentially fix it
if the threat of revolution gets great enough that they're scared for their own security they might give something up of their own volition but I wouldn't call that "willingly."
another bad thing is that we're cooking the planet in the meantime.
ROTF Thank you for owning yourself so hard.The American political system is not democratic, ordinary people do not have a say in the United States political system, it is run expressly by and for capitalist warmongers (such as John McCain).
... and that's what you tell yourself when you don't vote isn't it? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy)
Well, as i'm sure you know, the narrative is that scientists have an economic interest on the issue
even if it's true that people should think long and hard before voting, does that make it less true that people should think long and hard before joining a killing machine
anyway yeah people voting for republicans suck and are fucking up but bourgeois elections will only offer bourgeois candidates... you dont change the world by electing barack obama, as is clear. and that WAS an insurgent campaign against a frontrunner! hillary clinton wouldnt be significantly less eager to advance the interests of US imperialism than trump is, either. almost any candidate that would push for real change is priced out by corporations and rich donors funding the campaigns of their opposition. It's broke and only a severe economic catastrophe and/or revolutionary movement can potentially fix it
Yeah change the subject and you're still wrong.
No comment from the genius who said all soldiers and even the receptionst at the front desk are all war criminals then cited and example of an army pilot as having "real courage sacrifice and decency".
... and you still cant smell your own bullshit you say? Doesn't matter because if you don't vote your opinion is literally worthless.
You are a triggered moron lol.
Yes. Western democracy is a flawed system that is open to corruption and manipulation at all levels, but it is still the best system that the human race has come up with (so far)
Yes. Western democracy is a flawed system that is open to corruption and manipulation at all levels, but it is still the best system that the human race has come up w
oh i created an irrelevant thread sorry :-\
america only does that to brown and muslim peoples
oh i created an irrelevant thread sorry :-\
Lol, you faggot.
I wish you and CockSucker (@CumSavorer4385) were among the Vietnamese that were incenerated by napalm. FYL.