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General Discussion / Re: To all our Ukrainian brothers!

« on: March 03, 2022, 09:10:14 AM »

Your loyal president will go in the same direction as Russian warship. Or you want to have one more "loyal president" in Rostov? You need ~1 mln soldiers here to control Ukraine after war.

I definitely have no idea how he plan to do what he declared. I just hope he has a good plan.
I don't think he plan to use 1 mln soldiers to keep Ukraine. I also don't think he plan to kill civilians.

When you tried to take Kyiv in 2 days and we beat off your attack  we tell "Мы побеждаем" this doesn't mean that we destroy Russian army. All of us know that this army is very huge and have powerful weapon. All of us know that we are defending and not attacking now. But we have success in our defending and we have a good chance to protect our country. And there is more than 1 Russian soldier is killed.

I agree then. You beat off the attack. You will beat off more attacks. But russian army will not stop.
The stakes are too high for Russia in this global confrontation.
Even if Ukraine join NATO (though i don't trust that will happen), Putin won't stop. It is a question of preserving Russia's place in this world for him.

Ye... They failed with attack on Kharkiv, and now the 3rd day you are destroying this city with bombs and missiles. I know you'd like to tell "this is a fake, it wasn't shown on our TV". But later you will understand why we hate you. Or maybe will not. There is a great opportunity to close your eyes and ears and scream "nothing happens!".
In your crazy country, it's a crime now to say "No war". And you can tell about "antinazificaction" for Ukraine or what stupid terms do you use for war?

Yes, looks like firstly they planned to not kill people at all. Only destroy military infrastructure. Now they began to kill people, more and more. I think everybody understand that will increase hatred from ukrainian side...

80...100... Is this the biggest trouble for you, Il? Now all the World hate you. You was kicked off from previous hoster because you are Russian. Russians are being kicked off everywhere today. You will live with a shame for years. I cannot imagine this... Now I feel support from all the countries. Our customers tell us: do anything you can for your country, we will pay you as usual. There is free transport in Europe  for anybody with Ukrainian passport. Podolyaka will tell you "China and Idia support Russia". Could you tell me what support do you have from them. Instead of TV news messages "China support us"
This is the result of voting against Russian invasion in UN:

Our medias say us USA have a great influence to other countries, everybody vote as USA tell them to vote.
USA showed their power in Lybia, Syria, Iraq, Afganistan, etc. Other countries are small and weak, so they are being afraind to talk against USA.
If you disagree with USA, you will have an orange revolution on your territory. If you disagree with Russia, you will have nothing.

Votes in most political institutions followed the same way last years: USA and all the countries loyal to USA have similar voices. Most likely against Russia or China.
Most likely Russia have opposite voice, China abstains. Or China have opposite voice, Russia abstains. Traditions in modern politics...

You'd prefer, but not Putin. Putin have lost one soldier and he should take more and more. I don't know what will happen, but this is realistic scenario that you can be taken to the army without possibility to pay off.
And our tolerant Il will take a gun and go to Lviv to shoot in me, BatDev and other guys. Why? Because I kill Russians for 30 years. It was said on TV.

I don't envy Putin is this situation. Now that looks like a very unpopular decision with some tactical mistakes... I have no idea about strategy, so no arguments from me about that...
I think russians just have to trust Putin: looks like in previous "operations" he knew what to do:
Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea, Syria and so on. Russia won in all these operations.
I just hope he knows what to do. He have 20 years experience of different "military operations". And i hope he will not send me to kill you, or something like that...

Because you are invaders! You will be a patriot when you defend your home from the Kadyrov's orcish hordes.

100% agree. Russians have absolutely different feeling of the reality. You were going to protect your home from russian invaders last 8 years and maybe many years before.
Russians didn't think about to protect their home or even about war at all...

Yes, Russia love all the neighbors. And love is such big that all the neighbors hate Russia now. Georgia, Moldova, Baltic states. You think people in Belarus love you? They will spit in your back as soon as Lukashevko will be removed. And you will wonder "Why?! We did everything for them! We considered them as a brothers! Maybe they are Nazis too!". You make all of countries around you "Nazis".

I think you right, people from these countries don't like russians.
Our medias tell us they have pro-west govermnemts, that's why they have pro-west medias, who cultivate hatred against russia for years.
USSR lost in Cold War, West used russians weakness to grow up anti-russian regimes in most countries. They are much better masters of propaganda than russians.

That is the question with no answer, where is the truth...

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General Discussion / Re: ATTN Russians

« on: March 03, 2022, 08:06:58 AM »

So you still belive that its good idea when he attacked ukraine if you belive he is "good"

I didn't say that's good idea. I said President is good, he made good decisions last 20 years, that let Russia become better.
I don't know what choice he had before attack the Ukraine.
Today i read a statement from russian official medias that Russia is ahead of NATO by 1 day. Otherwise NATO would invade to Ukraine, subdue LPR/DPR and later place nuclear weapon there.
That would be definitely a fatal russian defeat in global confrontation...

what you had in CCCP? only army, now you can see your big CCCP army in ukraine, old tanks.... kids +2000born who will die for russia, as you see now economy sanctions are better than army

Not only army. Many machines, devices made is USSR are still working now.
Fridges, vacuum cleaners, motors - are morally obsolete but working yet. They are still much more durable than modern ones from china...

I don't talk about USSR was a paradise, but it held a worthy place in the world.

I'm not happy that the situation goes as it goes now, i think that will touch the whole world: Eupore, Russia, USA, probably China and everybody else. That will be hard times for everyone of us. I just send you what russian government tells to russians and how i understand that.

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General Discussion / Re: ATTN Russians

« on: March 03, 2022, 05:49:28 AM »

i'm sure even most observers in the west don't agree with NATO's skulduggery and antagonism but that does not justify this ridiculous war.

Our medias tell us most observers are biased in favor of the West.
They blind when they need to see agression of USA/NATO but they repeatedly exaggerate russian agression.

NATO being positioned as military block... against whom? They don't want to invite Russia. But they are happy to invite other countries from the west of Russia.

after World War II, the iron curtain was from Poland to the east, the Russians told us many lies, e.g. Katyn that it was a German job, in the 90s the border was moved to the east to Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, you still probably study at school that Russia  did not attack Poland, and war started when Germans attacked you

Yes, you right, the war for russians began in 22 Jun 1941, when Germany attacked USSR. Russians calls that part of WW2 - The Great Patriotic War.
Of course we know WW2 began in 1939 when Germany attacked Poland, but that's much less sufficient date for russians...

Honestly, i didn't look carefully about Katyn. Yes, Russian position is it was a German job. Also russians say the history is being a bit rewritten by West since that times.
Not sure whos "truth" is more truthful...

Russia lives in his own world, that it is always the best, invincible, and people are buying it, you have putin as president  for 20? years with a break when he was prime minister and you are not doing anything about it, you as the population of Russia, and now you support the conflict(of course not all, but most), hard times are ahead for Russians, very hard, you deserved it(as country), if you are not even protest, they cant arrest all russians

Well, many russians accept Putin. Who have been President before him?
Gorbachev? He destroyed the USSR - the great and powerful country. What americans would say about their president if he'd destroy USA to 50 separate countries? Not the best choice as for me.
Eltsin? Drunkard who kept destroying Russia after Gorbachev.
Several Presidents in late USSR before Gorbachev was weak and old seniles who did nothing except gradual decomposition of a big country.

And Putin came after Eltsin. Of course russians appreciated the contrast.
Ggradual recovery of cities, manufacturin, manufacturing. I remember how Moscow have been degraded in 199x, but after 2000 (when Putin came) roads, parks, buildings began to be updated.
That is what I saw with my own eyes.
I'm not an expert in manufacturing or foreign policy, but that looked also impressive as we hear from medias.

I think many people will agree 1 good president for 20 years is much better than 5 old idiots for 4 years each.

I think many russians just trust Putin, his experience and his activity. I'd say russians understand hard times coming, but who knows what would be better? To do or not to do?

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General Discussion / Re: ATTN Russians

« on: March 02, 2022, 09:48:51 PM »

he talks fast. probably hard for some to follow.

but interesting opinions. Evidence to support opinions.

Just another piece of the puzzle. Im interested in all pieces of the puzzle.

Watched (with subtitles translated to russian).
That's quite similar to russian poisiton about the situation, but:
1. About Crimea:
Putin didn't pay much attention to economic part.
Priority #1 was - to save people.
There was the referendum in 2014 about Crimea, to stay in Ukraine or to move to Russia.
Official media said the were about 97% or Crimea people voted for Russia. Probably you remember CBUH, he told about that, with photos.
So, here's a real democracy in Russia as official media told us in 2014.
Much more democracy than "the main citadel of democracy - USA".
That's why russians call that not "anexia" but "reunion". Most russian people celebrated that for about several months.
Official media told us that if Crimea stay in Ukrane, ukrainian nazi would arrange a genocide there.
Relations between "pro-russians" and "nazi" was "complicated" for a long time before 2014.

Also official media told us NATO have been ready to deploy military bases in Crimea right after events in 2014.

Priority #2 was - to take contol over the sea.

BTW:
Same referendums have been organized in DPR/LPR. The result was about 70% for join to Russia.
As official media told us - Putin decided that's not enough. That's why DPR/LPR kept stay as parts of Ukraine.

2. About Ukraine in 2022:
the main trigger to attack Ukraine was (as official media and Putin told us) - intentions to put nuclear weapon (against Russia) into Ukraine. And intentions to join Ukraine into NATO.
After Ukraine join NATO, Putin would have to attack the whole alliance. Not possible.
Also not possible to have hostile nuclear weapon in 5 minutes flight to Moscow.
The red line Putin said to Biden weeks before.

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General Discussion / Re: ATTN Russians

« on: March 02, 2022, 09:05:13 PM »

To post youtube videos,  you have to right click on them and select "Copy Video URL".  If you copy the URL in the browser address bar,  you end up with the 302 errors you see here.

Or you can use tag "youtube" on forum: red symbol [>] in menu while editing message

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General Discussion / Re: To all our Ukrainian brothers!

« on: March 02, 2022, 07:48:27 PM »

So stuff like this is fake according to the Russian media?  Does anyone actually believe the media when the say these are fake?  They look pretty convincing to me,  heres a new one from today with the same dude that was in one from yesterday (the old guy with beard).  I dont speak russian so I cant really understand what they are saying and if any of it makes any sense or not.

Yes, they say such videos are fakes.
Of course looks pretty convincing, otherwise what reason to make it?
Just actors who says what they should say, why not?
I didn't see anything about these 3 guys, several more have been found on photos in a different setting.
Like the the bloody woman, "the inncent victim of russian agression" and another photo with her in the company of ukrainian nazi...

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General Discussion / Re: ATTN Russians

« on: March 02, 2022, 07:29:09 PM »

At least russians feels NATO like a hostile block.
And looks like they have reasons to think so...

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General Discussion / Re: ATTN Russians

« on: March 02, 2022, 07:15:27 PM »

Get those 3 main requirements fulfilled and possible entry into Nato increases substantially.  Do I think Russia will ever be a part of Nato?  No,  not in my lifetime but it's a possibility if the people want it bad enough.

Putin told in one of his speech: a country should not solve security problems at the expense of other countries. (One of NATO principals).

Each east europe country joining NATO reduces distance to main russian cities. NATO is gradually approaching to Russia. That is unacceptable to Russia.

Also Putшт said he talked to Clinton (if i remember properly) and asked him about Russia to join NATO.
Clinton made it clear Russia is not welcomed to NATO ever...

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General Discussion / Re: To all our Ukrainian brothers!

« on: March 02, 2022, 07:03:25 PM »

I have seen videos of interviews with captured PoWs and based on their physical appearance,  it almost looks like they are 15-18yrs old.

Official russian meda says these are ukrainian fakes.
1. no sense to use conscripts in such operations
2. no way to be captured: warriors move together, shoulder to shoulder. If ukrainians capture russians, they could be captured together. But operation is planned very well, so no captured russians at all should be.

Also russian medias say ukrainians are masters of fake. In many areas. Like to mass-kill civilians and then make it look like russian agression.

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General Discussion / Re: To all our Ukrainian brothers!

« on: March 02, 2022, 06:39:09 PM »

Interesting question about the Military requirement.  Here it's called the Draft,  in other places it's called Conscription and I believe Russia's military is at least 50% conscripts,  if not more.  Compare that to the US where the military is 100% volunteer.  Volunteers always fight harder than Conscripts.  IMO Ukraine should not have banned all males 18-60 from fleeing.  They should have said if you want to run like a pussy,  then run, because you'd be a waste of bullets anyway.  Kind of like in War2 when you ally a noob who is a complete waste and would actually be better if they werent in the game at all because they are wasting a mine you could be using yourself.

Our official media says there's no conscripts used in this operation. I'm inclined to believe, because of your arguments. Putin is not an idiot, he understands that much better than me and you.
Russian militaries had a very big experience last years: in Syria and many other regions.
Our medias say that russians won quickly in regions where USA waste many years and lost.

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General Discussion / Re: To all our Ukrainian brothers!

« on: March 02, 2022, 06:27:02 PM »

Yes we do.

That is sad, then many good people will die if i understand that properly from my side...
I just hope it won't come to that.

Even if our army will loss Russia cannot control this land. I think more than 90% of Ukrainian hate Russia now. Just imagine, you are still afraid of UPA (Bandera). Now all the Ukraine will be UPA.
Or maybe you think someone from Moscow will decide which TV-channels we can watch what books we can read and what songs we can sing?

Yes, i mean army here. If russian army win, they will probably set president loyal to Russia. They will not allow nuclear weapon/probably any weapon and army for Ukraine. They will not allow integration to NATO.
They will also prohibit glorification of Nazism as they understand it.
They will most likely prohibit glorification of Bandera, Hitler and others who they refer to nazists.
They will most likely prohibit calls for killing/hatred russians.
And they should let everything else stay as is.
That is how i understand things according on what i see in russian medias.

Previously I thought that you are quite smart guy, Il. What happened with all of you?

Completely different informaion from media i think.
That was not about attack to Belarus, that's about how easy he talks about next steps after winning Russia.
Probably no one here believes that the Ukrainian army can defeat the Russian army. And Zelenskiy tells like Russian army is almost defeated...

Yes, you were going to take Kyiv in two day. And before yesterday you had 1 soldier killed.  Today 500. Do you still trust them? See above: "Previously I thought that you are quite smart guy, Il."

Partially. I think they embellish reality as happens in any war.
Also they say russians want to minimize civilian casualties, that's why they move slower than that could be possible. And now they have to move faster...

Sanctions... All your country is nothing now. You are kicked off all the sport organization, all the culture and scientific events.

Yes, looks scary a bit. Especially economic sanctions. Ruble drops down from 80 to 100 one day, government trying to hold it as possible, supply chains are being broken.
Looks like our life will be much more difficult next years...

You always "understand" all the position. So, answer me to my question.
Tomorrow you will be taken to army. What will you do? Buy doctor's note that you are sick? What if you cannot? Will take a gun and visit Lviv to kill us?
This is your "truth"?

Yes, personally i'd prefer to buy note that i'm sick or w/e like that. Not because i'm afraid, but because i don't want to kill fraternal people.

I think russians are much less patriotes than ukrainians is this situation, i mean civilians. We are not ready to die for that war.
I think russians don't see enemy in ukrainians. Russians see enemy in the forces behind ukrainians.

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General Discussion / Re: To all our Ukrainian brothers!

« on: March 02, 2022, 03:11:47 PM »

@Zelya i just hope you still don't hate me or any other russians you know because of Putin's attack to Ukraine.
I can't imagine how you feel now, i just hope our talks appropriate in that situation...

What do people near you think about the future? Do they plan to fight against russian army with their guns? How they imagine chances for win or loss?

I heared Zelenskiy said Ukriane plans to attack Belarus after win against Russia, is that true? From russian side that looks like a bad joke...
Russians have no doubt Putin will win success this "operation" in near future. The main discussions here are about USA/EU sanctions against Russia, our answers for that sanctions and our future life under that sanctions...

Our medias give completely different information to russians and to ukrainians, so who can know where is truth and where is lie...
I completely understand your hatred of the invaders, but i also understand russian position based on russian "truth"...

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General Discussion / Re: ATTN Russians

« on: February 28, 2022, 09:48:40 PM »

One of recent videos from east Ukraine observer.
Trying to proof russians are not bad guys.

Just a video with english translation

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General Discussion / Re: ATTN Russians

« on: February 28, 2022, 09:40:15 PM »

Interesting,  so this is essentially the same type of group that the Russians have (chechen "Special Purpose Military Units"),  extremists that go over the top with brutality and cruelty.

Yes, exactly,
chechen "Special Purpose Military Units" are being used to knock out the nazi from cities and fortified facilities. Their tasks: to attack nazi, not touching civilians.

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General Discussion / Re: ATTN Russians

« on: February 28, 2022, 09:34:48 PM »

I have hope that the Ukraine citizens will drag out taking of Kiev for a very long time but I agree,  eventually,  it's going to crumble.  If it cant be taken without minimal loss of civilians (which appears to have at least been attempted),  he's simply going to carpet bomb the place,  level it into the stone age and then there will literally be nothing left.  Is that a victory?  In his eyes,  yes.

Official media in Russia tells (also Putin set the same task) that russian army use pinpoint strikes to military objects, they don't use aviation or weapons of mass destruction against cities and even against enemies soldiers. Only military objects. They also don't destruct brigdes, communication channels, etc.
about 3-4 days of attacks, huge part of territories freed (or occupied, depending on point of view), but infrastructure still working almost 100%: electricity, internet, water supply and so on.
So they say carpet bombs would be unacceptable way for russian army.

Another side, as they say: nazi (ukrainian army) use their (ukrainian) civilians as a shield. They know russians will not attack with risk of killing ukrainian civilians.
Something like that...

but I am curious,  how exactly is he going to "De-Nazify" a population/government that has no Nazis in it?

That is a good question. There are different assumptions, but nobody knows definitely. We just have to hope and believe Putin has a plan

I tell you what Ukraine does have a lot of that needs to be cleaned up though,  oligarch corruption.  It's just as bad if not worse than Russia itself.

Putin said nothing about "decorrution". Only about "denazification and demilitarization"