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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: tk[as] on January 07, 2018, 09:28:09 PM

Title: serious question
Post by: tk[as] on January 07, 2018, 09:28:09 PM
kyle has IP scanner and is using it to drop hack me from his games now

is this allowed? .. there's really no way to prove he's doing it so im assuming he will continue to be allowed to do it

unless maybe i get IP scanner as well and start logging stuff as well
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: tk[as] on January 07, 2018, 09:31:01 PM
i got his IP.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on January 08, 2018, 10:18:00 AM
I think drop hacking shouldnt be allowed...

ip scanning also is intrusive and shouldnt be allowed but is impossible to pick up on.  but imo ip addresses should be protected information
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: I hate naggers on January 08, 2018, 11:56:55 AM
never got my handz on player-targetted drophax!!!!!! pm me
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Delete mine too on January 08, 2018, 02:49:19 PM
kyle has IP scanner and is using it to drop hack me from his games now

is this allowed? .. there's really no way to prove he's doing it so im assuming he will continue to be allowed to do it

unless maybe i get IP scanner as well and start logging stuff as well


Use a VPN!

When you are hosting a game your ip can be easily grabbed. Maybe he is ddosing you?
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: jordan4385 on January 08, 2018, 04:30:32 PM
WTF TK GOT KYLES IP. THATS ILLEGAL YA'LL
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: ~ToRa~ on January 08, 2018, 07:27:25 PM
WTF TK GOT KYLES IP. THATS ILLEGAL YA'LL

Lol I have my doubts TK actually ran an IP sniffer and got swift's ip.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Sentinel1 on January 08, 2018, 10:06:59 PM
WTF TK GOT KYLES IP. THATS ILLEGAL YA'LL

You're such a little wiener.  "Hey kyle did u see what I posted I really defended u pretty good this time."  Lackey ass nerd.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Lambchops on January 09, 2018, 05:34:28 AM
WTF TK GOT KYLES IP. THATS ILLEGAL YA'LL

Lol I have my doubts TK actually ran an IP sniffer and got swift's ip.

Yeah, you all send everyone in any game your IP address several times a second - can't play the game without doing it. Well I should say an IP address, not your IP address, but it has to be an IP address that will end up back at your computer or the game won't work.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: I hate naggers on January 09, 2018, 06:17:40 AM
Well I should say an IP address, not your IP address
ah! the secret "mcdonald wifi" plot against picka, brings memories bak
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: ~ToRa~ on January 09, 2018, 09:03:12 AM
^^Do elaborate that sounds interesting
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: tk[as] on January 09, 2018, 05:44:15 PM
kyle knows i got his IP. i priv msged it to him
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: tk[as] on January 09, 2018, 05:47:23 PM
not 100% sure if tracing someone's IP is illegal.. could be wrong about that. but i KNOW attacking it is.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: {Lance} on January 09, 2018, 06:15:26 PM
You dont need an IP scanner.  You already have one.  Open a command prompt and type "netstat".  Bam,  there you go.  A list of all IPs that are connected to you and that you are connected to.  Good luck figuring out who is who though.  Just look for the war2 ports 6112 and you should be able to figure out which are players and over several games even place names to them.  Or if you already know the general physical area of someone,  you can figure out names just by geo locating IPs that you know are from war2.  There are very few people who use VPNs other than hackers,  so the location idea is probably going to be accurate 90% of the time.  But people like Dellam will use VPNs in just about every game.  And once you figure out how to tell if an IP is a VPN or not even the VPN users cant hide because only a few people use them and we all know who they are.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: jordan4385 on January 10, 2018, 10:53:06 AM
QUOTE FROM: JORDAN4385 ON JANUARY 08, 2018, 04:30:32 PM
WTF TK GOT KYLES IP. THATS ILLEGAL YA'LL

You're such a little wiener.  "Hey kyle did u see what I posted I really defended u pretty good this time."  Lackey ass nerd.

fuck my ego is very threatened by this statement, it feels the need to defend itself!

Sentinel1, you are just some newb who is piggy backing on the obligatory "everyone in steves group sucks kyles dick" statement. Get an idea of your own faggot.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: jordan4385 on January 10, 2018, 10:55:00 AM
You dont need an IP scanner.  You already have one.  Open a command prompt and type "netstat".  Bam,  there you go.  A list of all IPs that are connected to you and that you are connected to.  Good luck figuring out who is who though. 

Will send python to solve this problem, 100 bux paypal.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on January 10, 2018, 11:08:58 AM
QUOTE FROM: JORDAN4385 ON JANUARY 08, 2018, 04:30:32 PM
WTF TK GOT KYLES IP. THATS ILLEGAL YA'LL

You're such a little wiener.  "Hey kyle did u see what I posted I really defended u pretty good this time."  Lackey ass nerd.

fuck my ego is very threatened by this statement, it feels the need to defend itself!

Lambchops, you are just some newb who is piggy backing on the obligatory "everyone in steves group sucks kyles dick" statement. Get an idea of your own faggot.


Jordan struggles with literacy. I'm sure you can find a program intended for elementary school students that can help you with your reading abilities.

Lambchops is not the one that said this.


Title: Re: serious question
Post by: jordan4385 on January 10, 2018, 11:13:40 AM
thanks babyshark, made the proper edits! Finally, someone who is nice around here!
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on January 10, 2018, 11:27:17 AM
I'm not that nice. And what I'm about to say is not at all nice and I'm likely to get called some names and/or have my body parts insulted.

If a lot of people are saying something, and you want to counter it, counter it by your actions. Actions speak louder than words. Instead of saying you're not subservient or blindly loyal to someone who may or may not be a hateful bully who enjoys causing pain to other people, show that it isn't true by not defending everything he says and does, regardless of the merits of the behavior in question.

Ask yourself whether you're motivated by genuine loyalty, which is a good trait, or by fear or a desire to be accepted or feel included in a group which may or may not thrive on stepping on weaker players to boost their sense of superiority.

A truly confident person who is secure in their identity and abilities does not need to push around kids or disabled people or kick puppies to prove they are strong.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: jordan4385 on January 10, 2018, 11:30:53 AM
are you accusing me of bullying babyshark? I take this very seriously! Perhaps you would like to provide some examples of who / what / where i am bullying? Also I do not witness this stepping on of weaker players, every one is very kind... joe always say "sorry need room", or some newbs just get kicked because they dont talk and will build. Seriously, I am the weakest player of them all! If all this is true, why am i treated fairly? This is merely your perception of what is happening. your perception  is puppies are getting kicked, my perception is the game shouldn't risk being ruined because someone some unknown is in the game.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on January 10, 2018, 11:57:01 AM
You dont need an IP scanner.  You already have one.  Open a command prompt and type "netstat".  Bam,  there you go.  A list of all IPs that are connected to you and that you are connected to.  Good luck figuring out who is who though.  Just look for the war2 ports 6112 and you should be able to figure out which are players and over several games even place names to them.  Or if you already know the general physical area of someone,  you can figure out names just by geo locating IPs that you know are from war2.  There are very few people who use VPNs other than hackers,  so the location idea is probably going to be accurate 90% of the time.  But people like Dellam will use VPNs in just about every game.  And once you figure out how to tell if an IP is a VPN or not even the VPN users cant hide because only a few people use them and we all know who they are.
Sounds like we need to make netstat bannable!
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on January 10, 2018, 12:47:23 PM
Perhaps you would like to provide some examples of who / what / where i am bullying?

Well, since you bring it up, well for starters you just called Lambchops a newb faggot whom I've never seen being mean to anyone.

And when I first showed up on the server after 5 years off on aka Chantal, you were the very first person to greet me, and I don't remember the exact words, but it was something in the vein of "I'm gonna rape your gangrene-infested hideous cunt, jizz on your face, and defecate on your worthless corpse."

How do you think that statement would have affected a 12-15 year old girl who is still impressionable and forming and in a sensitive point in life where she is just learning about her sexuality and place in the world as a woman?

You didn't expect the person to be capable of defending herself. You expected her to either enrage or cry or leave. Your joy and triumph in attacking people you perceive as defenseless...are you proud of that?

Title: Re: serious question
Post by: jordan4385 on January 10, 2018, 12:54:03 PM
Perhaps you would like to provide some examples of who / what / where i am bullying?

Well, since you bring it up, well for starters you just called Lambchops a newb faggot whom I've never seen being mean to anyone.

And when I first showed up on the server after 5 years off on aka Chantal, you were the very first person to greet me, and I don't remember the exact words, but it was something in the vein of "I'm gonna rape your gangrene-infested hideous cunt, jizz on your face, and defecate on your worthless corpse."

How do you think that statement would have affected a 12-15 year old girl who is still impressionable and forming and in a sensitive point in life where she is just learning about her sexuality and place in the world as a woman?

You didn't expect the person to be capable of defending herself. You expected her to either enrage or cry or leave. Your joy and triumph in attacking people you perceive as defenseless...are you proud of that?



LMAO, never in my life have i said that to a random girl. Wtf , i treat everyone with respect, especially the ladies. No one respects women more than I do.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on January 10, 2018, 01:00:28 PM
Like I said, I don't remember the exact words, but the intent was vulgar and shameful and similar in nature to the words I wrote above.

The main point is Jordan, we all are evil people. We all sin and do things to hurt others. We all deserve judgement from God and hell.

But God has loves each of us to the point of death.

He made the ultimate sacrifice, the sacrifice of self, giving himself to be mocked, hated, beaten, whipped, and crucified by the weaker people that He could have easily destoyed with the breath of His mouth.

He showed me love. He showed you love. He IS love. That's the definition of love, to put another before yourself.

We all wallow around in our selfish prideful wickedness of putting ourselves first, myself included. I've trampled others to make sure my needs and wants are met. I'm just as bad as everyone else.

But God's shown me His amazing love and washed me from my sin and guilt. He offers this to everyone Jordan.

You are loved by God.

And God's love makes us want to love other people too, no matter their age or nationality or behavior or health or ability. People matter to God.

People matter to me.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: ~ToRa~ on January 10, 2018, 01:06:16 PM
War2 is a place where people get drunk late at night a trash talk each other.
Thats not changing.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: jordan4385 on January 10, 2018, 01:09:32 PM
War2 is a place where people get drunk late at night a trash talk each other.
Thats not changing.
But God's shown me His amazing love and washed me from my sin and guilt. He offers this to everyone Jordan.

You are loved by God.

And God's love makes us want to love other people too, no matter their age or nationality or behavior or health or ability. People matter to God.

People matter to me.

I do love myself so yes, I am loved by god.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on January 10, 2018, 01:19:11 PM
1 Peter 4:3-8

 3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. 4 They are surprised that you do not join them in their reckless, wild living, and they heap abuse on you. 5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray. 8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

Colossians 3:12

12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

Romans 2:3b-16

...do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.

12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Title: Re: serious question
Post by: jordan4385 on January 10, 2018, 01:22:13 PM
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
You're following the wrong god babyshark
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on January 10, 2018, 03:09:09 PM
I trust the Almighty omniscient, holy, just, all-wise, omnipotent Sovereign living God who created the universe, the triune Father, Son, and Holy Spirit God of the Bible who holds the universe together by His Word and loves the people He made and showed His love and mercy by taking the wrath, death, and hell mankind had earned for themselves by their evil thoughts, words, and actions on Himself on this fallen earth.

What other god is like that?

The true God is worthy of worship, praise, adoration, and love!

Allah was invented by a man and there are very, very many falsehoods and inconsistencies within the religion, which I'd be happy go get into with anyone who is truly seeking truth. But I know you said that to mock/provoke and you don't really believe in Allah or the Qu'ran. All other religions are false and the invention of humans and demons to lead people away from the truth.

There is nothing more important in this life than trusting Jesus as our Savior from our sins. We will be dead for a long time (eternity) so where you end up is of utmost importance, because there is no escape from hell, no parole, no release date, just endless torment in a lake of fire with Satan and the demons.

I don't want you or anyone to end up there.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: jordan4385 on January 10, 2018, 04:07:29 PM
Allah was invented by a man a

How can you be so certain Jesus wasn't invented by man also?
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on January 10, 2018, 08:21:24 PM
This is a good question, a fair question. If most religions are false, and there sure are a lot of them, how do you know yours is true?

There are 8747 false gods mentioned in the Bible. The number of false gods throughout history is most likely uncountable.

There certainly is a designer of the universe. Even Richard Dawkins sees this, yet claims that the fact that everything appears to be designed is an "illusion" and that perhaps aliens started life on earth (since science cannot answer how life originated). The origin of the universe and the origin of life are outside of science. We can look at what we can learn from science, things we can observe, study, test, demonstrate, repeat to come to logical conclusions. It is a logical conclusion when presented with ordered information such as DNA, the blueprint for life, that is too complex for the human mind to understand, since intelligent information has never been observed to form itself, that an intelligent mind produced it. It is logical to conclude that a very intelligent mind designed this universe.

So whose mind was it? Was it an alien, as Dawkins suggests? I don't think so. Dawkins is fine with the idea of intelligent design (if it's an alien that doesn't have rules for our lives) but the idea of the true God from the Bible is abhorrent to him, not because of science, but because of our evil sinful nature that rebels against God and wants to be our own god.

How do we know the maker of the universe? How do we learn what this entity is and wants?

The vast majority of humans have been theists, because it is the inescapable reality that this world was created by someone superior to humans.

God has given us the Bible so that we can learn about Him, and most importantly, learn about Jesus, the ONLY answer to the problem we all have. We are sinners. We've broken God's rules, we've used God's name in vain, we've despised God and His Word, we've dishonored our parents, we've refused God's gifts, we've have murderous thoughts and hurtful actions towards other people, we've had lustful, adulterous thoughts and actions, we've coveted what isn't ours to have, we've stolen and we've lied. We haven't loved other people as we should. We've been greedy, gluttonous, self-absorbed, proud, conceited, boastful, hateful, and all around disgusting. Offensive in the sight of a holy God.

God's love for us was so vast that He became a human, kept the law perfectly in our place, so that He could be the substitute for us and take God's wrath on Himself. Jesus was crucified and died and was buried. He then rose from the dead, appeared to many disciples, and eventually ascended to heaven, and will return in might and power as King to judge the world.

I can't wait to see Him. Everyone who has rejected Him will shake in terror when that day comes, since they will be standing on their own account of actions, thoughts, and words before a holy and just God who judges evil.

I won't be standing on my own account of actions. I will be standing on the holy, perfect account of Jesus Christ, which He has given to me as a free gift through faith, and offers to you as well.

This is what the Bible teaches.

So why am I convinced? How do I know it's true? Am I just brainwashed and accept whatever I was taught?

Let's investigate.

The historicity of Jesus is undeniable. Jesus existed in history, and even Christianity's historical haters and opponents didn't bother trying to deny the existence of Jesus. So who was this Jesus? Was he just a man who managed to deceive a lot of people into thinking He was God? Or was His claim that He is God true?

There is a very low resurrection rate among dead people. Most of the people who die stay dead.

Jesus didn't stay dead. He appeared to many disciples, many of whom were killed for defending their faith. They were eyewitnesses, they were there. If they HADN'T seen a resurrected Jesus, they would certainly not be willing to die to defend the truth that they had.

The Bible is historically and scientifically accurate. The Bible is beyond any book that has ever been written by people. It is filled with goodness, righteousness, truth, wisdom, fulfilled prophecies from hundreds or thousands of years earlier. Look into the historical veracity of the Bible.

The teachings found in it are not of human origin. The teaching of Jesus Christ is counter to sinful man's mind. ALL false religions are based on works-righteousness, that we have to earn our way into god's favor by following rules. The teaching that we are saved by grace through faith is contrary to the human mind that wants, in pride and rebellion, to be good enough without God.

We need saving. Look at the world around you. It's falling apart.

Bombings, suicides, murders, rapes, hatred, wars, child abuse, divorce, poverty, and the grave where we are all destined to decay are a snapshot of the evil inside of every human being.

I believe the truth of the Bible because all the evidence points there. The Bible has been right about everything, from the sinfulness of man, to the fact that the earth hangs upon nothing (which was in the Bible in Job 26:7 something like 3500 years ago, which was discovered much later by people to be true, as impossible as it seemed to ancient people that something could hang on nothing). There are many examples in the Bible where God revealed in Scripture what scientists discovered much later.

The Bible is the truth, it's trustworthy, it's the Word of God, and it's given to us because God loves us and wants us to know Him and know the truth.

Nothing is more important than knowing Him, Jordan.

Don't wait. Don't ignore it. God's calling you now.

We never know when our time of grace will be up, whether we will first die or whether Jesus will return to judge the world first. It could be tonight.




Title: Re: serious question
Post by: I hate naggers on January 11, 2018, 03:44:08 AM
how can you be aware of richard dawkins and still spread the bullshit about alien intelligent design, you fucking moron. literally the first thing he would ask about this theory is "how alien life was originated" and we answered literally nothing. youre a tard h0m0 single mom
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Lambchops on January 11, 2018, 03:52:50 AM
... so how are we on the whole IP scanner issue? Does GOD approve or is it a false IP scanner?
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Lambchops on January 11, 2018, 04:11:39 AM
well for starters you just called Lambchops a newb faggot whom I've never seen being mean to anyone.

Aww thanks @BabyShark :D I missed that one.

So for the record @jordan4385, I'm actually a non-homophobic newb hetro, so I don't actually take that as an insult. On the other hand if I was a gay newb I would probably take offence at the term 'faggot' and call you a cock-juggling lamer with the IQ of an average 4-slice toaster, but hey, I really don't care that much  ;)

-- edit --

Oh yeah on further investigation I think you meant to call Sentinal1 a newb faggot, not me. np stuff happens... and BTW I really don't give a toss who sucks who's weiner around here.


how can you be aware of richard dawkins..... almost made a point then totally blew it by spraying a bunch of inaccurate and irrellivant hate-fuelled abuse

Do you realise how utterly retarded you have to be to make me stick up for the fundementalist christian in a discussion like this? OMG how do you fail that hard? Ima call your mom right now and tell her to slap some decency into you.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: I hate naggers on January 11, 2018, 05:19:25 AM
why do you think your opinion matters? youre juts frustrated because out of your home and at difficult time of life, is ok, but its stupid of you to think that i care about literally anything you idiots post about richard dawkins.
a wanna-be non-hacker and someone denying evolution
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Lambchops on January 11, 2018, 06:24:36 AM
why do you think your opinion matters? youre juts frustrated because out of your home and at difficult time of life, is ok, but its stupid of you to think that i care about literally anything you idiots post about richard dawkins.
a wanna-be non-hacker and someone denying evolution

Ok, that was much better. Well done :)

.... and for the record I havn't posted anything about richard dawkins, whoever that is.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Ze_sAiNt on January 11, 2018, 06:33:47 AM
This is a good question, a fair question. If most religions are false, and there sure are a lot of them, how do you know yours is true?

There are 8747 false gods mentioned in the Bible. The number of false gods throughout history is most likely uncountable.

There certainly is a designer of the universe. Even Richard Dawkins sees this, yet claims that the fact that everything appears to be designed is an "illusion" and that perhaps aliens started life on earth (since science cannot answer how life originated). The origin of the universe and the origin of life are outside of science. We can look at what we can learn from science, things we can observe, study, test, demonstrate, repeat to come to logical conclusions. It is a logical conclusion when presented with ordered information such as DNA, the blueprint for life, that is too complex for the human mind to understand, since intelligent information has never been observed to form itself, that an intelligent mind produced it. It is logical to conclude that a very intelligent mind designed this universe.

So whose mind was it? Was it an alien, as Dawkins suggests? I don't think so. Dawkins is fine with the idea of intelligent design (if it's an alien that doesn't have rules for our lives) but the idea of the true God from the Bible is abhorrent to him, not because of science, but because of our evil sinful nature that rebels against God and wants to be our own god.

How do we know the maker of the universe? How do we learn what this entity is and wants?

The vast majority of humans have been theists, because it is the inescapable reality that this world was created by someone superior to humans.

God has given us the Bible so that we can learn about Him, and most importantly, learn about Jesus, the ONLY answer to the problem we all have. We are sinners. We've broken God's rules, we've used God's name in vain, we've despised God and His Word, we've dishonored our parents, we've refused God's gifts, we've have murderous thoughts and hurtful actions towards other people, we've had lustful, adulterous thoughts and actions, we've coveted what isn't ours to have, we've stolen and we've lied. We haven't loved other people as we should. We've been greedy, gluttonous, self-absorbed, proud, conceited, boastful, hateful, and all around disgusting. Offensive in the sight of a holy God.

God's love for us was so vast that He became a human, kept the law perfectly in our place, so that He could be the substitute for us and take God's wrath on Himself. Jesus was crucified and died and was buried. He then rose from the dead, appeared to many disciples, and eventually ascended to heaven, and will return in might and power as King to judge the world.

I can't wait to see Him. Everyone who has rejected Him will shake in terror when that day comes, since they will be standing on their own account of actions, thoughts, and words before a holy and just God who judges evil.

I won't be standing on my own account of actions. I will be standing on the holy, perfect account of Jesus Christ, which He has given to me as a free gift through faith, and offers to you as well.

This is what the Bible teaches.

So why am I convinced? How do I know it's true? Am I just brainwashed and accept whatever I was taught?

Let's investigate.

The historicity of Jesus is undeniable. Jesus existed in history, and even Christianity's historical haters and opponents didn't bother trying to deny the existence of Jesus. So who was this Jesus? Was he just a man who managed to deceive a lot of people into thinking He was God? Or was His claim that He is God true?

There is a very low resurrection rate among dead people. Most of the people who die stay dead.

Jesus didn't stay dead. He appeared to many disciples, many of whom were killed for defending their faith. They were eyewitnesses, they were there. If they HADN'T seen a resurrected Jesus, they would certainly not be willing to die to defend the truth that they had.

The Bible is historically and scientifically accurate. The Bible is beyond any book that has ever been written by people. It is filled with goodness, righteousness, truth, wisdom, fulfilled prophecies from hundreds or thousands of years earlier. Look into the historical veracity of the Bible.

The teachings found in it are not of human origin. The teaching of Jesus Christ is counter to sinful man's mind. ALL false religions are based on works-righteousness, that we have to earn our way into god's favor by following rules. The teaching that we are saved by grace through faith is contrary to the human mind that wants, in pride and rebellion, to be good enough without God.

We need saving. Look at the world around you. It's falling apart.

Bombings, suicides, murders, rapes, hatred, wars, child abuse, divorce, poverty, and the grave where we are all destined to decay are a snapshot of the evil inside of every human being.

I believe the truth of the Bible because all the evidence points there. The Bible has been right about everything, from the sinfulness of man, to the fact that the earth hangs upon nothing (which was in the Bible in Job 26:7 something like 3500 years ago, which was discovered much later by people to be true, as impossible as it seemed to ancient people that something could hang on nothing). There are many examples in the Bible where God revealed in Scripture what scientists discovered much later.

The Bible is the truth, it's trustworthy, it's the Word of God, and it's given to us because God loves us and wants us to know Him and know the truth.

Nothing is more important than knowing Him, Jordan.

Don't wait. Don't ignore it. God's calling you now.

We never know when our time of grace will be up, whether we will first die or whether Jesus will return to judge the world first. It could be tonight.






I knew it wouldn't take long for BabyShark to resurface from her hibernation and come up with another "Allah was invented by a man..." claim and "Jesus died for our sins".  I just didn't expect her new victim to be Jordan!

Jordan - don't listen to her.  You're free to practice any religion you want.  There is no compulsion in religion as the Qur'an says (Qur'an 2:256).  There is no need for BabyShark or anyone else to force Christianity or any other religion down your throat.  You can see where truth lies and choose your own path.

BabyShark - if you think you're gonna be saved just by believing that Jesus Christ, your Lord and Savior, died for your sins, then read your Bible again because Jesus says:

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
[Matthew 7:22-23]

Jesus is not gonna address the muslims, hindus, jews and buddhists in that statement.  He will say that to YOU BabyShark, who call yourself a Christian.  Why?  Because YOU called him Lord.  He is not your Lord.  The Father in heaven is.

Come talk to me BabyShark.  Your arguments are weak. They didn't work on me and I refuted all of them in earlier threads... I find it lame that you are now trying your luck with Jordan with those very same arguments in hope that it might work on him.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: ~ToRa~ on January 11, 2018, 09:32:08 AM
Everyone knows "Allah" means "God" in Arabic right?
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: jordan4385 on January 11, 2018, 09:34:09 AM
oh jesus christ.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Lambchops on January 11, 2018, 09:34:41 AM
Everyone knows "Allah" means "God" in Arabic right?

Yeah, and it's exactly the same GOD that the hebrews and the christians worship, they just bicker about the propherts.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on January 11, 2018, 09:49:06 AM
well for starters you just called Lambchops a newb faggot whom I've never seen being mean to anyone.

Aww thanks @BabyShark :D I missed that one.

So for the record @jordan4385, I'm actually a non-homophobic newb hetro, so I don't actually take that as an insult. On the other hand if I was a gay newb I would probably take offence at the term 'faggot' and call you a cock-juggling lamer with the IQ of an average 4-slice toaster, but hey, I really don't care that much  ;)

-- edit --

Oh yeah on further investigation I think you meant to call Sentinal1 a newb faggot, not me. np stuff happens... and BTW I really don't give a toss who sucks who's weiner around here.


how can you be aware of richard dawkins..... almost made a point then totally blew it by spraying a bunch of inaccurate and irrellivant hate-fuelled abuse

Do you realise how utterly retarded you have to be to make me stick up for the fundementalist christian in a discussion like this? OMG how do you fail that hard? Ima call your mom right now and tell her to slap some decency into you.
I got a kitchenaid 4 slice toaster for myself for Christmas and it's really good.  learning that I like to set the darkness to 5 for Ego waffles, but only a 2 for poptarts.  I get these big soft Snyders pretzels from the freezer aisle and those i set the darkness to 3-4 and they come out nice and toasted on the outside and soft and warm on the inside.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Lambchops on January 11, 2018, 10:19:30 AM
I got a kitchenaid 4 slice toaster for myself for Christmas and it's really good.  learning that I like to set the darkness to 5 for Ego waffles, but only a 2 for poptarts.  I get these big soft Snyders pretzels from the freezer aisle and those i set the darkness to 3-4 and they come out nice and toasted on the outside and soft and warm on the inside.

Nice man, that sounds like a seriously above average 4 slice toaster :)
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: ~ToRa~ on January 11, 2018, 10:46:15 AM
@eyyy im walkin here

This is a gold mine thread.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on January 11, 2018, 04:57:10 PM
I just didn't expect her new victim to be Jordan!

Definition of victim: a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action

How exactly is Jordan a "victim" here?

You have refuted exactly nothing I've said, Ze_Saint.

You insist on defending a religion whose "holy" writings promote beating women, stoning women, killing Jews, Christians, and other non-Muslims including fake "hypocrite" Muslims who do not want to kill non-Muslims, forcibly marrying children, and cutting off little girls' sexual organs while they are struggling, flailing, and screaming. Your best, most recent defense is the opinions of some random people who are either ignorant or evil (in order to defend a religion that endorses these evils). That argument is so weak that it simply isn't worth addressing. As if human opinion proves anything. If a human opinion proved a matter, then all my points are automatically proven, including my opinion that the Bible is true, because it's my opinion, if human opinion proves truth. But human opinion does not prove truth.

I can see that you are determined only to be hostile and aggressive and attack me and have no interest in learning the truth. If you did, you would have come to the truth from the many, many Scripture passages I showed you that prove that Jesus is God and that Jesus did die for our sins and was raised to life and ascended to heaven and will come back in glory to judge the living and the dead.

You don't believe that. I do believe that. I believe the Bible is true. You don't. You are free to believe as you wish, and I can see that you are determined and are not at this time going to be swayed by the truth.

Even people who do not believe that the Bible is true recognize that the Bible does teach that Jesus is God.

I'm happy to spend my time talking to people who are actually interested in truth, but when people are repeatedly shown, for example, Scripture that says that Jesus is God and refuse to acknowledge it and still keep saying the Bible doesn't teach that Jesus is God, it just becomes unprofitable to spend time engaging with a person who will not accept evidence from a source that they claim to acknowledge as an authority. You also refuse to acknowledge the evidence found in the Qu'ran and other Islamic texts that clearly teaches the things I mentioned above, and insist that they are "out of context" which is nonsense. If they are taken "out of context," and millions of Muslims follow them, why are none of the Muslims with "proper understanding" trying to stop them from killing people or taking over the world? Anyone can Google the Qu'ran verses and look up the context to see where they are. I encourage all people who want to know what Islam really teaches to just read the Qu'ran and hadiths for themselves and see what they say and not rely on Muslims who are practising taqiyya and being deceptive and dishonest when their numbers are below majority so as not to alarm the population that they are infiltrated and to be taken over once the Muslim percentage reaches majority. Taqiyya is the Islamic teaching that Muslims are allowed to lie to non-Muslims in order to make their religion sound less dangerous than it actually is to non-Muslims, in the interest of ultimate Islamic takeover.

These truths are found in Islamic writings and in the mouths of Islamic leaders who are teaching Muslims according to Islamic writings, as have been shown in videos already.

The devil doesn't care what lies people are deceived by as long as they are not saved from their sin by the only Savior there is. Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, the only Savior from sin, the only name under heaven given among men by which we may be saved.

Acts 4:10b-12

 It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. 11 Jesus is

“‘the stone you builders rejected,
    which has become the cornerstone.’

12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

Title: Re: serious question
Post by: shesycompany on January 11, 2018, 08:32:47 PM
i like the 10 commands ..cool toaster blid! :o even how to get a ip address, yall hax!!

a snow storm is coming i waited all year for this!!!! poof getting drinks
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Ze_sAiNt on January 14, 2018, 08:04:10 AM
I can see that you are determined only to be hostile and aggressive and attack me and have no interest in learning the truth...

...I'm happy to spend my time talking to people who are actually interested in truth, but when people are repeatedly shown, for example, Scripture that says that Jesus is God and refuse to acknowledge it and still keep saying the Bible doesn't teach that Jesus is God, it just becomes unprofitable to spend time engaging with a person who will not accept evidence from a source that they claim to acknowledge as an authority.


@BabyShark - you either suffer from amnesia or you have a split personality disorder.  One minute you want to engage in discussion with me and the next, you want to avoid discussion with me.  See how your posts contradict one another:

@Ze_sAiNt

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and questions. This opens the door for some interesting and useful discussion!

You are sharing good, logical questions, and I am happy to delve into them!


If you can convince me you are a truth-seeker, rather than just an attacker who wants to waste my time with frivolous and ridiculous claims that even atheists and unbelievers would or should recognize as being unScriptural, I am happy to spend more time on discussion. But a mean-spirited attacker could make up new wild claims every day that would take an hour to answer, when he is actually not at all interested in learning, but only in tearing down.

What is your goal?

My goal for you is that you come to a knowledge of the truth and to know the love of Jesus Christ who has died for your sins and mine. I want you to be saved because I care.


@Ze_sAiNt

I want to thank you for allowing me the opportunity to engage in useful dialogue with you. It is a rare person who is actually willing to put themselves and their thoughts on the line like you are doing, and I respect you for it.

It's great to see that we are digging into material and able to talk about it, a Muslim and a Christian having a conversation and discussing beliefs and writings from the past.

I am really glad that you are digging into what's in the Bible and thinking about it, and sharing those thoughts. This is what we need more of in the world, is digging into and discussing ideas and thoughts and beliefs openly, rather than simply labelling people (as Adam J. Macleod discusses in his article) and refusing to engage in what the beliefs and views actually are, in order to be able to logically either agree or disagree.

I'm short on time atm, but will get on discussing these further with you!

Again, thank you for being willing to discuss and share and dialogue. I appreciate you for this. :)


I personally find Ze_Saint to be by far the most willing to engage in actual topics and discuss actual issues, which I greatly respect him for, even though we see things quite differently at this point. I welcome points of view and discussion, from all viewpoints and people. Personal attacks and mislabelling do nothing to promote and increase understanding. I would love to be able to focus on having an actual discussion with Ze_Saint

I can see that you are determined only to be hostile and aggressive and attack me and have no interest in learning the truth.


If you happen to come to terms with yourself and decide to engage further in discussion with me, do let me know.

As far as me having refuted nothing at all of what you said, I believe I have provided ample Scriptural evidence that you are worshipping the wrong God (Jesus).  Jesus himself never claimed to be God.  You have again and again failed to prove that.  If Jesus is meant to be my Lord and Savior and he died for my sins, then I am willing to believe in it if you can prove the following points:

1) Produce any verse where Jesus either says "I am God" or where he says "Worship me".  Do that and I am ready to get baptized today.

2) Produce any verse from the Bible where someone actually calls Jesus "Immanuel" during his lifetime in order to fulfill the prophecy in Matthew 1:23.

3) Who ruled the world for 3 days and 3 nights if Jesus died as a God (ignoring the fact that saying so is blasphemy)?

4) Produce any verse from the Bible where the word "trinity" is mentioned to prove that Jesus is part of a tri-une God.


And if you can't prove these 4 points which I reckon is the bedrock of Christianity, then I'll continue claiming that you are propagating a false religion that doesn't offer salvation to anyone.


Your best, most recent defense is the opinions of some random people who are either ignorant or evil (in order to defend a religion that endorses these evils). That argument is so weak that it simply isn't worth addressing.

So this is what it comes down to:  anyone who doesn't believe that Islam is a religion of hate and evil is considered either IGNORANT or EVIL.  So tell me BabyShark, what motive would those 'random' Christians and non-muslims have in promoting a religion of EVIL???


Taqiyya is the Islamic teaching that Muslims are allowed to lie to non-Muslims in order to make their religion sound less dangerous than it actually is to non-Muslims

And where is the source of this information?  Care to provide some evidence from the Qur'an?
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: ~ToRa~ on January 14, 2018, 10:00:49 AM
Taqqiyya comes from the a sect of shiaism called "twelver's."
People who practice this aren't considered musims. Just like people who practice Catholicism aren't considered Christians.

The fact Babyshark is unable to make these basic distinctions shows her ignorance. You know I'm fairly certain she wasn't always so religious. I wonder what it was that drove her to become an christian extremist. 
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: xXxSmeagolxXx on January 14, 2018, 12:27:27 PM
Taqqiyya comes from the a sect of shiaism called "twelver's."
People who practice this aren't considered musims. Just like people who practice Catholicism aren't considered Christians.

The fact Babyshark is unable to make these basic distinctions shows her ignorance. You know I'm fairly certain she wasn't always so religious. I wonder what it was that drove her to become an christian extremist. 
I don't know anything about Taqqiyya or twelver's, but Catholics are Christians... Lol. Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists so on, they are all Christians. Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity like all the others.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Swift on January 15, 2018, 03:24:04 PM
Just like people who practice Catholicism aren't considered Christians.

That's exactly what they're considered. Catholicism is the most populous and self-proclaimed original "branch" of Christianity. The three primary and fundamental branches of Christianity are Catholicism, Protestantism, and Eastern Orthodoxy. Each of these has several, to hundreds+ of subcategories beneath them (some of the larger ones are mentioned by smeagol), and there are also other smaller branches that may or may not actually be reasonably classified as separate from the primary three branches aforementioned.

It's okay though, because you've definitely got the key takeaway from the whole religion (teachings of jesus, and old testiment - hebrew, jewish translations, etc)- it's all bullshit and silly.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Swift on January 15, 2018, 03:48:33 PM
Also - I think I know where your mix up is.

You almost never hear people talking about "Protestants" but you always hear people talk about "Catholics". I think that's because people almost always say Christians when referring to Protestants, while with Catholics it goes either way - Catholic or Christian.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on January 15, 2018, 07:13:27 PM
Catholics and Orthodox are the only real Christians. Protestants and Mormons are heretical splitters.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on January 15, 2018, 07:55:30 PM
They're a cult formed after Martin Luther sperged out and rage quit the Church because he was mad at the admins.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on January 15, 2018, 08:35:01 PM
Hmm, when it comes to religion people will have their own feelings about things and that's fine. I'm just talking about historical happenings but everyone's faith is up to them.
Title: Re: serious question
Post by: xXxSmeagolxXx on January 16, 2018, 12:56:35 PM
In Martin Luther's day you were either Catholic and would worship the way the church wanted you to or you were dead. Martin Luther wanted religious freedom to worship the way he wanted instead of being controlled by the Catholic church. He risked his own life and made it possible for others to have much more religious freedom because of his bravery.

99% sure Blid is trolling with the Catholics and Orthodox are the only real Christians...If there's a kernel of truth in your statement though, it's Christianity dude they all worship the same but slightly different beliefs.