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Title: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EF_GameBot on August 25, 2015, 01:13:13 PM
3. The 'command' hostbot is doing great I believe, anyone 'can' host. However, I would add a constant autohosting bot, with game name like "New players welcome", hosting compstomps such as 2v2, because...

This is incorrect.  For those that havent noticed already,  the GameBot has been disabled by {Lance} and will no longer function until Burnt is removed as a War2 AND Form Admin.  Burnt came online Sunday and out of the blue, banned 3 people (one of them being Lance,  the others were Ryu and Ganz).  The reasonings Burnt gave for banning Lance are based on incidents that happened over SEVEN years ago.  Burnt got all butthurt that Lance stated some facts involving burnt in a thread, and because of that (note, these were facts,  not hallucinations like he wants people to believe),  he got all up in a hissyfit and banned 3 people for reasons which ALL of the current Admin team disagree upon.  Blid, iL, and Mousetopher all agree that the ban was uncalled for and incorrect.  Yet NONE of them have the balls to fix the problem.  So,  until Burnt is removed (since he's the problem),  I will no longer allow anyone other than myself to use my bot.  I released the sourcecode for it, and not a few days later,  Burnt mysteriously bans me from EVERYTHING.  Ya,  this is what you have to look forward to on War2.ru.

Against my own recommendations and wants,  I AM going to be bringing War2.us back.  The only way to stop such a stupid idea is to remove Burnt as an admin.  It's that simple.  If they dont have the balls to remove him.  Then I will (if people decide to make the jump of course).  Besides, he does not need admin capabilities for ANYTHING he does.  Period.  He can do just as much without and admin account, as he does without it.  The only difference,  he cant fuck up good things for War2 like he has done so often in the past and as recently as this week.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 25, 2015, 01:20:26 PM
Burnt came online Sunday and out of the blue, banned 3 people (one of them being Lance,  the others were Ryu and Ganz)

I see, I didnt know that. Im surprised you havent created a new thread about it.
And all that just when things were getting a little brighter around here, huh...
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EF_GameBot on August 25, 2015, 01:23:01 PM
Oh I have created a lot of threads about it.  But Burnt keeps deleting them all.  But he cant stop them all.  Eventually someone (like you) is going to read it and then will be able to tell the masses what is REALLY going on behind the scenes that Burnt doesnt want anyone to know about.  This is how he treats people who contribute.  Anyone that releases ANYTHING worth a shit, gets slapped with this type of behavior.  He's done this in the past, and he's doing it again.  I dont care what excuses he comes up with as an excuse,  the timing WAS NOT a coincidence in my eyes and it never will be.  It was deliberate and completely asshole'ish.  He'll eventually delete this one as well, and ban this account.  But the shit is slowly starting to hit the fan and theres not a fucking thing he can do about it.  I always come through on my promises,  and this,  I promise you, IS coming to light.  War2.us will be revived and it will NOT include Burnt in any administrative role.  It wont have any of the server issues that have been plaguing this place for so long,  etc etc yadda yadda.  I dont need to advertise it.  People already know what I'm capable of doing.  The problem is not doing it.  The problem is getting people to leave this place if they continue to allow burnt to run it into the ground.

And to think, all iL and company has to do,  is simply GROW A PAIR and remove the cancer from their admin team and none of this non-sense would even be going down.  If they remove him,  I'll stop war2.us (which will cause a split),  and I'll continue to work on the bot as well as the other items I had plans to do with iL.  But until then.  FUCK YOU BURNT.  Funny,  I've been talking about how he does this type of stuff for like the past couple months because people kept asking me to restart War2.us,  and guess what the reason I gave was?  I gave BURNT as the reason for not doing so because doing any development with him on the team IS POINTLESS.  He always fucks it up.  But I took a chance anyway and developed the bot and guess what happened.  Well............. here you go,  perfect example of Burnt in all his brilliance in action, fucking shit up.  This is why I CONSTANTLY say that doing any development at ALL for war2 is completely useless because the Admin RU group will find a way to fuck it up and it's always because of Burnt.  Every. Single.  Time.  For some ungodly reason,  iL,  Blid, and Mousetopher are scared shitless of Burnt.  WTF is he going to do?  Run off and start a server of his own?  Code a new client?  Fuck ya right.  He's lucky he can even figure out how to turn on the computer let alone produce anything worth a shit.  All he brings to the table is ONE FUCKING DAY PER YEAR.  Thats it.  And thats nothing that anyone else couldnt do.  Example:  Look at the pBall tourneys happening around here.  Was that Burnt?  Fuck no it wasnt.  Any clown can do what Burnt does.  RU DOES NOT NEED BURNT in it's admin team.  Period.  I have been supporting iL for as long as I could,  but this Burnt shit is forcing me to vacate that position and its not something I want to do either.  But I am being forced,  so,  fuck it.  I'll do it god damnit.

So yea,  I am EXTREMELY pissed off.  I came on the forums this past Sunday to post some new updates to the bot source only to find I was banned.  Thats some way to treat contributors lemme tell ya.  I should have just took my own advice and NOT contributed anything because all the will ALWAYS turn out to be completely pointless and now you can all see why.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Delete mine too on August 25, 2015, 01:32:58 PM
Burnt came online Sunday and out of the blue, banned 3 people (one of them being Lance,  the others were Ryu and Ganz)

I see, I didnt know that. Im surprised you havent created a new thread about it.
And all that just when things were getting a little brighter around here, huh...

Didn't know either.....
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 25, 2015, 01:40:28 PM
The main argument against war2.us (and its possible revival) were all the shadow bans that happened in the past. But if things are handled the same way on .ru, that will leave many people confused... especially since these things are happening on .ru RIGHT NOW while it's your distant past and things may have changed.

Ganz doesn't even play so it's irrelevant, you were forgiven and cleansed and ryu? Sure, his forum activity is bullshit, but none of the bans (from the SERVER) was necessary. Meanwhile martin18 (on his bennih account, anyone active would know) still walks free with some games under his belt while rage, unfair bans are happening.

So, did everyone from the admin staff know and did nothing about it?
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EF_GameBot on August 25, 2015, 01:45:34 PM
They all know,  I've spoken to Blid and iL and both of them informed me that they are AGAINST what Burnt did,  but both specifically stated they would NOT "go against burnt".  Supposedly there are lots of threads about it in the Admin forums section, but I cant substantiate any of that since I cant see it for myself.  I've not yet spoken to Mousetopher because she has not replied to anything I sent her.  I think she is in the same boat,  scared shitless of Burnt.  I'd even consider working with Her server instead of starting war2.us,  but she wont reply, so I cant offer that :/

And yes "shadow bans" happen on RU ALOT.  Most, if not all of them come from Burnt and no one ever hears about them.  He also assumed I did the same thing when I hosted it,  but the only person I ever banned was Mage (for not posting a SS) and Burnt (for being a complete asshole like we are witnessing right now).  If I were iL I would have cut Burnts admin balls so fast that even burger king would not have time to make a whopper out of it.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: mousEtopher on August 25, 2015, 01:51:40 PM
We all disagree with his methods -- making snap judgements in the heat of the moment isn't a good thing. I don't disagree with banning Ryu and Ganz though. You could say that they "should" have been given some kind of penultimate preban warning, but really, how courteous are we obligated to be to people who are themselves so blatantly discourteous? Our current "rules" are lenient to the point of uselessness, they allow for people to spew infinite amounts of shit and tension just keeps building and building, 'til someone finally had enough and made the common sense decision.

In your case Lance, I wouldn't downplay the fact that you were probably provoking him. If Burnt needs to stop overreacting to ancient history, why can't you just let sleeping dogs lie? Admins aren't ignoring it, just trying to defuse the situation on both sides to avoid losing two valuable players. To be honest, your ultimatum that Burnt be demoted and Burnt's ultimatum that you be banned is just a gigantic pissing contest. You both need to chill out, stop talking shit, leave each other alone and focus on doing what you do.

Ganz doesn't even play so it's irrelevant, you were forgiven and cleansed and ryu? Sure, his forum activity is bullshit, but none of the bans (from the SERVER) was necessary. Meanwhile martin18 (on his bennih account, anyone active would know) still walks free with some games under his belt while rage, unfair bans are happening.

To be fair there's a lot of history here, and that does factor in. I honestly don't know any of the details, but I think everyone agrees that Lance did do some heinous shit back in the day and isn't some misrepresented saint. It sounds more like if USA-archer came back in a couple years, started coding some stuff, and after a while we got into it and I banned him.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 25, 2015, 02:14:49 PM
Well of course iL doesn't agree with the ban, but it's as obvious as the fact that he will do NOTHING about it. iL's lack of balls and conformism shows in every post of his. Mousetopher's main focus is the forum I believe, which leaves blid. I actually mentioned it in one of the older posts that blid's feature making him useful is the ability to make the tough calls when they need to be made, because he's experienced and (mostly) respects the rules and knows the game inside out. Blid, all eyes on you, lil fellow!

source: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,768.msg10702.html#msg10702 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,768.msg10702.html#msg10702)
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EF_GameBot on August 25, 2015, 02:20:08 PM
In your case Lance, I wouldn't downplay the fact that you were probably provoking him.

Lest we all forget the CONTEXT in which I was speaking.  I was defending myself from attacks against me in a thread that I didnt even create that wanted me to start war2.us in.  I simply stated FACTS and point out that BURNT HIMSELF admitted to in a thread long ago on the old War2 forums.  Now for whatever reason, he's saying that the thread he made was all lies?  Is that it?  Now he wants to rescind his own confessions of the past?  Because if that's the problem, then he needs to come right out and say it "I lied..... again".  Like I'd believe a word he says anyway.  He has you all so wrapped up in his lies that you actually believe everything he says without question.  The only real "ding" against me is that I DID use a pw to gain access to the admin forums once to ban GhostNuke (something most people didnt really mind back then anyway and thought it was funny lol) and I did retaliate against Picka, FooNat by bringing in the FBI (that might have been overboard since picka ended up in Denver never to be heard from again, and IDK wtf happened to FooNat, I think they let him go,  all over some bullshit story that Picka and Burnt dreamed up to try to fuck me over,  ya I popped that pimple in a hurry), and I did contact Archers dad, etc etc.  Those are all things we all know I did.  Whats the common thread with them all?  They are all attacks against me.  Not things I started myself.  The rest of the shit going around,  it's all garbage concocted by Picka and/or Burnt.  When I pointed that fact out,  I guess Burnt got his panties in a fuckin wad over absolutely NOTHING.

Ya whatever.  Fuck you Burnt,  I've had enough of your shit.  And this is NO "pissing match".  As far as I'm concerned,  its common sense.  If he gets in the way,  then I'll do my own thing.  Simple as that.  No piss required.  I cant even use my own code without hiding?  WTF kind of bullshit is that.  No,  fuck that.  I'll fucking make my own damn server where I dont have to worry about idiots like Burnt fucking with my ability to use MY OWN WORK.  Thats not a pissing match.  Thats just common fucking sense.  I am pretty mega pissed over this shit,  and for good reason.  I put some good time into the bot refactoring when I KNEW I shouldnt have lifted a fucking finger.  Just ask iL/Ryu/Tupac about how well it was coded.  They all commented on it.  I am just as pissed at Burnt as I am at myself for being stupid enough to not take my own advice (which is to NEVER code anything for RU.  EVER.  Under any circumstances for it will be a wasted effort).

And where does this "Losing 2 good players" mindset come from?  War2 is not "losing" anything other than Burnt as an admin which is not a Loss to begin with, it's a gain.  I'm not going away any time soon.  No.  I'll be improving War2 just like I have been.  It just wouldnt be under the RU "flag" I guess you could call it (unless they get rid of burnt of course).  So war2 isnt "losing" anything.  It's GAINING from my decisions.  Burnt does NOT need to be an admin to host tourneys just like everyone else.  He does NOT NEED to be an admin.  You are looking at it all backwards.

I am NOT angry with you Mousetopher btw.  But you're on the wrong team, so I have no choice but to lump you into the same group as Burnt.  Would you like to fix that problem?  I'd work with you OR iL,  but never with Burnt.  Do you have the nads to cut Burnt out of the equation? 

I do.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 25, 2015, 02:32:26 PM
and I did contact Archers dad
No problem there, I was already looking up his employer site to screw him over, but I was waiting for the evidence of the DDoS. Well, the attacks have stopped after little, poor archer fucked off, so... good call by you :P

The rest of the shit going around,  it's all garbage concocted by Picka and/or Burnt.
Well, you forgot about a major thing - fucking up with the_G0ds sister, bringing her to tears and stuff. Low blow if you ask me.
Also let's not forget the famous 'caught at mcdonalds' thread where you produced page-long essays full of lies, as was proven later on in that thread. Come on, don't present yourself as a Saint Mary that likes revenge with quotes like "They are all attacks against me.", nobody's saint here!

edit: but obviously I am all against the bans that took place, especially on the server and I hope some action will be taken. This is the shit we don't really need. I think burnt should end up with a final warning and ~~1 month suspension of his admin powers (next violation = no admin at all), that's a good middleground.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EF_GameBot on August 25, 2015, 02:39:30 PM
Well, you forgot about a major thing - fucking up with the_G0ds sister, bringing her to tears and stuff. Low blow if you ask me.
Also let's not forget the famous 'caught at mcdonalds' thread where you produced page-long essays full of lies, as was proven later on in that thread. Come on, don't present yourself as a Saint Mary that likes revenge with quotes like "They are all attacks against me.", nobody's saint here!

edit: but obviously I am all against the bans that took place, especially on the server and I hope some action will be taken. This is the shit we don't really need. I think burnt should end up with a final warning and ~~1 month suspension of his admin powers (next violation = no admin at all), that's a good middleground.

Hmm,  Claw has a point.  I did have an instance where I was instigator.  When Swift asked me for SS in a game we were watching.  Good call there.  As for Dugz,  he had it comin,  he threatened me with the exact same thing, so I beat him to the punch.

Claw 1
Lance 0 in the "he's innocent" dept.

I guess me not being a saint doesnt bode well for Burnt's cause ;)  He should probably pick on someone that IS a saint maybe that wont retaliate?  hahah.  I crack me up.

As for your proposal though.  I couldnt agree to such terms personally because it would go against my own advice.  NEVER code anything for RU for as long as Burnt and LDir control the domain/decisions, etc.  I believe Ldir has long since been eliminated (well, more like replaced) by iL (something I am very glad happened)  and that leaves just Burnt to go.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: mousEtopher on August 25, 2015, 03:20:16 PM
edit: but obviously I am all against the bans that took place, especially on the server and I hope some action will be taken. This is the shit we don't really need. I think burnt should end up with a final warning and ~~1 month suspension of his admin powers (next violation = no admin at all), that's a good middleground.

That seems reasonable, but I think we all know it would be a wash. Burnt's just as pissed as Lance is; question his decision (let alone punish him for it) and it's going to be TK all over again. I like Burnt, everyone benefits from his contributions and commitment, and I appreciate the frustration of having to deal with someone you have bad blood with on an ongoing basis, but I do have to side with Lance here. He didn't do anything out of line, he's been in good standing for a long time now, banning him based on a personal grudge is wrong and should be reversed. And aside from being biased, this decision is actively harming the server because the hostbot's down, which he had to know was going to happen. What's really needed is for Burnt to take the high road.

I am NOT angry with you Mousetopher btw.  But you're on the wrong team, so I have no choice but to lump you into the same group as Burnt.  Would you like to fix that problem?  I'd work with you OR iL,  but never with Burnt.  Do you have the nads to cut Burnt out of the equation? 

I really like the idea of working on server enhancements in collaborative open source environment, like you talked about here (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,1309.msg20989.html#msg20989). This would ideally be everyone with programming know-how contributing to one master project, not people splitting off into individual factions. I think it's a pipedream though, since no one trusts/wants to work with anyone else. :P
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 25, 2015, 03:29:04 PM
This is the shit we don't really need. I think burnt should end up with a final warning and ~~1 month suspension of his admin powers (next violation = no admin at all), that's a good middleground.
A suspension?  He doesn't want to be involved if these people are here, period.

A few times Burnt has come in here and banned people without an officially approved reason and without checking with anyone.  You can make the case that it's like a rain coming in to wash the trash away.  Already the forums are much better without Ganz and Ryu here.  And if we were a community that didn't have specific rules that people are supposed to follow, then banning the problem people would be fine.  That's another way to run a community.  No specific rules, but if we judge you have stepped out of line, we can take action as we see fit.  However, since we do have all these rules posted, I feel like that's kind of a promise by us to moderate by those rules and not ad hoc. 

If we were to switch moderation modes, then, Claw, I'll immediately be dishing out warnings whenever you say "nigger" regardless of what the poll says.  But anyway, I would reinstate Ganz and Ryu even if we are changing how we moderate, even if it means they're rebanned in short order.

I don't believe or agree with anything Lance says about that fight in the past, and it really bothered me when he gave his version that I believe to be lies/delusions.  It bothered Burnt too, which is why the ban happened.  But that's not smart management imo.  Lance has his version and I don't like it but it's so much better to just leave that past in the past, if, in the present, Lance is playing clean games, contributing to the server, and so on.  Burnt's question is why did Lance ever get unbanned in the first place and I don't really know, but given that he's been a positive member of the community for awhile I don't think banning him is productive.

I apologize to the banned players because, right now, my first priority is to keep everyone together and happy and I don't want to give up on that yet.  If all attempts at that are exhausted then it will be time to consider other alternatives.  In iL's eyes, Burnt is still the leader, so I don't know for sure what alternatives would be available.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 25, 2015, 03:40:22 PM
And what, if I say justifying random, rage bans is wrong and I have to support lance here, I will be banned too? And everyone will be okay with it? I really can't blame lance for starting his own server, especially given the circumstances - he just released a solid piece of work, open source, and was hosting a hostbot for ru.

Martin18 keeps playing while you're banning the host bots for fucks sake.

And what are you blathering about? Some stealth switching moderation rules? If so, just SAY it, ANNOUNCE. And then make the bans public - you have nothing to hide. Why the hell are you saying it's acceptable to ban a bunch of people and cover it up? There's really one good course of action here, but I already see you won't take it.

You will do your thing, lance will do his, and I'm afraid I'll have to side with him for the first time in my life.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 25, 2015, 03:47:41 PM
I don't think you processed my post correctly.  Take some more time with it.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 25, 2015, 03:56:18 PM
I don't think you processed my post correctly.  Take some more time with it.


I appreciate burnt's work, had some convos with him on facebook. I didn't care that he absolutely ignored all forms of communication and the polls regarding the icons and just went ahead and assigned one to each of his clan members. It was okay. I didn't care that he announced $$ tournaments and then didn't show up or say a word about it, making me look like a fool because I already set up the facebook events.

But I do care about this kind of crap, it's basically the opposite of what "war2ru" was supposed to be like. With this kind of shit around - shadowbans and deletion of the inconvenient posts - this is nothing but old war2custom, but with lazy moderation and slow progress. The choice is simple
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 25, 2015, 03:58:51 PM
No, I think you're seriously missing some of the key points of my previous post, such as

I would reinstate Ganz and Ryu even if we are changing how we moderate, even if it means they're rebanned in short order.
Lance has his version and I don't like it but it's so much better to just leave that past in the past, if, in the present, Lance is playing clean games, contributing to the server, and so on.  Burnt's question is why did Lance ever get unbanned in the first place and I don't really know, but given that he's been a positive member of the community for awhile I don't think banning him is productive.
^Clearly I'm against all these bans.

I apologize to the banned players because, right now, my first priority is to keep everyone together and happy and I don't want to give up on that yet.  If all attempts at that are exhausted then it will be time to consider other alternatives.
^Ready for other alternatives if Burnt can't be brought on the same page.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 25, 2015, 04:01:18 PM
And what are you blathering about? Some stealth switching moderation rules? If so, just SAY it, ANNOUNCE.
And you say this^

I literally said the exact same thing vvvv
if we were a community that didn't have specific rules that people are supposed to follow, then banning the problem people would be fine.  That's another way to run a community.  No specific rules, but if we judge you have stepped out of line, we can take action as we see fit.  However, since we do have all these rules posted, I feel like that's kind of a promise by us to moderate by those rules and not ad hoc. 
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 25, 2015, 04:06:38 PM
Why didn't he start a thread "I feel ganz, ryu and lance are bad for our community, so I went ahead and banned them from the forums, then lied to other admins, then banned them from the server"? Why has he deleted all the threads ever since? This is a series of very serious violations and the BEST CASE SCENARIO is that he walks away free without any consequences. BEST, because it won't happen. Apparently it will be iL's "call", and, your words, "In iL's eyes, Burnt is still the leader".

Don't you see that burnt basically CONFIRMED with his actions every word lance said about him? About lying, covering tracks, changing stories? He's done everything from this little list just today... and your long-ass post had nothing to offer, other than "we're all burnt bitches, too afraid to take action, lets wait and hopefully he'll change his mind about this blatant rule violation". My chickens would be just as efficient
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 25, 2015, 04:07:20 PM
And what are you blathering about? Some stealth switching moderation rules? If so, just SAY it, ANNOUNCE.
And you say this^

I literally said the exact same thing vvvv
if we were a community that didn't have specific rules that people are supposed to follow, then banning the problem people would be fine.  That's another way to run a community.  No specific rules, but if we judge you have stepped out of line, we can take action as we see fit.  However, since we do have all these rules posted, I feel like that's kind of a promise by us to moderate by those rules and not ad hoc.


bawk bawk
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EF_GameBot on August 25, 2015, 04:20:16 PM
My chickens would be just as efficient

Haha holy crap I just about died laughing there.  Claw is such an asshole.  But,  he's spot on with everything he's said in this singular thread so far.  I'm thoroughly impressed.  Then again I guess I'm biased since he's mowing greener grass on my side of the fence ;)  It's good however to finally see some public discussion about this though.  Not so cool that it had to take me circumventing a ban to get it started though.  I dislike having to hide my identity to get things done.  Just remove the damn ban on the War2 server and the forums so we can discuss this without having to act like it's halloween and hide behind masks guessing at who people are.

You know somethin is up when claw and lance agree upon anything :P
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EF_GameBot on August 25, 2015, 04:45:39 PM
Oh ya,  here's another gem I forgot to mention.

Burnt knows that EF_HostBot and EF_GameBot are my bots.  Yet he let them do their job for a good 56 hours or so by NOT banning them.  Completely leeching off me until I eventually found out what he had done (Ryu is actually the one who emailed me about it).  At first I didnt believe it because there was no reason for doing something that stupid and my bots were running fine.  So i brushed it off.  But when I got home and went to update the Mod section with updates for the bot.  Low and behold,  banned just like Ryu had said.  I checked the war2 server from my home IP.  Yep, banned there too.  Ya I was some freakin pissed.  That confirmed the "leech" thing i am always calling him also.  That guy is nothing but an f'ing Leech,  leeching off other's work and then calling it his own.

Action needs to be taken now rather than tomorrow, next week, next year.  This should have all been resolved Sun when I emailed iL the first time.  At this pace it's going to take weeks.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Legend on August 25, 2015, 04:48:09 PM
Burnt came on and banned the 3 of us yesterday, then realized that he had overstepped his bounds and unbanned us less than an hour later. He had thought that nobody had noticed but Ryu and I sure did. Ryu then made a thread explaining what had happened and it got to about 2 pages long and then burnt came on, saw it, deleted it, and rebanned all of us. He even deleted all of Ryu's stats on the game.

This is the same thing he was complaining about Lance doing in the past. Making people disappear without a trace, no judge, no jury.

The real reason I feel that I was banned was because I made the poll asking if Lance should host the servers. This is the only explanation I can think of. Why else would he ban Lance? I can kind of understand the reason behind myself and ryu(even then, why is he doing it in secret?), but Lance??? He has done nothing but good things the past few years. He has been helping iL behind the scenes and just made the awesome host bot. This clearly shows that it has everything to do with him staying in power and nothing to do about the forums. He is still mad at Lance for whatever happened 7 years ago.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Delete mine too on August 25, 2015, 04:55:27 PM
Well hmmmm... I'm not sure why they where banned. Is there somethin I don't know? ?
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 25, 2015, 04:58:25 PM
Well hmmmm... I'm not sure why they where banned. Is there somethin I don't know? ?
Nope.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EF_GameBot on August 25, 2015, 05:12:30 PM
Mmm yes thats right,  he deleted Ryu's war2 stats.  He was telling me that also.  Forgot about that tidbit.  WTF purpose does that serve?  Dude's already banned, why go that extra step and delete stats?  Like,  whats the point of that other than an even louder "fuck you" statement.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Legend on August 25, 2015, 05:14:20 PM
Mmm yes thats right,  he deleted Ryu's war2 stats.  He was telling me that also.  Forgot about that tidbit.  WTF purpose does that serve?  Dude's already banned, why go that extra step and delete stats?  Like,  whats the point of that other than an even louder "fuck you" statement.

It shows that his actions are based on rage, not rational thought.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 25, 2015, 05:19:31 PM
You have to remember that there is discussion on this topic behind the scenes, both in the admin forum and by PM.  The discussion started immediately, before this thread was created.  Burnt will be removed from admin, as he has asked to be removed after some discussion.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Legend on August 25, 2015, 05:22:33 PM
well I guess you can lift the bans now?
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 25, 2015, 05:24:31 PM
Well, come to think of that, the forum has been much more pleasant lately!
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Meck on August 25, 2015, 05:41:37 PM
When you develop anything for a community using your own time and resulting contribution is appreciated with a "this shit is awesome" response, you know at that point you've done something worthy.  Holding your contribution over heads is not demonstrating respect for the community; it represents a sense of entitlement/power. Having said that, being banned without just cause is certainly reason to be pissed and you deserve fair treatment to the terms of use (if applicable), but don't volunteer your ball and then  run home because you got fouled.  Work it out with the officials. (Time for other controlling parties to step up, review, and take action).

If that doesn't work out the way you hope, well, that does suck.

Just curious and I apologize in advance for an epic run on -- because I haven't read the whole post and have been only on the forums for a couple of weeks and have been away from WCII for a long time, but played as long as ANYONE on here  (I care about the longevity), I wonder if the mods/admins have been provided proof of any infractions. I don't expect a reply from an admin, but hopefully ethics and integrity  are being applied in the background.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: tk[as] on August 25, 2015, 07:08:27 PM
just my two cents... I like burnt as a person and he has done a lot for the community.. but in the last couple years he is active less than 5% of the time. He shows up for a couple days then is gone for a few weeks or months only to return for a couple more days before he disappears again.

It's a bad situation where someone like that (which has pretty much been the pattern of all admins in the last few years with the exception of me and lightbringer .. i hear blid is more active now?) is given the ability to silence voices he does not want to hear..

I understand ryu, ganz, lance, me, and others dont have a lot of positive things to say about the current leadership, but it's not just because we like being "debbie downers". We all genuinely want to see the server do better. We all genuinely want to see better leadership, active admins, better support for the community.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Legend on August 25, 2015, 07:29:44 PM

I understand ryu, ganz, lance, me, and others dont have a lot of positive things to say about the current leadership, but it's not just because we like being "debbie downers". We all genuinely want to see the server do better. We all genuinely want to see better leadership, active admins, better support for the community.

Yes exactly. I hate seeing the player base continue to decline and every time I check there is less and less players. I would like nothing more than to see the server booming and growing instead of shrinking and I would actually start to play again. We have admins who are hardly ever on and there are tons of others who could replace them that are much more active and could do much more for the community. Like someone said in another thread, they never see any admins on except when burnt comes on for a few days every couple months. Blid is active on the forums but that's it.

Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 25, 2015, 08:41:15 PM
I play war2 relatively frequently under various names.  not smurfing though, i openly reveal that it's me.  couple times a week or so
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Delete mine too on August 25, 2015, 09:48:40 PM
Well the way I see it here is iL is the boss. He has most power, and I think if you had the right to where a mod, admin, tag you are representin iL and to do such things under the circumstances are crazy. Why would you wanna ruin such reference?

iL rushed out an anti hack to make certain people stfu lol. Awesome! Now it's time to get serious. If burnt has demoted himself for the sake of 3 players. I see it as stupid, then them to agree on something. Ryu is my bitch is now he is gone. Ganz he made my admin thread. Lance is good knowledge and resources.

WHY THE FUCK IS GANZ BANNED ??????
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Nox on August 26, 2015, 01:26:51 AM
Ive always told it, Burnt can be a great admin, but his way too much hypocrite.

I remember 6 months ago when i made a thread asking lance to contact me $$$$$$$.

He just ban me for an hour and delete all my threads saying ive never did shit for war2.

He also made a map package for the website download section included my maps in it but  ranaming my maps whithout the nox in it, so he dint have to give me credits.

He also made a BIG flyers where there like 500 names of all the community, he dint even put my name in it!

He steal my ideas and trying to make peoples believe it's actualy blackdragonshadow something who give him.

He just try to cockblock me for years, and try to do like if ive never did nothing for ours, same as lightbringer-
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 26, 2015, 01:53:31 AM
After reading every post on this thread all I can say is wow.........

No wonder Wc2 is dying........
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Winchester on August 26, 2015, 04:21:07 AM
He also made a BIG flyers where there like 500 names of all the community, he dint even put my name in it!

Probably because you're a shitty human being who finds his own grandmothers death hilarious.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: mousEtopher on August 26, 2015, 04:34:45 AM
He also made a BIG flyers where there like 500 names of all the community, he dint even put my name in it!

Don't feel bad, I never get on those lists either.
Title: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 26, 2015, 09:15:55 AM
...Ryu is my bitch is now he is gone.

I think your a little confused there Tupac. [emoji58]


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Yamon on August 26, 2015, 09:53:12 AM
ganz is a wc2 legend. war2 is worse off without him. lance is a moron and ryu isn't even a player, that's just how i see things.
Title: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 26, 2015, 09:55:52 AM
ganz is a wc2 legend. war2 is worse off without him. lance is a moron and ryu isn't even a player, that's just how i see things.

Pfft another failed troll....

So why ain't I a player exactly?

Definition: Player

1.
a person taking part in a sport or game.
"a tennis player"
synonyms:   participant, contestant, competitor, contender; More




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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 26, 2015, 10:16:59 AM

My chickens would be just as efficient

Lol [emoji23]


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 26, 2015, 10:55:20 AM
ganz is a wc2 legend. war2 is worse off without him. lance is a moron and ryu isn't even a player, that's just how i see things.
Have you ever seen Ganz play?
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on August 26, 2015, 01:14:12 PM
After reading every post on this thread all I can say is wow.........

No wonder Wc2 is dying........


it's dying because war2 is 1000 years old. i really don't understand why morons like tk think a new administration will fix this. add all the cool new features if you can, no ones coming back, not for any prolonged periods of time anyways. games dead , has been for a long time already. this thread reeks of jackasses vying for power over a worthless relic.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: O4L on August 26, 2015, 04:52:23 PM
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rwfVt2rE70#)
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: tk[as] on August 26, 2015, 05:01:12 PM
now burnt is comparing himself  and his actions to Jesus lolll
Title: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 26, 2015, 05:16:21 PM
Burnt you are pathetic.


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Delete mine too on August 26, 2015, 05:28:03 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 26, 2015, 05:38:26 PM
So what exactly is he comparing himself to anyway?  It's not like he's been removed as a moderator or anything.

(http://i.imgur.com/r0qKnbj.png)
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 26, 2015, 05:43:19 PM
The All-Seeing Eye group is blue.  So what?

I can make that group any color I want to.  If he were moderator, Claw and you guys would be rebanned right now.
Title: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 26, 2015, 05:48:41 PM
The All-Seeing Eye group is blue.  So what?

I can make that group any color I want to.  If he were moderator, Claw and you guys would be rebanned right now.

Claw wasn't even banned the first time, why would he be banned now?

Also Lance what inch monitor you have? 27"?

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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 26, 2015, 05:49:04 PM
Blue is a terrible color.  Black is much better :)
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 26, 2015, 05:50:24 PM

Blue is a terrible color.  Black is much better :)

Shit green would be an idle coloùr for him...imo


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 26, 2015, 05:51:36 PM
Shit is green?!  I'd have thought that would be like a brownish really ugly color.  I vote for black or brown :)
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 26, 2015, 05:58:22 PM
Claw wasn't even banned the first time, why would he be banned now?
Showing disrespect, my ban was on its way, but burton lost his mod just in time
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 26, 2015, 05:59:21 PM

Claw wasn't even banned the first time, why would he be banned now?
Showing disrespect, my ban was on its way, but burton lost his mod just in time

More like took his anti-depressants in time lool


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 26, 2015, 06:05:56 PM
Naa, he didnt lose anything.  They are just "saying" he did and then giving excuses as to why the Colors and Icons never actually changed.  See, that style I pointed out, it actually denotes GLOBAL moderators (as seen in the SMF Documentation for that particular style as it tells you how to change it in the template files).  Notice that Tupac is BLACK (normal user/moderator of single forums,  if u show it on the Mods forum, Tupac would be blue, but its not shown right now) and iL is RED (Denotes an administrator).  This isnt the only place that "colors" mysteriously "got stuck" either.  Look at the War2 server.  He still listed as admin with the /admins command and he still has the "Blizzard" icon.  At first,  I sort of believed Blid that he tried to de-op Blid in War2.  But now..........  I must say, I am completely unconvinced.  I am still running my bots,  but I swear to god if I catch wind that Burnt is banning people,  participating in administrative processes, etc.  I'll probably blow my top.  I hate being bold face lied to just as much as the next guy in line.  The difference,  I tend to do things about it.  Most wont.  I probably will.  Burnt is cancer.  He needs to be no different than any other player.  Has no business in the "Admin" forum if he's no longer an Admin,  etc etc.  Burnt is the biggest obstacle in iL's way of making real decisions for war2 and he's afraid to remove that obstacle. If I can help remove that,  then that can only be a win for war2.  Not to mention that I lose all motivation to do anything whenever Burnt is tossed into the mix.
Title: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 26, 2015, 06:09:20 PM
I told you from the beginning that they weren't gonna do shit lol, it's all a show. But I mean pathetic Burnt's life is on this thing, he leaves what else he is gonna put his rage on?


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 26, 2015, 06:11:36 PM
I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt.  But I fear you are correct.  You pointed out all the evidence,  I just didnt want to believe it.  You won that bet :(
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 26, 2015, 06:11:56 PM
I sort of believed Blid that he tried to de-op Blid in War2.

(https://modernpensees.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/snake-eats-own-tail.jpg)
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 26, 2015, 06:17:01 PM
LMAO new take on Open mouth insert foot.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on August 26, 2015, 06:19:42 PM
The admins are trying to please both sides by telling everyone he was de-modded from game/forums and in secret telling burnt he will still keep his in-game admin and ability to read the admin forums. So basically all he lost was his ability to ban people on the forum. Unacceptable, do the admins really think we are this stupid?
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 26, 2015, 06:23:34 PM
I donno, just confused as to why they keep this idiot liability around...guy clearly has anger issues and doesn't know how to deal with them. I still don't know what he was thinking, he thinks banning will silence us? Clearly, he's not to bright...


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: O4L on August 26, 2015, 06:27:26 PM
File attached.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 26, 2015, 06:30:41 PM
Imo it's not just his "banning" that has been a problem.  It's the fact that people who can REALLY make change for war2 are scared shitless of "what will burnt think!  he'll be pissed!  I wont go against him".  That sort of problem is cancerous to ANY organization no matter WHAT it is.  If I was afraid of what a project manager would say about how I decided to code something (PM's know nothing about development), then the stuff I build would only be as good as what the PM themselves could create and that's some pretty shitty stuff.  It's abundantly clear that EVERY person on the RU team is scared shittless of Burnt and that simply needs to CHANGE.  How do we help them effect that change?  Support them in removing him from the position.  It's obvious that they need help doing it so I'm trying my best to force the issue so that the blame can be placed on me rather than them.  I'd gladly eliminate Burnt from ANY project I was on,  including War2.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on August 26, 2015, 07:13:43 PM
After reading every post on this thread all I can say is wow.........

No wonder Wc2 is dying........


it's dying because war2 is 1000 years old. i really don't understand why morons like tk think a new administration will fix this. add all the cool new features if you can, no ones coming back, not for any prolonged periods of time anyways. games dead , has been for a long time already. this thread reeks of jackasses vying for power over a worthless relic.

SC1, War3 are both 1000 years old as well and they have multiple private servers with thousands of players on at a time. Hell, WoW is old too and its the most popular MMORPG. Age has nothing to do with it, its just an excuse.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Thomas29 on August 26, 2015, 07:16:44 PM
Well That is just Fucked Up Dude!
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Winchester on August 26, 2015, 09:27:54 PM
Shit is green?!  I'd have thought that would be like a brownish really ugly color.  I vote for black or brown :)

Drink some Chlorophyll, that stuff makes your shit green!
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 26, 2015, 10:11:03 PM
I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt.  But I fear you are correct.  You pointed out all the evidence,  I just didnt want to believe it.  You won that bet :(

Oh come on.  This is insulting.

(http://i.imgur.com/MvRm8Lc.png)

What's more, we removed him from that group now.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: shesycompany on August 26, 2015, 11:38:33 PM
"SC1, War3 are both 1000 years old as well and they have multiple private servers with thousands of players on at a time. Hell, WoW is old too and its the most popular MMORPG. Age has nothing to do with it, its just an excuse.
« Last Edit: Today at 07:16:17 PM by GaNzTheLegend »"

yeh but war2 bnet shelf time was so short lived.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 27, 2015, 01:36:49 AM
What's more, we removed him from that group now.

That's really the best plan anyway ;)  It would only give rise to lots of conspiracy theories since it's obvious that groups can have their own permissions as seen in thy own SS :P
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 27, 2015, 02:18:44 AM

What's more, we removed him from that group now.


That's really the best plan anyway ;)  It would only give rise to lots of conspiracy theories since it's obvious that groups can have their own permissions as seen in thy own SS :P


(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/70/705606b8eae389990c3bd2704ddd66677f353631d7a98cce0d7ecbab9a9d5683.jpg)


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: mousEtopher on August 27, 2015, 10:02:39 AM
Naa, he didnt lose anything.  They are just "saying" he did and then giving excuses as to why the Colors and Icons never actually changed.  See, that style I pointed out, it actually denotes GLOBAL moderators (as seen in the SMF Documentation for that particular style as it tells you how to change it in the template files).  Notice that Tupac is BLACK (normal user/moderator of single forums,  if u show it on the Mods forum, Tupac would be blue, but its not shown right now) and iL is RED (Denotes an administrator).  This isnt the only place that "colors" mysteriously "got stuck" either.  Look at the War2 server.  He still listed as admin with the /admins command and he still has the "Blizzard" icon.  At first,  I sort of believed Blid that he tried to de-op Blid in War2.  But now..........  I must say, I am completely unconvinced.  I am still running my bots,  but I swear to god if I catch wind that Burnt is banning people,  participating in administrative processes, etc.  I'll probably blow my top.  I hate being bold face lied to just as much as the next guy in line.  The difference,  I tend to do things about it.  Most wont.  I probably will.  Burnt is cancer.  He needs to be no different than any other player.  Has no business in the "Admin" forum if he's no longer an Admin,  etc etc.  Burnt is the biggest obstacle in iL's way of making real decisions for war2 and he's afraid to remove that obstacle. If I can help remove that,  then that can only be a win for war2.  Not to mention that I lose all motivation to do anything whenever Burnt is tossed into the mix.

Come on man, what kind of idiotic conspiracy shit is this? I thought you had some sense. :P Obviously he was deopped, or you would've been posting that from your Hostbot account. Burnt's the original admin of the english-speaking community and has contributed a ton to it over the years, our unwillingness to instantly and completely kick him to the curb has more to do with respect than "fear", although I'm not surprised that word doesn't seem to be in the vocabulary of wc2's favorite professional naysayers. I mean what's he gonna do, come to our houses and cut us?
Title: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 27, 2015, 10:14:31 AM

... mean what's he gonna do, come to our houses and cut us?

Probably, medicated handicap people can have all sorts of side effects [emoji19]


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on August 27, 2015, 10:20:39 AM
I mean what's he gonna do, come to our houses and cut us?


LoL, have you seen this dude's videos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXy8H18rj3g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXy8H18rj3g)
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 27, 2015, 11:38:36 AM

I mean what's he gonna do, come to our houses and cut us?


LoL, have you seen this dude's videos?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXy8H18rj3g[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXy8H18rj3g[/url])


Well, after watching that I am even more convinced he is actually mentally handicapped irl.



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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 27, 2015, 11:44:11 AM
IDK about mentally handicapped,  because still quite capable of doing stupid shit.  Handicapped means you cant do something ;)  He is however Manic Depressive.  93% of all serial killers are manic depressive.  I'm not quite sure what mental issue would cause one to make such a fuckin weird ass video though.  Where the hell did you dig that up Ganz.  That shit is just scary as fuck.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on August 27, 2015, 12:00:24 PM
  Where the hell did you dig that up Ganz.  That shit is just scary as fuck.


Mousey's post reminded me of back when Burnt made those dark warrior videos and posted them on youtube so I searched the war2combat channel. There is a whole bunch of em.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FZ6pWdJZyc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FZ6pWdJZyc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF4yNWelqlA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF4yNWelqlA)
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 27, 2015, 12:02:31 PM
Well jesus, no wonder people are running the other way!  I wouldnt want anything to do with a game that has a weirdo like that.  I've never seen those before,   hope they arent easily accessible to new players lol.  And it's not surpising that he's LEECHING again,  on someone he BANNED,  more than 5 times (Feature,  that is feature's sound track).  Fuckin bastard.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 27, 2015, 12:11:02 PM
Burnt is not a serial killer or any of that bs.  Lets cool it with the dancing on his grave please.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Winchester on August 27, 2015, 12:32:53 PM
Lol at Episode 2. Looks like his gonna try summon satan any minute
Title: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 27, 2015, 12:40:06 PM
Burnt is not a serial killer or any of that bs.  Lets cool it with the dancing on his grave please.

Why? If the little freak actually talked to us and tried to find some common ground we could get along...only thing the dingbat knows how to do is ban. Zero people skills. He doesn't give a crap about the people he bans, I still haven't received a apology from him. Only thing I have received from him is a few threats on the server saying if he still had access he would re-ban us all. I offered to work things out with him if he would just talk to me, but he be continues to be childish. I remember a time when we were all friends, u think I like all this bullshit?


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 27, 2015, 12:45:38 PM
Lol at Episode 2. Looks like his gonna try summon satan any minute
yeah those videos are great
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on August 27, 2015, 12:52:43 PM
Lol at Episode 2. Looks like his gonna try summon satan any minute
yeah those videos are great

yea they will be all over the news when he kills iL and steals the server from him.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 27, 2015, 12:54:58 PM

Lol at Episode 2. Looks like his gonna try summon satan any minute
yeah those videos are great

yea they will be all over the news when he kills iL and steals the server from him.


LMFAO


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on August 27, 2015, 01:18:39 PM
burnt still owes me an apology from like 7 years ago when creech99 disced on me and he booted me from the tournament.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: I hate naggers on August 27, 2015, 01:20:44 PM
youre jon. you disc. it doesnt matter who disced as long as the other guy is allstar, koorb, yamon, vanwilder or jon
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on August 27, 2015, 01:35:33 PM
you're a dumb chop newbie who holds no relevance to the game. you're also an admitted hacker and dumb fascist baby.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 27, 2015, 01:45:08 PM
Burnt apologized to me once publicly.  And then he reneged it.  So, he doesnt need to do anything else since it wouldnt really mean much anyway.  It would just be a bunch of words scribbled on a screen and nothing more.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: hop on August 27, 2015, 05:50:26 PM
ganz is a wc2 legend. war2 is worse off without him. lance is a moron and ryu isn't even a player, that's just how i see things.
Have you ever seen Ganz play?
lol yeah.  maybe at nwtr/low/slowest or something.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on August 27, 2015, 06:05:41 PM
Burnt apologized to me once publicly.  And then he reneged it.  So, he doesnt need to do anything else since it wouldnt really mean much anyway.  It would just be a bunch of words scribbled on a screen and nothing more.

Is that post still on the old forums? I vaguely remember the one I think you are referring to.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: O4L on August 27, 2015, 08:32:26 PM
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK1to_S3_GA#)
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 27, 2015, 08:48:48 PM
.................. 

IDK what is worse,  the fact this video exists, or that you've been wearing the same shirt for 3 years.

BTW,  can I join DW clan?  :)
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on August 27, 2015, 10:21:10 PM
That video made me laugh when he said he wore the shirt for 3 years and it actually looks like it was. That's a pretty nice collection of war2 "artifacts" btw.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: tk[as] on August 27, 2015, 10:28:53 PM
did know burnt is married.

i guess his wife is the one that made the hat and recorded the video


just observin'

Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 27, 2015, 10:42:53 PM
did know burnt is married.
is he?  how do you know
Title: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 27, 2015, 10:44:15 PM
did know burnt is married.

is he?  how do you know


Not hard to miss the ring on his finger...all great seeing lawyer [emoji23]

Funny video tho Burnt, actually make me laugh [emoji23]

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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 27, 2015, 10:55:17 PM
but then he wouldve said "didnt know," did know means he knew already
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: EviL~Ryu on August 27, 2015, 11:02:57 PM

but then he wouldve said "didnt know," did know means he knew already

Just answering your question "how do you know"


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Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: {Lance} on August 28, 2015, 02:21:28 AM
If that was his wife,  I feel pretty bad for her.  It must suck seeing your hubby beatin down like that.  That wouldnt be cool if it was his wife.  He musta had some awesome sympathy sex after that sobstory video.  Really nice war2 collection though.  A lot of things in there I've never even seen before.
Title: Re: Split: Burnt banning Lance, Ganz & Ryu from server/forum
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on August 28, 2015, 08:43:35 AM
What is that pink war2 cd?