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Server.War2.ru / Re: I'd like to take a minute to thank Blid

« on: March 28, 2019, 09:07:21 AM »

Well today was a good day on ru.

There was a good turn out and (comparatively) lots of games 

IDK if it was a response to the current discussion, or perhaps tora got on his FB messenger, or just coincidence, but ultimately idc because I am just happy to see people playing wc2 anywhere ... so YAY 


>> I would like to say, that despite my recent comments about past events, I HAVE noticed that the community in general has become a bit more civil of late.<<

Perhaps we are all getting a bit wiser. Maybe the abscence of couple of the overtly toxic people who don't seem to be around as much, setting the tone, has played a part idk, but recently I do think the server has generally had a better atmosphere, so good work us


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I see there's a fresh round of blid-bashing and admin bashing in general, gotta say a couple of things:

@tk[as], when has the line "I hate you guys, fuck you, you all suck, I should be the boss, can I be the boss?" worked anywhere, ever?

I wasn't very active when you were admin, so I don't know. Despite (obviously) disagreeing with you on some of things, you seem to be a reasonably decent guy who loves the game... perhaps you could be a decent admin. I'm not joining your campaign team or anything, but I think the biggest factor against you is that you keep flaming the shit out of people - *that is not very adminly behavior.

I like blid, he's a nice guy. He's not a very hands-on admin that's true, but I think that is the result of a (right or wrong) historical community policy decision as much as his laid back nature. Also with the amount of flaming/complaining/arguing that has gone on over the years, I would expect it to be a full-time paid position for anyone to actually read and adjudicate on all that crap. I know I sure couldn't do it.

I think if you seriously and sensibly approach blid with an issue he will listen and have a fair crack at making a fair decision. There's no point in saying, "I've been spitting flames all over the forum for days and you havn't done anything", because the chances are he hasn't even read it, and neither has anyone else. I think the same can usually be said of the other admins that I know.

i don't want to take care of that as i'm not a native-spoken english and it's quite difficult for me to understand some moments. But the main reason is i don't understand mentality of our community, i even don't know most players here, so, i'd prefer to work on technical questions.

Yeah, it's hard enough to wade through it all as a native english speaker, that is why there's a number of admins. I think most people understand your role to be more of a technical server admin than directly managing the personal issues.

You guys dropped the ball by not banning BabyShark and Tupac. I think you lost the trust from a lot of the community there.

IMO the people who were using the "BabySharkIsFat" etc. names should have had those names removed and been warned to cut it out, that's just nasty and unnecessary. I have used parody names myself on individual occasions or for a joke, but after the fact like that?... it's a bit off, just laying the boots in, however allowing that sort of thing is in line with policy.

Arguably it could have been a fair decision to ban BS and tupac from this forum for actively promoting another server here, and I am sure that pleanty of other sites would have done that, but I think it is absolutely the right decision not to: you can't have a wild west anything goes free speech policy and then ban people for posting flyers over the graffiti. So I think that is consistant and appropriate.

I see absolutely no reason for either of them to be banned from the server, unless you are going to convict tupac of DDOSing just because you want it to be him.

My idea: if we ban someone, he will go away, so the community will decrease.

Banning should always be a last resort. If we have standards of decency we can apply social pressure. I just takes a few well respected people to publicly tell others when their behavior is inappropriate. At the time. In game or in the channel. If someone is being really harsh, say something. The excuse that they are a good player and may have a point is not really good enough. You can make a point without being a total van about it. Give respect - get respect.

for the time being is managing to keep their crazy under control.

That's all any of us need to do. Anyone still playing this game is a bit loopy in one way or another, but as long as we can mostly keep our nuts in the jar this game will be a lot more accessable. Nobody wants to see people with their nuts hanging out, it's just unsightly.

p.s. tupac: nobody believes anything you say

Just like none wants you to have admin.

LOL epic get your backspace key onto that tk..

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 27, 2019, 11:10:42 AM »

For me it’s like watching television or a movie.

Totally. I often watch tv while im playing. I found myself playing without the sound a bit too, which is pretty slack lol. Been enjoying learning some gow lately. It's a new challenge and I'm learning new stuff. My chop game was getting pretty stagnant.

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 27, 2019, 09:55:56 AM »

Hey man if War2 is interfering in your life and getting in the way of progress you probably should stop wasting your time playing it. Because that’s what war2 is, a waste of time.

It can be a big time-sink, that's true. This can be either good or bad depending on your situation. At the moment I am basically just working and saving money to give to lawyers (ugh). So having a 100% free form of entertainment to fill in some of my evenings is actually a good thing. I'm sure I would spend more money just on entertainment to keep my brain alive if I didn't play.

That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it How about you?

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 27, 2019, 09:10:49 AM »

Well I’m sorry your life sucks. My life sucked once too. One thing I found that helped make it better was cutting out things that didn’t matter, and not worry about things that aren’t important.

Good advice. Glad you didn't cut out playing wc2

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Is the community as a whole not in favor of..

« on: March 27, 2019, 04:59:56 AM »

Playtesting and getting everyone to agree on a set of mods would be much harder than the mods themselves.

I'm sorry I never finished my LiveMod project, I think that would be a good approach to the issue. It lets map designers add a set of mods to an individual pud file. Everyone needs to be running the LiveMod program, but the mods are loaded from the pud file so everyone gets the same mods and they are only applied for that game, then reset afterwards.

The alpha test worked fine. It's just a bunch of time I don't really have to get a finished version done, and then it might be hard to convince people to d/l and run LiveMod. Would be a good thing to add to the next CE release.

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 27, 2019, 01:47:58 AM »

I care about my career, my education, my family, and my friends. I don't care about a online gaming server and the nameless faces that populate it.
If you really equate this gaming server and the individuals that populate it in the same retrospect you do your every day life then that tells me one of two things.
A) Your life sucks.
B) Your suffering from video game addiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_addiction

If it's the former my apologies. If it's the latter I suggest you seek therapy.

Yes, my life currently sucks a bit, but I am getting it back on track.

The "nameless faces" ( actually I think you will find that they're faceless names ) are in fact people. I don't consider them all to be personal friends, that would be a bit sad and silly, but I have in fact met a few people online that I do consider my friends.

I also believe in being basically decent to people. If I am walking down a busy street, I don't feel that I can treat the other people like shit simply because I don't know them.

And sad as it may be, I do care about wc2 because it has been a part of my life for a long time and I enjoy it. I'm pretty sure you are the same in this regard only you choose to deny that obvious fact, which is actually a bit sadder IMO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 27, 2019, 01:12:14 AM »

You need to get a grip, her contacting peoples family's is not cool, but obviously because its someone you don't like (van) yeah that's cool. I hate him as much as the next person but it's still something you don't do.

And she doesn't need to post in this thread to be bringing it up constantly, go look at many of her other threads or threads she's hijacked over the past months. It's a crutch to fallback on. Hence the "Continuously", which is a word that has gone way over your head clearly. Maybe you should look into that before telling others how low their iq are to impress the girl who admitted herself on here that she was sexting multiple people. Which is probably why you're trying way harder to white knight now lol.

I considered babyshark one of my friends until she decided to start harassing me for reasons stated before.  I've refrained from insulting her for the most part other then to call her unstable  which she clearly is and maybe the occasional 2-faced. I know she'd tell you otherwise by saying I'm a "hater" which is why you feel the need to try so hard. But keep trying hard though lambchops, maybe you'll get the time of day eventually. Even though you'd be more likely to find someone at your local coles, k mart, target or woolworths.

Hmm. Ok briefly, for the record:

I don't think the FB thing was right, that is not cool, but that is something happened as a result of the issues, it was not a cause of them.

The thread hi-jacking I also don't particularly like. It's not a crime, but I don't think that sort of thing makes anyone look good.

As for "sexting" it seems to be an issue for you, and I suspect was probably and issue for a few people here based on the juvenile frat-boyish behavior that ensued, but I honestly couldn't give a rat's ass.

I don't need to pick up girls at Target (although you go for it), but seeing as you're interested in my love-life: I'm actually banging the 28 year old who lives next door occasionally, she's also a friend of mine who's company I enjoy. Honestly I would prefer a more substantial relationship with someone closer to my own age, but I'm neither crying myself to sleep over it nor hoping for some kind of online tryst with a married gamer who lives on the other side of the planet.

You are seriously hung up on BS being female. Deal with it or don't idc, but don't try to project it onto me.

Also lol at tk being top 2 suspects. Good joke.

Yeah ikr?

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 26, 2019, 11:11:30 PM »

So, the main problem for Babyshark is trash talking?
Then i'd say that's even bigger loss than i thought.

I also hate trash-talking on our forum&server, 4+ years ago i also tried to do something with that. I also have a thick skin, but that's just unpleasant to join the server and see all that trash.
I tried to make server rules in 2014: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,38.msg171.html
Or make polls: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,117.msg847.html
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.msg1368.html

As I see it, the problem wasn't just trash talking. It was that it had gone too far into genuine harassment. BS sought help from the administration not for an individual "he-said she-said" argument, but for ongoing targeted nasty abuse that was independant of any incidental events on a specific day. In the end it became too much for her to cope with and she left with a (IMO) largely ill-advised explosion.... FB, public flaming etc.

I don't know that there's an easy set of rules we could have somehow grafted onto our existing community, but I do think that we, as a community, should have been able to do something about it before it got to that point.

If someone is beating another person with a bat, that is bad. You don't have to say "I agree with the victim and everything they say and we are BFFs now", you just have to be a decent human being and say, "stop hitting them with a bat, that is not ok". Sugesting that is ok because you don't like that person or because they are yelling a bunch of stuff while they are being hit is not an excuse. People being hit with a bat will generally lose their shit and yell all sorts of stuff.

This is common sense. You don't need rules to work it out. This place is well cliquey enough that if a few people had had the balls to just stand up and apply a bit of social pressure against it, the whole thing could have been managed.

But i understood community doesn't accept that.
Community deserves atmosphere they created, and that's not our power to change that.
If we begin to ban people for trash-talking, they just leave.

I understand that, but they are leaving anyway. Quieter people don't post on the forum, and generally don't trash talk, and don't like being subjected to it.

The standard has to be set not for the existing players, it has to be for the players we don't have yet. Young people. New people. There are millions of people every day clicking around on stupid browser games because they are bored. The opinions of those people are much more important that the opinions of the few crusty old assholes we still have left.

If us crusty old assholes have any brains at all we should see that.

At the same time i understand comminuty is wide, every single player has his own opinion about trash-talking also.
No idea how Babyshark plans to avoid trash talking or her server: to ban people? Or to make some different activity?

Well I think there's a no swearing in the channel policy and a bot to police it, but basically it's a small enough group that people aren't nasty to each other.

That's sad she is against us, not on our side...

Maybe we could do something together...

I don't think BS is "against us". She just feels that she was treated very badly and no longer wants to play here. I don't think someone is the enemy just because they want to play wc2 somewhere else. It's not like she didn't try hard for a long time here.

Personally I don't mind a little bit of trash talk occasionally, but for some people it is their normal for of communication when gaming .... constant rage and flame... IMO that's just being a dick

The problem is /squelch doesn't have a memory so she had to squelch the same people every single time she logged in, and if she didn't, they would send her flame messages.  But then she could squelch them after that... but it was just annoying

Yes in this case I think that feature would have helped a lot. Clearly it was more than just annoying.

That's why she was dissatisfied, but she finally left after something that is better categorized as interpersonal drama, Mousetopher had temp muted Babyshark and Van in Discord chat because they were in a flame war, and Babyshark felt betrayed and angry.

Yeah it was ugly at the end, but there was a lot leading up to that.

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 26, 2019, 10:13:59 PM »

she is predominately disliked by the majority of the player base.

The majority of the player base either doesn't like her or doesn't know who she is.

No I'm saying she isn't that well known or liked by the majority of the community.

Back-pedaling much?

Tbh I actually really don't care that much about Babyshark or this game in general. It's not that important to me, and I really hope it's not that important to you either.

That's a lot of posts about a person and a game you don't care about. Sorry to disappoint but I care about both of them.

I'm saying that I have over 20 players on FB and social media who are inactive and active whom I could message at any time to come play on the server.( I did ask for your social media you told me you didn't have any) I also know the entire player base and I'm telling you Babyshark isn't that important.

I have a FB account that I literally haven't logged into for years and don't use. I use discord mainly (Lambchops#3843) and I also have whatsapp for people who don't use discord (just my brother really these days) and I also use the pm on this forum a bit. You are welcome to contact me any time.

As to whether or not any single player is "that important", there are 2 ways to look at it.

1) Subjectively depending on your opinion of the individual and their contribution.
2) Mathematically. If there were 400 players then each of then would be 0.25% important.

I'd guess that by now every time we lose a player we are losing about 3% (and rising) of the game.

I think it's "that important".

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 26, 2019, 09:36:23 PM »

of all the people who talk shit to you here and vice-versa why is she singled out? Because she's female and you're a sexually frustrated nerd with a tiny penis? ... oh no wait, I must have a "white knight" complex.

.... blah blah I have a low IQ blah blah .... the fact you and her need to bring up the female card continuously just proves ... blah blah blah

That statement was a direct response to this gem from tk:

The only reason other people are supporting her decision is because she is a female and they want to be a white knight.

Which is the only time I have mentioned gender, so I didn't bring it up... and BS has not even taken part in this thread at all .... so she didn't bring it up.

But you just wrote an entire paragraph on it. Got any other FACTS for me?

Dude, get a grip - at least TK was smart enough to drop that tack.

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 26, 2019, 11:39:54 AM »

I have over 20 players on Facebook and other social media and I know pretty much every player on the server. So we can agree to disagree there. The majority of the player base either doesn't like her or doesn't know who she is.

So you think if someone doesn't know her they hate her? Seriously wth?

FB is the definition of an echo chamber. I'm sure in 10 minutes I could come up with 20 fb friends who will say that all muslims are evil.

5 of them will hate muslims, another 8 will just agree with whatever you ask them, 6 of them will have nothing against muslims but aren't game to disagree with everyone else, and the last guy is actually a muslim who is scared the other 19 will lynch him if he admits it.

I don't even see 20 people regularly playing. How about this, instead of stalking the usa server, why don't you start reporting on every time there's actually real 20 players on ru. Maybe some weekends? Maybe?

End of the day lamb the player base isn't going to change in order to accommodate one player.

You don't want to change to accommodate me?

End of the day there will be one player left.

If Babyshark wants to play on war2ru again

She doesn't. Our loss.

This is a game it's not real life. Anyone that genuinely gets upset by words sent to them on a gaming server should really rethink the way they are approaching the internet world.

Says the guy who has taken so much offence at BS's posts.


It's pretty basic stuff. Act like a bunch of assholes and nobody will want to join in. WTF is so hard to understand about that?

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 26, 2019, 09:44:09 AM »

Ok this thread has gotten way outta hand. Classic war2 flame war about a game on the internet.

No way man, this is just getting warmed up. Page 12 will be goldmine material.

Maybe tupac did it maybe he didn’t.

Oh he defiantely did it. The quake server went down right as the plane hit the pentagon.

Here, check the proof:

http://quake99.server.com/logs/2001-09-11/uptime.log

War2 is a fun game but it is a game.
I do think a large percentage of our playerbase is suffering from video game addiction.

Not true. Last Sunday I spent at least 18 consecutive minutes at home in front of my computer not playing games.

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 26, 2019, 09:00:28 AM »

The first link does not support your claim at all. So okay?

Not clicking the second link because I don't know what it is.

Yeah man, that 2nd link definately looks a bit sus. Not at all like the first one. Plus I found out a while ago that tupac was actually remote piloting the plane that hit the pentagon on 9/11 while simultainiously DDOSing a quake server. Just goes to show, you can't be too careful. Better not click it.

all go look at easy to make us feel better loool

Haha never fails 

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 26, 2019, 08:39:32 AM »

Oh, you got me good with the backspace burn. Snap

Damn straight. My backspace burn was epic! You know it. You felt it. Took you 2 replies and you're still not over it

You spell definitely Wrong by the way. oh I got you a good. Serious burn. Oh snap oh snap

HAHA yeah I always mess that word up, funny thing is the last person to point that out was BS, she likes her spelling too..... you guys are just 2 peas in a pod aren't you?

Actually the one that really annoys me is I wrote "your" instead of "you're" up there ^ but it's in the middle of a long post so nobody will ever read it anyway. I'd edit it but I couldn't be assed - I think I'll just get tupac to hack the forum server and change it for me

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Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: GOG at perfect timing

« on: March 26, 2019, 07:55:06 AM »

Tupac DDOS'd the server like 6 months ago.

Haha no he didn't. My top 2 suspects for that are archer and YOU. That was clearly and obviously subterfuge designed to stir up resentment against the new server. I was talking to tupac privatly quite a bit at the time, and I have no doubt he would have said something if it was him.

What's more I think you know that and are just deliberately provoking him.

Really? You sound so stupid. More lies out of your mouth..... (etc)

... and there we go. The angry words of someone being falsely accused... (and sadly taking the bait a bit), but definately not the smuggness of some dumb hacker who thinks he did something clever.

You're going to have to do better than that you toxic fuc f***

LOL fucking epic self-censorship fail the backspace key is just under F12 there mate