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Warcraft II => Tournaments & Leagues => Topic started by: Rit on April 04, 2015, 05:38:49 PM

Title: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Rit on April 04, 2015, 05:38:49 PM
I thought I'd create a new topic for this as two of the projects I'm working on are related to hosting tournaments.  I might as well combine them at this point.  I will be updating my progress for these projects on this thread from now on.

Please refer to these threads for a little background on the projects I've been working on:

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,707.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,707.0.html)
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,751.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,751.0.html)

The calendar project has been going well.  We now have a calendar embedded on the server.war2.ru website and players are now able to add events to it by creating events in the War2 Server Facebook group.  A form may eventually be created to submit your event to the calendar.  Notable events in War2’s history are still in the process of being added and I will keep updating the community with those dates as they are added. 

With Challonge.com, players are capable of hosting their own WarCraft II tournaments all in one place.  I’ve done all I can on it for the moment.  I hope to see this incorporated into the website eventually. 



Here is what I think should be seen as the ideal process for hosting tournaments:


1. Create an event in the War2 Server Group on Facebook.  Once created, it will automatically be added to the WarCraft II calendar on the website.

2. Sign up for Challonge.com and submit your username here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zs9JfvucHdBZxa-mDdY2etB3jnDpkri_rea1lcP8vVc/viewform (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zs9JfvucHdBZxa-mDdY2etB3jnDpkri_rea1lcP8vVc/viewform) in order to gain permissions to host tournaments in the WarCraft II organization.  (You don't have to do this every time you want to host a tournament.  Once you're added, you're in.)

3. Once approved, create a tournament at http://war2.challonge.com (http://war2.challonge.com) in order to manage the brackets. 

4. Create a thread on the server.war2.ru forum with information about your tournament (date, time, map, etc.) and links to the Facebook event page and Challonge.com tournament registration page.

5. On the day of your tourney send participants to http://en.war2.ru/tournies (http://en.war2.ru/tournies) to view the brackets. (If you're using our Challonge.com War2 group then your tourney brackets will automatically be embedded here and updated in real time.)




I will be hosting a tournament soon to demonstrate this process in hopes that it will inspire more players to do the same and host their own tournaments.  It would be nice to see more community participation, which I feel would be of great benefit to the server. 

I’d also like to propose adding a “Tournaments” section to the forum.  A board for tournament announcements and information would be great as well as links to the WarCraft II Challonge page and tournament host registration form.  These links would also be a nice replacement in the tournaments section on the website.  If we get Challonge embedded on the website we can just switch out the links later.

I know some things that are related to this project as a whole are being looked into and tested and some of what I proposed may be subject to change.  Please feel free to discuss this with me, make your own recommendations, and let me know if you think anything I've proposed could be done in a better way.



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updated with info about tourney brackets on site -mousey
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: I hate naggers on April 04, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
As for "Tournaments" section, i believe tournaments are highly related to server.war2.ru and should be posted in that section
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on April 04, 2015, 06:22:26 PM
bozeman site looks better, challonge brackets are ugly
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Rit on April 04, 2015, 07:48:12 PM
As for "Tournaments" section, i believe tournaments are highly related to server.war2.ru and should be posted in that section

I recommended this because I think it's more organized and promotes participation to have an official board/section for this.  The server.war2.ru board is a good board to post the tournaments though.  I'm a little more concerned about the links but if they are linked from the website, then it's probably unnecessary to have them on the forum.

bozeman site looks better, challonge brackets are ugly

Never thought I'd hear that.  It's worth noting how you feel about it and if others feel the same I think we should have a vote on it.  Thank you for the feedback.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: O4L on April 04, 2015, 07:50:54 PM
Bozeman site has been bugged for awhile now when I have tried using it.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: mousEtopher on April 04, 2015, 09:27:18 PM
Are we in contact with the person/people who host it? I asked iL awhile ago if it would be possible to get ahold of the source and move it over to our domain, e.g. tournies.war2.ru or something, but never reached a definitive conclusion.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on April 05, 2015, 07:10:00 PM
Are we in contact with the person/people who host it? I asked iL awhile ago if it would be possible to get ahold of the source and move it over to our domain, e.g. tournies.war2.ru or something, but never reached a definitive conclusion.

there are a million wordpress plugins like I said before that do the same thing or better.

also here is his email from the site, city-software@gmx.de so feel free to contact him and ask for source code
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Rit on April 07, 2015, 12:34:55 AM
I have just added the 60men 1v1 Tournament for April 10th as an all day event on the calendar.  I will PM USA~Archer to see if he's decided on a time for the tournament.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: mousEtopher on April 07, 2015, 08:28:05 AM
Are we in contact with the person/people who host it? I asked iL awhile ago if it would be possible to get ahold of the source and move it over to our domain, e.g. tournies.war2.ru or something, but never reached a definitive conclusion.

there are a million wordpress plugins like I said before that do the same thing or better.

also here is his email from the site, city-software@gmx.de so feel free to contact him and ask for source code


Ah, I actually got a hold of him! Waiting to hear back from Burnt about what the bugs with the system are so we can get them fixed. Good work Ganz.
 
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on April 07, 2015, 10:18:47 AM
Cool, glad to help.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on April 07, 2015, 10:37:36 AM
I have just added the 60men 1v1 Tournament for April 10th as an all day event on the calendar.  I will PM USA~Archer to see if he's decided on a time for the tournament.
Can I request you take it off?  That hacking tournament should not be recognized.  (there's a map hack download right on the sign up page)
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Teron-Gorefiend on April 07, 2015, 10:42:15 AM
Just ban the fucker for 1 week. Advertising hacks should be banned.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: I hate naggers on April 07, 2015, 10:51:13 AM
Quote from: that usa~archer guy
At this point, I'm just exercising my right to do whatever the fuck I want, while obeying server rules.

1. WarCrap has legitimate uses in offline, LAN, and other play
2. I am not encouraging anyone to hack and its clearly stated
3. Hackers are going to hack, and theyre going to get banned if they do so who cares, its such a small community, no one wants to get banned and besides why would you hack these days? No ones worried about their stats how stupid they are if they care about winning still

If iL says "remove WarCrap or we ban you from RU server and forums" then I will remove immediately. But so far its just "we dont like it"

you can't ask admins to ban him, instead you should force il/blid/other_server_admin to directly tell him to take it down. For now it's "we dont like it" and the consequence is that USAarcher's tournament/site is not supported by admins. Apparently both sides are happy with this pointless status quo
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on April 07, 2015, 10:59:17 AM
hmm, claw, would you be comfortable with us telling people they can't post hacks on their own sites, or link to hacks in their game profiles etc?  i recall people in the past like poonat getting pissy about that.  what's that dude's name again?  eradicate's brother
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: I hate naggers on April 07, 2015, 11:18:06 AM
I am not criticizing nor offering my solution here, just presenting the situation to teron

moderated account profiles? I could understand that, it would fit the current state of moderation of the server (certain names are restricted, certain clan tags, certain words on the main chat or even whisper (no insulting unless its friendly shittalk policy), so why not the profile?). As for his private website, he's shooting himself in the foot day by day by not taking the hack link off, there's really not much to do about it outside of what's already been done - no support for the masochist, martyr dude. Which results in the lack of an advertising account (if that's a thing already lol), not having the channel topic set and other whatevers. Doesn't change the fact that its pointless

ban is too extreme imo, he's not actively advertising hacks, it's a passive link with an element of history attached to it
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Nox on April 07, 2015, 11:21:24 AM
If i know rules good, there no rules about promoting hacks, but this retard attitude dint deserve any support for anything from war2ru or anybody else.

This dude is completly a joke.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Rit on April 07, 2015, 03:49:57 PM
Can I request you take it off?  That hacking tournament should not be recognized.  (there's a map hack download right on the sign up page)

It actually still hasn't posted to the website calendar (which is strange since they've been posting almost instantly).  At your request I will remove it, although I may wait to see how long it takes to actually appear on the calendar. 

Edit/Update: After just looking at the calendar now, it has been posted.  It has now been removed on the Google Calendar side and should update soon.

I've tried to stay out of this conversation as I feel it resides in a gray area.  I think it's a good example of an inadequacy in the rules of the server as anything that's written in stone is always open to interpretation and potential abuse.  My favorite page on the new website is the Server Etiquette page.  It has so much potential to replace the rules altogether.  I'd still like to see a community vote on things such as this to avoid the type of situation that we're currently in.  He won't be banned and attempts are being made to block him from advertising his tournament.  People have spoken out about it and he refuses to remove it.  There is no resolution to be seen so far and the bickering about it has gone on for days.  I think giving players the ability to bring up matters such as this to a vote with the rest of the community is much more productive.  The matter is then resolved quickly and less time is spent arguing about it.  The sole responsibility of the admins in these matter would be to enforce community decisions.  There are a lot of benefits to using a system like this.  I think it's something we should at least consider experimenting with. 

Since a admin is requesting that I remove this from the calendar, I will do so.  I also recommend that USA~Archer remove the link in order to avoid a lack of promotion for his tournament.  I'd like to see this tournament succeed.

Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: I hate naggers on April 07, 2015, 04:06:39 PM
Since a admin is requesting that I remove this from the calendar, I will do so.  I also recommend that USA~Archer remove the link in order to avoid a lack of promotion for his tournament.  I'd like to see this tournament succeed.
who doesn't, I think he's doing that on purpose to hold a grudge and, as ganz stated, host his own PVPGN server. Claim that .ru is corrupt, biased towards 60men players etc
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Winchester on April 07, 2015, 05:04:59 PM
people in the past like poonat

Poonat? lol
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Nox on April 07, 2015, 06:47:29 PM
Ty for challonge Rit, i use it today for UWC1, was great.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Rit on April 07, 2015, 07:11:20 PM
Ty for challonge Rit, i use it today for UWC1, was great.

Glad to hear it.  Keep up the good work.  UWC looks interesting and when I get some time I will join in on it too.  Don't forget that all members of the WarCraft II Facebook group can create their own events within the group and once created it is added to the calendar.  If not, feel free to PM me with dates and times for all upcoming events you plan on having and I will add them to the calendar.  I think that more players will show up and join UWC if you make use of this.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Nox on April 07, 2015, 07:28:02 PM
Well i dont have facebook anymore but if you take a look on UWC Subforum in the Tournament & Events section your gonna see a futur section where you can see all the upcomming event.. Its gonna be easier for me and for you, just take a look sometime and add what you see in the calendar if you can, thank you.


ps: i dont see my tournament on the official war2ru challonge page, it said no tournament found, is that normal??
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Rit on April 07, 2015, 07:40:15 PM
Well i dont have facebook anymore but if you take a look on UWC forum in the Tournament & event sections your gonna see a future section where you can see all the upcomming event.. Its gonna be easier for me and for you, just take a look sometime and add what you see if you can.

I don't think I'd be able to keep up with it.  It would make it easier on me to have tournament hosts send me their information to be posted on the calendar rather than me searching for it.  Feel free to delegate the responsibility to someone who wants to help with the tournaments.  That way they can post the upcoming events on Facebook.  A form will probably be added to the website soon to submit the events directly to the calendar.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Nox on April 07, 2015, 07:42:15 PM
Maybe burnt can do it for us i dont know, but i dont have facebook anymore.

If i can have account for the calendar i will be able to add my tourney in it no doubt, but for facebook i cant.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Rit on April 07, 2015, 07:54:44 PM
ps: i dont see my tournament on the official war2ru challonge page, it said no tournament found, is that normal??

2. Sign up for Challonge.com and submit your username here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zs9JfvucHdBZxa-mDdY2etB3jnDpkri_rea1lcP8vVc/viewform in order to gain permissions to host tournaments in the WarCraft II organization.  (You don't have to do this every time you want to host a tournament.  Once you're added, you're in.)

The above quote is from my sticky post on the tournaments board.  I haven't been sent a challonge.com username to allow you to create tournaments on the Warcraft II Challonge page.  Once you give me your username, I will give you the permissions.  In order for them to appear on the WarCraft II Challonge page, you must host it within that organization.

If i can have account for the calendar i will be able to add my tourney in it no doubt, but for facebook i cant.

Please PM me with your Google account and I will send you an invite.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Nox on April 07, 2015, 07:57:20 PM
My challonge account is ( EquinoxRU ) Try to add my tournament of today update if possible thank you.

ps: i dont have google account either, can you not created a general one for everyone??
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Rit on April 07, 2015, 09:29:28 PM
My challonge account is ( EquinoxRU ) Try to add my tournament of today update if possible thank you.

You have been added and are now able to host tournaments.  You may want to look into moving it from your side (maybe in the bracket settings?).  I'm not sure if it's possible though.

ps: i dont have google account either, can you not created a general one for everyone??

I think there would be too many problems creating a google account for all players to use.  I'm pretty sure it will knock one user off of Google if another signs in.  I can't imagine what a pain the security would be since people will be logging in from all over the world.  I recommend creating a Google account in order to access this calendar.
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Nox on April 07, 2015, 09:46:38 PM
I just did the full tournament again from war2ru challonge page but i dint see it?? there still a probleme?
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Rit on April 07, 2015, 09:48:58 PM
You clicked "New Tournament" on this page http://war2.challonge.com/ (http://war2.challonge.com/) and recreated it?
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Nox on April 07, 2015, 09:53:13 PM
yes i did, 2 times, it do nothing...  :-\
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on April 07, 2015, 09:53:18 PM
people in the past like poonat

Poonat? lol
Yeah aka godfreak aka TheSituation aka I forget what name
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Rit on April 07, 2015, 10:01:18 PM
yes i did, 2 times, it do nothing...  :-\

I just tested it from my account and it posted.  Try one more time.  If that doesn't work, do we have anyone else who can test it?
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: Nox on April 07, 2015, 10:08:22 PM
It work now.

But i have a question, did my players scores from my tournaments gonna be mix with other tournament from other TD??
Title: Re: Community Tournaments Project
Post by: mousEtopher on April 09, 2015, 08:40:03 AM
Re the event calendar -- yes, a form will be added to the website at some point (probably at en.war2.ru/upcoming-events/ (http://en.war2.ru/upcoming-events/), below the calendar) so people can submit their own events, no Google account or middleman necessary.

 
I'd still like to see a community vote on things such as this to avoid the type of situation that we're currently in. 

The sole responsibility of the admins in these matter would be to enforce community decisions.  There are a lot of benefits to using a system like this.  I think it's something we should at least consider experimenting with. 

This is more or less the current setup. People have started votes on several occasions, like the client vote & the current vote re USA-archer's site. Even the server rules were voted in by the community and our job as admins is just to enforce them.

It's difficult though because sometimes people go up in arms and call it "power abusing" when we make common sense moderation decisions to keep things running smoothly (like temp banning someone for spamming the entire forum, or deleting someone's Karma when they tried to game the system) but other times it's "You shouldn't even have to ask us, you should just do xyz (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,711.msg10631.html#msg10631)". And this is re censoring posts/sigs/profiles etc. when censorship is supposedly the most heinous thing one can do on our free speech forum.

You make the obvious decision, people complain. You offer to let users decide for themselves, people complain (and end up following your advice anyway (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,815.0.html).. c:)