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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: tk[as] on November 03, 2019, 10:47:12 AM
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How does the community as a whole feel about this topic
Is he a valuable member of the community that adds value or is he a toxic member of the community that discourages others from playing?
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VOTED NO OBVIOUSLY
VOTE FOR A NEW SET OF COHERENT RULES IF YALL FAGGOTS SO FRAGILE ALLUVA SUDDEN
ALSO THE CONSENSUS FROM MONTHS AGO WAS: WHATEVER HAPPENS IN PRIV GAME CHAT, STAYS IN PRIV GAME CHAT. FEEL FREE TO BAN VAN FROM YOUR GAMES YOU POWER HUNGRY IDIOT
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU IDIOT ALWAYS OPERATING ON CASE TO CASE BASIS
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community is in constant decline. new players dont stick around because of how toxic the community is. van is #1 most toxic in my opinion.
If it ain't broke.. dont fix it.
Well, this is broke.. so we either fix it or watch it completely fall apart.
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also.. because of how small this community is, we all know each other pretty well. We know each other's personalities. Who they are as a person.
We all make mistakes... It wouldnt make sense to ban someone like TWN-cancel if in an extremely rare fit of rage where he lashed out unprovoked against another player.
Van on the other hand consistently.. daily.. even hourly... attacks other players verbally. More often than not completely unprovoked.
It makes sense to me that a repeat "offender" gets treated differently than someone who just had a one time slip up.
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I for one play war2 again because I enjoy vans company. Van is a great friend and treats me way better than the creator of this poll. If van got banned I don't see any extra players coming. When Z is hosting games the community becomes more active if anything. We mostly host our own games which people CHOOSE to join.
Also this whole community view thing is bullshit as people who lobbied for me to be unmuted couldn't even get their posts approved in previous threads by admins of this forum because it didn't go with their views.
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If van got banned I don't see any extra players coming
LOL
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Tk been trash talking my wife all morning in the chat hut then makes polls and whines on forum, hilarious.
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You sir are full of shit.
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AFTER you pmed me repeatedly over like a 30 minute window about my wife did I say anything. I believe some of it was probably streamed too
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Fight for your rights now or you could be next!
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tk's comments that were spoken of.. poor guy can dish it but not take it from the vanimal
(http://i.imgur.com/5TlMLPJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wNrg2gl.jpg)
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This was after he talks s*** on My Wife and Kids for at least a half-hour. And said something along the lines of giving my wife dollar bills and f****** her. And leaving that as his away message(that he was busy f****** my wife.
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All of this after he completely unprovoked started calling twn-cancel a chink and gook.
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Looks to me like if van should get banned you need banned too tk.
Fair is fair.
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I wasn't using racial slurs towards anybody for 1. And I would have had nothing negative to say towards van if he had not been harassing me for an extended amount of time.
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I don't even know why I'm responding to you. You've made it very clear your only intention here is to kill the server, apparently with Vans help
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ok if yall gonna drink we all trying sweetwater ipa 420 it has screwed my beer energy up into something else
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You are just as guilty as he is just looks like he was better than you at the trash talk since you have to resort to banning over the :salty:
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You want less players on the server. I'm looking to get rid of one. I dont see the problem here. This helps both of us.
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Ban yourself and yes I will be happy. Quit trying to take away the rights of the players just because they own you in trash talk!
Just like how you all tried to keep me muted when I did NOTHING against the rules. Then refused to approve posts from people supporting me. Why should I give a damn about who plays on the server after you guys did that? I'm just here to defend a friend who broke no server rules.
Now you are trying to take it out on van because he is a easy target where you can line up a dozen people on a witch hunt.
Seems to me you just like the drama
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unfortunately even if u got 100% yes u cant ban people here for toxic behavior theres no rules for it ... and if u wanted to ud have to put the rules in place first then wait for him to violate them ... if not i could ban another 20 people with him for the same thing an then who would we have to play with
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community is in constant decline. new players dont stick around because of how toxic the community is. van is #1 most toxic in my opinion.
If it ain't broke.. dont fix it.
Well, this is broke.. so we either fix it or watch it completely fall apart.
this is a big FALSE cuz when i came back as a new player and left agaIN.. it wasnt for toxic people it was cuz people wouldnt let me play ... simple as that people dont let noobs play or learn the game even if the guy isnt noob a old school vet an very rusty they still dont let him play ...
u wana fix the community work on gettin more games noob friendly... any time i see a new player i go out my way to host for him an try an get him games an teach him sum tricks to keep him sticking aorund .. if we had more people doin that wed have a larger community
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sorry got typos my backspace is broken.. i think,, well i just dont use it
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It's not trash talk when you repeatedly attack other people's significant others, children, ethnicity, race, religion completely unprovoked. That's not trash talk. That's just toxicity. Plain and simple.
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It's not trash talk when you repeatedly attack other people's significant others, children, ethnicity, race, religion completely unprovoked. That's not trash talk. That's just toxicity. Plain and simple.
doesnt matter make rules for it then ..an then u can enforce it .. cant enforce something that theres no rules for
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You are just a attention seeker plain and simple. You do it with me and you do it with van.
Face it nobody is banning van!
hahahahaha
You can't ban van!!!
The vanimal is unbannable!
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We don't have rules here. For the most part we go by what the community agrees with. Pretty much always have.
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ok if yall gonna drink we all trying sweetwater ipa 420 it has screwed my beer energy up into something else
love how every topic ur always off subject XD rofl .. ur the man
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We don't have rules here. For the most part we go by what the community agrees with. Pretty much always have.
an we agree that no rules is best an let every 1 do w.e tf they want there for we cant ban any 1 for ne thing.. unless theres proof of hackin which even that doesnt even get u a perm ban
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peopel dont like van they can squelch him thats what we came to every time this subject is brought up i dont see whats different now
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cause panties are getting in a wad gd just whoop ass sea bass ..toxity is caused by anonymous
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(http://i.imgur.com/L8CIA63.jpg)
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Z has a message to TK
Upchurch "Come and get it" (Official Video) Chicken Willie Album - YouTube (http://youtu.be/hxgamUDbJjE#)
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peopel dont like van they can squelch him thats what we came to every time this subject is brought up i dont see whats different now
It's not working. It hasnt been working. There's no reason everyone should have to auto squelch him on joining the sever every single time..
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Z has a message to TK
Upchurch "Come and get it" (Official Video) Chicken Willie Album - YouTube ([url]http://youtu.be/hxgamUDbJjE#[/url])
That you like shitty music? I get it. No need to keep sending messages
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What's not working is you as a admin.
Follow in Big Bux's footsteps he knows how things roll.
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Wow warbux talking about rules
You banned from server random guy who build in your game as watcher,
Why you are accept mutliaccount from one person, if burnt is muted, now he should get banned for second account
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Don't forget Szwagier who gave you leads for easy money on war2 time trials.
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The vanimal
You mean the Vanginal.
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You should NOT under any circumstances ban van from ru.
He is helping USA so freaking much.
USA is doing so awesome and in addition to having many fabulous and fun people playing regularly that draw in players old and new, van's presence in ru really helps boost our player base by driving people out of ru to USA!!
NO BAN!!
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I dint want to do that because van is the only one friend left to burnt, but it's time to do it, ban him.
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unless we get like 80% yes then he's safe. i'd love to ban him. I think he earns it pretty much every day he logs on. but without overwhelming community support, he stays.
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Are you all retard whit those pools, pools mean no shit, do the right thing just ban him.
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Don't forget Szwagier who gave you leads for easy money on war2 time trials.
?? Did I steal or win this money?? You just made tours nothing more
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unless we get like 80% yes then he's safe. i'd love to ban him. I think he earns it pretty much every day he logs on. but without overwhelming community support, he stays.
tk it doesnt matter what ur polls says hes safe reguardless lol
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unless we get like 80% yes then he's safe. i'd love to ban him. I think he earns it pretty much every day he logs on. but without overwhelming community support, he stays.
tk it doesnt matter what ur polls says hes safe reguardless lol
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Don't forget Szwagier who gave you leads for easy money on war2 time trials.
?? Did I steal or win this money?? You just made tours nothing more
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,4503.msg72411.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,4503.msg72411.html)
I gave you this instead of taking it for myself
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unless we get like 80% yes then he's safe. i'd love to ban him. I think he earns it pretty much every day he logs on. but without overwhelming community support, he stays.
tk it doesnt matter what ur polls says hes safe reguardless lol
If the community wants him gone. Hes gone.
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It doesn't matter if he's your friend or if he's in your clan, or if you like him. If the Community agrees that heat is a problem then it's our job to fix that problem. That's the way it's always been. If you're not comfortable with that maybe you should have some discussions with your friend.
All of that being said, at this point it looks like van is safe.
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Just face it you can't ban van with or without some polls =)
This forum doesn't make up even 10% of the players on the server your polls mean shit.
Where were your precious polls when I got unfairly muted?
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Who the fuck is warbux, just ban him!
Tk i want you to contact iL and tell him i want to speak with him!
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@iL
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I'd also like to make sure that nobody is double voting on this poll.
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I'd also like to make sure that nobody is double voting on this poll.
Those pool mean no shit bro, everyone know pool have always been rigged cheated and useless.
No need pool to ban a trash.
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Don't forget Szwagier who gave you leads for easy money on war2 time trials.
?? Did I steal or win this money?? You just made tours nothing more
[url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,4503.msg72411.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,4503.msg72411.html[/url])
I gave you this instead of taking it for myself
You made topic, all could play
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Very low of burnt "I have everyone link to win money, so winner cant argue/disagree with me"
Very low
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Why you are accept mutliaccount from one person, if burnt is muted, now he should get banned for second account
For 1 I never made multi-account.
2. Just a reminder of the type of person I am to him, compared to type of person he is to me.
Very low of burnt "I have everyone link to win money, so winner cant argue/disagree with me"
Very low
We all see the type of person you are TK by your comments about van's wife. Keep crying that you can't ban van!
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If can wants to spam me about fking my wife, he can expect a bit of his own medicine back from me.
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@iL @Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) @mousEtopher
Can any of you confirm whether there were multiple votes from the same person (outlaw and xurnt for example) on the poll? And if so what the real voting numbers are?
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Keep crying that you can't ban van!
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If polls are manipulated, and overwhelming support to ban.. he will be getting banned. If no manipulation, hes safe.
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Keep crying that you can't ban van!
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IMO best solution is to ask il to change regulations about verbal abuse. If van continue to do so then ban. You can't really ban someone basing on forum poll.
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I'm definitely not opposed to going to the drawing board and making some black and white rules. I actually brought it up to other admins privately a few months back.. not opposes to that. But do we really need rules written down to know that you shouldn't consistently act the way van acts.. that its not ok?
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Why you are accept mutliaccount from one person, if burnt is muted, now he should get banned for second account
For 1 I never made multi-account.
2. Just a reminder of the type of person I am to him, compared to type of person he is to me.
Very low of burnt "I have everyone link to win money, so winner cant argue/disagree with me"
Very low
We all see the type of person you are TK by your comments about van's wife. Keep crying that you can't ban van!
Didnt know its possible to change name
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@iL @Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) @mousEtopher
Can any of you confirm whether there were multiple votes from the same person (outlaw and xurnt for example) on the poll? And if so what the real voting numbers are?
I can't see the results. You set it to private when you created it :sweat:
Maybe as admins iL and Mouse could see it, but anyway, I voted no...
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I actually agree with Warbux that there should be rules or warnings before we go banning people. This community has consistently voted against punishing people for bad behavior, and mostly has only supported bans for hacking.
I think having a set of rules we follow is for the best, but I also believe in contextual decision-making and common sense. So, for example, the appropriate thing here (if people think Van is a problem) would be to announce a rule such as:
"Civil behavior is expected from players on this server. We will not hand down punishment lightly, but repeated complaints against a user can result in a temporary or permanent ban." Then admins can use their own discretion based on complaints and history if someone is running afoul of that rule. Tbh van is likely the only violator. But we should roll something like that out, with the approval of the community, and then wait and see how van behaves before taking any action against him -- imho.
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YES GO WITH THAT! THAT WAY I WONT BE ANGRY
VAN WILL OBVIOUSLY GET BANNED ANYWAYS
THEN SHITSTORM & CRAZY BURTON
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"Civil behavior is expected from players on this server. We will not hand down punishment lightly, but repeated complaints against a user can result in a temporary or permanent ban."
ACTUALLY WAIT!
YOU MEAN IN LITERALLY ALL OF THE PLACES? PRIVATE CHANNELS? PRIVATE LOBBIEZ? PRIVATE GAMES? PRIVATE GAMES WITH BOTS THAT ARE BROADCASTED BY TWITCH?
OR WE TALKIN' PUBLIC CHAT, DESCRIPTION N USERNAMES ONLY, AS IT WAS IN THE INFAMOUS RACISM CASE
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I guess only il and mouse can see results.
Van has been banned from the server in the past for his behavior. This definitely isn't the first time this has come up.
This needs to be resolved one way or another. The toxicity (primarily and consistently from van) is doing the server as a whole no favors.
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"Civil behavior is expected from players on this server. We will not hand down punishment lightly, but repeated complaints against a user can result in a temporary or permanent ban."
ACTUALLY WAIT!
YOU MEAN IN LITERALLY ALL OF THE PLACES? PRIVATE CHANNELS? PRIVATE LOBBIEZ? PRIVATE GAMES? PRIVATE GAMES WITH BOTS THAT ARE BROADCASTED BY TWITCH?
OR WE TALKIN' PUBLIC CHAT, DESCRIPTION N USERNAMES ONLY, AS IT WAS IN THE INFAMOUS RACISM CASE
I just threw that rule together on the spot, but as you see i made it based on complaints, so basically you can say whatever the hell you want in privacy as long as the people you're with are cool with it. If you're harassing people or pissing off people that can see the messages, and they complain to us about it, then you could be banned! A single complaint wouldnt get anyone in trouble so users wouldnt be allowed to play "gotcha!" and catch someone saying something rude once and use it against them. A stack of complaints would get someone banned, short-term at first probably but eventually longer-term
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To me this is just a common sense issue. The need for drawn out black and lines is a bit silly imo. Even if there are black and white lines, every situation is going to be different and have gray areas that ultimately end up being at the discretion of the admins/community any way.
Van is blatantly and consistently spewing racist/hateful attacks on other players.. whether it's in game, in lobby, or through private messages. Why are we tolerating this.
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yo I also siad it's a common sense issue, and should be judged through common sense and not black and white, using context and history. Only difference is i said we should get community support for the enforcement policy, then announce it, and then start acting as needed, instead of banning first and then saying hey guys we're banning for this lol
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I feel like it should be common sense that constant toxic/aggressive behavior towards other people will eventually render consequences.
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BLID AND TK ALREADY KNOW... THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THE VANIMAL IS TO BAN HIM!
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BLID AND TK ALREADY KNOW... THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THE VANIMAL IS TO BAN HIM!
nobody can stop the vanimal =)
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I feel like it should be common sense that constant toxic/aggressive behavior towards other people will eventually render consequences.
There's a history of polls on this very forum where people voted against any behavior standards outside of public chat/name slurs
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And he has been punished for the same behavior in the past I believe. It's like we just accepted that hes always going to attack others. A cop out on our part. (I'm guilty of it I admit)
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I feel like it should be common sense that constant toxic/aggressive behavior towards other people will eventually render consequences.
There's a history of polls on this very forum where people voted against any behavior standards outside of public chat/name slurs
And at one point I was on that side of the fence.. I'm definitely kicking myself for taking that position in the past.
We dont need overzealous admins.. but taking action against van is pretty clearly not overzealous
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Keep in mind I'm not disagreeing with you or saying Van's behavior should be protected. I'm only saying we have a history of not punishing for much of this behavior and if we are going to change that we should go about it the right way. http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.0.html)
I would support changing it to keep people from taking things as far as Van does. It doesn't bother me personally (and i recall you in the past telling babyshark to suck it up because van does it to everyone) but I can still acknowledge he is extremely abusive and bad for the community and i'd be behind updating things to prevent that kind of behavior. Start a poll on that and if people agree, and if van continues to act this way, we can sweep the vanimal outta here
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THAT POLL SHOULD ALSO BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING RACISM BACK ON THE TABLE, IF THATS WHAT PEOPLE WANT/DECIDE!
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Please remind me of the opposite, but since TK became admin it has only become more n more negative words spreaded in the community.
It seems to be personal, first Burnt n now VAN.
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1) do you even war2? Or do u have a known aka?
Burnt spewed lies about multiple players Including admins. I didnt tell him to do that.
Van has been attacking players on the server for years. Completely unwarranted.
Remind me how I am somehow the cause of any of this
Hint: I'm not. At all... am I calling them out on their bullshit? Yup.
It's been the wild wild west for a really long time around here. Many seem ok with it. Many seem not ok with it.
My position is that as an admin that plans on investing time and money in the server, I want a bit of an insurance policy in the form of just a small amount of order.. small amount of justice.. small amount of consequences for people just blatantly violating common sense behavior.
If I invest time/money into the server I dont want to be able to blame someone as toxic as van for not succeeding.
Even if that was no part of my motive, is it crazy to say we should all adhere to SOME level of respect towards each other? Some lines we won't intentionally cross on a daily basis? No?
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While I dont like babyshark for the most part.. I do think she was an infinitely more valuable member of the community than van.
If strongly encouraging/forcing van to conduct himself with some sort of civility means her and her friends come back and play/host more regularly, that's a good thing in my mind.
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U wanna do something for the server, a good idea would be focus on n develop positive things. This way u do now, will never work for an old game n community as W2.
And yes I play W2 and have been for last 20 years. My aka is no secret and could easily be found out. But I wont tell you cause maybe you will make a stupoid poll n let me get banned :)
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Please remind me of the opposite, but since TK became admin it has only become more n more negative words spreaded in the community.
It seems to be personal, first Burnt n now VAN.
ding ding ding we have a winner!
It's because van was witness of Blid logging in after the 00Jordanus game is why he is the target now. They never did answer to why they unfairly muted me when I broke no server rules. Oh ya because I caught the admin/his buddy abusing his own ladder.
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Oh ffs...
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I'm done with this shit. Next time van is seen using racial attacks towards others or just down right attacking/harassing others unprovoked I'm issuing a 3 day ban.
If anyone has issues they can discuss it with iL
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Please remind me of the opposite, but since TK became admin it has only become more n more negative words spreaded in the community.
It seems to be personal, first Burnt n now VAN.
ding ding ding we have a winner!
It's because van was witness of Blid logging in after the 00Jordanus game is why he is the target now. They never did answer to why they unfairly muted me when I broke no server rules. Oh ya because I caught the admin/his buddy abusing his own ladder.
I didn't log on right after that game and I have nothing to do with any of that bullshit. I've proved it. And you were not unfairly muted. You were muted to try to help you remove yourself from a situation that was causing you extreme confusion and distress. I unmuted you after I got a plea from ilyich who convinced me it was more helpful to let you continue than try to force any sort of mental health vacation.
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I'm done with this shit. Next time van is seen using racial attacks towards others or just down right attacking/harassing others unprovoked I'm issuing a 3 day ban.
If anyone has issues they can discuss it with iL
I still think we should post a thread about it first and get community approval, and then write down how we're going to handle it, but if that's what you're going to do please make sure to change the main channel topic with an announcement of the policy, so everyone gets the message and is informed.
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Based on the poll here it's obvious there is majority support for it.
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I guess what type of poll do u think I should make?
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"Is the community in favor of escalating levels of common sense punishment"?
Warning
3 day ban
1 week ban
1 month ban
1 year
Permanent ban
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I didn't log on right after that game and I have nothing to do with any of that bullshit.
(http://i.imgur.com/yug43ON.jpg)
You are a liar and you guys are banning van because he spoke the truth.
iL / Tora / and Warbux will be here to unban van
The vanimal will live on forever!
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If admins feel gross abuse of power.. punishment on the admin who initiated initial punishment i.e. removal of admin or w/e
Common sense stuff imo
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"Is the community in favor of escalating levels of common sense punishment"?
Warning
3 day ban
1 week ban
1 month ban
1 year
Permanent ban
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WHERES THE OPTION TO ALLOW RACISM? THE POLL IS BIASED. SHOULD I MAKE ANOTHER FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF ASKING THE COMMUNITY IF THEY WANT RACISM BACK?
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we can make a thread like, does the community support the following rule
"Civil behavior is expected from players on this server. We will not hand down punishment lightly, but repeated complaints against a user can result in a temporary or permanent ban at the discretion of our administrators."
give it a few days, make voting public, it's a rule if it gets majority support, and as you can see it gives you broad latitude to handle things as you deem appropriate. you then move forward from there and punish van the next time you get a complaint that shows something you consider inappropriately abusive
i think that's the best way to do it. im not going to tell you what you CAN do, since youre the one thats in the server and not me. if you want to just add the rule you want to the topic channel, and then boot van when you see him run afoul of it, you can do that too. i just think the best way is to put the rule on the books first
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Upchurch "Donald Trump" - YouTube (http://youtu.be/goUG-GZX9os#)
the vanimal
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We dont need any rules or any pools.
We are all grown adults and we all know what is right or not.
Everyone is salty and have bad bahavior from time to time.
And there no probleme with that, this is what we call competition.
Its a part of the game.
But what we know is wrong is when, someone cant make a difference between the gaming point view and the personal life.
I got no probleme with someone whos gonna be toxic by calling other peoples newbee or trash.
I got no probleme with someone whos gonna be toxic untill it stay in the gaming point view.
But when someone his attacking other peoples about there personal life, its not right.
Van have laugh about angelfire being in weel chair, he wish me to die from my cancer, he insult peoples about there nationality.
He deserve to be punish, because if not, he will feel invincible and will never change and he will keep doing that behavior and even worst.
He deserve 1 month ban as warning.
Right here, right now.
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I agree with EQ!
If it repeats, permanent ban.
I don't care of any trash talking, but you can't speak of wife, children, handicap, mother and bla bla bla!
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I agree with EQ!
If it repeats, permanent ban.
I don't care of any trash talking, but you can't speak of wife, children, handicap, mother and bla bla bla!
yes, i agree with the distinction here between "you suck newb fuck off" type thing and talking about sick children or race or religion etc