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Messages - marx was right

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If a pilot crashes a jet plane and then the plane is damaged, that doesn't prove that the jet plane wasn't amazingly designed.

human body that you say was created by the infallible god vs a jet designed by fallible humans isn't really an apt comparison.

some flaws of the body i am referring to:  our use of the pharynx for both ingesting as well respiration. this can and has led to choking if we aren't careful.

extremely narrow birth canals on women, leading to tremendous pain. previously a leading cause of death for women was giving birth, improvements in medicine fixed this.

the blind spot in our vision (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_spot_%28vision%29)

so you probably want to be careful with this argument, you are indeed unwittingly claiming god is fallible when linking the greatness of god with the human body, that is far from the perfect machine you believe.

Of course I don't very much buy this argument either; that's not quite what Marx said (he framed religion as a reaction from oppression, not a contribution toward oppression).

yea. there's no contradiction to what i said, paradise is a significant idea of the oppressed. the issue arises when you start believing it so deeply that you stop caring about the real world.

It is not true that Christians are passive about real world issues.
that's true. there are communist christians.

If you look at the amazing design of the human body, however, it is anything but random or accidental.

It's a beautifully designed machine that is so much more than a machine. From the complexity of a single cell, to the wonder of the functioning of every organ and system, to the jaw-dropping enigma which is the human brain, we are indeed, as the Bible states, fearfully and wonderfully made!!

anyone who studies biology is probably in awe of the human body, but also understands its numerous flaws. when you make this argument, you are acknowledging god makes mistakes - and this isn't even touching on the subject of birth defects, genetic abnormalities and such. maybe you'll then make the argument that they weren't mistakes but purposefully done for reasons only god knows, but then it's disturbing to believe god would curse a child with leukemia or another abhorrent torturous disease.

this demonstrates well why karl marx called religion the "opiate of the masses".  it seems dangerous to think this way because it keeps to passive to real world issues. "yea sure the world is being destroyed but who cares, we'll be in paradise after we die." all the while the bourgeoisie laughs while they are already living in paradise on earth. in the end there was never any heaven or hell, no afterlife at all.

your rotting corpse helps a tree grow.

and what the hell is paradise? that's the most Utopian garbage idea of all time.
Paradise can be anything.  If you can imagine a god, surely you can imagine a paradise.  It's funny that you're so profoundly atheist that you can't even say it would be cool if there was a heaven, and a god, and the god has a big white beard and he's chilling up in the clouds flanked by angels playing harps, but the harps are metal as fuck, and everyone is overcome with love and joy or whatever.

of course the idea of living in a paradise is good. you can invent all sorts of ideas in your head that would be cool. but that's all it is , ideas. and the idea of paradise is so absurdly fantastical it borders on mental illness to believe in it. there's no universal idea of paradise, people would have their own ideas of what paradise is. women's ideas of paradise would differ from men's. an adult's would differ from a child's etc.. there are depictions of paradise where milk flows like waterfalls, but how the hell is that paradise to lactose intolerant people or someone who just hates milk? it's a vague fantasy. and why would a god responsible to letting capitalism run rampant on the garbage earth be the one to spawn it?

your rotting corpse helps a tree grow.

and what the hell is paradise? that's the most Utopian garbage idea of all time.

I consider myself a hopeful agnostic. I don't believe in God, but I would like to. I would love to be able to convince myself that God exists

why? doesn't seem like something to be excited over, more disturbing than anything. god is letting the earth slowly degenerate to capitalists and capitalism.

7) General Discussion / Re: anti-capitalism thread
« on: Today at 10:35:46 AM »

8) General Discussion / Re: Hurricane [s]Harvy[/s] IRMA
« on: Today at 10:24:38 AM »
all your threads belong in wasteland, not worthy of serious thought.

9) Flame Wars & Offtopic / Re: the mystery of violence in st.louis
« on: Today at 10:17:42 AM »
kys garbage retard, your thread got nuked into wasteland

what about posting crappy youtube videos as substitute for actually arguing anything yourself, like tora does

11) General Discussion / Re: Hurricane [s]Harvy[/s] IRMA
« on: September 18, 2017, 02:10:26 PM »
zero relevance

13) General Discussion / Re: Hurricane [s]Harvy[/s] IRMA
« on: September 18, 2017, 01:33:33 PM »
Most regulation stifles business growth which in turn slows job creation.

most regulation is necessary and there's no such thing as a free market.

14) General Discussion / Re: Hurricane [s]Harvy[/s] IRMA
« on: September 18, 2017, 11:33:04 AM »
capitalism prioritizes short term profits over life itself.

You think all business owners are rich or something?

if you can't afford basic safety precautions you shouldn't be owning a business in the first place.

15) General Discussion / Re: Hurricane [s]Harvy[/s] IRMA
« on: September 18, 2017, 10:50:23 AM »
capitalism prioritizes short term profits over life itself.

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