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Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 01:34:45 AM
Tk def better

Top 5
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: O4L on July 08, 2018, 02:08:06 AM
Its_Hot and Rat probably some more recent ones
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: Szwagier on July 08, 2018, 03:27:12 AM
Where is alf-nup-attack?
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 08, 2018, 03:29:42 AM
would u say Ripe and you are about even? Or do you have an edge?
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: O4L on July 08, 2018, 04:20:51 AM
Yeah alf-attack is a good one... What about LuX.. I imagine he would be up there as well.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: O4L on July 08, 2018, 09:14:42 AM
00Steve ?
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 04:36:52 PM
not to bash or anything, but looking at your ladder record you're not playing any top players... and the few top players you do play have a winning record on you, but only a small hand full of games it seems.

1-1 with kyle(tie)
4-2 braviet(wins)
7-5 knitter(wins)
3-4 ogremage(loses)
30-25 doofy(loses)
5-3 startale(wins)
12-1 shotgun(wins)
4-0 jesk (wins)
1-1 alf (ties)
10-7 paperboy(wins)

based on those 1v1 records against decent players.. you're a tier 2 or 3 player
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 08, 2018, 05:43:22 PM
^^Nah in 2018 sepi is Tier 1. A tier 2 is someone like yamon or Ogremage.

A tier 3 is someone like tk or maciek.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 06:09:36 PM
I disagree. By that logic a tier 6 player would become a tier 1 player if all other advanced players bexome inactive .

If yamon,om, and sepi are all active they're same tier/skill.

Seppi is a good player, but he did a good job of padding his stats to make it appear as of he were on swift level.. And some fell for it
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 06:10:17 PM
Virus a tier 3 player if he hasn't been playing in a long time?
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 08, 2018, 06:17:07 PM
Viruz tier 2. He not better than sepi rn.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 06:27:28 PM
Now I know ur trolling
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 06:30:47 PM
Or.. (And not trying to be a dick about it) you just dont realize these players true skill because you never played vs them when you were good and they were active. You only started getting "good" at gowef in the last 6-9 months. . its hard to rank players that you've never consistently played with when they were actively playing imo

Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 06:33:50 PM
and by "hard" i mean pretty much impossible.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 08, 2018, 06:34:50 PM
If viruz played for a month then yeah he would be back at tier 1 level theing is he hasn’t done that since 2014. Seems kinda unlikely he ever will again.

Player for instance doesn’t really game that much so I would say he is tier 2 to. But if he were to game consistently I do think he could get around Alf/Startale level.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 06:35:40 PM
the whole tier system kind of falls apart when you have different generations of players trying to rank players that they've either never competed against at all, or even competed against when said players were active
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 08, 2018, 06:36:14 PM
Fyi tk im not the one saying that “I was top 5 of the sever at one point.”

I would say you have a lower grasp of things than I have.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 06:42:13 PM
i was top 5 of the active community at one point. that's not to say if players like viruz, poscow, jesk, shotgun etc.. were to start playing regularly i would still be top 5. i never said i was tier 1. but i was easily tier 2 at that time.

the thing about reaching that level is not many people notice if you don't maintain it for extended amounts of time. i was playing an insane amount of games for a couple months straight.. reached a level where i knew swift couldnt afford to many mistakes if he wanted to beat me (which he didnt..  but came close a few times) and became bored with it. stopped playing and rusted up real quick.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 06:45:25 PM
you're going to have a hard time getting people to accept your form of tier placement when you try to say viruz isnt tier 1. not many people will accept it.. and the reason is because everyone knows he was the very best player the community had for an extended amount of time.. and could get back to his same level in a weeks time if he was able to consistently play people like braviet, swift, jesk, sg, hotty... for that week.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 06:48:27 PM
literally after 10 games of playing a skilled player, viruz could start a series vs sepi and win the series.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 08, 2018, 08:46:51 PM
Did you see who played in that tournament?

https://challonge.com/y3a3ufh6

Was kinda a bust. A better representation of where maciek stands is the last tier 2 tournament before that.


https://challonge.com/kbhqpuht
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 08, 2018, 08:49:01 PM
Maciek is definitely good at GOW but he kinda weak on different maps.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: [TD]Medivh on July 08, 2018, 09:37:16 PM
Are you talking about 1v1 ANY MAP
Or 1v1 gow....

1v1 gow i would definitely win since im at the same level of braviet/jesk/poscow/itshot, at the same time i admit im not that expert in other maps
So it depends.

Of course, evaluating this type of things is very difficult
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 08, 2018, 09:38:14 PM
1v1 blizzard map
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 09:38:48 PM
tier system doesnt work on a game where the overwhelming majority of players are old schoolers that sporadically play.

there is no consistency. a tier 4 today by your definition could become a tier 2 next week.. and the majority active gow/ef players of today weren't competing with the active gow/ef players of 2 years ago because there was such a huge gap in skill... so how can they accurately gauge their skill level?
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 09:48:48 PM
Sepi has been playing this game at least 10 years? probably longer.. i think it's safe to say he peaked out years ago when there were more players.. i doubt he's any better today than he was 3-4 years ago when there was more regular/active competition.

but there are 2 reasons his skill seems inflated..

1) if you look at his ladder record, at least 90% of the people he play are average players.. so he has an insanely disproportionate ladder record.

2) the Ripe[Eur0](as an example) he plays today is a rusty Ripe.. not the same Ripe he was pretty evenly matched with 2-3 years ago when they were both equally active.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 08, 2018, 09:50:48 PM
People go up and down in skill all the time depending on how active they are. Someone like wargasm who was once considered one of the best on the server would be considered more tier 3-2ish now.

Just like in league of legends players can jump tiers and drop tier based on how much they play and how good they are. Players can do the same here on server war2 ru.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: tk[as] on July 08, 2018, 09:54:37 PM
look at the username Sepi[Eur0]  .. ull get an idea of what sepi's skill truly is against an active community.

he's an above average player.. and that's about it.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 08, 2018, 09:58:59 PM
We going based on 2018 right? Who cares how good someone was 5-10 years ago.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: Lone on July 11, 2018, 11:01:48 PM
Medivh - Lone: 8-22
Anyway Sepi, you are far better than me right now. I haven't been active since last year Summer.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: [TD]Medivh on July 12, 2018, 08:37:52 AM
The stats you posted are irrelevant, mostly because the stats include the time when i just began to play old/ef and some of them are just too short...
Actually the most correct one is me vs braviet in the most recent time which confirms the fact that we are even and i counted 30/32, not 28/30..
You should also listen to the opinion of the people... Personally ive always thought you used to feed your ego a bit too much...

Responding to LoNe: i dont remember i have played you that much (but ladder system says so) so i wont doubt about that, anyways i dont even consider the games ive played against a hacker.

Concluding i must remind you all that ive started to play MUCH later than 95% of the total players, and this should not be a neglected detail.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: [TD]Medivh on July 12, 2018, 11:09:58 AM

stopped reading here


Thats what you do when you fear to read the rest of the sentence.
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 12, 2018, 11:12:46 AM
Medivh if your better than Sepi you should challenge him for his master tag here,

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,2734.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,2734.0.html)
Title: Re: List of players better than me
Post by: [TD]Medivh on July 13, 2018, 01:20:34 AM
I dont have a master tag actually, lost it cause i stopped to play for so long.

I wont play him.

Fear to play me even if im rusty lol
but he feels so cool posting on forums asking " list of players better than me"
Pathetic.