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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: Szwagier on March 07, 2019, 10:49:12 AM
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GOG just add "new game" diablo, maybe they will add also w2
https://www.gog.com/news/release_diablo (https://www.gog.com/news/release_diablo)
yeah blizzard confirm w1 and w2 will be release on gog.com, maybe they will add something?
maybe @iL should contact to them to add diffrent languages?? like unofficial polish? draws ? etc
https://news.blizzard.com/en-gb/diablo3/22887361/diablo-now-available-on-gog-com (https://news.blizzard.com/en-gb/diablo3/22887361/diablo-now-available-on-gog-com)
last question :fro:
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Wow, that would be great! It also says GOG worked with Blizzard for some enhacements to the game, really nice if the do the same with War2 :thumbsup:
Wooooooowwwwwww
Q: Are other classic Blizzard games coming to GOG.COM?
A: Yes! We have announced that we’re partnering with GOG.COM to release Warcraft: Orcs and Humans and Warcraft II. We’ll reveal more information at a later date.
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Sounds cool!!
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Yeah I saw that Q&A too! I knew it was only a matter of time before something like this happened :). This is going to be big guys! All you pro's better be practicing up and everyone is going to need to be prepared to stay in touch on here! Wonder where the gow regulars will go.. back to War2 Ladder Challenges ?
Now GOG needs to hire iL!
en.war2.ru could be transferred more into a fan page, with the tv.war2.ru for streamers, tournament news and crap. Guides and what not would still be useful.
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does this mean a server switch is likely?
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I bet there would be a couple thousand players there. The way they have held out on this for so long who knows maybe way more. I think the majority of .RU will fork over the $10 or w/e to play with more users.
Wonder if there will be moderation for hacks. This is classic battle net we are talking about. Curious about the hosting too.
I think fastest speed will probably be making a comeback 😃
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Someone should go and report how many are playing the classic diablo.
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it'll definitely be worth checking out imo.. hopefully they bring on @iL and @mousEtopher if they're interested.
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and blid for lawls
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no no.. no sir. we've had enough lawls.
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wow i cant believe my eyes,yes they are 1,000s of people that like war2.
More Blizzard games are coming, too. Expect to see both Warcraft: Orcs & Humans and Warcraft 2 on GOG, with more details coming soon. we will see :blank:
prob just the dos version with dosbox ;D ;D ;D
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"We were bummed that these iconic games weren’t available to our players, so we‘re very happy to work with the crew at GOG.com to rectify that,” said Rob Bridenbecker, Blizzard vice president and executive producer. “This has been a long time coming and we hope our players will be excited to jump back into these classic titles.”
Nice
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"Q: Why are there two versions of the game?
A: Diablo is available in its original, unchanged Battle.net-compatible version as well as a GOG-enhanced version.
Q: What is different between the Battle.net and GOG-enhanced versions of the game?
A: The original Battle.net version of the game is completely unchanged and allows players to connect to one another through Blizzard’s Battle.net online-gaming service.
The GOG-enhanced version offers several quality of life additions, including minor audio fixes, up-scaling support for resolution and refresh rate control, and compatibility fixes. Please note that this version cannot connect to Battle.net and only supports multiplayer via LAN and P2P connection."
That part worries me a bit. If it is like that for war2 I think anyone connecting to battle.net would have a screwed up screen. :)
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maybe somekinda anti hack measure..using the p2p way is going to mean faster response times also maybe..like u can grab a peon on gold fastest easy..
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Not to be the bearer of bad news, but this probably wont bring in any new players. I have never even heard of GOG, I doubt many of you have either, there will be no huge marketing campaign, the game will simply be put there for people to play, and they will, maybe play 2 or 3 games vs friends, and thatll be it.
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Not to be the bearer of bad news, but this probably wont bring in any new players. I have never even heard of GOG, I doubt many of you have either, there will be no huge marketing campaign, the game will simply be put there for people to play, and they will, maybe play 2 or 3 games vs friends, and thatll be it.
Yes it can be but look almost 14k ppl want remake w1 w2 w3 on gog web
https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games (https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games)
Its more about how many server will be, if like old time, Europe, Asia, East, west we should make adv about ru server
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Not to be the bearer of bad news, but this probably wont bring in any new players. I have never even heard of GOG, I doubt many of you have either, there will be no huge marketing campaign, the game will simply be put there for people to play, and they will, maybe play 2 or 3 games vs friends, and thatll be it.
Really though GOG is just the distributor it is Blizzard allowing a digital download. A crap ton of gaming websites are already posting the news about this.. But ya if its not compatible with new windows then idk if it will go anywhere.
There has always been a big interest in war2 it is just about getting that many people online at the same time.. If the hype train is big enough and it does connect fine I could see a explosion of players. The first year or so especially. I just don't think .RU would be able to keep a community if it is released and working fine. The reason we migrated away to begin with was because the game quit being supported and sold in stores. The only way to get a copy of war2 was through ebay and this was 2006. Surprised it has taken them this long to do something.
Also if Blizzard is allowing GOG to distribute the game now for $$ then things might get messy for .RU allowing a free download.
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100% correct i remember seeing war2 bnet chest at sam's club ..it wasnt even in the little wal mart we had back then...came back to get it couple of months it was pulled from the shelf.
meanwhile got sc1/bw from wally in 2007.
sure i got dos war2 from wal mart, it was marketed better...whats the percentage of online people then ..56k was high as hell and isps wasn't even local alot of places.
so A) it can still do good as its not "complicated" everyone can pretty much atleast play war2 and know the basics. B) it was marketed like shit in bnet as it was already treated obsolete.
c) all u top players stay out of there, just let it gather new people :D
yup its the #1 google for wacraft 2 ..
well what do u know diablo is the best seller for gog right now...
:o got that little gem called "conflict desert storm" also :o 2 players it cant be beat.
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all u top players stay out of there, just let it gather new people
The day it comes out I will recommend everyone make their names and whatever smurf names they plan to use. After which I do agree with easycompany. We probably should wait a couple months before making a full migration.
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well idk had a good buzz rollin kinda scared now... the rts genre isnt as strong in competition as say fps, so maybe it wont get snuffed out.
there's really no use moving there,i say ru ranking system is going to be better.
if gog war2 even has one,they arent using bnet,so they will be connecting thru the lan way like kali idk
which blizzard may use kali again :o
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Any idea/guess about the release date of War2 GOG?? :-\
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I don’t like the wording of Ipx and all that shit. Worries me a little- let’s just keep raiding the channels and tell them to come here instead?
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what worries you about ipx?
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Just going back to kali ish days not sure if new playerbadr would even grasp that.
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Looked into GOG diablo yesterday:
Looks fine for me:
1. it's free of protections: just download and play.
2. data archives are still mpq. And they are still compatible with war2 mpq archives: unpacked with the same tool.
3. it's pvpgn-compatible. It didn't connect to our server (most likely i removed something important from config), but it connects to new clean pvpgn. So, we can use our server for gog diablo after simple reconfiguration.
4. I also looked into a binary code with debugger: it looks quite similar to other old blizzard projects, like war2. At least no any strong protections against debugging or w/e.
I don't play diablo at all and never did, but the main reason i try it - is to look how GOG works with things.
So, my predict for GOG-war2 is optimistic: it should work fine, with our server. It should also be compatible with some resource modifications.
I also don't know if it will 100% compatible with current war2 on network playing (i mean, to play in one game with current war2bne and GOG-war2), most likely no, but that's not a big deal at all.
Anybody tried starcraft 1 and starcraft 1 remastered? Are they compatible with each other to play the same game? Or to use old pvpgn-servers?
I hope they will follow the same way with war2.
Of course, all our utilities will not be compatible with new war2 (i mean war2insight, warvideo, war2observe, anything else, we have to eighter rewrite them (or maybe new war2 will include such functionality by default, but i hope we will be able to just migrate from current version to gog as soon as they release it.
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I have no GOG Diablo now, but as I understand they didn't change *.exe. So GOG game should be fully compatible with the original.
Starcraft remastered has higher version than original, so they are incompatible starting from version checking.
Also, I believe that most of available utilities will work with GOG Warcraft 2 too.
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I have no GOG Diablo now, but as I understand they didn't change *.exe. So GOG game should be fully compatible with the original.
Oh!
You absolutely right! I just downloaded original Diablo 1.09 and compared the .exe. Files are idenctical, expect the GOG certificate at the end of file.
I've been 100% sure they rebuilt the exe as soon as they act together with blizzard and so they should have the source code.
So, everything is even better with our projects.
Also a question is: how they changed game fps/resolution to high without touching the .exe? Just replacing some dlls?
So, can we do the same for war2?
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Yes, they can modify video mode by ddraw. You can try to reuse the one from Diablo (not sure if everything will work, but why not).
Higher FPS does not mean that your animation will be smoother. It related to game engine, if game can update picture with high FPS, it makes sense. But if your game engine update picture ~20 and lower FPS, 60 FPS from videosystem will change nothing.
Also I'm not sure that they even have source code and permissions to modify binaries (maybe even resource files, not sure). GOG usually just adds some extra utilities to run game under modern systems: ddraw, DosBox, etc. No noticeable modifications, rarely maybe only well-known amateur patches .
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I have got SC :R and i coudnt add getways
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SC: R has totally new network code. It based on modern BNET and is not compatible will old BNET/PVPGN and so on.
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Unpacked mpq from orig Diablo 109 and GOG Diablo 109: GOG's mpq is much less size: wav files are smaller. So, GOG became even worse quality than original?
Or i found non-original build, not sure.
Anyway, looks like GOG's project is not fully remastered, not more than combat: all they do is just write or find some kind of working ddraw wrapper and maybe a bnet2gog wrapper, i still didn't look into the option of the gog-server instead of bnet.
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Also I'm not sure that they even have source code and permissions to modify binaries (maybe even resource files, not sure). GOG usually just adds some extra utilities to run game under modern systems: ddraw, DosBox, etc. No noticeable modifications, rarely maybe only well-known amateur patches .
Yes, looks like Blizzard partnership is not so big as i thought,
Maybe the only "help" from Blizzard is they will allow GOG to release their game. And that costs much money for GOG...
Yes, they can modify video mode by ddraw. You can try to reuse the one from Diablo (not sure if everything will work, but why not).
Higher FPS does not mean that your animation will be smoother. It related to game engine, if game can update picture with high FPS, it makes sense. But if your game engine update picture ~20 and lower FPS, 60 FPS from videosystem will change nothing.
Yes, looks like we can get better fps and resolution as community asked, but it's absolulely useless for us: we just loose sharpness (because of pixel scaling to non-native resolution). We will see the same low-res image resized to new high resolution and we will have the same 20 fps wrapped into 60+fps allowed by that dll...
Anyway, that would be interesting to look into GOG things implemented into diablo/war2.
They made something interesting with bnet connection to change it to their own protocol or w/e.
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Maybe the only "help" from Blizzard is they will allow GOG to release their game. And that costs much money for GOG...
I think: yes. And everybody happy.
There can be two reasons:
1. More likely, but pessimistic. Blizzard decided not to remake War1/War2/Diablo1 at all. And they just gave existing version to GOG to make some money without any work.
2. Optimistic. They understood fail with Diablo1 remaster expectation and Diablo Immortal fail and decided to:
a) Dismiss "smart manager". Done.
b) Release War1/War2/Diablo1 in GOG, starting from Diablo1. Almost done
c) Announce some of these games remasters according to GOG campaign results.
They made something interesting with bnet connection to change it to their own protocol or w/e.
Don't think they have modified storm.dll too.
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I think GOG is not allowed to make core changes in the game, they just adds some external features to play in new Windows versions and so on. But the game remain the same. For instance, in some versions of their games, the just use DOSBox to run them... on modern systems, and as you know, something so simple can be done by anyone by just reading some internet guides!
By saying this, i mean the surely wont change the way the game is presented/packed, with mpq files, etc. Every tool we have to explore War2 will mostly work! ^-^ And thats why i think it'd be possible to make a War2Combat version, from the upcoming War2GOG files, and even a better version using a mix of the better files from each version, taking advantege of quality audio and movie, etc.
I also tried the Diablo 1.09 ddraw with War2Combat and wrote about in other thread (i copy below):
The Diablo (GOG) ddraw worked with War2Combat!! You even can configure the resolution with a little tool included in the Diablo folder.
All i did was copy from the folder \Diablo\dx the following files:
ddraw.dll
dxcfg.exe
dxcfg.ini
With dxcfg.exe you can change resolution and other things, War2 work with no lag, is cool!!!
It also worked in "Windows Mode" too with that ddraw :D
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And thats why i think it'd be possible to make a War2Combat version, from the upcoming War2GOG files, and even a better version using a mix of the better files from each version, taking advantege of quality audio and movie, etc.
Sure, that is the plan i'm looking into with this diablo version!
The Diablo (GOG) ddraw worked with War2Combat!! You even can configure the resolution with a little tool included in the Diablo folder.
All i did was copy from the folder \Diablo\dx the following files:
ddraw.dll
dxcfg.exe
dxcfg.ini
With dxcfg.exe you can change resolution and other things, War2 work with no lag, is cool!!!
It also worked in "Windows Mode" too with that ddraw :D
Just checked.
Sad, but it doesn't work as required:
Their launcher has 2 graphics options:
1. hi-res, but not BNET
2. BNET, but orig SVGA
I tried to start war2 with hi-res and i understand why they made such options:
Hi-res version doesn't support bnet dialogs at all.
That would be a perfect beautiful ddraw.dll with dxcfg.ini if it would support BNET dialogs...
They also have selectable option for video playback size. No idea how they made that...
Another interesting option is network wrapper. Looks like we can try to do the same and reach some interesting effects...
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nice!,im gonna mess with dosbox and 1.3 ..im just dying to test out some phones and cheap android "netbooks"
i almost see blizzard messing with gog ..for more as a blizz aquired steam if it does well.
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Their warcraft 2 release will probably be the same as the diablo release, no changes to the game and 1/2 ddraw dlls, so we can't really expect any improvements over what we have (our ddraws are better than the gog ones). However, it will be a nice promotion for the game, the diablo intro video they uploaded got 120.000 views in just a few days.
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Their warcraft 2 release will probably be the same as the diablo release, no changes to the game and 1/2 ddraw dlls, so we can't really expect any improvements over what we have (our ddraws are better than the gog ones). However, it will be a nice promotion for the game, the diablo intro video they uploaded got 120.000 views in just a few days.
Yes, exactly! I'm 99% sure they will keep the exe-file untouched, use the same dlls as for diablo (or very similar), so our project is much better.
Also, i don't think Blizzard will do something against us and war2.ru after such "Release". I think nobody cares.
At the same time, i agree that maybe will help with the game promotion a little.
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will they have a GOG bnet server? Is that what they're doing with Diablo?
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will they have a GOG bnet server? Is that what they're doing with Diablo?
Yes, their bnet server looks like pvpgn, to join for Diablo.
And i think they will use something like that server for war2 also
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So we could all add the GOG gateway to our current war2 and see if they have anyone playing
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So we could all add the GOG gateway to our current war2 and see if they have anyone playing
Haha that would be great!!