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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: ~ToRa~ on February 20, 2019, 08:23:19 AM
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When I made my initial comeback to War2 in 2009 I initially played Chop farms then transitioned to Gow.
Nowadays I don’t see many Chop players hosting like they did 5 years ago. So this question is directed to Chop players, is chop dead?
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Its always fun to join a chop game when its quiet and no ones playing gow, so I hope it doesn't die.
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It's pretty monotanus when they only play 1 map. The water variation I played of it was fun,
but they can't deal with variety
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LMAO ;D
A bunch of ef players giving their opinion about a map they don't play.
Get good at it, then you noobs can have an opinion about it ok?
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i play it.. a lot.. the outcome of the game is pretty much always determined in the first 2 minutes in 4v4. 3v3 is over within .01 seconds if one team has no hops which is not uncommon.. I dont see many playing it 2v2, but in my opinion it would be a really good 1v1 map(which almost nobody does.. ever.)
its a really fun map and offers it's players unique challenges and the ability to refine techniques that you wouldn't typically use on other maps, but do serve a purpose on those same maps.
I haven't seen chop hosted a whole lot in the last month or so though.
It's my go-to "Stress free" map.. players typically aren't raging at eachother for being the weak link. The games go so quickly that even if it does happen everyone forgets by the start of the next game. It definitely has it's place in the war2 community imo
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i play it.. a lot.. the outcome of the game is pretty much always determined in the first 2 minutes in 4v4.
Yeah I can see how it may appear that way bcause if you are next to an enemy facing, usually one of you will be dead within 2 minutes, but if you played more often you would see more happening. You may die straight up, but one of your pards may be killing an enemy, then take their spot and immediately have twice the space then use that to kill a 2nd enemy etc.
One player getting on a roll will often win a 4v4 game, if there is one or two others at least holding out enough to cover their back.
But yes the early game stuff can be frustrating if you are facing much better opponents.
3v3 is over within .01 seconds if one team has no hops which is not uncommon..
Pros with no hops can and do beat opponents with hops all the time. There have even been a couple of players who deliberately don't take hops because they prefer launching from their single base build.
I dont see many playing it 2v2, but in my opinion it would be a really good 1v1 map(which almost nobody does.. ever.)
2v2 is very common. 1v1 is less common ... but almost nobody ever? no way. Personally I like 1s, my 1v1 game is a bit better than my team game.
its a really fun map and offers it's players unique challenges and the ability to refine techniques that you wouldn't typically use on other maps, but do serve a purpose on those same maps.
I haven't seen chop hosted a whole lot in the last month or so though.
IDK Maybe you're not on at the right time of day or something. I play chop every day, and I currently cant host, so someone does - often ch0ppy of course, also sale or ch0p and others... sometimes thumb$ when his router is working for hosting. DNA-Cell/overrated/str33tfight3r/ryan88/xBleedx/Ch0ppy2/Lambchips/Ch0pJr (all the one guy + 100 other akas) hosts sometimes too when he takes time out from attempting to develop a human personality.
It's my go-to "Stress free" map.. players typically aren't raging at eachother for being the weak link. The games go so quickly that even if it does happen everyone forgets by the start of the next game. It definitely has it's place in the war2 community imo
Sadly this is another sign that you don't really play that often, because theres a few assholes who definitely like to rage at their pards and blame them for their losses, although thankfully there is a bit less of this accross the server these days (yay!).
There are some really epic long chop games. Normally 10 - 20 minutes is common. There are some games that are over quickly if people get bad spots and lose to an early tower war ( same with gow etc ).
But the amount of gold available in the mines means that chop games can (and occasionally do) go for much longer than classic games ever could.
Personally I have been playing more gow than chop lately. I'm enjoying the challenge of learning something new, and occasionally scaring the crap out of players who have previously just assumed I am no threat simply because I don't have much experience playing that style of map... but this doesn't mean I have stopped playing chop or that I like classic maps better than customs - because I definitely don't.
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Sadly this is another sign that you don't really play that often, because theres a few assholes who definitely like to rage at their pards and blame them for their losses, although thankfully there is a bit less of this accross the server these days (yay!).
This might have something to do with the decline of Chop. The server overall is more open to returning players and people starting out now to let them into their games. Chop Farms use to be the only spot the newbies could get into games so they were developing new chop players. Now maybe not so much.
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Just played about 10 games of chop, including stopping midway to play 5 or 6 games of gow then going back to the chop game which was still going.
Sadly this is another sign that you don't really play that often, because theres a few assholes who definitely like to rage at their pards and blame them for their losses, although thankfully there is a bit less of this accross the server these days (yay!).
This might have something to do with the decline of Chop. The server overall is more open to returning players and people starting out now to let them into their games. Chop Farms use to be the only spot the newbies could get into games so they were developing new chop players. Now maybe not so much.
Yeah but most of the noobs we get in chop games are just smurfing gow players ;)
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Just played about 10 games of chop, including stopping midway to play 5 or 6 games of gow then going back to the chop game which was still going.
Sadly this is another sign that you don't really play that often, because theres a few assholes who definitely like to rage at their pards and blame them for their losses, although thankfully there is a bit less of this accross the server these days (yay!).
This might have something to do with the decline of Chop. The server overall is more open to returning players and people starting out now to let them into their games. Chop Farms use to be the only spot the newbies could get into games so they were developing new chop players. Now maybe not so much.
Yeah but most of the noobs we get in chop games are just smurfing gow players ;)
I guess next time I have to 1v2 you and strata on chop.
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Chop's extremely imbalanced, was supposed to be a gimmick map but then people who blew on classic maps decided to just play it constantly.
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@Lambchops I've probably got over 500 chop games on this account alone... another 100-200 on other smurfs.. And ive played it before "farms" was even part of the equation. I feel pretty comfortable with my understanding of the map. Victory (unless its 1v1) is much more heavily influenced by chance/luck on chop farms than any other map I can think of... but its still a fun map to play.. and seemed to be a good community for beginners to learn some of the fundamentals of warcraft2.
lets not try pretending the map is something its not
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I feel like this is going to turn into one of smeagol's "paintball is much more complex than gow" threads.. and I'm kinda done with those types of arguments so assuming u will attempt to refute every claim i just made about chop farms again.. we can agree to disagree.
or we can see what szwag, alf, player, braviet, or 00Steve think about it (probably others I'm missing) who appear to be not only top gow players, but dominate in chop as well.
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@Lambchops I've probably got over 500 chop games on this account alone... another 100-200 on other smurfs.. And ive played it before "farms" was even part of the equation. I feel pretty comfortable with my understanding of the map. Victory (unless its 1v1) is much more heavily influenced by chance/luck on chop farms than any other map I can think of... but its still a fun map to play.. and seemed to be a good community for beginners to learn some of the fundamentals of warcraft2.
lets not try pretending the map is something its not
With the greatest of respect sir, I have played more ef/classic games than that and still happily admit I am a noob at that stuff.
Just because I have played many thousands of custom games over the years I don't go making claims about GOW as if having experience in another form the game makes me some kind of guru.
I'm not interested in any arguments with you, I was simply correcting your incorrect statements. Like this crap:
i play it.. a lot.. the outcome of the game is pretty much always determined in the first 2 minutes in 4v4. 3v3 is over within .01 seconds if one team has no hops which is not uncommon.. I dont see many playing it 2v2, but in my opinion it would be a really good 1v1 map(which almost nobody does.. ever.)
Lets try not pretending that YOU are something that you're not - as far as chop goes you're a fkn noob my friend ;)
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Nice troll thread BTW tora :thumbsup: well done mate ;D
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Nice troll thread BTW tora :thumbsup: well done mate ;D
Wasn’t my intention. Was genuinely looking for the opinions of Chop players of the current state of chop farms.
Depending on the responses I was debating on playing and hosting a lot of chop for the next couple months.
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I'm not a noob at chop tho.. I'm competing with/winning against regulars like Celtics, frank, and choppy in many
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and the fact that top gow players can play chop occasionally and dominate exclusively chop players really says all that's need to be said about it... top chop players are not coming to gow occasionally and dominating top gow players.
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Nice troll thread BTW tora :thumbsup: well done mate ;D
Wasn’t my intention. Was genuinely looking for the opinions of Chop players of the current state of chop farms.
Depending on the responses I was debating on playing and hosting a lot of chop for the next couple months.
Ok, well TBH I think there's more people actively playing chop than actively using this forum. The server in general is a bit quieter for all forms of the game, but I don't think chop is specifically suffering more than other areas.
That being said, I think you should definitely play and host some chop games (farms, mad, jammin).... also some archer friends, some bgh (n/a, 2hf, mini) + some KOTR and even the odd free castles game for lols :)
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and the fact that top gow players can play chop occasionally and dominate exclusively chop players really says all that's need to be said about it... top chop players are not coming to gow occasionally and dominating top gow players.
Unsurprisingly some of the best wc2 players are good at both gow and chop (and a lot else besides). Clearly you are not one of them, and very obviously they are not just "gow players".
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and the fact that top gow players can play chop occasionally and dominate exclusively chop players really says all that's need to be said about it... top chop players are not coming to gow occasionally and dominating top gow players.
Unsurprisingly some of the best wc2 players are good at both gow and chop (and a lot else besides). Clearly you are not one of them, and very obviously they are not just "gow players".
Xdddd
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so lambchops (very rude.. so so very rude) how come i can go on literally any map/speed/res and compete with the people who play them religiously.. and more often than not excel their own skill level on their own map? friends, archers, hsc, nwtr, chop, BGH, kotr, gseps, pos, chop, maze, that new map all the [z] players are doing, mini BGH, chop jammin, taiga, every comp stomp i've played.. any map/speed/res
i make offer to you.. you pick/create any map/speed/res .. we 1v1 .. and after 10 games on it to learn the map.. then we play bo5 and if i lose series i paypal you $50
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and only saying this because a birdy recently made the claim that you possibly use them.. if it's a high repetition map like BGH or KOTR.. no macro type stuff/hardware modifications allowed.
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how come i can go on literally any map/speed/res and compete with the people who play them religiously.. and more often than not excel their own skill level on their own map?
I think it’s because once someone has gained some level of skill at the BNE level they have a foundation to play any war2 style map. Regardless of the variation or settings.
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so lambchops (very rude.. so so very rude) how come i can go on literally any map/speed/res and compete with the people who play them religiously.. and more often than not excel their own skill level on their own map? friends, archers, hsc, nwtr, chop, BGH, kotr, gseps, pos, chop, maze, that new map all the [z] players are doing, mini BGH, chop jammin, taiga, every comp stomp i've played.. any map/speed/res
i make offer to you.. you pick/create any map/speed/res .. we 1v1 .. and after 10 games on it to learn the map.. then we play bo5 and if i lose series i paypal you $50
Oh tk. Triggered.. so so very triggered, and still wrong.
Search this forum (including this thread), and anything else I have ever said, what you will find is a complete absence of me ever claiming to be good at this game. I'm an average player at best, even on maps that I have lots of experience on.
This doesn't change the fact that you made a bunch of very inacurate claims about a map that you clearly have a fair amount of disdain for, and not a great deal of knowlege.
Your challenge amounts to losing a debate by and saying "Oh yeah? Well my dad can beat up your dad". It's just not terribly relevant to the subject under discussion.
I'd happily play 10 games of most of those maps with absolutely anyone ... I can't remember the last time I played 10 games of my beloved archers ... but make no claims about my performance and the results would have absolutely no bearing on the subject under discussion. But sure - let's play some WC2, just for fun. I'd enjoy that :)
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How can two total scrubs like TK and lambchops pretend to know how to play war2?!
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i'd own them 2 on 1 in my first game back in a decade. sad newbie trash.
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tk > lambchops > sg > billionhomo
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lamb lets play archers!
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i wouldnt be so sure lamb... people like got the picture u make maps pictures from is like 500+ ..chops hopin i never can do that.
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lamb lets play archers!
Hells yeah! I'm always up for some archies :D
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I think something else to consider is that the map selection on war2 has become significantly simplified due to a small player base. For the last many years Gow + Chop and sometimes something like NWTR or HSC have been the dominant maps. Chop is great for many people but for some people it is off putting. Most chop players have like 5k-20k games played on that map at this point, making it difficult for someone like me to compete. If I have a neighbor, I lose like 90% of the time, making it less fun for me.
I've never given it an honest try either, but that's because I'm a lazy player. I'd rather not click on every peon to power chop for optimal gameplay, I'd rather not have super high APM to compete every game, and that's probably because of personal war2 fatigue. This is just me but I can only assume that at least some other people fall into this category too. It's not that chop is necessarily a bad map, because it's not, but the barrier to entry is high because the community is 'pretty good' to 'great' at that map. It's one of the primary reasons why I won't play. I'd probably be pretty good at it eventually and become like a tier 2 player at it, but I'm satisfied with Gow and customs like archers.
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I think something else to consider is that the map selection on war2 has become significantly simplified due to a small player base. For the last many years Gow + Chop and sometimes something like NWTR or HSC have been the dominant maps. Chop is great for many people but for some people it is off putting. Most chop players have like 5k-20k games played on that map at this point, making it difficult for someone like me to compete. If I have a neighbor, I lose like 90% of the time, making it less fun for me.
I've never given it an honest try either, but that's because I'm a lazy player. I'd rather not click on every peon to power chop for optimal gameplay, I'd rather not have super high APM to compete every game, and that's probably because of personal war2 fatigue. This is just me but I can only assume that at least some other people fall into this category too. It's not that chop is necessarily a bad map, because it's not, but the barrier to entry is high because the community is 'pretty good' to 'great' at that map. It's one of the primary reasons why I won't play. I'd probably be pretty good at it eventually and become like a tier 2 player at it, but I'm satisfied with Gow and customs like archers.
Except 80% of players after playing this one map for so long still have no idea what it's all about. For example choping out team mates, not taking gold and playing all in all the time which makes late game against them very easy. I managed to be top tier at chop after playing like 3 years chop when started playing war2 as a total beginner. All you need is to learn basic strats like 3 towers etc then you focus more on uc than controlling peons.
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Most chop players have like 5k-20k games played on that map at this point, making it difficult for someone like me to compete. If I have a neighbor, I lose like 90% of the time, making it less fun for me.
TBH this is exactly how I found gow.
Eveyone knows the map so well... all the spots, all the expos ... exactly where to build at all of them - even favorite hidden rax spots and the best spots for ot attacks etc. etc.. for someone trying to learn gow you just have to commit to being totally pwnt by everyone for like a hundred games before you can even hold you own enough to be useful.
Well that's how I found it anyway, albeit I suck.
I'd rather not click on every peon to power chop for optimal gameplay,
hehe yeah after a while you stop thinking about that.. for your initial setup you micro choppers depending on the strat, but later in game I just sort of automatically micro them to double-chop in-between doing other things. You really dont have to think about it, peons that aren't chopping properly just look wrong.
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Looks like with ouinthelegend back and he is leading the charge!
Well Ch0ppy does that but in the mornings my time. That dude has the record for most games played on the server. 45,000. That is crazy. I remember wanting to hold the record when I was younger but I am so far behind now!
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Xurnt, you could start playing that old 100% win map (similar to mini golf concept but open) where its the smallest 32x32 space and you do 2 vs 1 comp and record a win every 2 minutes and do it until you have thousands and thousands! That was how some of us would inflate stats back on east in the good ole days.
Lamb, I totally get it! Makes sense. But uh, when will you be on so we can try n get some archers games going!?!