Just hope you understand when i said anti hack i talk about the one we already have... the one who keep show gold mine when you try to close map hack.I see, 2.0.2.0 could be considered an antihack: not perfect, but better then nothing until we have something better
The gold mine anti hack is not comming from 2.0.2.0 but from your client or 4.0 patches.Wondering how it's possible, i didn't add anything related to gold mine antihack into 4.0.
OverallAgree if you right about 4.0 and about latency.
- Every clients need to play with 4.0 patche or they cant play.
- Anti gold mine have to work on every differente clients.
- Latency have to be fix and not corrupted anymore when we try to use warlat.
The gold mine anti hack is not comming from 2.0.2.0 but from your client or 4.0 patches.Wondering how it's possible, i didn't add anything related to gold mine antihack into 4.0.
Probably it's a separate technical quiestion to discuss it here, let's make another thread about that?OverallAgree if you right about 4.0 and about latency.
- Every clients need to play with 4.0 patche or they cant play.
- Anti gold mine have to work on every differente clients.
- Latency have to be fix and not corrupted anymore when we try to use warlat.
Latency between 2.0.2.0, 2.0.2.1 and 4.0 is another interesting technical question to check probably deserved a separate topic.
I have no idea how you checked that...
I suppose you dint create 4.0 from nothing, you probably modify 3.15 and the last setting of 3.15 are still in 4.0Yes, and there were just changes in the installer or w/e, no idea how it can work as goldmines antihack.
Cant you just block other patches to the server, so i will try to install 4.0 on war2orginal client and see if anti hack and warlat work.. maybe you just have to block other patches here and nothing to do more.All the combats based on 2.0.2.0, so server will see that. There's no internal way to check which build of combat is being used, only if i add some check into the new loader...
Latency between 2.0.2.0, 2.0.2.1 and 4.0 is another interesting technical question to check probably deserved a separate topic.damn bro, where u gettin those wild ideas from
I have no idea how you checked that...
I suppose you dint create 4.0 from nothing, you probably modify 3.15 and the last setting of 3.15 are still in 4.0Yes, and there were just changes in the installer or w/e, no idea how it can work as goldmines antihack.
So, you mean goldmines will disappear if we disable maphack in combat 3.15 and earlier?Cant you just block other patches to the server, so i will try to install 4.0 on war2orginal client and see if anti hack and warlat work.. maybe you just have to block other patches here and nothing to do more.All the combats based on 2.0.2.0, so server will see that. There's no internal way to check which build of combat is being used, only if i add some check into the new loader...
I asked for a vid comparison for different versions to present that "latency bug" and you moved that post to OFFTOPIC.
Yes anti hack gold mine came from way before 4.0, it always been able on 3.15, but never dint work on orginal war2client and other patches.
I just try to install in warcraft II original client from 4.0 client.
ddraw.dll
libcurl.dll
Smackw32.dll
storm.dll
w2local.dll
war2dat.mpq
War2Patch.mpq
War2Ppatcher
Unfortunly the anti hack dont work and the warlat still corrupted, maybe i miss some important files??
(separated from here: [url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,666.0.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,666.0.html[/url]))I asked for a vid comparison for different versions to present that "latency bug" and you moved that post to OFFTOPIC.
You right, but that was really offtopic there, so let's discuss this question here.
Let's discuss different subjects in different topics! Then one can find the required discussion in the future if needed.Yes anti hack gold mine came from way before 4.0, it always been able on 3.15, but never dint work on orginal war2client and other patches.
Were exe be 2.0.2.0 in each tested client?
That is very strange, i'll try that also to find the difference.
Maybe different windows? XP -> 7?I just try to install in warcraft II original client from 4.0 client.
ddraw.dll
libcurl.dll
Smackw32.dll
storm.dll
w2local.dll
war2dat.mpq
War2Patch.mpq
War2Ppatcher
Unfortunly the anti hack dont work and the warlat still corrupted, maybe i miss some important files??
If warlat still corrupted, that probably means your exe is 2.0.2.1. Never saw corrupted war2 with 2.0.2.0, it changes exe-process only AFAIK.
All the dll's are the same for 2.0.2.0 and 2.0.2.1 as i remember, so no reason to change them...
Not sure if it can be related to mpq-archives...
The only benefit of using the newer client is that gold mines show on the mini map when maphack is disabled? That sounds incredibly easy to edit out of a screenshot, and this sounds like a ton of unnecessary work for a very small payoff. iL's time and energy would be much better spent on his anti-hack project IMO. Better protection and no collateral damage.
What does "anti hack gold mine" mean? Does it mean that mines stay on the mini-map when a hack is disabled? Gold mines in black unexplored territory are the easiest thing I can possibly imagine to edit out, you just grab some black and write over them. It'd be trivial.Exactly. We can clearly say Teron has never hacked before [emoji5] or tried to cover it up [emoji54]
What does "anti hack gold mine" mean? Does it mean that mines stay on the mini-map when a hack is disabled? Gold mines in black unexplored territory are the easiest thing I can possibly imagine to edit out, you just grab some black and write over them. It'd be trivial.
The only benefit of using the newer client is that gold mines show on the mini map when maphack is disabled? That sounds incredibly easy to edit out of a screenshot, and this sounds like a ton of unnecessary work for a very small payoff. iL's time and energy would be much better spent on his anti-hack project IMO. Better protection and no collateral damage.
Try to edit a SS with me, i guarantee im gonna caught you.i never tried editing an SS, perhaps somebody should perform that experiment, 3 SS from the same game, 1 of them being edited while the others clean. See if the community can spot the difference. That'd be interesting
Secon if a client is affect by latency other clien is too. Game have to be sett on same latency for everyone, you cant have different latency for everyone, so when latency is corrupted latency is corrupted for everyone.the bolded part is right, but the conclusion is incorrect.
most people don't bother to check a ss sent to them up close in photoshop. They just look at it on ss.war2.ru and assume its legit.This is true, and on top of that, if all I have to do is black out a gold mine that's already surrounded by black, I want to know how Equinox is going to catch me?
This is true, and on top of that, if all I have to do is black out a gold mine that's already surrounded by black, I want to know how Equinox is going to catch me?
Can you guys see what a joke this is or not just yet?
QuoteQuote from: CLAW on Today at 11:51:52 AM
Can you guys see what a joke this is or not just yet?
yeh, reason why i haven't even voted
if you're all worried bout SS editingUnless lance is willing to help massively, its a lot of work and may be redundant with the antihack release, so i think we should wait for that first
how about you develop an automatic SS feature like from the one from war2custom?
Also, if you open map hack on 4.0 and try to closed it, your gonna see gold mine but also your units gonna disapear too, so it mean you cant only edit the black part but you also need to recreate all your units because they disapear.Ohh yeah, I've seen weird screenshots like that before
If you try to edit ss when your map hack is open, little dot disapear and you cant reproduce little dot.
So in both way you have to reproduce your units or reproduced the black dot on mini map, good luck, edit ss is a legend i told you again.
Also, dont forget one of the most important rules is to send ss before 5 minutes, i dont think your gonna do this expert job in 5 minutes, sorry for all of you believers.
well the 'black dot' template can be taken at any time (from a legit ss) and then just copy-pasted, but what do i know, i never have edited an ss and hardly ever request them
Could you circle the thing that "gives me away" other than obvious yellow goldmines?
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url])
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url])
(choose slow download)
Could you circle the thing that "gives me away" other than obvious yellow goldmines?
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url])
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url])
(choose slow download)
well the 'black dot' template can be taken at any time (from a legit ss) and then just copy-pasted, but what do i know, i never have edited an ss and hardly ever request them
Could you circle the thing that "gives me away" other than obvious yellow goldmines?
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url])
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url])
(choose slow download)
You cant because take a copy past from other screen shot dont mean your gonna take the right dot with the right fog, your also gonna take the map under your dot, dont try to find excuses there no way to edit this kind of ss.
Could you circle the thing that "gives me away" other than obvious yellow goldmines?
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url])
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url])
(choose slow download)well the 'black dot' template can be taken at any time (from a legit ss) and then just copy-pasted, but what do i know, i never have edited an ss and hardly ever request them
Could you circle the thing that "gives me away" other than obvious yellow goldmines?
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url])
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url])
(choose slow download)
You cant because take a copy past from other screen shot dont mean your gonna take the right dot with the right fog, your also gonna take the map under your dot, dont try to find excuses there no way to edit this kind of ss.
Well, whats the difference between those screenshots? Is it only visible when i try to 'cover' the goldmines?
alright, heres the edited SS that took 20 seconds in paint to make (blacking the minimap out with black squares).
What givez me awaiiiii?
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/dpSSw/edited.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/dpSSw/edited.pcx[/url])
oh its just some crappy mh i made
Also what is the name of that map hack your using?
Could you circle the thing that "gives me away" other than obvious yellow goldmines?
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url])
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url])
(choose slow download)well the 'black dot' template can be taken at any time (from a legit ss) and then just copy-pasted, but what do i know, i never have edited an ss and hardly ever request them
Could you circle the thing that "gives me away" other than obvious yellow goldmines?
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKN3q/screen287.PCX[/url])
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/uVkDF/screen289.PCX[/url])
(choose slow download)
You cant because take a copy past from other screen shot dont mean your gonna take the right dot with the right fog, your also gonna take the map under your dot, dont try to find excuses there no way to edit this kind of ss.
Well, whats the difference between those screenshots? Is it only visible when i try to 'cover' the goldmines?
alright, heres the edited SS that took 20 seconds in paint to make (blacking the minimap out with black squares).
What givez me awaiiiii?
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/dpSSw/edited.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/dpSSw/edited.pcx[/url])
I start to believe you're full of shit, you can't point out what "gives me away" because nothing gives me away. You're an illiterate cunt and its an invalid argument period. Just like those "latency problems". All this fuss about clients for having to edit out a couple of yellow dots off the minimap, jesus christ. Not wasting my time any longer
You cant say its "blurry" when you know its edited. You have the valid SS to compare, show me where exactly is it blurry and that it is not blurry on the valid one.
This is more worst then before, now i can see some strange line all over the regular white one...
both are edit, your so bad LOL
Are you blind or something?? hahaha
Edited vs not edited
Edited vs Not edited ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVQ_Vn3Wuqo#[/url])
@Claw: [url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,676.0/topicseen.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,676.0/topicseen.html[/url])
How about you try vs someone real instead of a raging clown :D
@Claw: [url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,676.0/topicseen.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,676.0/topicseen.html[/url])
How about you try vs someone real instead of a raging clown :D
Well, i do realize my edited screeenshots take more space on hdd, have different somethings etc. I was only curious about those "black dots" and whether one could determine the legitimacy of SS only basing on how the minimap looks. You know, a test if EQ makes sense ONCE in his miserable life... but nope, he isnt :(
2 minute paint job by a 1st-timer > equinox
Personally i dont care if its easy or hard to edit SS, i never trusted them anyway and request warvideos in serious matches. Its just the fact that its so easy to edit makes all the work iL needs to dedicate (for client check) kinda ridiculous
This is what actually happens to colors when you edit them if you were curious. Equinox is eyeballing it but this is 1 of at least 5 ways I know to determine if a screenshot is real or fake. [url]http://wikisend.com/download/534814/editedpwnt.pcx[/url] ([url]http://wikisend.com/download/534814/editedpwnt.pcx[/url])
([url]http://i.imgur.com/KNjPoBd.png[/url])
This is what actually happens to colors when you edit them if you were curious. Equinox is eyeballing it but this is 1 of at least 5 ways I know to determine if a screenshot is real or fake. [url]http://wikisend.com/download/534814/editedpwnt.pcx[/url] ([url]http://wikisend.com/download/534814/editedpwnt.pcx[/url])
I start to believe you're full of shit, you can't point out what "gives me away" because nothing gives me away. You're an illiterate cunt and its an invalid argument period. Just like those "latency problems". All this fuss about clients for having to edit out a couple of yellow dots off the minimap, jesus christ. Not wasting my time any longer
You cant say its "blurry" when you know its edited. You have the valid SS to compare, show me where exactly is it blurry and that it is not blurry on the valid one.
([url]http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/489361Claw.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=489361Claw.jpg[/url])
you see guys, I genuinely tried to reason with this pathetic, depressed failure here. I really did. I provided legit SS, the SS with mines and the edited SS. I then provided the comparison of these two. Not only did he insult me, he also fails to see a difference between them and is proud of "catching" hacks on a legit ss.
False positives should NEVER EVER happen when investigating a screenshot and it happened instantly in the very first experiment under Eq's 'jurisdiction'.
you see guys, I genuinely tried to reason with this pathetic, depressed failure here. I really did. I provided legit SS, the SS with mines and the edited SS. I then provided the comparison of these two. Not only did he insult me, he also fails to see a difference between them and is proud of "catching" hacks on a legit ss.
False positives should NEVER EVER happen when investigating a screenshot and it happened instantly in the very first experiment under Eq's 'jurisdiction'.
([url]http://i.imgur.com/KNjPoBd.png[/url])
If you watch your screen shot i post, he is more propre then your left one without the blur.
Both of your ss is edited your totally blind.
Look the lines all over your white square in the mini map, you got some transparents line following the white one.
This is the most pathetic attempt ive never seen, you fail 2 times, sorry bro, this square is now almost in 3d.
All of this and total failure, the only thing you proof is your making map hack, omg i laugh so hard hahahahaha.
I dont know why youre quoting yourself when all you did was fail and embarass yourself. Greenplastic managed to give me the proof of why it's edited. Unlike you, your vague "blurred" and calling legit ss an 'edited one'. Can't think of any reason why i shouldnt ignore your dyslexic ass
I PM'ed greenplastik and teron-gorefriend with 3 test edits, if they manage to determine they're edited with ease, i will sleep peacefully :3
alright, so which one is which?
([url]http://i.imgur.com/ge88Sce.jpg[/url])
Test was a failure.`
i turned on hack, then turned it off. All my units were invisible. I couldn't see anything. Wtf
i still believe it would be very easy to wipe out mines in a ss. but in my test that was never even an option. my units and buildings disappeared.
if i had hack version of war2, would my units not disappear?
Can anyone prove that this screenshot is edited? Please provide proofs here or via PM
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/cfrsT/screentest.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/cfrsT/screentest.pcx[/url]) <--- edited
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKPpq/screentest-1.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKPpq/screentest-1.pcx[/url]) <--- edited #2
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/873Js/screen295.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/873Js/screen295.PCX[/url]) <--- original
Test was a failure.
i turned on hack, then turned it off. All my units were invisible. I couldn't see anything. Wtf
i still believe it would be very easy to wipe out mines in a ss. but in my test that was never even an option. my units and buildings disappeared.
Can anyone prove that this screenshot is edited? Please provide proofs here or via PM
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/cfrsT/screentest.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/cfrsT/screentest.pcx[/url]) <--- edited
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKPpq/screentest-1.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKPpq/screentest-1.pcx[/url]) <--- edited #2
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/873Js/screen295.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/873Js/screen295.PCX[/url]) <--- original
Waste of time, dint even waste my time with you anymore, you cant even follow your own ss.
Test was a failure.
i turned on hack, then turned it off. All my units were invisible. I couldn't see anything. Wtf
i still believe it would be very easy to wipe out mines in a ss. but in my test that was never even an option. my units and buildings disappeared.
damn, i didnt even realize regular hacks (Warcrap, hackkitpro, masterhack) dont work on this version. Havent had them on my hdd in ages because theyre marked as trojans by antivirs
Can anyone prove that this screenshot is edited? Please provide proofs here or via PM
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/cfrsT/screentest.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/cfrsT/screentest.pcx[/url]) <--- edited
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKPpq/screentest-1.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKPpq/screentest-1.pcx[/url]) <--- edited #2
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/873Js/screen295.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/873Js/screen295.PCX[/url]) <--- original
Can anyone prove that this screenshot is edited? Please provide proofs here or via PM
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/cfrsT/screentest.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/cfrsT/screentest.pcx[/url]) <--- edited
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKPpq/screentest-1.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKPpq/screentest-1.pcx[/url]) <--- edited #2
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/873Js/screen295.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/873Js/screen295.PCX[/url]) <--- original
Can anyone prove that this screenshot is edited? Please provide proofs here or via PM
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/cfrsT/screentest.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/cfrsT/screentest.pcx[/url]) <--- edited
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKPpq/screentest-1.pcx[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/zKPpq/screentest-1.pcx[/url]) <--- edited #2
[url]http://www.speedyshare.com/873Js/screen295.PCX[/url] ([url]http://www.speedyshare.com/873Js/screen295.PCX[/url]) <--- original
I can only see one ss edited by looking at the 3 for about 15secs (seriously 5 secs per ss) and I can only see that its the screentest.pcx. IF screentest-1 is edited, I can't call it out with my 5-10secs testing....
EDIT: Bear in mind that people are having leisurely time to doctor the sses and if someone asks you after game, a puny 5 minute edit won't cut it...
Hi claw. Am I at least right or wrong?
Ok. I still feel screentest-1.pcx is a legit ss. How did you edit that one? PM if necessary. Is it really edited? How long did you take?It is edited. It can't be legit because look at the middle-left mine, it shouldn't be there. Same for the upper building @ 8. It didn't take longer than 5 mins.