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In the Name of Allaah, Ar-Rahman (The Most Gracious), Ar-Raheem (The Most Merciful)
All praise and worship is for Allaah alone, and may His peace and blessings be upon his Messenger, his family, his companions and all those who follow them in piety and righteousness until the Final Hour is established, as to what proceeds:
Allah, the Most High, Says (What has been interpreted into the English language from Dr. Muhsin Khan and Taqqiuddin Al-Hilali):
It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it). [9:33]
Allah, the Most High, Says in the Verse prior to the one above:
They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it).
"With their mouths" means by way of lying and falsifying the truth of the religion, or by making noise over the recitation of the Qur'aan.
As can be seen in the following Verse:
And those who disbelieve say: "Listen not to this Quran, and make noise in the midst of its (recitation) that you may overcome." [41:26]
And from the means of lying and deception, Allah says:
And a party of the people of the Scripture say: "Believe in the morning in that which is revealed to the believers (Muslims), and reject it at the end of the day, so that they may turn back. [3:72]
Such as the false and deviant scholars and the fake ex-Muslims who are hellbent on "exposing" Islam, when they themselves are exposed to the believers before their plot, as Allah says (from the general understanding of the verse):
And they (disbelievers) plotted, and Allah planned too. And Allah is the Best of the planners. [3:54]
And:
And verily, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongues (as they read), so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book, and they say: "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah; and they speak a lie against Allah while they know it. [3:78]
And:
Look, how they invent a lie against Allah, and enough is that as a manifest sin. [4:50]
No matter what you respond with, it has been refuted as falsehood, and your affair in this life has been exposed as Allah says:
And We send not the Messengers except as giver of glad tidings and warners. But those who disbelieve, dispute with false argument, in order to refute the truth thereby. And they treat My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and that with which they are warned, as jest and mockery! [18:56]
So all of those who choose the disposition of opposition, your affair in this life is known to the believers, as Allah says:
Verily, those who disbelieve, it is the same to them whether you (O Muhammad Peace be upon him ) warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe. [2:6]
And:
And had We willed, We would surely have elevated him therewith but he clung to the earth and followed his own vain desire. So his description is the description of a dog: if you drive him away, he lolls his tongue out, or if you leave him alone, he (still) lolls his tongue out. Such is the description of the people who reject Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.). So relate the stories, perhaps they may reflect. [7:176]
And:
And surely, We have created many of the jinns and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless ones. [7:179]
And:
And the example of those who disbelieve, is as that of him who shouts to the (flock of sheep) that hears nothing but calls and cries. (They are) deaf, dumb and blind. So they do not understand. [2:171]
And the predictable response of the disbeliever is also known, as Allah says:
Verily! (During the worldly life) those who committed crimes used to laugh at those who believed. And whenever they passed by them, used to wink one to another (in mockery); And when they returned to their own people, they would return jesting; And when they saw them, they said: "Verily! These have indeed gone astray!" But they (disbelievers, sinners) had not been sent as watchers over them (the believers). But this Day (the Day of Resurrection) those who believe will laugh at the disbelievers [83:29-34]
So the matter has been settled.
The Qur'an does not support any other religion as truth whatsoever (particularly Christians who think that Allah has vouched for Christianity), as Allah says:
And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers. [3:85]
So:
...Say: "Perish in your rage. Certainly, Allah knows what is in the breasts (all the secrets)." [3:119]
And to bring it back to one of the current scholars of Islam, Shaykh Muhammad Sa'eed Raslan, may Allah preserve him, his lecture will illuminate the reality of the current state of affairs and firmly establish Islam as the superior religion and way of life over all other paths.
And regardless of the path you choose, Allah says:
Do they seek other than the religion of Allah (the true Islamic Monotheism worshipping none but Allah Alone), while to Him submitted all creatures in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly. And to Him shall they all be returned. [3:83]
Whether you believe or disbelieve is irrelevant, you are a slave of Allah, willingly or unwillingly, Allah says:
Verily, Allah! Unto Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, He gives life and He causes death. And besides Allah you have neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper. [9:116]
Watch it or not, take heed or not, it doesn't matter:
Say: "Who is he who can protect you from Allah if He intends to harm you, or intends mercy on you?" And they will not find, besides Allah, for themselves any Wali (protector, supporter, etc.) or any helper. [33:17]
Allah says:
Say (O Muhammad): "Verily, my Salat (prayer), my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns and all that exists). [6:162]
And:
Say (O Muhammad to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
And:
Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Iesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)." [2:136]
...say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims." [3:64]
Whatever is correct is from Allah and any errors are from my own hand.
Alhamdulillaahi Rabbil'Alaameen
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As for the correct methodology then, Allah did not reveal politics or Sufism to the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم, nor did he reveal Shi'aism or any such sort of deviation.
Allah revealed Tawheed, pure Monotheism as the foundation of Islam, with the sole purpose of removing and freeing mankind from the shackles of worshipping creation, be it yourself (as gods as many people do today), other men (as many do when they worship saints or prophets), idols or any other animate or inanimate object that can be percieved with the senses (i.e. anything within the realm of creation).
This was the first 13 years of revelation, Tawheed.
Tawheed (Islamic Monotheism) is the most important aspect of the religion. If the Creed of Tawheed is corrupted, then the rest of ones religion becomes corrupt and leads to deviation or disbelief.
Tawheed consists of 3 categories: Tawheedur Rubooboyyah (Monotheism of Allah's Lordship); Tawheedul Uluhiyyah/Ibaadah (Monotheism of Allah's Divinity/Worship) and Tawheedul Asma wa Sifaat (Monotheism of Allah's Names and Attributes).
Tawheedur Ruboobiyyah means that Allah is the Creator and Lord of all that exists and in His Hands are Life and Death and the Divine Pre-Decree. All from mankind believe in this except for the atheists who deny Allah in total. The polytheists associate the creation of Allah with Allah Himself, such as saying that the "Universe" (which Allah created) has power over destiny. Some of the extremists go further and believe that they are Allah when they say, "We are our own gods", when Allah says:
Do they attribute as partners to Allah those who created nothing but they themselves are created? [7:191]
And:
Say (O Muhammad): "Who is the Lord of the heavens and the earth?" Say: "(It is) Allah." Say: "Have you then taken (for worship) Auliya' (protectors, etc.) other than Him, such as have no power either for benefit or for harm to themselves?" Say: "Is the blind equal to the one who sees? Or darkness equal to light? Or do they assign to Allah partners who created the like of His creation, so that the creation (which they made and His creation) seemed alike to them." Say: "Allah is the Creator of all things, He is the One, the Irresistible." [13:16]
And as some of the opponents claim (although the notion has been refuted and destroyed), that Allah is a "moon" god, rather, Allah says:
And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him. [41:37]
As for the second category: Tawheedul Uluhiyyah/Ibaadah, then this is what seperate the believers from the disbelievers due to the fact that this aspect of Tawheed refers to worship, and worship of Allah is specific, as Allah Says:
When you have finished As-Salat (the prayer - congregational), remember Allah standing, sitting down, and lying down on your sides, but when you are free from danger, perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as- Salat). Verily, the prayer is enjoined on the believers at fixed hours. [4:103]
Along with this is fasting for the month of Ramadhaan for Allah's sake, and paying Zakat and performing Hajj to Makkah, and these are the 4 pillars of Islam which are invalid without the first pillar and that is bearing witness that Allah is the only deity worthy of worship and that Muhammad is His slave and Messenger.
So the prayer, as the second pillar is the dividing line between belief and disbelief, and the Muslims are the only ones to engage in this obligatory act. As in the hadeeth:
Narrated Jabir: that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: "Between disbelief and faith is abandoning the Salat." At-Tirmidhi 2618 (saheeh)
The third category, Tawheedul Asma wa Siffat refers to Allah's Beautiful Names and Attributes, such as Ar-Rahman (the Most Gracious), Ar-Raheem (The Most Merciful) which is how every Chapter, save one (9) begins in the Qur'an, with Allah's Names. As for His attributes, we know that Allah has Hands, and Eyes and Vision, and Hearing, and a Face (which the believers will see on the Day of Judgement and the disbelivers will be blinded from so they won't even see Who is punishing them while knowing that the punishment is real), and we do not say anything or elaborate on these attributes. We accept them as Allah has stated in the Qur'an or hadith without addition or ommission.
This is the category that seperates the deviant groups from the saved sect in Islam. The Sufis, the Mu'tazilah, the Shi'ah and so forth distort this aspect of Tawheed and plunge themselves into the darknes of deviation and misguidance.
The saved sect is Ahlus Sunnah wal Jammah (The People of the Sunnah and the Congregation), as Allah's Messenger has informed us about:
It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).” Narrated by Abu Dawood (4597) and others; classed as saheeh by al-Haakim (1/128), who said: it is an important hadeeth that represents a basic principle..
The saved sect are the Muslims who follow the religion as was understood by Allah's Messenger and his companions, and all those who follow them until today, and today this approach, this methodology is known as Minhajus Salafiyyah (The Methodology of the [Pious] Predecessors).
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Islam may work for the men that survive childhood (and aren't sent off to occupy foreign lands or blow themselves up for Jihad) in giving them some level of dominion and power and self-importance while alive on earth, but it sure does not work well for the women and girls who are forced to have their genitals cut out and sewn shut, forced to marry old men as children, forced to have their damaged and mutilated private area penetrated and ripped apart by an adult man for intercourse, then forced to birth children through all that scar tissue, forced to tolerate their husband marrying multiple wives, forced to live with physical hitting and sometimes having face or body chemically burned or having their nose removed, not being allowed to leave the house without permission and/or an escort, not being able to get medical care without a husband's consent, not being allowed to talk to men or have any kind of freedom, forced to live under a black fabric bag for life, not even able to get sunlight or fresh air or have enough freedom to choose what she wants to wear.
And no, not every single woman in every Islamic country is abused to the same degree, but every woman that is abused has the stamp of approval of Allah and the Qu'ran, and no man says a word or looks remotely surprised to see this woman beaten in public in daylight in a crowded place:
An Innocent Muslim Woman Getting beaten in Streets in Sudan - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdc_CIROnHY#)
Here you can see a clip from Afghanistan, a giant mob of angry Muslim men beat a woman to death, accused of the crime of burning a Qu'ran. A few police try, but are far outnumbered and unable to save her:
muslim mob brutally beat practising muslim woman to death in afghanistan - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOgThAyMpb4#)
After she is kicked and beaten to death, then run over by a car, dragged by a car, set on fire, they discovered that she has not actually even burned a Qu'ran (which, even if she had, should never result in this kind of horrific abuse and murder).
Causing suffering, beating up, torturing, and killing the most vulnerable members of society, women and children, particularly girl children, is not good. This is evil. This is pure evil.
Islam is a religion of men beating up and raping women and girls. This is factual, there is evidence, anyone who denies this truth is a liar.
Men brutally beating woman and her four daughters
Caught on camera: Widow, four daughters beaten up brutally at their home - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQgs7C_8bU0#)
19 year old woman stoned to death after fleeing man she was forced to marry
Woman stoned for adultery - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHtLNWkPsZ0#)
Leaving Islam is a choice punishable by death.
Islam is a religion of hatred, abuse, torture, killing, forcing, and offer no hope or help to anyone.
Muhammad is dead and lies in his grave.
Jesus is alive, and has died for the sins of every sinner, you, me, every Muslim.
The true God is a God of love and compassion and forgiveness, who does not demand we sacrifice our sons and daughters to appease Him.
He is the God that gave Himself to suffering to save the people He loves by taking our sin on the cross and dying for us in our place.
My God teaches us to love people, care for people, be kind to people, help people, and even love and pray for enemies (which is admittedly very difficult).
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As for a general list of deviant sects in Islam, the following is a list of sects that deviate away from proper understanding:
The Shi'ah - Who worship 'Ali (may Allah be pleased with him), they worship their Imams, make sacrifices to the grave, perform self-flagellation, curse the wives and companions of the Prophet Muhammad. Pray in a manner other than what was legislated in the Shari'ah. Distort the meaning of the verses in the Qur'an and lie about the Qur'an itself. They worship others besides Allah, claim the Angel Gabriel made an error in delivering the Revelation, cut themselves, practice prostitution (mutta), practice dissimulation and deception known as Taqqiyyah (which is part of the Shi'ah doctrine). This is why the scholars say that Shi'aism is disbelief but we cannot say that an individual person who identifies as Shi'ah is not Muslim because they may euther be total ignoramuses or may not hold the same polytheistic and heretical beliefs of their religion. This descritption refers to primarily the Rawafidh (12er Shi'ah) who are the majority of the sect, and are the ones who follow the Ayatollah's in Iran. The Shi'ah army known as Hezbollah, are a terrorist group.
The Khawaarij - This group appeared at the time of the Prophet and make up the majority of deviant groups today. These are the extremists and some of the names they go by are, the Shi'ah (who believe that killing Sunnis is a virtuous deed), The Sufis, the Tabligh/Deobandi (who are also Sufis), The Muslim Brotherhood, who are in reality a Freemasonic organization formed in Egypt by Sufis and the British government. The Ahmadiyyah (who are heretics and disbelievers), The Taaliban, Boko Haram, Al-Qa'idah, Islamic State In Syria (ISIS/Daesh), so on and so forth. Anygroup that engages in oppression, assassination, terrorism and murders inncocents Muslim or non-Muslim belongs to this group.
Orginizations such as CAIR, ICNA and so on in the United States are funded by the Muslim Brotherhood, who are an "Islamic" mask for the Freemasons, this is why they are able to be in the press and media and in positions of power, because they are Masonic pawns. In order to elucidate further, Shaykh Muhammad Sa'eed Raslan describes their history beriefly:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kBPnTzoTq6o
The Muslim Brotherhood believe in union with everyone, Jews, Christians, and the deviants from the Muslims. They believe in strength in numbers and one of their main calls to action is protesting and political activism. These actions are prohibited in Islam. Revolutionary action, and uniting upon falsehood is prohibited. Protesting is prohibited along with any radical engagement.
These groups above are from one extreme end, and the other extreme end are those, especially in the West who claim to be the "Moderate" Muslims, who go to the extreme of being Lackadaisical. Who reject hadeeth, and contradict the religion and the injunctions of the injunctions ordained by Allah. These are those who seek to imitate the West and their people, who change the religion to please the enemies of Allah. May Allah guide us all.
And this is an extremely brief look into the current state of affairs of the Muslim groups.
Whatever is correct is from Allah and whatever is incorrect is from myself.
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Islam may work for the men that survive childhood (and aren't sent off to occupy foreign lands or blow themselves up for Jihad) in giving them some level of dominion and power and self-importance while alive on earth, but it sure does not work well for the women and girls who are forced to have their genitals cut out and sewn shut, forced to marry old men as children, forced to have their damaged and mutilated private area penetrated and ripped apart by an adult man for intercourse, then forced to birth children through all that scar tissue, forced to tolerate their husband marrying multiple wives, forced to live with physical hitting and sometimes having face or body chemically burned or having their nose removed, not being allowed to leave the house without permission and/or an escort, not being able to get medical care without a husband's consent, not being allowed to talk to men or have any kind of freedom, forced to live under a black fabric bag for life, not even able to get sunlight or fresh air or have enough freedom to choose what she wants to wear.
And no, not every single woman in every Islamic country is abused to the same degree, but every woman that is abused has the stamp of approval of Allah and the Qu'ran, and no man says a word or looks remotely surprised to see this woman beaten in public in daylight in a crowded place:
An Innocent Muslim Woman Getting beaten in Streets in Sudan - YouTube ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdc_CIROnHY#[/url])
Here you can see a clip from Afghanistan, a giant mob of angry Muslim men beat a woman to death, accused of the crime of burning a Qu'ran. A few police try, but are far outnumbered and unable to save her:
muslim mob brutally beat practising muslim woman to death in afghanistan - YouTube ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOgThAyMpb4#[/url])
After she is kicked and beaten to death, then run over by a car, dragged by a car, set on fire, they discovered that she has not actually even burned a Qu'ran (which, even if she had, should never result in this kind of horrific abuse and murder).
Causing suffering, beating up, torturing, and killing the most vulnerable members of society, women and children, particularly girl children, is not good. This is evil. This is pure evil.
Islam is a religion of men beating up and raping women and girls. This is factual, there is evidence, anyone who denies this truth is a liar.
Men brutally beating woman and her four daughters
Caught on camera: Widow, four daughters beaten up brutally at their home - YouTube ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQgs7C_8bU0#[/url])
19 year old woman stoned to death after fleeing man she was forced to marry
Woman stoned for adultery - YouTube ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHtLNWkPsZ0#[/url])
Leaving Islam is a choice punishable by death.
Islam is a religion of hatred, abuse, torture, killing, forcing, and offer no hope or help to anyone.
Muhammad is dead and lies in his grave.
Jesus is alive, and has died for the sins of every sinner, you, me, every Muslim.
The true God is a God of love and compassion and forgiveness, who does not demand we sacrifice our sons and daughters to appease Him.
He is the God that gave Himself to suffering to save the people He loves by taking our sin on the cross and dying for us in our place.
My God teaches us to love people, care for people, be kind to people, help people, and even love and pray for enemies (which is admittedly very difficult).
I didn't read this, but it is obvious that you did not read my post either. Anyway, it doesn't matter, whatever you posted was already exposed prior to your posting, which is how I know you didn't read. It seems like you have a copy and paste archive of generic arguments that you use when the opportunity arises.
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@BabyShark
Actually, Coptic Christians (who are the closest to the Orthodox Christian teachings), they do execute apostates in the Churches (in Egypt), and even they call 'God' Allah and Jesus, son of Allah.
So regardless of what you say, Allah is God and Jesus is Allah's creation. They know it, we know it, you do not.
Most of the West is in darkness about the reality of their own religion and you seem to be among those Christians that knows zero about their religion:
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [1 Corinthians 14:34]
Is this not a law you are violating now? Not only this, but you are distorting what the Bible actually says.
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@BabyShark
Allah Says:
"He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;" [19:30]
And:
['Iesa (Jesus) said]: "And verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him (Alone). That is the Straight Path. (Allah's Religion of Islamic Monotheism which He did ordain for all of His Prophets)." [19:36]
And:
And (remember) when Allah said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allah's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad, 'Iesa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Quran] till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute." [3:55]
And:
And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen. [5:116]
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@BabyShark
If you want to prove the superiority of Christianity (which you can't) then how about debating with facts from your religion instead of emotional appeals? That tactic that you used is what manipulative cult leaders use to brainwash the weak minded. You brought nothing from your Book (the WHOLE Book), but rather, youtube videos that prove nothing to anyone with a modicum of sincerity and knowledge and some personal annecdotes based on absolute ignorance of Islam. And, pretending to know does not equal knowledge, so either respond with facts from your Book that counter what I have said or, as your Book says, keep silent.
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I didn't read this, but it is obvious that you did not read my post either. Anyway, it doesn't matter, whatever you posted was already exposed prior to your posting, which is how I know you didn't read. It seems like you have a copy and paste archive of generic arguments that you use when the opportunity arises.
Actually, I did read your post, and I didn't copy/paste anything in my post other than the YouTube links showing large numbers of Muslim men brutally beating and killing women in public while shouting how great Islam is. I will be copying and pasting in the future and have in the past and see no issue with it so long as it pertains to the topic and the source is referenced/credited.
Most of the West is in darkness about the reality of their own religion and you seem to be among those Christians that knows zero about their religion:
Most of the West are not Christians. A very small percentage of people in North America today go to church and read their Bibles regularly. The idea that all Westerners are Christians is completely inaccurate. The vast majority are not Christians. You can see the decline of religiosity in North America has been significant in the last century.
https://religionnews.com/2014/01/27/great-decline-religion-united-states-one-graph/
And of the low number of people attending a place of worship regularly, only a small fraction of those are worshipping the true God.
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Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. [1 Corinthians 14:34]
Is this not a law you are violating now? Not only this, but you are distorting what the Bible actually says.
Now you're just being silly. This is an internet forum, not a church. This verse is saying that God called men to be leaders of churches, the shepherds of His flock (pastors) and not women.
If you want to prove the superiority of Christianity (which you can't) then how about debating with facts from your religion instead of emotional appeals?
How do you define "superiority"? I would say truth is superior to a lie. A God that exists is superior to a God that doesn't. A God of love and mercy and compassion is superior to a God of hate and violence and abuse and oppression.
How does one know what's right and wrong, what's good and bad? By what God says. So if Allah is the true God, and Allah says beating and killing women is what pleases Him, then either beating and killing women is good and right, or Allah is either a liar or does not exist.
If Allah is a liar, nothing he says can be trusted.
If Allah does not exist, nothing he says has any meaning, and is simply the concoction of a man who wanted a means to control others.
Is Allah reliable? Is Allah trustworthy?
Are stars really missiles to hit devils with?
Surah As-Saaffat 6-10
Verily, We have decorated the nearest sky with an adornment, the stars, and (have made them) a security against every rebellious devil. They cannot listen to the Upper Realm and are hit from every side to be driven off, and for them there is a lasting punishment; However, if one snatches a little bit, he is pursued by a bright flame.
In volume 4 and chapter 3 of Sahih al-Bukhari
(About the) Stars, Abu Qatada mentioning Allah’s Statement: ‘And We have Adorned the nearest heaven with lamps,” (67:5) And said, “The creations of these stars is for three purposes, i.e. as decorations on the sky, as missiles to hit the devils, and as signs to guide travelers. So, if anybody tries to find a different interpretation, he is mistaken and just wastes his efforts, and troubles himself with what is beyond his limited knowledge.
Did someone really find the place where the sun sets into a pool of water?
Surah Al-Kahf verses 83-86
They ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say, “I shall now recite to you an account of him. Surely, We gave him power on earth and gave him means to (have) everything (he needs). So he followed a course, until when he reached the point of sunset, he found it setting into a miry spring, and found a people near it. We said, “O Dhul-Qarnain, either punish them or adopt good behavior with them.”
verses 89 and 90
Thereafter he followed a course, until when he reached the point of sunrise, he found it rising over a people for whom We did not make any shelter against it.
In Sunan Abu Dawud (3991)
Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.
Is a baby's gender really determined later than conception?
Sahih Muslim 6397
Anas ibn Malik reported directly from Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) that he said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, has appointed an angel as the caretaker of the womb, and he would say: My Lord, it is now a drop of semen; my Lord, it is now a clot of blood; my Lord, it has now become a lump of flesh, and when Allah decides to give it a final shape, the angel says: My Lord, would it be male or female or would be be an evil or a good person? What about his livelihood and his age? And it is all written as he is in the womb of his mother.
Are Muhammad's instructions for health and hygiene scientifically sound?
Sahih Al-Bukhari 537: “Narrated Abu Huraira: The prophet said “If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease.””
Sunan Abu Dawud 67: “I heard that the people asked the Prophet of Allah (peace be upon him): Water is brought for you from the well of Buda’ah. It is a well in which dead dogs, menstrual cloths and excrement of people are thrown. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) replied: Verily water is pure and is not defiled by anything.”
Sunan Ibn Majah 520: “It was narrated that Jabir bin Abdullah said: “We came to a pond in which there was the carcass of a donkey, so we refrained from using the water until the Messenger of Allah came to us and said: ‘Water is not made impure by anything.’ Then we drank from it and gave it to our animals to drink, and we carried some with us.””
The teachings of Muhammad are man-made, not from a divine being who is trustworthy and knowledgeable.
(Material taken from https://crossexamined.org/the-quran-muhammad-modern-science-scientific-miracles-blunders/)
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@BabyShark
Superiority is define by the Qur'an and that is Islam.
As for the rest of your rant, go and tell that to the people who are closer to the original teachings of Jesus. And tell them that Allah is not God. This confusion is due to being illiterate of language that you are far removed from.
And you have yet to bring any substantial argument, rather baseless opinions with little understanding of Ahadeeth literature. You are not a scholar nor do you comprehend the context of the Ahadeeth or the complexity of the Arabic language to know what to use as a response.
Taking an English interpretation without knowledge, at face value is ignorance. The difference when I do it, is that I know my sources and the context and can find corroborating proof to support it, you do not.
Instead, you try to appeal on emotional level, which requires little intellect.
Unfortunately, you are asking the wrong questions, and to the wrong person.
All these "if such and such" type questions are baseless and are a failed attempt at inducing doubts. Perhaps if I was not prepared to respond with a bit of knowledge, or had little understanding of my religion, that attempt may have work as I'm sure it does with a lot of ignorant Muslims you have communicated with as is apparent from the way you structure your "argument".
If you have read what I posted originally, you would have known that whatever you bring has already been foretold. So I am not surprised that you did exactly what I said someone in your disposition would do. And that is only because Allah Knows all things, and the Qur'an has refuted your arguments before they ever existed. If what you say is true, then these things would have been in the accusations made by the enemies of Allah in the times of the Prophet. His own family would have accused him of what the people of today say, but, since this is not the case, especially since they accused him of everything under the sun during his life, it is safe to say that you and those who come with similar arguments are clueless as to the reality of Islam.
Again, if you read what I posted originally, you knew that your argument has been dismantled ina concise and simple manner, so what was the purpose of posting all of this jibberish?
Did you assume I was one of those Muslims that was going to reiterate with something other than Islam, like politics and trying to rationalize whatever the content of those videos (which still prove nothing), in some way, shape or form?
I suggest a different approach.
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But I do know that gender is determined at conception, that the sun does not set into a murky pool of water, that carcasses and dead meat are breeding grounds for bacteria that can make people very sick, and no one has any evidence that suggests that stars are missiles to attack devils with.
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But I do know that gender is determined at conception, that the sun does not set into a murky pool of water, that carcasses and dead meat are breeding grounds for bacteria that can make people very sick, and no one has any evidence that suggests that stars are missiles to attack devils with.
These are not argument or proof of anything, nor are they rebuttles.
First of all, aside from the Sahih Muslim Hadeeth, how do we know the hadeeth you decided to post, without knowledge of Principle of Hadeeth, are authentic, or weak or even fabricated? Do you know if they are? What is the explanation of these hadith in the Arabic context, from a reputable Scholar of the Sunnah? As a matter of fact, who translated the Arabic of the hadeeth into English, and did they translate accurately?
You don't know.
So your argument, is still null and void until you can bring corroborating evidence from the Ulema regarding the hadeeth you decided to use, because you clearly do not know how this works.
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But I do know that gender is determined at conception, that the sun does not set into a murky pool of water, that carcasses and dead meat are breeding grounds for bacteria that can make people very sick, and no one has any evidence that suggests that stars are missiles to attack devils with.
Conception is defined as
the action of conceiving a child or of a child being conceived.
Meaning when the egg is fertilized.
The gender of the child becomes known, according to https://www.babycenter.com/404_when-and-how-can-i-find-out-my-babys-sex_10366575.bc (https://www.babycenter.com/404_when-and-how-can-i-find-out-my-babys-sex_10366575.bc)
Most pregnant women find out their baby's sex (if they choose to know) during their mid-pregnancy ultrasound, usually between 16 and 20 weeks. However, the technician may not be able to tell for sure if she can't get a clear view of the baby's genitals.
Clearly, what you think you know is wrong.
No one has evidence that the stars are missles to attack the shayateen except for Allah (in the Qur'an), Who teaches men about that which they do not know through revelation.
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@BabyShark
As for the other ahadeeth, we still need to know their reality, and we need a proper explanation for them from the Scholars of Islam, not you. In Arabic and translated by a trustworthy source.
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This is entertaining! lol
No one has evidence that the stars are missles to attack the shayateen except for Allah (in the Qur'an), Who teaches men about that which they do not know through revelation.
This is golden!!! I had no idea that Mohammed had stated such a thing!
The beauty of the dark ages... Destroy all knowledge and convince people about everything...
By the way only Arab Christians (such as Egyptians) use Allah to refer to God
Allah is not a name it literally means The God.
The name of god in the aforementioned religions originates from Jewish and if u want to get an idea about it you can start from here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God#Judaism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God#Judaism)).
It is also very funny to know how we have believers of Judaism, Christianity and Islam thinking that the believe a different god :-D
These three religions believe to the same god... Which refer it as the One True God...
Now, lets return to the topic: The superiority of Islam...
In my limited knowledge about religions (haven't read the Quran, I have read the old Testimony and I was forced to more or less read the new Testimony).
I have studied several survey articles that discuss several different religions. (Including Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, different factions of Christianity, Islam, old religions)
I have a quite extensive historical knowledge.
And I have lived in a rather multi-religious environment and societies.
So first my personal opinion without facts and full of bias: The SUPERIOR religion of them all is the LACK OF RELIGION...
A bit of facts: The biggest crimes in history where made in the name of GOD. Religion takes out the worst of people. More or less what :critter: do to :peon:
The rise of religions (Christianity, Islam) in the ancient world meant the collapse of civilization the lost of knowledge and the return of human life standard to the equivalent of an APE.
If I would change something historically, it would be the appearance of the prophets... Just send a terminator: Terminator Vs Jesus HD The Greatest Action Story Ever Told Mad Tv 1996 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeuBPDUzB0#)
Millions of people would not have died, we would be 400-500 years technologically more advanced. And most probably we would be much more peaceful...
Is it the fault of the prophets? Of course not... But give a weapon that controls the masses and that is what happens.
Now to some more hard core evidence:
To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true. --Aristotle
With this simple sentence, Aristotle proved all religions to be false! Not a single one survived :-D (Perhaps Buddhism is the only one that might not be falsified)
Explanation: Buddhism, is not a religion it is a philosophy for the Metaphysical. Buddha does not refer to any God or superior being, only says that we should search for inner enlightenment.
While, I have not read all of the Buddhist texts, it is possible that the state nothing that is false, thus Buddhism is not falsified.
Being not falsified does not necessarily make something true. It could simply be unproven...
Then I would need to explain u the incompleteness theorem... But that is too complicated for simpletons that believe stuff like:
No one has evidence that the stars are missles to attack the shayateen except for Allah (in the Qur'an), Who teaches men about that which they do not know through revelation.
Or that believe that the Earth is flat, we haven't went to the moon, etc...
Now, as it is clear for me that Religion it self is inferior and that we should abolish it... Let me try to choose a Superior religion among the ones that I have some knowledge for...
I will define superiority based one three (3) different categories:
1) Creation of the world (best story)
2) Promotion of ethics (love, hate, equality)
3) Enlightenment for Believer/Society (Self development, freedom, evolution)
For (1)
Christianity, Islam, Judaism would score the same... The have the same story more or less.
Hinduism is very rich in stories, I barely know a few of them... But I do believe is richer than the other religions. (Probably they should earn the highest score here).
Buddhism gets its stories from real peoples lives and makes an allegory out of them.
Ohh and let me mention the best of them all: There exists 1 religion (has some small variations) that has the most AMAZING stories among them all.
The stories are based in Cosmogony and describe Astronomical events. The more Historians study them, the more the have to turn to science to understand them. Or in other words, the need to read Physics and just name entities of events in Physics or other sciences fields and the get the stories!
Quoting Wikipedia:
Extrapolation of the expansion of the universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past.[14] This singularity indicates that general relativity is not an adequate description of the laws of physics in this regime. Models based on general relativity alone can not extrapolate toward the singularity beyond the end of the Planck epoch.
This primordial singularity is itself sometimes called "the Big Bang",[15] but the term can also refer to a more generic early hot, dense phase[16][notes 1] of the universe. In either case, "the Big Bang" as an event is also colloquially referred to as the "birth" of our universe since it represents the point in history where the universe can be verified to have entered into a regime where the laws of physics as we understand them (specifically general relativity and the standard model of particle physics) work.
And the myth:
In the beginning was an emptiness called Chaos - the yawning gap. Then Earth -or Gaia- sprang, without parents, into being. Her broad bosom provided a sturdy seat for the gods to come. And suddenly there appeared Eros, the fairest of immortals. At his touch bodies melt; he destroys will and reason, not only for humans but even for gods. In the beginning, then, were these all-powerful three.
Chaos is the infinite emptiness, Gaia is the singularity, Eros is the infinite density and temperature...
Wow the Big Bang theory from 4000BC????~WTF...
For (2)
Islam would score very low on this category...
Christianity is somewhere in the middle.
Judaism scores well within Hebrews (The chosen people) and bad for the others...
Buddhism is very high on this being the only religion that has not even raised weapons towards their enemies... (Wait for it there is even better)
Brahma based Hinduism would score pretty well
Kali based Hinduism would score pretty bad
lol the beauty of Hinduism, it super contains almost all other religions.
Wait, is love and pacifism the nature of Man??? If it was then the highest score would be on Buddhism...
But the reality lies elsewhere... One religion, accepted man as is! And deified all its characteristics. Man has love, care, peace, wisdom but also has hatred, sexual distortion, war, foolishness, inside him. Rejecting/oppressing all that is not healthy... Wait is this psychology??? Oh you guessed what religion I'm referring too?
(3) Well here, almost all prevailing religions mess up...
For Christianism you need to check Hermits. And yes all religions have their equivalent.
Only Buddhism is actively promoting believer and society enlightenment. All others care more about believers following the rules... (Well taxes pay the bills).
The "Old Religion" did promoted society enlightenment and some individual one. But truthfully we miss some of the details for me to be able to score it.
One thing I can say for sure, is that it was a religion of equality and love much more than what some religions claim.
Some indications for that: 12 gods (6 male, 6 female) Still it was a patriarch based religion with Zeus being the Father and leader of all. An element that was also reflected to the society.
Intellectual the wisest the Goddess of knowledge was Athena! A female god that was borne by the head of Zeus.
Balance always was represented in female figures, while strength in male ones.
Now about love, it is enough to mention that one of the three primordial gods is Love it self (Eros).
But further than that, it is much more important to mention that as a religion it accepted love in all forms: Love for oneself, for family, for the same gender, for animals, for items, for arts for everything. While the Judaism based religions only accept love for God and human and not for anything else.
Oh damn, I revealed the mystery religion :-P
Lets now see the flames of truth spread!
Holy inquisition and Jihad entering in our discussions :-D
You holy slayers, butchers of Science and Enlightenment bring it on :-D
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This is entertaining! lol
No one has evidence that the stars are missles to attack the shayateen except for Allah (in the Qur'an), Who teaches men about that which they do not know through revelation.
This is golden!!! I had no idea that Mohammed had stated such a thing!
The beauty of the dark ages... Destroy all knowledge and convince people about everything...
By the way only Arab Christians (such as Egyptians) use Allah to refer to God
Allah is not a name it literally means The God.
The name of god in the aforementioned religions originates from Jewish and if u want to get an idea about it you can start from here ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God#Judaism[/url] ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God#Judaism[/url])).
It is also very funny to know how we have believers of Judaism, Christianity and Islam thinking that the believe a different god :-D
These three religions believe to the same god... Which refer it as the One True God...
Now, lets return to the topic: The superiority of Islam...
In my limited knowledge about religions (haven't read the Quran, I have read the old Testimony and I was forced to more or less read the new Testimony).
I have studied several survey articles that discuss several different religions. (Including Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, different factions of Christianity, Islam, old religions)
I have a quite extensive historical knowledge.
And I have lived in a rather multi-religious environment and societies.
So first my personal opinion without facts and full of bias: The SUPERIOR religion of them all is the LACK OF RELIGION...
A bit of facts: The biggest crimes in history where made in the name of GOD. Religion takes out the worst of people. More or less what :critter: do to :peon:
The rise of religions (Christianity, Islam) in the ancient world meant the collapse of civilization the lost of knowledge and the return of human life standard to the equivalent of an APE.
If I would change something historically, it would be the appearance of the prophets... Just send a terminator: Terminator Vs Jesus HD The Greatest Action Story Ever Told Mad Tv 1996 - YouTube ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIeuBPDUzB0#[/url])
Millions of people would not have died, we would be 400-500 years technologically more advanced. And most probably we would be much more peaceful...
Is it the fault of the prophets? Of course not... But give a weapon that controls the masses and that is what happens.
Now to some more hard core evidence:
To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true. --Aristotle
With this simple sentence, Aristotle proved all religions to be false! Not a single one survived :-D (Perhaps Buddhism is the only one that might not be falsified)
Explanation: Buddhism, is not a religion it is a philosophy for the Metaphysical. Buddha does not refer to any God or superior being, only says that we should search for inner enlightenment.
While, I have not read all of the Buddhist texts, it is possible that the state nothing that is false, thus Buddhism is not falsified.
Being not falsified does not necessarily make something true. It could simply be unproven...
Then I would need to explain u the incompleteness theorem... But that is too complicated for simpletons that believe stuff like:
No one has evidence that the stars are missles to attack the shayateen except for Allah (in the Qur'an), Who teaches men about that which they do not know through revelation.
Or that believe that the Earth is flat, we haven't went to the moon, etc...
Now, as it is clear for me that Religion it self is inferior and that we should abolish it... Let me try to choose a Superior religion among the ones that I have some knowledge for...
I will define superiority based one three (3) different categories:
1) Creation of the world (best story)
2) Promotion of ethics (love, hate, equality)
3) Enlightenment for Believer/Society (Self development, freedom, evolution)
For (1)
Christianity, Islam, Judaism would score the same... The have the same story more or less.
Hinduism is very rich in stories, I barely know a few of them... But I do believe is richer than the other religions. (Probably they should earn the highest score here).
Buddhism gets its stories from real peoples lives and makes an allegory out of them.
Ohh and let me mention the best of them all: There exists 1 religion (has some small variations) that has the most AMAZING stories among them all.
The stories are based in Cosmogony and describe Astronomical events. The more Historians study them, the more the have to turn to science to understand them. Or in other words, the need to read Physics and just name entities of events in Physics or other sciences fields and the get the stories!
Quoting Wikipedia:
Extrapolation of the expansion of the universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past.[14] This singularity indicates that general relativity is not an adequate description of the laws of physics in this regime. Models based on general relativity alone can not extrapolate toward the singularity beyond the end of the Planck epoch.
This primordial singularity is itself sometimes called "the Big Bang",[15] but the term can also refer to a more generic early hot, dense phase[16][notes 1] of the universe. In either case, "the Big Bang" as an event is also colloquially referred to as the "birth" of our universe since it represents the point in history where the universe can be verified to have entered into a regime where the laws of physics as we understand them (specifically general relativity and the standard model of particle physics) work.
And the myth:
In the beginning was an emptiness called Chaos - the yawning gap. Then Earth -or Gaia- sprang, without parents, into being. Her broad bosom provided a sturdy seat for the gods to come. And suddenly there appeared Eros, the fairest of immortals. At his touch bodies melt; he destroys will and reason, not only for humans but even for gods. In the beginning, then, were these all-powerful three.
Chaos is the infinite emptiness, Gaia is the singularity, Eros is the infinite density and temperature...
Wow the Big Bang theory from 4000BC????~WTF...
For (2)
Islam would score very low on this category...
Christianity is somewhere in the middle.
Judaism scores well within Hebrews (The chosen people) and bad for the others...
Buddhism is very high on this being the only religion that has not even raised weapons towards their enemies... (Wait for it there is even better)
Brahma based Hinduism would score pretty well
Kali based Hinduism would score pretty bad
lol the beauty of Hinduism, it super contains almost all other religions.
Wait, is love and pacifism the nature of Man??? If it was then the highest score would be on Buddhism...
But the reality lies elsewhere... One religion, accepted man as is! And deified all its characteristics. Man has love, care, peace, wisdom but also has hatred, sexual distortion, war, foolishness, inside him. Rejecting/oppressing all that is not healthy... Wait is this psychology??? Oh you guessed what religion I'm referring too?
(3) Well here, almost all prevailing religions mess up...
For Christianism you need to check Hermits. And yes all religions have their equivalent.
Only Buddhism is actively promoting believer and society enlightenment. All others care more about believers following the rules... (Well taxes pay the bills).
The "Old Religion" did promoted society enlightenment and some individual one. But truthfully we miss some of the details for me to be able to score it.
One thing I can say for sure, is that it was a religion of equality and love much more than what some religions claim.
Some indications for that: 12 gods (6 male, 6 female) Still it was a patriarch based religion with Zeus being the Father and leader of all. An element that was also reflected to the society.
Intellectual the wisest the Goddess of knowledge was Athena! A female god that was borne by the head of Zeus.
Balance always was represented in female figures, while strength in male ones.
Now about love, it is enough to mention that one of the three primordial gods is Love it self (Eros).
But further than that, it is much more important to mention that as a religion it accepted love in all forms: Love for oneself, for family, for the same gender, for animals, for items, for arts for everything. While the Judaism based religions only accept love for God and human and not for anything else.
Oh damn, I revealed the mystery religion :-P
Lets now see the flames of truth spread!
Holy inquisition and Jihad entering in our discussions :-D
You holy slayers, butchers of Science and Enlightenment bring it on :-D
Allah الله is a Proper noun, it is Gods Name. Al-Ilah الإله means The God and is not a name.
How can you talk about knowledge when you lack basic coprehension of the Arabic language, which is one of the worlds most spoken languages?
Anyway, the Jews know that their Lord is Allah, and the Christians of the past knew this as well, today it's a different story. Even the pagans of the past knew what the people today do not know.
Allah says:
And if you (O Muhammad) ask them: "Who has created the heavens and the earth," they will certainly say: "Allah." Say: "All the praises and thanks be to Allah!" But most of them know not. [31:25]
This verse was referring to the People of the Book and the pagans of his time, because they all knew what you don't know today. If this was a false statement during his time, no one would have followed it.
Allah says about the Jews:
And when they (Jews) meet those who believe (Muslims), they say, "We believe", but when they meet one another in private, they say, "Shall you (Jews) tell them (Muslims) what Allah has revealed to you [Jews, about the description and the qualities of Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him , that which are written in the Taurat (Torah)] , that they (Muslims) may argue with you (Jews) about it before your Lord?" Have you (Jews) then no understanding? [2:76]
It is primarily the modern day Christian that believes that their god is different (which he is if they say Jesus is their Lord and Savior, in which case, the Muslims do not worship man), the Jews did and perhaps still do, as Allah says:
They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilah (God - Allah) La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)." [9:31]
As for what Allah says regarding the stars:
And indeed We have adorned the nearest heaven with lamps, and We have made such lamps (as) missiles to drive away the Shayatin (devils), and have prepared for them the torment of the blazing Fire. [67:5]
This is a statement of truth which you have no knowledge of to speak or debate as this is information regarding the unseen. No one has any authority on this subject and this is explains the purpose of stars, as decorations and as a means to prevent the shayateen from ascending to the heavens:
It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that: The Prophet said: "When Allah decrees a matter in heaven, the angels beat their wings in submission to his decree (with a sound) like a chain beating a rock. Then "When fear is banished from their hearts, they say: 'What is it that your Lord has said?' They say: 'The truth. And He is The Most High, The Most Great." He said: 'Then the eavesdroppers (from among the jinn) listen out for that, one above the other, so (one of them) hears the words and passes it on to the one beneath him. The Shihab (shooting star) may strike him before he can pass it on to the one beneath him and the latter can pass it on to the soothsayer or sorcerer, or it may not strike him until he has passed it on. And he ads one hundred lies to it, and only that word which was overheard from the heavens is true." [Ibn Majah V.1 B.1, no 194, saheeh]
And your open display of disbelief is what seperates us. Because you deny Allah's verses and we affirm them, so if anyone committed any crimes it is in denial of Allah's Names. perhaps incidents like these http://sen.com/news/meteor-strike-on-iss-is-reminder-of-cosmic-hazard (http://sen.com/news/meteor-strike-on-iss-is-reminder-of-cosmic-hazard) are warning signs, and how many of these go unreported? Only Allah knows.
After this point you went off on a tangent about religions you have no knowledge off (obviously based on guess work and commonly held stereotypes), which you admitted to prior to even giving personal opinions, and again, you went on about Hinduism, and ignored my question from the other post:
Do you worship cows, rats and monkeys? Or do you worship penises and menses blood? Do you marry your women to K-9's because she is born with a devil? Do you spend your "holy" time smoking ganja and hasheesh (this is probably it right here)? Philosophies, or philosophistries as I like to call them are empty ideologies that attempt to use religious principles to pass off as deeper contemplations, which, in reality, is nothing but theory and guess work of ignoramuses.
How Hinduism and Buddhism are advanced systems to you is an odd position. I mean, how do you base this, how do you have such knowledge of Hinduism but fail to acknowledge their disgusting practices, claim to have no knowledge of Islam but conclude your opinions on ignorance and then somehow try to lump it in with Judaism and Christianity? You don't even have knowledge of Arabic and decided to speak on it with authority and blundered terribly and even worse, you lack a grasp on basic English grammar and spelling...(confused_Jackie_Chan.gif)
I don't understand in what way your approach is percieved as an intellectual methodology to derive knowledge from.
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@Igognito
I suggest you opininate less and study more, as the teachers used to say when ever the kids would make assumptions:
When you assume, you make an ass out of 'u' and 'me'
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Lol, you are attacking me but none of my arguments...
So you simply accept bitter defeat :thumbsup:
1) I'm not a native English speaker. Still, I'm pretty confident that what grammar errors I might do are pretty limited and the meaning still passes through.
2) You do not know what I know, and still you claim I not know stuff that I might know.
About Hinduism, I'm personally not a Hindu but I have been in the presence of Brahma Hindu priests (even better monks) and have discussed about creation and their philosophy with them.
I'm not a Buddhist but I have read a bit about it and I was amazed of how much similar (in ethics) it was with Plato.
I'm not a Christian but I grew as an Orthodox Christian and had in school plenty of Christian brain washing and teachings.
I'm not a Muslim but I have read about the History of Arabs and Ottoman Empire, I also had a lot of Muslim friends (some religious some not but none an expert).
I'm not a Jew and I have almost zero knowledge about them, only know some historical facts
I'm not a Pagan (of any form) neither do I believe to the Twelve Gods of Olympus. But I have extensively studied the Greek Mythology and Greek Cosmogony, furthermore, I have read historical and philosophical analysis about it. I have also up to a limited point studied the Viking Mythology. But I do not feel it is such an advance set of belief to use it in this discussion.
But more of all, I have studied History!
So now, that I have established u a bit about me... Try to target my arguments and not me :-P
Try to give arguments why Islam is superior than other religions (that u know) on the three categories I gave.
If you do not like those categories, then please introduce new ones...
By the way, there is one thing that Islam does better: Polygamy!
For some weird reason Islam accepted the nature of man to be polygamous but for an equally weird reason they didnt accept the nature of woman to be polygamous too... Damn that was close... So even there Islam fails.
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Lol, you are attacking me but none of my arguments...
So you simply accept bitter defeat :thumbsup:
1) I'm not a native English speaker. Still, I'm pretty confident that what grammar errors I might do are pretty limited and the meaning still passes through.
2) You do not know what I know, and still you claim I not know stuff that I might know.
About Hinduism, I'm personally not a Hindu but I have been in the presence of Brahma Hindu priests (even better monks) and have discussed about creation and their philosophy with them.
I'm not a Buddhist but I have read a bit about it and I was amazed of how much similar (in ethics) it was with Plato.
I'm not a Christian but I grew as an Orthodox Christian and had in school plenty of Christian brain washing and teachings.
I'm not a Muslim but I have read about the History of Arabs and Ottoman Empire, I also had a lot of Muslim friends (some religious some not but none an expert).
I'm not a Jew and I have almost zero knowledge about them, only know some historical facts
I'm not a Pagan (of any form) neither do I believe to the Twelve Gods of Olympus. But I have extensively studied the Greek Mythology and Greek Cosmogony, furthermore, I have read historical and philosophical analysis about it. I have also up to a limited point studied the Viking Mythology. But I do not feel it is such an advance set of belief to use it in this discussion.
But more of all, I have studied History!
So now, that I have established u a bit about me... Try to target my arguments and not me :-P
Try to give arguments why Islam is superior than other religions (that u know) on the three categories I gave.
If you do not like those categories, then please introduce new ones...
By the way, there is one thing that Islam does better: Polygamy!
For some weird reason Islam accepted the nature of man to be polygamous but for an equally weird reason they didnt accept the nature of woman to be polygamous too... Damn that was close... So even there Islam fails.
"bitter defaet"? My man, you must be confused, but based on your comments, I can see why.
The reason I "attacked" your grammar was because if you are going to put yourself in the position of teacher, you need to learn how to commnicate correctly. And if you cannot communicate correctly, then how can you be confident enough to teach, ESPECIALLY, when you said you do not know anything about Islam.
Second of all, you are not the only one who has spoken to and met thes sorts of individuals.
And their personal opinions do not represent their creeds. The text is what does that. So, like I told Baby Shark, you are either going to debate using your books, and citing the info, or not. I used the Qur'an to establish and assert the title of this thread.
If you would like to build an argument, bring your books, not your personal opinions. If your books have the answer, then there should be no problem in citing them where need-be. History is biased, as is commonly said that history is written by the victor, not the one who lost. Except that when it comes to religion, the text itself affirms or denies the claims of the claimants, as the authentic hadeeth goes:
On the authority of Ibn Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him), that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: Were people to be given everything that they claimed, men would [unjustly] claim the wealth and lives of [other] people. But, the onus of proof is upon the claimant, and the taking of an oath is upon him who denies. A hasan hadeeth narrated by al-Baihaqee and others in this form, and part of it is in the two Saheehs - from Imaam An-Nawawis 40 hadeeth
I have brought my proof to establish the fact, and the Qur'aan and Sunnah are sufficient proof, and if you are uncertain or ignorant of these matters, then it is only you, as I and those who know know.
Also, claiming you studied does not make you a qualified expert, since history can be ambiguious unless there is certain knowledge. Also, who are your teachers? Whther I know them or not is irrelevant, investigation will produce results. Who did you learn history from and how can you verify the authenticity of what you claimed to have learned?
As for your points, they are erroneous and that alone invalidates the argument because the points you made are based on guess work.
As for polygamy, yes, a man is allowed to marry 4 women, and women are not allowed to marry more than one man because the woman is the one who is provided for, she is not the provider. A man who is maintained by his woman is an effeminate man, and a woman that sleeps around is known as a whore (or a prostitute is she does it for money). The woman's purpose is defined by the Shari'ah, not by the general masses.
Feminism is an incompatible ideology in Islam.
And the way you present yourself is childish, like that last bit about polygamy, not to mention your simplistic and vague understanding of religion and purpose, as for history, that is merely a claim.
I established my claim, brought my proof from the source, the Qur'an and the Sunnah. If you want to argue about it, produce your books, if you have none, then what arguemtn do you have? Your word?
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@Igognito
Again, you claim to have sat with such and such and discussed matters of cosmology, and claim to have knowledge of Arab and Ottoman history (which is not Islam), claim to have some Muslim friends (who knows what they're upon?), you said you were raised in an Orthodox Christian school and were "brainwashed", what Orthodox Christian school? Where? Can I look it up to get more info as to what kind of Christian school this is, so I can get more insight into your position? You say you know nothing about Judaism, except for historical facts. Such as what? Because I can make the same claim. As for the pagan bit, I don't care.
Paganism is the scourge of mankind, and is the antithesis to Monotheism, it also retards human intellect and compartmentalizes it, as opposed to pure Monotheism that is Whole and in effect makes the mind and soul whole. Paganism is based on worship of the unseen through the creation or worship of the creation, which is finite rendering all paganism null and void as a foundation for human progression.
My OP was the argument, but you have yet to address that. Instead, you did what Baby Shark did and went on a different course, not once addressing the content I posted. You came out of left field posing as an authority, failing to directly address the topic of the post.
Which, if you and Baby Shark would have read, would have realized the futility of your responses.
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Well if I do not accept the Quran as a reliable source and you do not accept Historical and Philosophical books as a reliable source we are on a dead lock...
If you want historical references I can give u a few, the problem with me is that I read from paper books... Which after I read them I store them in my warehouse at Greece. So referring you to the exact books means that I will need to return to Greece, go to the warehouse and find the books. (By the way right now I live in Italy).
Anyhow, about historical books related with our discussion:
I would suggest you to first start from a Historical book about Salah ad-Din. From my personal point of view one of the best Muslim leaders to start your historical studies.
Try to study both the events and his personal education.
Now after you get a grasp of Salah ad-Din, I suggest you get to read a book about the Arab Sultanates and all the small empires that where founded in the period of: ~600-1200. Before the Ottoman Empire.
For those I have read one book (which as I mentioned is somewhere lost in my warehouse) but if you study you will see all of them have 1 common thing. And that is specifically the control of a collection of books that moves from one library to another. (If I remember well the Arabs refer to it as the House of Wisdom)
Now, it can be a coincidence or it can be not...
Around 650AD, Muslims take control of Alexandria. Around 700AD The House of Wisdom appears...
From the beginning of the Muslim world there is a myth about a two horned man (Dhul-Qarnayn I googled that because I didnt remembered it).
Have you visited any Arab country? You will find his Statue and Image in almost all of them (At least I found it in the two I have visited).
In brief, like in Christianity similarly in Islam the mass is kept brainwashed and uneducated but the few leaders have access to 'The House of Wisdom' or to refer it with the real name: The remnants of Alexandria's Library.
The access to the ancient worlds knowledge (especially math and philosophy) is enough to elevate nations to Empires!
And we have to thank a few floods, fires and two Religions for the loss of the Library...
From Civilization to the Dark Ages to later again Enlightenment...
2 Religions brought the human kind at least 500 years behind in technological and scientific advancement and you speak about superiority???
And this conclusion you can have it by studying Arab history, you do not even need to look at western sources...
ps: My time is limited I might continue answering with other points when time allows....
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Well if I do not accept the Quran as a reliable source and you do not accept Historical and Philosophical books as a reliable source we are on a dead lock...
If you want historical references I can give u a few, the problem with me is that I read from paper books... Which after I read them I store them in my warehouse at Greece. So referring you to the exact books means that I will need to return to Greece, go to the warehouse and find the books. (By the way right now I live in Italy).
Anyhow, about historical books related with our discussion:
I would suggest you to first start from a Historical book about Salah ad-Din. From my personal point of view one of the best Muslim leaders to start your historical studies.
Try to study both the events and his personal education.
Now after you get a grasp of Salah ad-Din, I suggest you get to read a book about the Arab Sultanates and all the small empires that where founded in the period of: ~600-1200. Before the Ottoman Empire.
For those I have read one book (which as I mentioned is somewhere lost in my warehouse) but if you study you will see all of them have 1 common thing. And that is specifically the control of a collection of books that moves from one library to another. (If I remember well the Arabs refer to it as the House of Wisdom)
Now, it can be a coincidence or it can be not...
Around 650AD, Muslims take control of Alexandria. Around 700AD The House of Wisdom appears...
From the beginning of the Muslim world there is a myth about a two horned man (Dhul-Qarnayn I googled that because I didnt remembered it).
Have you visited any Arab country? You will find his Statue and Image in almost all of them (At least I found it in the two I have visited).
In brief, like in Christianity similarly in Islam the mass is kept brainwashed and uneducated but the few leaders have access to 'The House of Wisdom' or to refer it with the real name: The remnants of Alexandria's Library.
The access to the ancient worlds knowledge (especially math and philosophy) is enough to elevate nations to Empires!
And we have to thank a few floods, fires and two Religions for the loss of the Library...
From Civilization to the Dark Ages to later again Enlightenment...
2 Religions brought the human kind at least 500 years behind in technological and scientific advancement and you speak about superiority???
And this conclusion you can have it by studying Arab history, you do not even need to look at western sources...
ps: My time is limited I might continue answering with other points when time allows....
Philosophy is not a reliable source for anything and no one ever denied historical books. You just never provided any sources and still failed to provide them with the excuse that they are in some warehouse in Greece and you are in Italy, anyway, ths is the problem, you keep pressing on without producing any concrete citation for absolutely anything. No titles, no authors.
You suggested I study Salahuddin ibnul Ayyubi. Ok? As if he isn't a famous figure in Islam already, and hasn't had books on him published (I used to work for one of the largest Islamic Publication distributors and had a library before I moved out of the States, and not to an Arab country, but a Muslim country. I currently live in Cairo, Egypt.
Salahuddin ibnul Ayyubi is a good historical figure to study a part of Islamic history, but not the best. The only reason you probably think he's the best is perhaps because you are ignorant of other Islamic figures and your vision is severely limited. If you want to discuss ISLAM, then read authentic biographies of the Prophet Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), or about Abu Bakr as-Sadeeq, or Umar ibnul Khattab or, Uthman bin Affan, or Ali bin Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with them), or Muawiyyah, or you can read about the famous four Imams that the 4 schools of Jurisprudence are based on: Imam Malik, Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam Shafi'i and Imam al-Hanbali. You can also read about the compilers of the books of Hadeeth such as Imam Al-Bukhaari, Imam Muslim, Imam Abi Dawud, Imam Nasa'i, Imam at-Tirmidhi, and Imam ibn Majah.
You can also read about some more biographies of the actual companions of the Prophet aside from the first four Khulafah mentioned above, after him. Such as Bilal, Ibnul Abbas, Ibn Mas'ood, Abdullah ibn Salam, Ibn Umar, to name only 5 of them from an extensive list of companions that he had during his lifetime.
Or, you can ready biographies of famous scholars, such as Imam ibn Katheer, Ibnul Qayyim, Ibnul Jawzi, Ibn Taymiyyah, Imam Abdul Wahhab, Imam Barbahaari from the past to present, such as Imam as-Sa'adi, Shaykh Al-Albaani, Shaykh bin Baz, Shaykh Uthaymeen, may Allah have mercy on all of them, to living scholars such as Shaykh Rabee al Madkhali, Shaykh Khaalid Uthman, Shaykh Hassan al-Banna, Shaykh Saleh al-Fawzaan, Shaykh Raslan (as was mentioned before, and in whos villiage I was residing in for some time in Egypt), and so on. Real personalities and scholars known to the Taalibul 'Ilm (Students of Knowledge)...and these are from the most famous, I haven't mentioned any other names since, for the most part, these books you will never find in any other language but Arabic.
You told me to start with Salahuddin ibnul Ayyubi......c'mon guy.
Dhul Qarnayn is not a two honred man, what did you read? Where in the Qur'an or authentic hadeeth is there to support this nonsense? If it is not in either of these, then where does that description come from? Which "historical books" that lie?
Like I said in the other post, sultinates and monarchies are NOT from Islam. Islams authentic political and ruling party is the Khilafah and the Khalifah. Everything else is from the systems of men, so this is a bad time to start learning about Islam...but you already admitted to not knowing what you're talking about.
Islam is not like Christianity. There are no hidden libraries, we do not have a an equivalent to the Catacombs under the Vatican and hidden sources of "knowledge". Islam is open, all the books and histories are there for the people who want to know. Arabic is easy to learn for those who really want to know, nothing is hidden. You are merely talking out of your ass. You know it, I know it.
You and your philosophy. Philosophy isn't a foundation for anything, especially not to build an empire upon. Math, please, Muslims have had math on lock since they began exploring after the Arabs were guided to Islam.
You are really going to complain about 1 library in the entire world as your argument, while you keep your books in storage in Greece, supposedely while you are in Italy but can't name 1 book or 1 author (which I bet you will after this post to try to prove a point, since we can't comfirm that you simply google it).
If you really believe that the Muslims didn't invent and bring science and mathamatics with them, then I know that you are not a historian. I mean, I never thought you were, but this proves you aren't.
This conclusion that you came to you probably got ONLY from Western sources. You can't fool me, buddy. You only ever heard of Salahuddin and the Sultinate (if that). Get the hell outta here, trying to appear smart.
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You are really going to complain about 1 library in the entire world as your argument, while you keep your books in storage in Greece, supposedely while you are in Italy but can't name 1 book or 1 author (which I bet you will after this post to try to prove a point, since we can't comfirm that you simply google it).
I could have googled them from the previous post... But I clearly didn't do that because I wouldn't be certain which books I have and have not read.
That my books are in boxes in a warehouse at Greece and that I'm at Italy is just a fact... Not an excuse or something.
I'm a researcher and I change countries often. It is impractical and I cant afford to carry with me books that I have already read!
You are in Cairo? Great! then you can take a trip to Alexandria and see with your own eyes!
Alexandria, after Athens and before Rome was the center of civilization. Even if many traces your religion tried to remove, many have been left...
I read history books casually, I do not choose authors, I just pick ones that seem interesting for me. I read several different eras and several different civilizations.
Most proper history books, clearly state the facts (supported by historical evidence) which are unbiased and the claims (interpretations of those facts) which can be biased.
I usually make my own conclusions, and I wouldn't say that I'm specifically biased against the Arab world. Actually the complete opposite.
And Arabs are not equal with Islam. We can and should remove Islam from the Arabs. There is much more to them to be shadowed in the darkness of religion.
Similarly, Europeans must move past Christianity...
Damn, this takes time and I'm very time pressed... To be continued
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You are really going to complain about 1 library in the entire world as your argument, while you keep your books in storage in Greece, supposedely while you are in Italy but can't name 1 book or 1 author (which I bet you will after this post to try to prove a point, since we can't comfirm that you simply google it).
I could have googled them from the previous post... But I clearly didn't do that because I wouldn't be certain which books I have and have not read.
That my books are in boxes in a warehouse at Greece and that I'm at Italy is just a fact... Not an excuse or something.
I'm a researcher and I change countries often. It is impractical and I cant afford to carry with me books that I have already read!
You are in Cairo? Great! then you can take a trip to Alexandria and see with your own eyes!
Alexandria, after Athens and before Rome was the center of civilization. Even if many traces your religion tried to remove, many have been left...
I read history books casually, I do not choose authors, I just pick ones that seem interesting for me. I read several different eras and several different civilizations.
Most proper history books, clearly state the facts (supported by historical evidence) which are unbiased and the claims (interpretations of those facts) which can be biased.
I usually make my own conclusions, and I wouldn't say that I'm specifically biased against the Arab world. Actually the complete opposite.
And Arabs are not equal with Islam. We can and should remove Islam from the Arabs. There is much more to them to be shadowed in the darkness of religion.
Similarly, Europeans must move past Christianity...
Damn, this takes time and I'm very time pressed... To be continued
I read history books casually, I do not choose authors, I just pick ones that seem interesting for me.
Right.
For a researcher, you are not that good at it.
I mean, look at how you deliberately ignored everything else but that one part, because you have nothing. You don't know anything. Be quiet and save face or try to refute the original post.
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@Igognito
Real researchers scrutinize their sources. You might as well be reading tabloids.
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@Igognito
And we're back to square one.
You have failed to address the OP, have failed to provide any refutation. You just rambled basically saying, "Nuh uh!" without any substance. You completely ignored my responses to continue your "Nuh uh!"
You claim to be a reasercher but have proven yourself incompetent thus far.
You have yet to provide what "darkness" Islam has left the Arabs in. For a researcher, you couldn't even address the original post, give vague generalities without elaboration.
So let's see if you can stick to the point:
What from my original post can you actually argue with your "facts"? What, from what I have provided regarding Islam's superiority have you refuted? Address the actual thread, or take the L permanently.
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@Igognito
You know why it takes you time?
Because you have nothing and have to dig around for something off of the internet in an attempt to validate your non-responses.
See, responding to you takes less than a couple of minutes, because I type from what I know. I don't have to complain about time. As long as you keep posting and overlooking and straying away from the original post like you have strayed from Allah, I will effortlessly and systematically dismantle all your responses.
Once you have something concrete and address the actual point at hand, you carry with you the L on your back.
But I have a feeling that your arrogance is so deeply rooted that you won't even admit to the fact that you are speaking out of your ass and just give up.
This is one reason I dislike discussing religion with disbelievers, you are all the same, regurgitate the same old tired, worn out and refuted arguments. Everything you wrote is so cliché, that I am essentially wasting my time even writing this. And this is how I know for a fact that you don't read or research anything. You are lying on the internet, which is easy to do but, I can see right through my screen, your screen and you.
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@3bdushakur, mate I'm a researcher in a completely different field: Computational Logic. It has nothing to do with this topic. As I already said, I read history casually and nor research focused.
Furthermore, you are only cycling your self and not provide an argument that needs to be addressed. You are still trying to attack me and non of my arguments.
So I guess you should silence your self... Go pray towards the direction of Mecca or something and lean your head all the way to floor in fear of divine smite or punishment.
Because if needed I can play that game too, and you wont like it.
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@3bdushakur, mate I'm a researcher in a completely different field: Computational Logic. It has nothing to do with this topic. As I already said, I read history casually and nor research focused.
Furthermore, you are only cycling your self and not provide an argument that needs to be addressed. You are still trying to attack me and non of my arguments.
So I guess you should silence your self... Go pray towards the direction of Mecca or something and lean your head all the way to floor in fear of divine smite or punishment.
Because if needed I can play that game too, and you wont like it.
Then, stay in your field, and don't discuss topics you have no knowledge of (i.e. this one). You don't see me trying to discuss Computational Logic as if I know what I'm talking about, nor will I pretend to.
For a supposed Computation Logic researcher, you sure know how not to stick to the point. I told you a couple of times now. You either address the ORIGINAL POST, that means the opening post in this thread, and if you want to argue, then refute those points. No, instead, you decide to tell me about your books in a warehouse in Greece, your stay in Italy, some vague historical nothing without titles to books or authors or some generic statements regarding religion. Guy, you told me that Salahuddinul Ayyubi and Ottoman Sultinate were a good place to learn about Islam, no. Stay in your lane that's it.
For someone who researches Computational Logic, as you claim, it baffles me how dense your responses are. I mean, all that research into LOGIC, of all fields, should have some effect on how you percieve and analyze the world around you. But it seems to fail in this topic, just like everyone else, which proves the overall ignorance and arrogance of people.
And on my cycling myself: This is blatant projection from your part. You have cyclical defenses and responses that never addressed the ORIGINAL POST. And I know why you still keep deflecting and avoiding it, and it's because YOU CAN'T refute or argue against it. You have ZERO argument. You have NOTHING (in Nathan Explosions voice): NOOOTHIIIINNNGG!
Oh, and as for me praying towards Makkah, no need to remind me. I have a Book for that. But we do not pray out of fear, we pray and worship out of gratitutde and reverence to the Lord of all that exists. My Lord, your Lord and the Lord of all creation.
What game are you getting emotional about that you feel that you have to play, "need be"? You're getting your knickers in a bunch because you can't stick to the point? Let me guess how you are going to play this game:
1. You are going to regurgitate some lame insults towards my religion, my Lord and my Prophet, which would only expose your deep rooted ignorance, which I am already aware of (regarding this matter), so, no need to make yourself look like more of an ass.
2. You are going to talk about me (or try), which you can't because you have no knowledge about me, which will still expose even more of your ignorance.
3. What else is there? Any grammatical or spelling errors I made in this forum? I mean seriously, what are you crying about? :'(
No, seriously, what part of your ego did I hurt to get you all riled up like this? Where did I "insult" you, so much so that you are hurt enought to play [whatever] game "need be"? Is your ego that fragile? If it is, perhaps you should re-evaluate some aspect of your life.
They say, that sort of narcissism begins during the stages of childhood. I don't know what traumatic experience you went through, but if your ego is this fragile on the internet, I suggest you look into some therapy (if you haven't already).
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i believe in yaweh... allah god the all father whoever he is just 1... superior of the supreme ruler guy ohh this i going towards creation.. so i believe in creation now :-X
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i believe in book burners.. they are real.. true root takers... lol or fakers...
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they are the old day's identity thief... now a days its more technology thieves so cyberwar world war 3...
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/we-must-not-be-punished-for-criticizing-islam (https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/we-must-not-be-punished-for-criticizing-islam)
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cool
usa is a dump
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https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/we-must-not-be-punished-for-criticizing-islam (https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/we-must-not-be-punished-for-criticizing-islam)
I don't understand why you, or people like you insist on persisting in dissemenation of nonsensical, Pseudo-Crusader rhetoric. This is the result of lacking certain knowledge about Islam and your own religion, arrogance, and other wayward desires. You lack arguments, and you know this as well as I do. Let's take a look at the vomit you have spewed all over this thread and see what sort of junk you have inside of you.
About the website you used as...a response or refutation[?]:
LifeSiteNews.com is a non-profit Internet service dedicated to issues of culture, life, and family. It was launched in September 1997. LifeSiteNews Daily News reports and information pages are used by numerous organizations and publications, educators, professionals and political, religious and life and family organization leaders and grassroots people across North America and internationally.
LifeSiteNews.com Daily News reports are widely circulated reports on important developments in the United States, Canada and around the world. Their purpose is to provide balance and more accurate coverage on culture, life and family matters than is usually given by other media. Available by free daily email subscription and on LifeSiteNews.com.
Their Principles:
1. Accuracy (We'll analyze the falsehood of this self-proclaimed principle - 3bdushakur) in content is given high priority. News and information tips from readers are encouraged and validated. Valid corrections are always welcome. Writing and research is of a professional calibre (This is absolutely false based on the link you decided to share -3bdushakur).
2. LifeSiteNews.com emphasizes the social worth of traditional Judeo-Christian principles (this invalidates the above as this site offers a clear biased perception based on adopted beliefs - 3bdushakur) but is also respectful of all authentic religions and cultures that esteem life, family and universal norms of morality (This is yet another pandering lie. It is impossible to respect any other religion once you have adopted a belief system simply because it would contradict it and respect entails that you agree the correctness of said "other religion", which, from the link provided, is clear as it is based on falsehood and deliberate misrepresentation in order to pass of the Judeo-Christian agenda which is totally at odds with Islam - 3bdushakur).
3. LifeSiteNews.com’s writers and its founders, have come to understand that respect for life and family are endangered by an international conflict. That conflict is between radically opposed views of the worth and dignity of every human life and of family life and community. It has been caused by secularists attempting to eliminate Christian morality and natural law principles which are seen as the primary obstacles to implementing their new world order. (and this validate my previous statement. The website is biased and has a pro Judeo-Christian agenda, which is going to be based on deceit and false reporting. - 3bdushakur)
4. LifeSiteNews.com understands that abortion, euthanasia, cloning, homosexuality and all other moral, life and family issues are all interconnected in an international conflict affecting all nations, even at the most local levels. LifeSiteNews attempts to provide its readers with the big picture and the most useful and up-to-date information on this conflict.
5. LifeSiteNews.com attempts to dispel confusion and ignorance (This is a lie - 3bdushakur), enable constructive dialogue (Another lie - 3bdushakur) and help informed decisions to be made and appropriate actions to be taken for the good of all. (More lies -3bdushakur)
Who produces the website for this controlled and deliberately orchestrated content?
The service was originally started by Campaign Life Coalition (CLC), a Canadian national pro-life organization headquartered in Toronto, Canada. Campaign Life Coalition, founded in 1978, was one of the first pro-life organizations to emphasize the international dimension of attacks on life and family. Along with a few other groups it pioneered pro-life lobbying at United Nations conferences. CLC president, Jim Hughes, is currently also vice-president of the International Right to Life Federation.
(The ultimate goal is fairly noble from a religious perspective, on issues that even a Muslim cannot disagree on, except from our perspective. And this is the contention, that regardless of their aim, they are motivated by a set of beliefs that are not general, they are based on the Judeo-Christian outlook. - 3bdushakur)
CLC’s international dimension spurred the development of LifeSiteNews as an international news service. LifeSiteNews.com U.S. and Canada are now separate incorporated non-profit organizations, are not involved in direct political action and do not support or oppose political candidates or parties. LifeSiteNews is strictly a news and information service.
The 1997 founding staff of LifeSiteNews are current Managing Director Steve Jalsevac and Editor-in-Chief John-Henry Westen. LifeSiteNews management and staff writers/researchers are located in various cities in the United States, Canada, Mexico, Italy, Australia, New Zealand and France. Three translators also assist with our Spanish version of LifeSiteNews.
US citizens have become our largest readership. Canadians are next, followed by smaller numbers of readers in many of the nations of the world. LifeSiteNews.com networks regularly with leaders and other organizations around the world.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/about (https://www.lifesitenews.com/about)
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Now, with the above established, let us look at the article shared with us by @BabyShark with the picture she thought was going to leave even a blemish on what I have already established as proof to the Superiority of Islam.
One thing of importance to note is that this article is not based on fact but, on the opinion of William Kilpatrick (Whoever he is).
He starts by saying:
A commonplace idea has emerged among media and political elites that criticism of Islam or even of radical Islam will only serve to drive moderate Muslims into the radical camp.
First of all, how is one moderate and then radical? This cannot be. A person is either moderate in his/her life or they are a radical. As for the Muslim, if this is the case, then they have contradicted the veres wherein Allah says:
Say (O Muhammad): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Exceed not the limits in your religion (by believing in something) other than the truth, and do not follow the vain desires of people who went astray in times gone by, and who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the Right Path." [5:77]
This verse from the general perspective includes the Muslims, as they are also People of the Scripture. And for the Muslim, to go to extremes, is believing in something other than the truth.
As for the statement of Allah:
The good deed and the evil deed cannot be equal. Repel (the evil) with one which is better (i.e. Allah ordered the faithful believers to be patient at the time of anger, and to excuse those who treat them badly), then verily! he, between whom and you there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a close friend. [41:34]
The opinionater continues:
That argument should be questioned because it can just as easily be that lack of criticism has led to the rebirth of militant Islam. Far from being critical of Islam, Western governments, media, academia, and even churches have bent over backward to claim that all the atrocities committed in the name of Islam have nothing to do with Islam. Indeed, the Western media have adopted a rigid system of self-censorship that keeps them from admitting that these atrocities are in fact committed in the name of Islam.
That these atrocities and crimes are committed in the name of Islam by criminals, does not necessitate that Islam supports criminal behavior. But of course, like the deceptive tactics of those who seek to defame the truth by spreading opinionated, illinformed and biased rhetoric. The snake fails in the fact that they, out of pride, have fallen due to lack of knowledge. Pride and arrogance are rotting foundations and only appeal to the unjust and insincere.
"MIlitant Islam" makes no sense from an Islamic perspective as militancy (unlike Christian Militias all over the States), is not something that the Muslims can indulge in as there is no legitimate state and Ameer (leader) to establish a military. Within the fold of Islam, these rogue groups and radical extremists are known as Khawaarij. Their affair is known to the Muslims worldwide. The West in general has NOT bent over backwards for Islam, and it never will due to the conflicts of interest and beliefs and morals (except in the case where the West is attempting to win the hearts of the weak and ignorant (in the same manner as cult leaders do their victims).
Simply because a crime is committed in the name of Islam, or any other belief, does not mean that the belief supports the criminal (often, the belief they attribute their crime to often serves as proof against the criminals). To overlook this common sense, is enough to say that the writer of this baseless opinion should be rejected until he returns with clear proofs for his generalities (based on watching too much television and reading too many news papers and articles deliberately dissimenated by the Enemies of Islam).
The opinionater continues:
The latest example is the reporting on the assassination of a Russian ambassador by a Turkish policeman. Almost the first words out of the assassin's mouth after the shooting were: "We are those who have given a pledge of allegiance to Muhammad that we will carry on jihad." If you don't remember him saying that, it's because that part of the statement was omitted from almost all news and television reports. Apparently, our betters in the media were afraid that if we were aware of the man's devotion to Muhammad, we might say something provocative that would turn untold numbers of peaceful Muslims into bomb-throwing jihadists.
So we are to believe a story with absolutely no proof based on the statement, "that part of the statement was ommitted from almost all news and television reports"? How can a statement with no citation, no source be used as proof to justify an opinion of an unknown?
Allah says about the likes of such an evil person:
O you who believe! If a rebellious evil person comes to you with a news, verify it, lest you harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful to what you have done. [49:6]
And without a dout, this unknown writers opinion is a mere story which he alone seems to have salvaged from a news media without name that apparently appears nowhere else..."Almost"? What are the sources then, that reported this alleged story? Who is this Turkish police man and Russian ambassador? What are their names? What validates the supposed statement of the Turkish officer (assuming, unlikely, that this is a true report)?
What, from the religion, that is authentic and based on the text, can the writer profuce to validate this supposed statement?
If the story were true, then the only explanation is that the man is a Jaahil (Ignoramus) Khariji...and this would have become apparent to the People of Certain Knowledge of Islam. Not to the people of opinions and desires, such as the writer and those who disseminate their unwarranted rhetoric without due verification.
The Muslims, for the most part, are already aware of the criminals and wolves that sneak around wearing the cloak of Islam, and those who harbor and hide it from the people eventually become exposed by their actions or statements. It is the outsider looking in, who is illiterate [of the Arabic language], lacking perspective, insight and knowledge, who wander around in darkness, blind, groping at anything like sexual predators, violating the rights of those who, out of their desires in ignorance, become victims, unjustly.
This bankrupt and unknwon individual continues:
Perhaps the prime example of the wages of silence is the current crisis in Europe. Islamic terrorists have declared war on Europe and the result has been a series of deadly attacks – at airports, subways, cafés, concert halls, and, most recently, Christmas markets. All this mayhem is the indirect result of ignorance about Islam – an ignorance that, in turn, is the result of an almost complete blackout of news unfavorable to Islam.
Islamic terrorists is a deceitful oxymoron. This term implies that which the religion itself negates: Criminal behavior, and vigilantism. There is no legitimate Islamic state to declare war on anyone, much less legislation in the religion to support criminal behavior.
The Messenger of Allah (may the peace and blessings of Allah descend upon him) said:
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "War is deceit." [Saheeh al-Bukhaaree 3030]
And:
Narrated AbuMusa al-Ash'ari: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Before the Last Hour there will be commotions like pieces of a dark night in which a man will be a believer in the morning and an infidel in the evening, or a believer in the evening and infidel in the morning. He who sits during them will be better than he who gets up and he who walks during them is better than he who runs. So break your bows, cut your bowstrings and strike your swords on stones. If people then come in to one of you, let him be like the better of Adam's two sons. [Sunan Abi Dawud 4259]
As for the statement "Be like the better of Adam's two sons" it refers to the statement of Allah:
And (O Muhammad) recite to them (the Jews) the story of the two sons of Adam [Habil (Abel) and Qabil (Cain)] in truth; when each offered a sacrifice (to Allah), it was accepted from the one but not from the other. The latter said to the former: "I will surely kill you." The former said: "Verily, Allah accepts only from those who are Al-Muttaqun (the pious). If you do stretch your hand against me to kill me, I shall never stretch my hand against you to kill you, for I fear Allah; the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns, and all that exists)." [5:27/28]
This mayhem is certainly due to ignorance of Islam, from both the disbeliever and the criminal Muslim or one who attributes his crime to Islam. These two groups of ignoramuses are devoid of sound and certain knowledge. Rather they both interpret the religion from their whims and desires, as can be seen in both instances.
The bankrupt opinionater continues on:
Anyone with a thorough understanding of Islamic culture and religion could have predicted that, even without the 2015-16 flood of Muslim migrants, the steady flow of Muslim immigrants over the years would create a combustible situation. The amazing thing is that the consequences of this massive migration were never discussed – except in glowing terms. Just about the only thing allowed to be said about the migrants was that they would solve labor shortages, refill welfare coffers, and bring cultural enrichment to Europe.
The first statement, regarding those of Islamic knowledge (The Scholars of this religion) have explained this and have ruled that migrating (Hijra) to the lands of the disbelievers is prohibited for the Muslim. As stated by Shaykh al-Albaani:
perhaps from that which is best is to explain what has come in the Sunnah from the authentic hadeeths which warn the Muslim from taking the lands of disbelief as a homeland. There is in the science of Fiqh and Usool a Qiyaas called Al-Qiyaas Al-Awlawee. If the people of the land born and hereditarily (from there) when they embrace Islaam it is incumbent upon them to make hijrah to the lands of Islaam then more so the one who is on the opposite of that, being born in the lands of Islaam and raised and brought up, it is not permissible for him to travel, and I don’t say make hijrah, to the lands of disbelief. This is even more so.
https://abdurrahman.org/2014/01/31/hijrah-and-residing-in-the-lands-of-disbelief-shaykh-al-albani/ (https://abdurrahman.org/2014/01/31/hijrah-and-residing-in-the-lands-of-disbelief-shaykh-al-albani/)
The great scholars agree and were aware long before the disbelievers, of the detrimental effect of migrating to non-Muslim lands. This idea of multiculturalism is a plot of the disbelievers themselves, in particular the Liberals and Jews, in order to destabalize societies they see as their enemies (all the goyim). This is a deliberate and systematic attack, that wreaks havoc upon societies, by intermingling conflicting ideas and beliefs and cultures. And the disbelievers and would-be Crusaders only help to fuel the flames by instigating the intellectually impoverished, the ignorant immigrant into a state of fight or flight. So all these tribulations come from the evils of the disbelievers and their proponents.
This is sufficient to refute the rest of the article. The rest is meanderings of an unknown ignoramus who spreads his opinion, which is clearly infused with exaggerations and falsehoods.
As his closing statement suggests:
Ordinarily, we refrain from criticizing other religions. Such a live-and-let-live approach is generally sensible, but when the other religion takes the attitude that you must either convert, submit, or die, then live-and-let-live is no longer an option. That is the position that we are in with regard to Islam. And it is suicidal to pretend that things are otherwise.
There is no resovle then, and the mayhem is exasperated by the ignorant, such as the writer and those who follow blindly with no knowledge. The emotions of the wayward disbeliever is manipulated by glittering generalities and deceptive words in order to spread havoc and chaos, and to instigate an otherwise ignorant populace to react to the wave of opposing ignorance (of the disbeliever; the otherside of this worthless coin). Those with correct understanding, and certain knowledge, watch from a distance, bewildered at the sheer stupidity of both camps, and we ask Allah to guide those from among the Muslims out of the darkness of their ignorance, to the light of knowledge, and we ask Allah to guide those from among the opponents, who are sincere in their search for truth, to the fold of Islam as He, the Most High, has done for centuries.
As for those who oppose Islam and Allah, with obstinance, and lies and deceit and all sorts of evil, then we ask Allah, in this blessed month of Ramadhaan to humiliate them in this life and in the next, and for the persistent rebel, the obstinate disbeliever and liar, their recompense is the fire of Hell, a well deserved resting place.
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@BabyShark
As for the website that harbors falsehood, as I stated, then they are liars, biased and allow anyone with an unverified opinion to sow discord and divide, in the same fashion as the criminals who claim to commit atrocities in the name of Islam. These are intellectual terrorists.
The website allows individuals to write false and incendiary rhetoric, knowing full well, that there will be among the ignorant masses, and extremists reading it, fanning the flames that burn within their ignorance.
This leads to havoc and chaos, and ultimately violent clashes and violent acts, and it is the fault of the instigating disbeliever, for knowing better but seeking to spread chaos in order to create a scenario for themselves to be heralded as heroes of humanity (as per the conflicting goal outlined in the sites principles).
Their mask is see-thru, they cannot hide from those who believe in Allah and the Last Day. They only attract their like, deceitful snakes, who slither among the populace, spreading lies, which is a true sign of such individuals.
And this is not surprising from the People who claim to adhere to the Scripture in these times.