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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: LiveFreeorDie on May 05, 2017, 07:24:49 PM
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i think they can take a finger off be careful
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:o gotta have mine for 2 pinicoladas..
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Can u post these in the SS section I cant view them here
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rude guy
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Was a 4s or 3s I think. You think the guy was map hacking?
Why is that?
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a lot of people know orochimaru, so he doesnt need to post the ss
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it wasn't a valid ss request.
A valid ss request must meet these requirements:
the player's name/color, with a request asking for an ss. ( No one knew who she was asking an ss for )
The game has to remain paused before and during the screenshot ( the game was unpaused 4-6 times by different players before she typed that sentence shown in her screen shots.) You can ask any one of the players in her /ping if that's the case.
No one even thought she was serious, i don't think a single player took an ss, nor did I.
I was simply the one who responded to the SS request as a joke.
When she typed " you have to take it" or w/e i didn't even know why she was talking to me, which is strange because she didn't ask anyone for an ss.
She just said " have you done it?" "you can't unpause" and " you have to take it" and No one knew who she was talking to.
but long story short, someone else unpaused it ( i believe kyle ) and it's not a valid ss request regardless of myself
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The game has to remain paused before and during the screenshot
*trumps face* wrOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOng. so if you, or any other idiot for that matter, instantly unpause, you are immune to ss requests? why u so stoopid lately
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The game has to remain paused before and during the screenshot
*trumps face* wrOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOng. so if you, or any other idiot for that matter, instantly unpause, you are immune to ss requests? why u so stoopid lately
obviously that results in a ban, but i didn't unpause it, so why are we still talking about it?
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Well, truth be told, you were probably orange or teal and she asked for ss out of spite (for not giving her vision).
Of course her vising you with her one shitty peon hidden in a corner as a watcher can be disregarded.
Your unpausing logic was flawed regardless, should have taken it anyway, even if unpaused.
the line of defense u got is that she didnt specify your name/color, which is actually a solid argument. OTOH, on the ss its clear you were responding to her requests
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Well, truth be told, you were probably orange or teal and she asked for ss out of spite (for not giving her vision).
Of course her vising you with her one shitty peon hidden in a corner as a watcher can be disregarded.
Your unpausing logic was flawed regardless, should have taken it anyway, even if unpaused.
the line of defense u got is that she didnt specify your name/color, which is actually a solid argument. OTOH, on the ss its clear you were responding to her requests
i was just trolling her, i wasn't responding to anything.
and how is my "logic flawed" if a u can toggle hack ( like the one u created ) map hack off when it's unpaused. how is it valid then?
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I'd be interested in seeing it confirmed that it was other people that were doing the unpausing, not Yamon.
Yamon, you didn't take a SS at any point?
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Like I would say at this point, it's obvious that you are the one being asked for ss, and you should have pressed prnt-scrn even if it was no longer paused
(http://ss.war2.ru/ss/9249.gif)
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and how is my "logic flawed" if a u can toggle hack ( like the one u created ) map hack off when it's unpaused. how is it valid then?
if someone else unpauses, you should still take the ss, its better than nothing
some hax can be toggled off, some cant
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In truth there aren't any SS's of where baby specifically calls out orochimaru to "SS".
But those ss's she took do look like orochimaru knew she was talking to him. Hard to give a ruling. Can anyone else from that game tell us what happened?
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I'd be interested in seeing it confirmed that it was other people that were doing the unpausing, not Yamon.
Yamon, you didn't take a SS at any point?
no i didn't take an ss. this is taking up too much of my time u can ban me if u want
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I'm calling bs on the whole thing.
Both Babyshark and Yamon are extremely close to mousey.
Yamon just does a thread for ss request a day or two before with this mysterious lethal~viruz guy who has a username that consists of two different well known players names.
Kanca coming out of nowhere as unknown and posting to yamon
After months free of hacker threads... what is up this week?
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its funny if you compare babysharks behaviour and arguments from both threads. like day and night, man. day and night! :critter: and :pig:
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nice use of emotes ^
Both Babyshark and Yamon are extremely close to mousey.
omg why are you dragging me in to this burton!!
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I think its a conspiracy troll job...
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I think its a conspiracy troll job...
it's super obvious that this whole thing was contrived
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I think its a conspiracy troll job...
Part of me is inclined to think so.
Nobody getting a ban until we hear from some of the other players from this game.
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Seems that the admins are incredibly out of touch with the players on the server. This is definitely not a troll job lol. Obviously, Yamon accused the Lethalviruz of hacking because he did something that wasn't in Yamon's thought process as far as "good" w2. Whether the guy hacked or not, who knows. A screenshot would've just made this disappear. This is where the 2nd part comes into play. Yamon has a habit of pretending to befriend noobs. When they realize what his real personality is they try to distance themselves from him. He then goes on smurfing sprees to try to fuck with those noobs he pretended to befriend. In this case, those noobs are lethal viruz, babyshark and 2 others in that little crew. Naturally they will defend each other because they are noobs, have grown in w2 together, and gamed with each other nonstop. Babyshark pausing to ask Yamon for ss could be "revenge" but at the same time it uses the very same ruleset that Yamon used to mess with their crew. This pattern has repeated often with Yamon.
As for the Kanca thing, I don't believe it would be fair to say that Kanca came from nowhere. He was around a ton before going on hiatus due to his personal stuff. It looks weird that admins think someone is new to the server when the people have put in a year plus into w2. That is a major disconnect. I know it is fun to keep up with what you guys consider the major names on w2 but there are other players on the server. It just seems that they are finally growing tired of being crapped on and have zero recognition from the w2 community/admins.
This is really just a post to tell the players that think they are not noticed, that some of us have noticed you and are glad you are gaming. I can speak for 85% of 00 Clan and say we respect that you guys are constantly gaming and having fun playing random maps and occasionally dipping your toes in gow.
/Rant
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I meant it as a joke greenplastic. Just trying to bring a laugh in a nasty situation right now where seems to be a lot of ss request and tension going on.
For Kanca I said out of nowhere as in "unknown flag" because he was playing plenty before and did not ever have that come up. Was not saying he appeared on the server out of nowhere.
I spend more time playing with these lower level guys then I do in games with the pro's because I too host the variety maps and those are the type of people that usually join. I have a lot of respect for these type of players because they are the ones who are usually not the ones who will boot newbies.
Sure I like seeing the legends around as well and sometimes will mark out to see a oldschool come back.. but don't let that confuse you, I love all the players who come on this server and know that each and every one counts, and I want to continue to bring more.
Also I am not a admin. I know Tora said it too but you put admins so I am thinking you are referring to me.
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Well, Tora and Mouse themselves mostly play with people like BabyShark etc
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Yeah that rant seems really off, and even though I like 00Joe and always get along with him it felt disrespectful.
Mainly just these parts. I just don't understand why he would say it..
Seems that the admins are incredibly out of touch with the players on the server.
I know it is fun to keep up with what you guys consider the major names on w2 but there are other players on the server. It just seems that they are finally growing tired of being crapped on and have zero recognition from the w2 community/admins.
This is really just a post to tell the players that think they are not noticed, that some of us have noticed you and are glad you are gaming. I can speak for 85% of 00 Clan and say we respect that you guys are constantly gaming and having fun playing random maps and occasionally dipping your toes in gow.
I always see ~Tora~ in games on the server status, Mousey as well and they are always willing to jump into games with players of all levels and spend a lot of time helping people out.
~Tora~ has even hosted multiple tournaments just for Tier 3 players of that caliber.. like where is he getting this from?
Don't see how the admins are crapping on these players when they are the ones who spend the most time playing with them.
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not to mention i've spent the most time playing with them easily, and offer to teach anyone of them if they so desire. But these new players seem to be super casual which is an unattractive trait to me on war2. I've also spent like collectively 10 hours of my time fixing their hosting issues, answering questions, encouraging them to play and get better, teaching them namely tora and mousey, and streaming specifically for new players to learn.
but as soon as one of their clique members gets banned ( the same guy i tried to forward his ports for) because he's too stupid to understand the rules, they turn on me and try to frame me for hacking. Babyshark is worse than viruz , because instead of hacking she tried to frame me because her friend got banned for hacking, and she doesn't like me.
there was a lot more background on this thread that i cared to elaborate on, because i just don't care about war2 in general anymore, but trying to bring up some validity or significance to this entire thread is pointless because it's just babyshark blowing off steam. Other ppl just see any thread about me as an opportunity to get on and somehow skew their personal bias against me through rhetoric and drivel into some sort of valid point/or talking point because why not? Everyone on war2 is pretty stupid imo, which is why i have 1 friend on this game and that's kyle.
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This is most certainly a troll / frame job... isn't it BabyShark?
Tell Tora he is right to be suspicious...
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it takes alot of energy to write paragraphs..to much work for a troll they like instant gratification.
like #war2wierdos etc:P nothing wrong but yeah.unless they really got a grudge..welp gone back to music studying the pope and still working my way thru lambchops dam high iq's so crytpic
....if its girls as trolls thats called scorned :-\ what has benn exactly happening on war2 :P or maybe snowflakes like me :P hell i thought i was getting trolled but by nature no way it would exhaust another mind it liks the = you off dancing :D
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The reason why Lethal~Viruz was given a temp ban was because he didn't make any real defense or excuse. He simply said "people know me on the server so I don't have to SS."
Yamon is denying you ever requested an SS from him. Also I have spoken to other players in this game they have told me you were just a watcher. (Idk if this is true or not.)
Bottom line is there are more questions that need to be answered with your SS request vs the SS request yamon posted against Lethal ~Viruz.
@BabyShark If you can get someone from the game to corroborate your story then we can move forward.
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What does it matter if she was a watcher or not? If anything having a watcher ask for a SS is something that shouldnt be taken lightly since they have the full scope of whats happening on the map. And a friendly reminder that this is not the first time yamon has denied a SS on ru.
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What does it matter if she was a watcher or not? If anything having a watcher ask for a SS is something that shouldnt be taken lightly since they have the full scope of whats happening on the map. And a friendly reminder that this is not the first time yamon has denied a SS on ru.
It does matter because she implied this whole time she was playing in said game.
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Can you quote me any time she implied she was playing? because I just re read all the posts here and the closest she got to implying that she was playing was when she said i vised and unvised which to me doesnt imply playing but simply that she had vised from a location on the map and he did not notice or if he did he did not say anything.
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Ywfn, wargasm etc all do hack tests against players they think are playing suspect. When babyshark said she "vised and unvised" her location I assumed she was doing a hack test. As a player
Besides who makes a big thread like this as a watcher.
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Once again I reiterate the point that as a watcher they have the full scope of the map. They will see more suspicious plays than someone who is busy playing and watching from there own perspective. So if I as a watcher saw something suspect and requested a SS and it was denied you better believe I would be here in a heartbeat posting trying to get action taken.
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@BabyShark were you a watcher during this game or did you play?
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I assumed you were a player during this game maybe I shouldn't have done so.
As a side note babyshark, I am also an "average joe" on war2.
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FYI LTfan you know as well as I know its common knowledge watchers aren't supposed to pause games.
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Watchers should not pause game without justification i fully agree but a SS request is fully justified.
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Watchers should not pause game without justification i fully agree but a SS request is fully justified.
Which is why it's probably better for watchers to make players who are playing in said games aware of their suspicions and have them request the SS.
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if there was a way to get the players involved without having to distract them with msgs back and forth because of a suspicion then im down for it but its just easier for the watcher to pause and request SS than it is to spend 5 minutes telling someone to SS and have them distract themselves from the game
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Can u imagine how dumb it will be if we get watchers pausing games and requesting SS's of 1v1 games between SPB and Braviet or Lux and Knitterhemd, etc.
Only reason we having this conversation still is because the player in question is yamon and he is widely disliked on the server.
Side note: If the AH flagged yamon or any other player as unknown, or if a watcher observed a build hack. Then watchers would have more of a precedent to pause and request.
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I heard it said many times by longtime players about the unfair admins, but as I was never previously involved in any "drama", I was blissfully ignorant. I'm starting to see it now, that there are 2 sets of rules. One for your average Joe who plays for fun, and another for the "lifetime members" who play as a way of life. It is extremely unfair, and a huge turn off of the entire server.
That is not really fair to say as he is doing all he can with the evidence you provided. I don't think they take enjoyment in banning Lethal~Viruz they just have to follow the policy just like they are doing in your situation.
Yamon use to stir up a lot in the past and I believe he has been banned before. Lately it seemed as if he was getting along more with players and I was happy to see that. It is too bad the situation went whichever way it did. Honestly though I think Yamon would be the last player Blid would let slide by with something due to his rocky past, its just a matter of enforcing the guidelines.
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lets be clear. I've Never been caught hacking before Ever, because i have never hacked before.
It's like people have this preconceived notion in their minds that since i troll and they don't like me i must also hack. No I don't and I never did.
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This "rocky past" i have, the only time i've EVER been banned is because i didn't post an SS in like 2010 because i had windows vista and my ss's were hidden in my war2 folder, but i found the SS and posted it, and got unbanned the next day.
But yeah like tora said, i am widely disliked on the server so this whole thing is like even if there's a 1% chance that i was hacking everyone wants to know about it, but me being that said person is Highly unlikely as i stream 99% of my games.
And this "situation" "going the way it did" is babyshark trying to frame me, very sloppily, and that's all it is.
It's also worth noting the game i was APPARENTLY asked for an ss, was a game where i powered at 11, and then attacked 12/2 without EVER doing anything suspicious at all. I was also playing against kyle, whom i was on teamspeak with at the time, and i don't know how hackers operate/think but is it likely that i am hacking vs someone i am on teamspeak with?
(https://s21.postimg.org/89c7061xj/teamspeak.png)
Come to think of it, this whole thing reminds of something:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxHDBhnAUJE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxHDBhnAUJE)
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Hi all,
lets be clear. I've Never been caught hacking before Ever, because i have never hacked before.
The following is a part from Yamon's post at the discussion of Lethal~Viruz refusing to take an SS.
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This began as a non-personal for me, and it still remains non-personal. I helped viruz fix his hosting just a few weeks ago for free ( or attempted to, i can't remember if i fixed it or not), and i did so happily. I think he's an intelligent young lad and i admire him. And i actually like him. I'm not trying to be mean or "spread hate" by a simple ss request. My student Lone has asked me for ss over a dozen times, and all i do is laugh and post.
It's nothing out of the ordinary for new players to experiment with hacks, I did myself when i was new.
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Sorry Yamon, but you are contradicting your self. Not that anyone cares about it, but at least try to keep on one story.
Well, there is no hard evidence that BS was asking Orochimaru for the SS. But there is hard evidence that Orochimaru responded to it by denying it.
Thus Orochimaru denied a SS. The rules are clear on that, aren't?
In Greece we have a saying: Whoever has a fly, feels the itch! In this case as Orochimaru was the only one responding he had the "fly" thus he clearly knew that the hack accusation was for him. And did what he could to dodge it.
The evidence are there.
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There's no such thing as "character witnesses" for server rules... it's just straightforward deny a valid ss and get a temp ban. Lethal was shown denying a request saying "everyone knows me" which if people didn't know yet is not how the rules work.
i agree with the claw's summary on page one and hsi next post, I think it's the correct approach
Well, truth be told, you were probably orange or teal and she asked for ss out of spite (for not giving her vision).
Of course her vising you with her one shitty peon hidden in a corner as a watcher can be disregarded.
Your unpausing logic was flawed regardless, should have taken it anyway, even if unpaused.
the line of defense u got is that she didnt specify your name/color, which is actually a solid argument. OTOH, on the ss its clear you were responding to her requests
and how is my "logic flawed" if a u can toggle hack ( like the one u created ) map hack off when it's unpaused. how is it valid then?
if someone else unpauses, you should still take the ss, its better than nothing
some hax can be toggled off, some cant
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i was still never asked for an ss, and i wasn't "denying it by responding" i said "stfu" because no one knew who she was asking for an ss, and no one was paying attention. And the fact that i responded and somehow became responsible for posting an ss is an invalid argument, because even hypothetically, which it isn't, i still didn't know i was being asked to take an ss BECAUSE NO ONE ASKED ME FOR AN SS.
And if taking the ss is better than nothing ( had i even been asked ) then what's the point in pausing the game at all ever?
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If it's not paused it's easier for a hacker to toggle the hack and bs their way past the request, that's why we pause. But you might still catch them and there's nothing that says because the game isn't paused or because someone is unpausing the game then the request doesn't count.
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Hi all,
lets be clear. I've Never been caught hacking before Ever, because i have never hacked before.
The following is a part from Yamon's post at the discussion of Lethal~Viruz refusing to take an SS.
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This began as a non-personal for me, and it still remains non-personal. I helped viruz fix his hosting just a few weeks ago for free ( or attempted to, i can't remember if i fixed it or not), and i did so happily. I think he's an intelligent young lad and i admire him. And i actually like him. I'm not trying to be mean or "spread hate" by a simple ss request. My student Lone has asked me for ss over a dozen times, and all i do is laugh and post.
It's nothing out of the ordinary for new players to experiment with hacks, I did myself when i was new.
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Sorry Yamon, but you are contradicting your self. Not that anyone cares about it, but at least try to keep on one story.
Well, there is no hard evidence that BS was asking Orochimaru for the SS. But there is hard evidence that Orochimaru responded to it by denying it.
Thus Orochimaru denied a SS. The rules are clear on that, aren't?
In Greece we have a saying: Whoever has a fly, feels the itch! In this case as Orochimaru was the only one responding he had the "fly" thus he clearly knew that the hack accusation was for him. And did what he could to dodge it.
The evidence are there.
I have never hacked on ru, or a competitive game. I hacked 3 times on U.S. east in 3 world domination games when i was 13, youre a huge faggot and you're trying to conjure a fucking point, and quite frankly it is disgusting and pathetic.
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If it's not paused it's easier for a hacker to toggle the hack and bs their way past the request, that's why we pause. But you might still catch them and there's nothing that says because the game isn't paused or because someone is unpausing the game then the request doesn't count.
it doesn't matter. I was never asked for an ss. You can't just randomly pause as a watcher and ask for an SS, and whoever responds to you is now responsible for taking an ss when they were never addressed specifically or asked for one. And if you are going to pursue an SS on such a ridiculous notion i'm going to smurf and join a bunch of games as a watcher and randomly pause and ask for ss, and whoever responds, i pretend like i accused them, post the ss, while it's unpaused and then do a /ping just for visual diversity, and then we can sit here for weeks sorting through tons of fabricated ss accusations.
If u fucking dimwhits had half a brain between you, just look at the fucking thread name " Orochimaru dodges SS ( Was never asked for one, never denied one, there is no picture of me being asked for one, or denying one ) And "unpauses repeatedly" which kyle was the one unpausing, not me.
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He also only said "white ss". I havent seen the proof anywhere that Viruz in fact was white. It was just assumed.
it was 2v1, so only one opponent, it's not at all unreasonable to assume a player isn't asking his ally for ss
I agree with blid, a ss showing who specifically is being asked for ss is needed or the request has to be thrown out. many incomplete ss requests that didn't include /ping or show clearly who is being asked have been rejected in the past, the fact that this one involves a person who made a successful ss request doesn't necessarily indicate any bias.
Lethal~Viruz seems upstanding & probably doesn't hack but no one but him can know that 100%. the ss rule is nice because it allows legit players to easily demonstrate innocence with 1 second of effort. Even if someone is only requesting to be inconvenient they're only causing you 1 second of inconvenience. (that doesn't mean a troll can't have a legit suspicion though.) there's just no good reason to not take ss. the whole system depends on enforcing the right of anyone to request from anyone else at any time even if it seems harsh. at the same time, the request has to be unambiguous & verifiable from an external standpoint to prevent abuse.
It's also notable that Joe's very calm, rational post expressing his personal opinion is called "disrespectful" simply because he dares question the W2 community authority actions or lack thereof, when nothing malicious or deroggatory was said.
the responses to his post were also delivered in a calm & rational way I think, I believe the people who gave them have a right to their opinion too! There's no conspiracy here bs. no one is afraid of yamon & kyle, lol :D
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I agree with blid, a ss showing who specifically is being asked for ss is needed or the request has to be thrown out. many incomplete ss requests that didn't include /ping or show clearly who is being asked have been rejected in the past, the fact that this one involves a person who made a successful ss request doesn't necessarily indicate any bias.
For the record i dont really know what i think about this situation! The "I didnt know who she meant" is a decent first line argument but I don't know if it holds up because as the back and forth continued he must have known and still not pressed ss... so then they have to fall back on "we all thought she was just trolling" which leads me to:
Lethal~Viruz seems upstanding & probably doesn't hack but no one but him can know that 100%. the ss rule is nice because it allows legit players to easily demonstrate innocence with 1 second of effort. Even if someone is only requesting to be inconvenient they're only causing you 1 second of inconvenience.
YES. come on people, Yamon, Lethal, etc, it's so easy to just hit a damn button. If you both did that then we wouldnt have any of this happening now. why dont people take ss? why not just always hit the button? I really don't get it
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^^Its pride. Our user is is mainly adult children after all.
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because i didn't know i was being asked for an ss. plain and simple.
and my point still stands amidst all of this debate, that i was NEVER asked for an ss.
she was randomly typing shit, and i replied to it, and i'm guilty by association all of a sudden
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tora clearly missed the part where i said she was watcher with a hidden peon, making the entire argument "i vised and he hasnt said anything" invalid
ltfan clearly missed the part where i said babyshark probably asked yamon for ss out of spite for not vising her (she had NO vision of yamon, therefore your argumentation "as a watcher they have the full scope of the map" is invalid
everyone clearly missed the hate coming from BS posts towards yamon, which further proves my ultimate wisdom
this entire shitfest comes down to the interpretation of the rules (shark didnt technically ask yamon for ss, but he kinda assumed she is and went along with it, but missed the "press ss button" part)
why dont people take ss? why not just always hit the button?
my hax too strong for ss to catch anyway, so why bother
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@ claw yeah I didnt read all your posts.
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my hax too strong for ss to catch anyway, so why bother
good thing you don't play. No one missed the hate though, are you kidding me?? it's so much that it's hard to tell if Poe's law is in effect or not. my guess is not though
@blid that's true but in my experience ss requests get thrown out when it's not clear who is asking who. in this case his responses could indicate 1. he knew it was for him (which is admittedly likely) or 2. someone was making nonspecific requests & pausing repeatedly and he replied with general annoyance/abuse. I would personally err on the side of burden of proof being on accuser
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A second issue here is that, as XuRnT pointed out, Yamon is close friends with one of the admins.
Hmm? Which admin is friends with Yamon
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It's also notable that Joe's very calm, rational post expressing his personal opinion is called "disrespectful" simply because he dares question the W2 community authority actions or lack thereof,
It was a post that seemed more directed towards me and the things I posted, and I am not even a authority anymore. I don't know if disrespectful is the right word for me to choose, maybe insulted.. seem kind of like the same meaning to me idk.
"It just seems that they are finally growing tired of being crapped on and have zero recognition from the w2 community/admins. " - greenplastic
That is the part that really got me. Seems like the majority of the post was about things I said so I took it that this part was to me as well. I just don't see why he would think that, I try to keep a good relationship and get to know every player that I can get a chance to. It was hurtful to me that 00Joe thought this about me as he is a friend of mine also.
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I will not enforce SS requests from watchers.
Im done responding in this thread.
@BabyShark Lethal~Viruz was unbanned today.
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Hmm.
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Tora you have to be the dumbest admin in the history of the server.
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Blid and mouse are free to if they want. Im just saying I won't. Watchers are supposed to watch thats it.
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As discussed in the admin forum neither Mouse nor i have an issue with watchers making ss requests. From talk in there I don't believe Yamon will be banned but Babyshark being a watcher won't be the deciding reason
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So the one person who has access to watch the entire map and is not distracted by playing -- in other words, oftentimes the only person who could potentially catch someone -- is not able to request a screenshot. Because maybe someone could abuse it.
Uh, if they did, don't let them watch. Taking a screenshot is literally pushing one button. Some watcher asks me to take one, I push one button, okay, if I think you were doing it just to troll me or annoy me I won't agree to let you watch next game. It's simple.
In general though on the subject, I always take one because all I have to do is push one key. 90% of the time after the game the person doesnt give a shit anymore and that's the end of it. Very rarely does someone ask me to take one, and very very rarely do I actually have to post it. It's one thing to not post it right away, but it's completely inexcusable to not just that key just in case it comes to the point that you need to have it. It's ridiculous.
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So the one person who has access to watch the entire map and is not distracted by playing -- in other words, oftentimes the only person who could potentially catch someone -- is not able to request a screenshot. Because maybe someone could abuse it.
Uh, if they did, don't let them watch. Taking a screenshot is literally pushing one button. Some watcher asks me to take one, I push one button, okay, if I think you were doing it just to troll me or annoy me I won't agree to let you watch next game. It's simple.
In general though on the subject, I always take one because all I have to do is push one key. 90% of the time after the game the person doesnt give a shit anymore and that's the end of it. Very rarely does someone ask me to take one, and very very rarely do I actually have to post it. It's one thing to not post it right away, but it's completely inexcusable to not just that key just in case it comes to the point that you need to have it. It's ridiculous.
sup azazel, she didn't ask me for an ss.
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It was a post that seemed more directed towards me and the things I posted, and I am not even a authority anymore. I don't know if disrespectful is the right word for me to choose, maybe insulted.. seem kind of like the same meaning to me idk.
"It just seems that they are finally growing tired of being crapped on and have zero recognition from the w2 community/admins. " - greenplastic
That is the part that really got me. Seems like the majority of the post was about things I said so I took it that this part was to me as well. I just don't see why he would think that, I try to keep a good relationship and get to know every player that I can get a chance to. It was hurtful to me that 00Joe thought this about me as he is a friend of mine also.
Yo Xurnt. I meant no disrespect to you. Hope that is cleared up. I think the reason you might feel it is aimed at you is because you care about the community so deeply and always have. That is exactly why it isn't directed at you. My response about the kanca being unknown was a misinformed reply since I totally missed that you were joking. My apologies.
The group of players I think is being ignored the most are the players that are kind of in between. There is a significant effort to bring in new players and a big one that caters to the "pros". The people in between that typically get shit on by the pros for not being good enough and ignored because they've shown they can tread water on their own. I can't reasonably say what I think should be done because I don't have an answer. I'm just pointing out that it should be no surprise when all that frustration finally boils up all at once. It just takes one of that groups' members to voice their opinion for the others to finally be able to voice their own issues.
There is definitely an issue with admins on the server due to some bad choices. Yamon has continously caused issues with numerous players and ruined their fun and gameplay. This isn't anything new. When a person of that standing has used an admins account, it really does not instill any sort of confidence in leadership on the server. In addition, when Yamon is the one harassing your group, and you try to voice your frustrations and feel that your voice is being ignored on technicalities, what are you really supposed to do? It feels like the leadership is telling those players to deal with it. Meanwhile, Yamon is getting a high five, due to inaction, so that the admins can maintain that they follow the policies word for word.
Tora, as far as a watcher not asking for a ss, there is precedent. A watcher has been allowed to ask for a ss before but it had to be reasonable. A person like PB who pauses constantly asking for ss's both as a player and a watcher often gets ignored. The players will police this getting out of hand. They will ban watchers who get out of line or interrupt gameflow on stupid pauses. The easiest thing to do is just hit the ss button for the player in question and then move on. When a ss request is vague, it is easy to just press the button rather than be the accused and not have known it. The watcher must know that if it is viewed as a stupid request by the players, that they may be banned for future games by those same players. It is something that the watcher must weigh selfishly. What you suggest is reasonable. Alerting a player via private message, may be the route most people will take but sometimes it is warranted for a watcher to pause and ask for a ss.
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@GreenPlastic I would take this request more seriously if someone who actually played in this game came forward demanding the SS with the same zeal Babyshark has the past couple days.
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Well, then do tell everyone what the "deciding reason" is.
I think I and all the people who viewed this thread 630 times are itching to know.
Well basically it sounds like "ss" was said with no name attached, Yamon was not the one to unpause the game, and then some shit talking ensued. it's not quite clear enough that yamon was asked properly. Doesn't seem like Mouse or Tora think it should be pursued, and I'm sympathetic to you but I guess I'm with them. because i usually err on the side of not banning people if possible, if theres shades of grey involved like there seems to be here. im sympathetic about yamon being annoying, and how your buddy getting a warning ban and yamon getting nothing seems asymmetrical, so im sorry. i can see it both ways on this one but thats why i guess im not currently thinking i should ban him? let me know if tihs makes sense.
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sup azazel, she didn't ask me for an ss.
Just saying in general, I know this situation isnt as simple.
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Yes, it makes perfect sense.
Yamon goes on smurf name, verbally abuses and harasses an innocent non-hacking player until player becomes very annoyed, loses 2v1 to said player, asks for ss, none is posted, Yamon's target is banned BY ADMINS WHO KNOW HE DOESNT HACK. "Just to follow SS policy."
A legit known player asks for ss, none is posted, nothing happens to Yamon. Suddenly it's like the SS policy doesn't exist.
All that exists is fear of Yamon and his rich powerful friend Swift who supports him.
Really, really fair.
Babyshark your so full of shit its hilarious.
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Yamon goes on smurf name, verbally abuses and harasses an innocent non-hacking player until player becomes very annoyed, loses 2v1 to said player, asks for ss, none is posted, Yamon's target is banned BY ADMINS WHO KNOW HE DOESNT HACK. "Just to follow SS policy."
We really don't know this. Valkrie's friends and clanmates defended him for years, turned out he was hacking.
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I think it's simple, if asking for an SS, include the persons name in the exact same message as you request it. Screw colors imo. Unless there name is something ridiculous like @*#U!#)Y#*%)Y*)#6() of course or theres people using clone names in same game like OOJoe, 00Joe, O0Joe, 0OJoe, 00J0E, as an example. (Your name was easiest to use for the example joe, don't think for a second that i suspect you or anything bud! :P)
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Yes, it makes perfect sense.
Yamon goes on smurf name, verbally abuses and harasses an innocent non-hacking player until player becomes very annoyed, loses 2v1 to said player, asks for ss, none is posted, Yamon's target is banned BY ADMINS WHO KNOW HE DOESNT HACK. "Just to follow SS policy."
A legit known player asks for ss, none is posted, nothing happens to Yamon. Suddenly it's like the SS policy doesn't exist.
All that exists is fear of Yamon and his rich powerful friend Swift who supports him.
Really, really fair.
Babyshark your so full of shit its hilarious.
so I was right to invoke Poe's law? Bs's sudden suspension of rationality is contrived & this whole thing is a huge equinox-esque scam???
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You guys dont know how to look at ss's? those msgs are all from kyles perspective. hes MSGING babyshark. babyshark says 1 thing in those ss's and thats *evil giggle.
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yes, duh. same question.
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Any of the other recent conversations are welcome here too. Full coversation in sequential order is ideal. :)
Oh crap. I just posted a smiley. I must have just stabbed someone in the throat. Maybe I should erase it??
did you make a voodoo doll of me?
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRgyYGt2ugFls9_S78wZn_Osu5YSiSVKxGY0OIi_fzKghKoo3XB)
no but srsly pls don't kill me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A)
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^lol
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I don't understand why people don't just hit the print screen button when there's any question about who is asking who for a screenshot. To say it takes "only a second" is a massive understatement. It happens all the time. Someone pauses in rage and goes simply "ss". I push the button just so I can move on with my life while other people bicker back and forth. It takes many keys to trash talk back and forth as yamon clearly did in this game, but only one key to take a screenshot.
On a only mildly related note--and I haven't brought it up here yet because no one made an issue out of it that I've seen--uploading a screenshot is a huge pain in the ass. My old ass War2 computer still runs Windows XP and an older version of IE and I can't get the god damn upload page to work. I haven't uploaded a screenshot in a couple of years now. I've been asked for a few, and of course I took them (I mean why wouldn't I, it is so god damn easy), but fortunately no one has pushed the issue far enough I would have to figure out how to copy it off my old machine and on to something newer just to get the stupid thing uploaded. To be honest, I don't even know if my flash drive would work on this thing it's so old.
I guess where I'm going with this is while I would understand, considering my personal experience, why someone doesn't upload right away, but for someone to not take a screenshot--that seems like complete BS to me. What does yamon have? Like 200-300APM? It literally takes him 1/5 of a second to push the button? Come on.
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Yeah Ywfn basically said it. People should always be taking screenshots just in case. It's your opportunity to prove you're legitimate, why would you want to miss it and have suspicion land on you instead?
Btw Ywfn I have an old winxp war2 computer too and the ss upload site works pretty well for me. I guess if you have trouble you could always email the ss to someone to post for you, or does gmail and so on suck shit on your comp too? Your comp sounds pretty bad :P
Babyshark I hadn't seen those screenshots when I posted my reasoning, but they do further the issue I had with this ss request, which is that it's not clear who was asked for the ss to begin with. I already thought it was a bit too muddy to ban a user for, and while *evil giggle* isn't like an admission that you're trying to frame Yamon, it does make it even harder to say for sure if this ss request was even directed at Yamon.
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I think the issue is the captcha doesn't work. It doesn't even appear. My machine is running IE 6.0. It's a old machine I use exclusively for war2 so I never did updates other than Windows Security updates. At this point, it's physically falling apart. CD drive barely works, etc, but it works so good for war2 I don't want to use one of my newer machines for war2.
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I hope when it falls apart you don't retire :D
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I will not enforce SS requests from watchers.
This violates the War2 Ru Server Screenshot Policy as dictated here: [url]http://en.war2.ru/about/screenshot-policy/[/url] ([url]http://en.war2.ru/about/screenshot-policy/[/url])
It reads:
"Screenshot Policy
On War2.ru it is mandatory to take screenshots on request during matches, and to upload them on our SS upload site immediately after the match ends.
We have this policy to prevent the use of third-party software (aka “hacks”) that are designed to give players an unfair advantage over their opponents. You can request a screenshot from anyone, and anyone can request one from you. Anyone who fails to upload a screenshot on request will be subject to punitive action at an admin or mod’s discretion."
I will reiterate the word "anyone" taken directly from the server policy where it clearly states ANYONE can request a screenshot from ANYONE.
This concept of watchers not being included in this universal "anyone" is a brand new concept, conveniently invented JUST NOW by Tora. If current policies need updating to exclude watchers, this should have no bearing on the current case. The current case needs to be tried by the current screenshot policy. Most people will not think watchers should be excluded, but if anything, ridiculous abusive smurfers (ie. orcdude11) should be.
And the others don't even agree with Tora, as eyyy im walkin here said:
As discussed in the admin forum neither Mouse nor i have an issue with watchers making ss requests. From talk in there I don't believe Yamon will be banned but Babyshark being a watcher won't be the deciding reason
Well, then do tell everyone what the "deciding reason" is.
I think I and all the people who viewed this thread 630 times are itching to know.
here you are quoting rules, but clearly you missed this xD
How to Request a Screenshot (“SS”)
Pause the game first, then ask the player for a screenshot. (e.g. you can type “ss opponent’s name”, or “screenshot red” )
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I hope when it falls apart you don't retire :D
I will probably just re-purpose another machine at my war2 desk, but we'll see.
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I think that if anyone in the game asks for a SS. It should be taken and posted, it makes things a lot more complicated even fishy if the person doesn't comply. It is safe to assume of whoever babyshark is accusing is most likely a hacker unless Screen was shown. It happens 9/10 cases of people who don't post.
I'd probably give a soft ban. I understand the player base is low but there should be things that are not tolerated.
It's like hey let's keep the guy that rapes women because he contracts new buildings for a cheap price. No matter what the benefit it shouldn't be welcome.
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It's like hey let's keep the guy that rapes women because he contracts new buildings for a cheap price.
A woman screams "someone raped me". Lets put in jail the first guy that responds
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This whole thing is absurd...Yamons contradictory story about a SS request then no SS request and no specific SS request and only being banned 1 time in 2010 even tho he was just banned last year for denying SS is getting old. I guess you have to get in good enough with the admins that they trust you enough to SHARE ACCOUNTS with you so you will never have to worry about being banned.
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Who are you talking about
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mouse and tora sharing accounts with kyle and yamon
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That's weird
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it was just an 'april fools day' thing but its just the point of stories changing and 2 of the admins being good enough friends to share accounts.
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That's fairly funny. Still if I wanted to ban Yamon for this I don't think Mouse and Tora would try to stop me. But there are actual issues w/ this request aren't there?
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Honestly all the doubt i had from the initial screen shot request went away as soon as yamons story changed 3 different times about the SS request, and unfortunately he does have a history of denying ss's and disconnecting games and in general being a poor personality to deal with on the server. and the fact that one of the ss's specifically has him saying i wont be banned or watch me when shark says about not un pausing to me is enough evidence to say he doesnt give a shit about the rules and should face some sort of punishment
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Honestly all the doubt i had from the initial screen shot request went away as soon as yamons story changed 3 different times about the SS request, and unfortunately he does have a history of denying ss's and disconnecting games and in general being a poor personality to deal with on the server. and the fact that one of the ss's specifically has him saying i wont be banned or watch me when shark says about not un pausing to me is enough evidence to say he doesnt give a shit about the rules and should face some sort of punishment
lmfao get a life
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im having a calm rational discussion with blid and your initial reaction to that is get a life? good thanks bud my life outside of this game is pretty well at the moment. ya know i dont have to go around begging war2ers to order me pizza so i think im doing okay for myself.
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im having a calm rational discussion with blid and your initial reaction to that is get a life? good thanks bud my life outside of this game is pretty well at the moment. ya know i dont have to go around begging war2ers to order me pizza so i think im doing okay for myself.
you're a loser lmfao. you're a few bad marriages away from joining scientology, mark my words
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thanks im glad to know you think ill be married multiple times in my future.
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@Blid I do believe I did message you to let you know I was letting Swift play on my name for April fools.
Was really hilarious.
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yes I will not disagree with that. watching lux get raped by 'tora' was probably one of the best nights ever.
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yes I will not disagree with that. watching lux get raped by 'tora' was probably one of the best nights ever.
i'm inclined to believe that
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@Blid I do believe I did message you to let you know I was letting Swift play on my name for April fools.
Was really hilarious.
Once LTFan mentioned it was on April Fools it did ring a bell.
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Kinda cool that when this issue popped up we had multiple members of the War2 Council (who will go unnamed) appear and weigh in. I appreciate your service
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You're welcome.
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I'm swift
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I think yamon should be banned like lethal.. refuse = refuse
and about sharing acc, there isnt rules about it, so its allowed
if u want ban some1 casue he is sharing acc add rule first then u can ban
:pig: :critter: :pig: :critter: :pig: :critter: :pig: :critter: :pig: :critter:
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:critter: :peon: :pig: :critter: :peon: :pig: :critter: :peon: :pig:
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szwagier's wisdom so succinct & no-nonsense. (give editor btw)
That's fairly funny. Still if I wanted to ban Yamon for this I don't think Mouse and Tora would try to stop me. But there are actual issues w/ this request aren't there?
that's true. i'd be on board w/ enforcing the ss rule whether it was against yamon or babyshark, they can both make their own decisions & face their own consequences, I have no particular need to try to protect them from themselves. I believe this request is ambiguous & there is a precedent for throwing out ambiguous requests, and I also dislike that there is an underlying pressure to ignore that and "capitulate" in this case to "prove" a lack of bias just because of its proximity to the yamon ss request
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Clearly yamon is the new member of war2 council. Why was I not informed?
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Swag the no account sharing rule somehow got thrown out the window during my 5 year hiatus. But it shouldn't have been. Account sharing is the ultimate form of douchebaggery. But this has nothing to do with banning him cuz of account sharing. So I don't know why u brought that up. I was just stating when ur trusted enough by an administrator to have a password to an ad mins account you clearly have nothing to worry about when it comes to ss requests. And just so we are all clear lethal was indeed banned for a bad ss request as well. Had he never responded to that thread no one would ever know who the intended target was for it. And u csnt say oh it was 2v1 so it was clearly only lethal. Yamin could have been asking his ally for a ss for some suspicious scouting for all we knew. So technically yamons ss request was as well invalid and should have been thrown out thr window. I'm confident that when lethal was responding to yamons in that thread he was just trolling and yamon never actually asked him for a ss
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admins can check ip.
FOR EXAMPLE
today i was playing as "teaboy" some1 asked me ss and i refused it.
Me g3 and claw know password, so its easy to check ip and give ban who was acctualy playing as "teaboy"
Pb asked many times ppl for ss, maybe its joke maybe its not but i was still doing it but i didnt upload it
If he would made topic about it i would upload it, Easy?
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Huh did I mis type something some where? I don't think I ever said anything about someone logging on someone else's account to hack.
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Huh did I mis type something some where? I don't think I ever said anything about someone logging on someone else's account to hack.
You attacked me cause i was playing as teaboy and "abuse"( still dont know why since i could get 1 as u8) ladder
You said i should be banned for playing ladder as teaboy
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That was how long ago? Why are you still talking about that? It has absolutely nothing to do with yamons situation. But since u brought it up u were abusing amother players name to number 1 and u Daid it was just to teach equinox a lesson but yet u played how many games against viet on his name as well.
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When Orcdude11 a smurf (Yamon) ask for SS I didn't even think he was serious because it was a 2vs1. I was simply the one who responded to the SS request as a joke in the forum thread with "in your asshole". what I didn't know was that Yamon was really close friends with the Admins (the council) and that the rules or policies don't apply to him only to the regular (new players) of this community.
I was just trolling him, i wasn't responding to anything.
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He was just saying random stuff and I was replying random stuff.
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He NEVER asked me for ss, he never mentioned my name.
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even if that was a joke u could just press PSS to make SS, as i wrote ealier
Pb asked many times ppl for ss, maybe its joke maybe its not but i was still doing it but i didnt upload it
If he would made topic about it i would upload it, Easy?
Ltfan u attacked me in lethal refuse ss topic ... it was 2 weeks ago maybe less/more
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even if that was a joke u could just press PSS to make SS, as i wrote ealier
Pb asked many times ppl for ss, maybe its joke maybe its not but i was still doing it but i didnt upload it
If he would made topic about it i would upload it, Easy?
Ltfan u attacked me in lethal refuse ss topic ... it was 2 weeks ago maybe less/more
Yeah Yamon could have done the same but he's untouchable and protected by the admins.
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NOW EVERYTIME A FUCKING LOSER LOSES THEY WILL ASK FOR SS >:( why can't you just accept that you lose like a fucking newb Van?
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even if that was a joke u could just press PSS to make SS, as i wrote ealier
Pb asked many times ppl for ss, maybe its joke maybe its not but i was still doing it but i didnt upload it
If he would made topic about it i would upload it, Easy?
Ltfan u attacked me in lethal refuse ss topic ... it was 2 weeks ago maybe less/more
Yeah Yamon could have done the same but he's untouchable and protected by the admins.
He should be banned like u for weekend(2 days? u were)
But its easy to cheat..
1.Talk with some1 before game to unpasue when u pause
2. Pick chat only for person who will unpause game
3. "SS" white
4. unpause
5. Make topic OMG HE CHEAT
6. BANNED
EASY
As i said lethal just make ss and dont upload, i am sure van wont waste his time to make a new topic if he will be just post ss.
When u use printscreensysrq SS will auto uploaded in your w2 folder
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Dl AH lethal you will probably get less requests then.
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I took SS of Van asking me for SS cuz I know the rules will apply to me but not to Yamon. :'(
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I still dont know why u even try play with him since he is jackass
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Next time u play yamon ask for an SS if he refuses ill ban him.
I already made my position clear on this particular ss request.
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When Orcdude11 a smurf (Yamon) ask for SS I didn't even think he was serious because it was a 2vs1. I was simply the one who responded to the SS request as a joke in the forum thread with "in your asshole". what I didn't know was that Yamon was really close friends with the Admins (the council) and that the rules or policies don't apply to him only to the regular (new players) of this community.
I was just trolling him, i wasn't responding to anything.
oh come on. he said the color in the request. quit lying
and we've banned yamon before. nobodys protecting yamon
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and get your own name
I took SS of Van asking me for SS cuz I know the rules will apply to me but not to Yamon. :'(
this is a ss of you being banned from a game lol
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Yeah this is a little ridiculous here. You say this ss request isn't valid because there's no actual ss of the request just yamon saying there indeed was a ss request. But yamon requests ss from a color no name given and lethal gets the ban. Both being improper ss requests since only someone watching can verify what color lethal was and that is all word of mouth because what if the watcher doesn't like lethal and wants him banned. So if ur gonna follow through on one bad request you have tk follow through on another. The logic is there do the admin job and perm ban yamon for his 3rd offense.
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yall are losing your minds over this imo. is anyone actually friends with yamon? im not his friend, but this ss request is very sketchy as has been discussed at length. i've explained my reasoning with patience and instead of anyone responding to that reasoning all we're now getting is this conspiracy theory shit about him being friends with the admins. he's usually annoying and a goofy weirdo imo, to be honest. i'd ban him as ive banned him before but this request honestly has too many question marks, just straight up
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BabyShark is Elizabeth Swan, and I think we can all guess which one Yamon is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rVP20WeJVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rVP20WeJVI)
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I do not know "viruz" (this isnt viruz) doesnt hack. I dont know that. how would i know that.
in review: yamon's ss request said the color of the player being requested, and lethal's response was "I don't have to take it, people know me." Request seems to be proper, user seems to think they don't have to follow the rules
babyshark's ss request just says "ss" vaguely and then an argument ensues, yamon from the jump says he wasnt even the one being asked, and then we have screenshots of swift who was in the game saying the request was NOT in fact meant for yamon to begin with and babyshark responding "evil giggle."
these arent equivalent
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and please try to keep your cool. do not accuse me of being friends with yamon. That is taking it too far with the personal attacks.
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I do not know "viruz" (this isnt viruz) doesnt hack. I dont know that. how would i know that.
in review: yamon's ss request said the color of the player being requested, and lethal's response was "I don't have to take it, people know me." Request seems to be proper, user seems to think they don't have to follow the rules
babyshark's ss request just says "ss" vaguely and then an argument ensues, yamon from the jump says he wasnt even the one being asked, and then we have screenshots of swift who was in the game saying the request was NOT in fact meant for yamon to begin with and babyshark responding "evil giggle."
these arent equivalent
well babyshark...
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKG07305CBs#)
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You are not understanding this simple thing. Yamons ss doesn't say lethal anywhere in it. Lethal could have been telling yamon just like yamon was *trolling* shark with his responses. His ss request was just as vague as hers which he outright said there was indeed a ss request and of course kyle is gonna try to keep yamon around so kyle can keep getting his dick sucked by such an insecure person like yamon. So how do we know that kyle didnt just pick and choose things to say to provoke a response out of babyshark? We all know kyle is a person that would try to pull something off like that for someone he is passionate about. So basically this all boils down to you banned lethal but are refusing to ban yamon who let me remind you has denied multiple ss in the past has a recorded history of hacking is a nuisance to all new players and disconnects on purpose. Just wanna make sure I have this clear so I can start denying every ss request from now on because the policies just don't seem to apply to everyone equally
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saying a color isnt vague, it's how people make ss requests basically half the time. lethal never denied being asked, and didn't do so on this forum either. it's straight forward open and shut. that's a case where i'll support a ban. i dont care that it was 2v1, just like i dont care that babyshark was a watcher.
this request on the other hand has been fought from the start and there are clear shortcomings in the request. claw has pulled the rules which show that people need to say a name or a color. people should always take a ss if they think they might be being asked and it's dumb as hell not to, because look at this shit that it's led to, but i don't want to ban someone when the situation is so murky.
i don't like yamon any more than lethal, and i dont really believe that you guys think i do. so please believe me when i say i dont see these as equivalent situations. also if this decision inspires a bunch of people to go out and ask people for ss and deny each other ss and to act like fools, that's unfortunate. we'll continue trying to fairly deal with issues case by case as they come up
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in review: yamon's ss request said the color of the player being requested, and lethal's response was "I don't have to take it, people know me." Request seems to be proper, user seems to think they don't have to follow the rules
babyshark's ss request just says "ss" vaguely and then an argument ensues, yamon from the jump says he wasnt even the one being asked, and then we have screenshots of swift who was in the game saying the request was NOT in fact meant for yamon to begin with and babyshark responding "evil giggle."
Ya, it's pretty clear that yamon is being a huge douche for reasons I don't understand, but there's enough ambiguity in this situation that banning him would be incorrect.
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You are not understanding this simple thing. Yamons ss doesn't say lethal anywhere in it. Lethal could have been telling yamon just like yamon was *trolling* shark with his responses. His ss request was just as vague as hers which he outright said there was indeed a ss request and of course kyle is gonna try to keep yamon around so kyle can keep getting his dick sucked by such an insecure person like yamon. So how do we know that kyle didnt just pick and choose things to say to provoke a response out of babyshark? We all know kyle is a person that would try to pull something off like that for someone he is passionate about. So basically this all boils down to you banned lethal but are refusing to ban yamon who let me remind you has denied multiple ss in the past has a recorded history of hacking is a nuisance to all new players and disconnects on purpose. Just wanna make sure I have this clear so I can start denying every ss request from now on because the policies just don't seem to apply to everyone equally
I am years past any odd shenanigans on this game. But even if I wasn't, I would never do something like what you're accusing me of.
Your close attachment to this ss request issue/thread has been evident for a while. Why do you care so much about it. And also for whatever reason, you are trying to drag my name in the mud without cause. You are obviously bias for some reason not disclosed, and most likely have some type of personal vendetta.
You've shown a lack of character, and that you're two-faced.
I don't care if Yamon gets banned. Not one bit. This isn't about him, it's about that "SS Request." I wouldn't have even chimed in on this SS request if there wasn't good reason to.
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Two faced? I already told you I don't like you. Your a scumbag.
And bid the ss policy when asking a player by color says u must ss the allies screen so thr player and color must be verified
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Two faced? I already told you I don't like you. Your a scumbag.
And bid the ss policy when asking a player by color says u must ss the allies screen so thr player and color must be verified
it be visible in the game report in case someone wants to argue, no?
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I was actually wondering about that earlier, are those correct? But either way Lethal did not try to say he wasn't being asked, he tried to go with the "people know me" defense, which I see some people agree with so I'll just post about that again. Like, BabyShark has said it repeatedly, that the injustice of this partly stems from the fact that we "know" Lethal doesn't hack. There is no way to really know what a player might be up to unless you're standing behind them or maybe if they're live streaming or something. Many people hacked for years and had friends go to bat for them repeatedly, only for them to end up getting caught red handed. It's sad, but what it teaches us if that even if we personally have faith in a person's honesty, they still need to follow the rules so that we can be certain about it.
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Two faced? I already told you I don't like you. Your a scumbag.
And bid the ss policy when asking a player by color says u must ss the allies screen so thr player and color must be verified
You're the one acting like a scum bag, and creating fables. Meanwhile, I am doing nothing but being helpful.
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Blid is mostly right in how he is viewing this situation per the rules. Lethal failed to take a ss and thus deserved the ban. He learned his lesson it seems and is now taking ss's. It would also help his case if he would have AH active. You shouldn't knowingly give people ammo if you are concerned about reputation.
The yamon being friends with admin shouldn't really be answered by Blid. Blid did not share pws with yamon. That is a question for Mouse to answer for. There is also Tora sharing pws with swift that muddies the situation. The problem is that admins should be above doing these things. This totally skews how situations like this are viewed. How can you expect people to reasonably react to situations when the admins themselves aren't being reasonable(except Blid). Saying "we were just trolling" isn't a legit response. That response is just brushing off the fact that you did something that admins should not be doing, sharing accounts.
Yamon does not deserve a ban for this as the 2 situations are not equal but there should be some sort of community warning issued to him for his continuous acts against the w2 community. There comes a time when you do have to weigh someone's true value to the community, be it negative or positive. How many years are you willing to let this go on?
You can point out that people are "losing their minds" but please don't stop your thought process there. Try to understand why. I'm fairly certain you guys know why this is as big as it is due to yamon's past. I'm sure the community wouldn't mind at least feeling like theres something that can be done when someone goes well beyond the line over and over. Perhaps, there is already a discussion going between the admins. We only know what we see in the public forums so even if you feel progress is being made, we have no idea other than what we read.
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and get your own name
I took SS of Van asking me for SS cuz I know the rules will apply to me but not to Yamon. :'(
this is a ss of you being banned from a game lol
Yeah I know its a fuckin ss of me being banned cuz the little pussy can't just admit that he lost like a newb, and once again I wont get another name or are you gonna ban me for having this aka too?? where does it say that in the rules (policies)
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It's not about the failing to take the ss Joe it's about the request itself. Neither one of the requests followed proper protocol. But lethal received his ban and yamon keeps flip flopping stories to avoid his.
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my reasoning "magically finding units" is something of a joke as well.
This doesn't help you.
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Swift regarding ltfan.
Anyone who cares about fairness on the server doesnt have character?
You have it hugely backwards. People who take the time to try to make the server a better place to be and to have fairness and no hacking arent the people with no character. The ones who promote unfairness and abuse are the ones lacking character. All users should be held to the same standards and rules. There should not be one set of rules for regular players and one for Yamon or anyone else.
I have nothing backwards. LTfan can have conversations about fairness without being a scum bag. He has decided not to.
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my reasoning "magically finding units" is something of a joke as well.
This doesn't help you.
It doesn't really hurt. I don't care much about people's motivations in asking, as long as they're not being abusive by spamming requests.
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my reasoning "magically finding units" is something of a joke as well.
This doesn't help you.
It doesn't really hurt. I don't care much about people's motivations in asking, as long as they're not being abusive by spamming requests.
If she is admitting to fabricating the part about Yamon "magically finding units", then that hurts her credibility. It brings into question what else she might have made up.
I'm not sure that is what she is saying though. Her post can be interpreted a few different ways.
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What posts are you talking about?
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That has already been covered a number of times.
The question that remains after realizing that there is no fairness on he server is whether one wants to continue to participate in such a community or to leave it.
To leave it would be to punish oneself if one is a regular enjoyer of the game. It would mean Yamon won in taking something I care about away from me. Not an appealing option.
To stay would require one to play very selectively with only known people and ban all smurfs. Also I know that Yamon and Swift and any of their sympathizers will do anything in their power to attack me. Even before this whole situation, in a 4v4 game we won, Yamon and Startale bsed me at the end of the game and swift just watched. My only crime was saying I dont like the way they treat other people, me being one of them. Just because I'm female should not give you the excuse to pour on your vilest sexual insults and disgusting comments, which by the way, in the real world is illegal and sexual harassment. This is not what men do. This is behavior for cowardly little boys who never had to grow up and who will never be the kind of man a woman could respect.
Either way, the community as a whole is the worse for it. 1. People know there is not fairness. 2. Whenever any average player leaves it's a loss. When people's friends leave, the game becomes less appealing for them as well. I know there are a number of players who come on mainly to play with me (me msging them on discord being the only times they come to server) and people like me who are nice people and want to have fun playing the game. I already know other players who have left because of unfairness on the server and I thought they were finding fault that I couldnt see. 3. All new players will suffer because no one wants to risk their game being ruined by hack/disc/bs so there will be no place for them anymore. 4. Abusive rage, hateful insults, racism, telling people to go kill themselves in real life etc., will continue to abound, making W2 probably the most toxic community any of us have regular dealings in.
I know I'm going to be a target now. I hope Swift and Yamon aren't deranged enough to try to kill me in real life but who knows. Swift already eliminated me in a game when normally once killed, players are allowed to watch.
Obviously he thinks I need to be "punished" for daring to fight the status quo. Because getting hacked against, disced on, bsed, banned from games, eliminated, insulted based on gender, etc. isn't enough. I was supposed to be a good girl and take it quietly. Come and kill me in real life if you have to, I know you have the resources for it. But someone has to stand up for something, enough is enough. Yamon's reign of terror has gone on far too long.
each paragraph gets funnier
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up until the last two paragraphs I actually follow along with it pretty well. And if BabyShark wants to play with her friends and have fun it's a dick move to join her games and try to ruin it or mess with her or insutl her. The last couple paragraphs about being murdered are a little out there?
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BS starting to sound like Eq
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BabyShark, I don't harass / bs you at all. Stop grouping me with what yamon/startale did or did not do.
I do believe you tried to frame Yamon, because you feel he rudely/unfairly targeted your husband or whatever.
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That has already been covered a number of times.
The question that remains after realizing that there is no fairness on he server is whether one wants to continue to participate in such a community or to leave it.
To leave it would be to punish oneself if one is a regular enjoyer of the game. It would mean Yamon won in taking something I care about away from me. Not an appealing option.
To stay would require one to play very selectively with only known people and ban all smurfs. Also I know that Yamon and Swift and any of their sympathizers will do anything in their power to attack me. Even before this whole situation, in a 4v4 game we won, Yamon and Startale bsed me at the end of the game and swift just watched. My only crime was saying I dont like the way they treat other people, me being one of them. Just because I'm female should not give you the excuse to pour on your vilest sexual insults and disgusting comments, which by the way, in the real world is illegal and sexual harassment. This is not what men do. This is behavior for cowardly little boys who never had to grow up and who will never be the kind of man a woman could respect.
Either way, the community as a whole is the worse for it. 1. People know there is not fairness. 2. Whenever any average player leaves it's a loss. When people's friends leave, the game becomes less appealing for them as well. I know there are a number of players who come on mainly to play with me (me msging them on discord being the only times they come to server) and people like me who are nice people and want to have fun playing the game. I already know other players who have left because of unfairness on the server and I thought they were finding fault that I couldnt see. 3. All new players will suffer because no one wants to risk their game being ruined by hack/disc/bs so there will be no place for them anymore. 4. Abusive rage, hateful insults, racism, telling people to go kill themselves in real life etc., will continue to abound, making W2 probably the most toxic community any of us have regular dealings in.
I know I'm going to be a target now. I hope Swift and Yamon aren't deranged enough to try to kill me in real life but who knows. Swift already eliminated me in a game when normally once killed, players are allowed to watch.
Obviously he thinks I need to be "punished" for daring to fight the status quo. Because getting hacked against, disced on, bsed, banned from games, eliminated, insulted based on gender, etc. isn't enough. I was supposed to be a good girl and take it quietly. Come and kill me in real life if you have to, I know you have the resources for it. But someone has to stand up for something, enough is enough. Yamon's reign of terror has gone on far too long.
I bsed braviet few days ago when we was playing 4x4, he didnt male topic
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"magically finding units"
So Eye of Kilrog Or Holy Vision? They are magic!
BS starting to sound like Eq
Now now, i wouldn't go that far
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thing is, yamon said "ss WHITE". why are you idiots (ltfan, lethal~viruz) missing that part? thats entirely what this thread is about lol
i enjoy reading this thread, because theres at least 60% of retards here
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Yes I'm retarded because I'd like the rules to be for everyone and not just for some. Once again I repeat to you kind people that can't read. The rules officially state that if u request ss by color you must take ss of allies screen to verify the player is indeed that color. Anything else can't be trusted because then it's all just word of mouth and if that's not good enough for this situation than It shouldn't have been good enough for lethal either. So if ud like to continue calling me a retard for having actually read the rules than go for it.
'3. You can also click on “Allies” in the top right corner and take a screenshot of the window showing players and their unit colors.
This step is necessary if there are other players in the game and you address your screenshot request to the other user based on alignment color, e.g. by saying “ss orange”. This proves that the user in question was actually the orange player at the time you made your request.'
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So what are you proposing Blid actually do about it? That fake Viruz guy has already completed his one week ban. Blid can't go back in time, that technology hasn't been invented yet. WTF.
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Yamon must serve some sort of justice for this debacle seeing that he has clearly stated in this thread that there was indeed a SS request. He just didnt take it seriously. No need to go back in time when everything can be rectified now by taking this situation and doing what needs to be done. No one wants to ban people I GET IT. But everyone here sees this situation as a 'grey area' when it has been clearly stated in this thread that yamon has changed his story on this SS 3 times since this has started. First it wasnt a serious request, then she never requested a SS from HIM specifically, then there was never a SS request. We have SS's of him saying HE WONT BE BANNED for this. He knew what was going on and hes just trolling away with it like he can cuz theres no 'verification' that he was asked just late SS's of him arguing with her and saying he wont be banned.
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You are making a completely different argument now. You are essentially saying you believe Yamon is lying when he has repeatedly said it wasn't clear in the game who the screenshot request was for. That's fine, you're welcome to believe that, and frankly, I think it's possible you might be right. However, what you and I think is true doesn't really matter. What matters is there isn't any way to be sure, and frankly I'd rather have admins that don't go around banning people just because they "think" there might be a problem. They need to be sure and that's the way it should be.
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So what are you proposing Blid actually do about it? That fake Viruz guy has already completed his one week ban. Blid can't go back in time, that technology hasn't been invented yet. WTF.
I guess in a case like that, the admins should publicly apologize for their mistake.
Mistakes are normal to occur, and it takes great character for a person to admit a mistake and apologize. That is a respectful action.
Related with the case here, it has been established that the Admins have not enough evidence to ban Orochimaru... I think we can stop spending energy around that.
But I also believe that whatever credibility had remain to Yamon has been completely lost now.
Yamon will have to work hard to regain even a bit of respect from many players.
He could have behaved like a man, and admit he refused to take an ss (like Lethal~Viruz did) suffer the consequences and been seen as a person that takes responsibility for his actions.
But no, he chose to dodge. He chose to lie and behave like ...
So now, he will suffer different consequences from the players.
I would like to also state, that I do not like people attacking the admins. The admins are people that devote personal time to provide us the forum/web site/server/tournaments etc.
Yes, they are HUMAN and will make mistakes. But that is no reason for people to attack them. They do work for us for the community and ask nothing in return!
So please respect them and thank them when the do something for the group!
Yes, it is okay to point out their mistakes! But do not attack the admins! They are only trying to make it better not worse.
Cheers
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a mistake wasn't made in the Lethal~Viruz case. If someone shows a ss of them saying "ss color" + a /ping then it's true a ss of the allies windows is needed to verify who's being asked, but it also kind of assumes that whoever refused to take ss is denying that they were asked. No one ever contested that Lethal~viruz was in that game & was the one being asked, it was confirmed many times by different people right off the bat, so why obsess over that technicality when it's obviously only there to add some clarity & not serve as a substitute for rational thought?
I also already addressed the mousey/yamon friendship argument, it's purely a red herring: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3212.msg52924.html#msg52924 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3212.msg52924.html#msg52924) The only thing letting yamon log on my account a few times indicates is that I let a friend log onto my account a few times, not that he's getting any kind of special treatment. (it was a gaming account only so he had no admin powers ofc) It's just as easy to argue that bs & Ltfan are so vehemently on Lethal~viruz's side only because they're friends with him, but that's conjecture too. I advocate sticking to facts which is all I've done in this thread!
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It was confirmed by many people in a game with 4 people in it and 2 of them being lethal and yamon? Lol and u can't make assumptions as an administrator since that's what I'm being told in here. There was a lack of physical evidence for banning lethal and there's a lack of physical evidence for banning yamon but yet one received the ban and the other didnt.
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It was confirmed by many people in a game with 4 people in it and 2 of them being lethal and yamon? Lol and u can't make assumptions as an administrator since that's what I'm being told in here. There was a lack of physical evidence for banning lethal and there's a lack of physical evidence for banning yamon but yet one received the ban and the other didnt.
i don't know what you're going on about. First of all this argument that I "changed my story 3 times" is wrong. I never retracted anything i said since this beginning of this thread or did any sort of circular logic. I simply remembered facts of what had occurred in that game and stated them one after another. I never changed my story once. And what "evidence" are you talking about? a few vague ss's. What other evidence?
You act like you are working in the best interest of the server and babyshark/lethal. But you have 70 posts, on a forum with countless of issues on the server. Where are you fighting for fairness on those threads? Is it not obvious that you have an agenda with motivation via bias towards me.
I admit to bsing, trolling, killing watchers, ruining chop games. But even then that's over a span of a 13 year career. I'm not even currently an active player. And I've been banned ONCE for ONE day for not finding an SS that was invisible in my war2 combat folder, then posted it the next day and got unbanned. So this "shady past" you're talking about, i don't even know what you're referring to.
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There was a ss request there was no ss request u were just trolling her ss request. And the only reason I fight so hard on this topic is because it's ridiculous that lethal gets banned for not taking a ss eith lack of evidence u actually requested a ss from him. But u don't get banned for the same thing. Forget about all your nonsense on the server if this was happening to any one else right now I'd be doing the same thing. There's only 1 person on this game I the rule would like to see banned forever and that's Gemini for his 25 ss denials over the last 6 years. I honestly don't care if you get banned or not I would prefer that the admins who made a ruling with lack of evidence against lethal sit down and say hmm did we make a mistake doing that? Was lethal trolling? Did anyone sit down with him and have a conversation that wasn't on the forums? Instead we all just assume that no one on the Internet lies and that it was indeed lethal that had been requested to take a ss. And fair point I gotta say I don't really give a shit about the server seeing as I barely log in anymore and usually when I do its just to chat. So I couldn't really care about most of the issues like icons and who desperately wants the next master tags because it's not important at all.
Dude u just got banned last year for denying a ss to dna-cell... but ur ban got cut short when u came on her and begged to be unbanned and promised to ss from now on
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There was a ss request there was no ss request u were just trolling her ss request. And the only reason I fight so hard on this topic is because it's ridiculous that lethal gets banned for not taking a ss eith lack of evidence u actually requested a ss from him. But u don't get banned for the same thing. Forget about all your nonsense on the server if this was happening to any one else right now I'd be doing the same thing. There's only 1 person on this game I the rule would like to see banned forever and that's Gemini for his 25 ss denials over the last 6 years. I honestly don't care if you get banned or not I would prefer that the admins who made a ruling with lack of evidence against lethal sit down and say hmm did we make a mistake doing that? Was lethal trolling? Did anyone sit down with him and have a conversation that wasn't on the forums? Instead we all just assume that no one on the Internet lies and that it was indeed lethal that had been requested to take a ss. And fair point I gotta say I don't really give a shit about the server seeing as I barely log in anymore and usually when I do its just to chat. So I couldn't really care about most of the issues like icons and who desperately wants the next master tags because it's not important at all.
Dude u just got banned last year for denying a ss to dna-cell... but ur ban got cut short when u came on her and begged to be unbanned and promised to ss from now on
I don't even remember denying an ss to dna-cell. But if that's the case, then yes i would presume my integrity would be in question. But you have to understand, I've posted thousands of ss's, and i would of taken one for babyshark had i known i was even being asked. I stream 99% of my games and you can go to twitch.tv/masteryamon121 and see that I do. But the burden of evidence on babyshark is crystal clear. Lethal addressed the SS request because he knows i asked him for an ss. It's really that simple. Because i responded to her in general, doesn't mean i was even paying attention to what she was saying. Claw already made the point, that the first guy that responds shouldn't be responsible. There was absolutely no hint at all that i was being accused until she responded to me at the very last second. And even then it wasn't clear who she was accusing. That's what i've been saying the whole time. Obviously if you want an ss you have to use English to get it. You can't flap your arms around and make gurgling sounds and expect people to understand what you're saying. Had the game even been paused longer for 1.5 seconds i most likely would of took one. That's also a point I made, I didn't unpause the game either. I didn't even know i was being accused at all until Long after this thread was made, and a friend messaged me on facebook about it.
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but ur ban got cut short when u came on her and begged to be unbanned and promised to ss from now on
Yamon offering sexual favors to circumvent server rules now? The plot thickens...
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but ur ban got cut short when u came on her and begged to be unbanned and promised to ss from now on
Yamon offering sexual favors to circumvent server rules now? The plot thickens...
U want test it?:-P