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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 06:21:30 PM »
Blid connected 10 hours after your game was played.
The logs show him connecting banning disconnecting no other actions took place if it did it would be logged.
Angel fire used same IP that night he always does and I really would like to see what he has to say about it tbh.

I do not know what Tora admitted to but I know IL said the filesystem access was never granted to anyone else but himself and this is the only place you can access the logs from.

So like I said the only way it holds is if IL is lying about the logs.

As for them sharing account since Jordan played 5 different accounts and never used a VPN to play on these as well as his main aka I dont know why he would have made an exception for connecting to blid account...
And most importantly I dont see what he could do from blid account that he couldn't do externally anyways if he had access to the database in the first place...
And all that trouble to cover one stupid loss at a videogame? Who would go that far for one loss on a 25 years old deserted video game?

How about just unplugging and saying it was the dog or he had to leave mid game because there was something happening outside or say it was your kid playing the game lol.
Dont you think there are easier ways to go about it than going through all that trouble just for that?  :thinking:  ::)

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 06:04:33 PM »
No need to be rude.
How does connecting to Blid would allow him to check that something was covered up?
Also like I said the logs show blid connected and only sent litterally one command to the server which was to ban Lambchop and disconnected afterward.
If he had sent any other command during that time on the pvpgn it would have been logged there.

So like I said the only way this holds is if IL is lying about the logs. And I am not seing what would make that worth it I am sorry...

I am not hiding anything anyone can scroll up to see what you posted before...

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 05:57:37 PM »
if you have access to the database which is already a big deal. You can modify the data the site and server uses like ladder etc. But you cant modify let alone access the files in the filesystem where the server program the database program and the log files are.
These files are not a part of the database they are automatically generated files storing connection events happening on the server these couldn't have been medled with by accessing the database.

Also if you have access to the database you usually do not access it from the game you use a different site to connect to it and modify tables that way. So if Jordan has access to the DB he does not need to connect with Blid account what so ever to change things there.

I do hope you are wrong though and that not a lot of people have access to the database of the server like you said :P

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 05:50:26 PM »
I do not have database access though, database and filesystem access is a very different thing. (he did not give me filesystem access either he said he gave it to no one ever)

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 05:46:41 PM »
The thing is you do not have access to log through connecting to PVPGN you have to connect to the server filesystem to do that.
No admin can do that unless iL gives them access to it which he swore me he never did.
You would have to also use a different program to connect to it and when you are connected to the filesystem through filezilla or whatever it does not show you are connected in games.

These are two different accounts/places.

Just like the difference between your windows session account that you use to log into windows and the account you use to play the game. You can be connected to one without being connected to the other at all. If Jordan was Blid like you said and had access to that part of the server he wouldnt even have to disconnect from the game he could do it on the side...

And of course he wouldn't have to connect with Blid account.

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 05:35:56 PM »
maybe they did share accounts someday but that night I find it unlikely.
The only commands sent by blid was the ban and he disconnected after it.

If what IL said is true and no one had access to that log but him I dont see how if he did anything else it would show these are direct server logs all messages even the invalid ones are visible if you send random text to the server it shows there.
Also the IP Blid used was different than the ones 00Jordanus used.

Also how does it work to connect on Blid account to cover IPS?
Logs are not something admins have access to they are local files generated on the server by the server referencing each connections and messages relayed. The only way you can modify or access them is if IL either send the file to you or had given Blid direct access to the server itself which he said he didn't do ever to anyone.

The only possibility this holds is if IL actually modified the logs before sending them to me. I dont believe he would go that far just to cover someone who cant take a loss if that was the case...

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 05:21:29 PM »
Although I cannot clear IL from being some other player completely because he could have used VPN just to connect that one time to his blid account when he banned Lambchop.
His time of connection is exactly what mousey and he said it was. And he did disconnect just after the ban was done so I dont know from what the logs say he was not around when these games happened. All I can say is blid logged in only one time in the whole file, and he used an IP that never was used elsewhere for any other account.

As for the other players like 00Jordanus he played under 5 different names with the same IP but none of the names he played under used a different IP than his in the whole file.
Derber 's IP was his own and always is the same consistently too.
same for Xurnt
same for AngelFire

Apparently it was said back then that the game reports can bug sometimes and I for one certainly already saw some zombie games or games that show with the wrong names on the server so I dont know if that is really something that weird in the logs though names are very consistent there was only one game named "jordan wants one more".

IDK man from my perspective if the logs are legit there is not much aggravating evidences here.
I wish I knew what triggered all this but the IPS at least dont seem to show players exchanging accounts or anything like that.  :thinking:

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 04:23:59 PM »
I am honored that you trust me @iL  but your trust is your own and people like Bara here are right to have their own concerns or doubts same for the trust I put in you.
It is even better if you dont have to trust me at all.
That is also why I told you I did not want to have access to the server to implement the ddos protections we talked about and that you had to do it yourself. First because I dont want the pressure on my shoulders second because it is better to have only one person responsible of these things that is two times less people we the users have to trust.
For the logs, it only would take a few lines of script to hide all that stuff and next time if there is a next time you wont even have to trust me or whoever you want to do the checks for you.
Though like I said I sincerely hope you never have to  dig up stuff like that it is unpleasant at best...

That said I wonder what triggered the spook in the first place... I wasn't in that game so I wouldn't be able to tell...
There was history between these guys?
But you guys myself included asked for IP checks now we have them 1 year and a half after the facts...... But hopefully it still helps heal some wounds...
It wont bring mousey back though...  :(



How important winning or loosing at a video game must be to you that it litterally comes to this...
This hurts to look at... What a shame...  :(

@Harrywangs also worth mentioning there was one fail attempt  to log in from angel fire like about 20 hours after the game was played then immediatly followed by a successful login.
I doubt he would remember failing once to enter his password but well it is there. There was no failed attempt when he reconnected or when he logged in before the game I noted that too.

I am sorry if it was not what some people were hoping for but from the logs I was given this is what they say... I really did my best... As for Blid like I said the IP he used to login that day was never used before or after in the whole file...

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 10:21:03 AM »
Next time though you can run a regex to remove all whispers and private messages @iL (removing all lines that had /w /msg /m)
Since they are probably not needed for that kind of checks  :thinking:

Also because the search only relied on checking if IP were used for different accounts you can hash the IPS next time so they are not directly readable though there is not that much you can do with an IP alone still it is something to consider  :slight_smile:.

Hopefully it wont happen ever again but if you need to send that type of file to someone else it probably would be better to do that in the future :newthumbsup:

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 09:56:32 AM »
IL said he was the only one that had access to these logs and didn't want to spend the time himself. He only gave me the 4 month files of that period and as I said, I only searched for these 5 akas to check what it was all about.

It was a one time thing for a log that was a years and a half old.
I do not have access to these files at all besides that one he sent me once, and since I deleted the file from my pc I do not have access to it anymore... I would have to ask him to send it to me again if we needed to check something else.

First time he proposed me I said no but it was either saying yes and having a chance to know or saying no and we  would never have known anything.
IL trusted me with the informations though even if he asked me to be available for if there are next times I said no I did it once for Xurnt I wont do it again I dont enjoy wasting half a day like this often...

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 09:09:33 AM »
I asked IL to have a look at the logs from the time period all that shenanegan happened he said he didn't want to take the time but he trusted me to have a look so I did after he sent them to me...
I took great precautions not to read more than I had to because all the messages are none of my buisness.
I ran a search to see what IPS where used to connect to multiple accounts and removed the file from my pc after the search was done.

here is what the search conclusions are when it comes to the IPS of all the players involved:

IP used by Derber was the same he used at least 4 days before and after the facts.
IP used by 00Jordanus was the same he used at least 4 days before and after the facts.
IP used by Xurnt  was the same he used at least 4 days before and after the facts.
IP used by Angel~Fire was the same he used at least 4 days before and after the facts.

None of these IPs were the same and none shared any AKA during that period of time.

The IP Blid used to connect was used only once in the whole log history he connected with it banned lambchop and disconnected, that IP never showed anywhere else in the whole 4 month of logs there was. It could be a VPN but it was USA so IDK :thinking:

Final thoughts:
Angel~Fire was most probably in that game when it disconnected. He also reconnected after the disconnection and his IP address was still exactly the same it always was for him. The logs do show he changed his password a few days after the event though the IP address he did that from was also the same he used in that game.

So for Angel~Fire here is what I think is possible
1) Angel~Fire either lied or didn't remember or was wasted when that happened or didnt want to get involved in the whole thing (too late)
2) Someone in Angel~Fire's house used his aka to watch some games when he was away.
3) Angel~Fire should consider running all the antiviruses and checks he can because his machine was used remotely to watch some war2 (very very very unlikely, if you have remote access to a PC you probably wouldnt be watching war2 games with it  :rofl:).

That of course is if the file logs IL sent me were untouched but he assured me he is the only one person that has access to these files so that si where we are...

I would love to hear what @Angel~firE has to say now to be honest. It is also worth mentionning the only aka that used his IP is his own account during that whole period so he is not a sneaky smurfer.
There you have it...

I did that painfull lookup and took about 3 hours from my working hours because I thought I owed Xurnt at least to have a look on that and IL didnt want to do it himself...
3 hours wasted using scripts to parse these logs and make sure I was not missing anything weird.

On a sidenote The only weird activity from and IP in that whole period was Warbux MAN... WTF WITH YOUR FAILED PASSWORDS ATTEMPTS BRO LOL. Also one day in july you connected disconnected like a billion times for about 20 minutes straight wtf were you even doing @Warbux ? ;-)

Disclaimer: My search was limited to these 5 accounts and their IPS and the other accounts these IPS were used to connect to. I wont reveal smurfs all you may know is none of these AKAs were connected to by more than 1 IP.

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 12:46:42 AM »
That said if there is still history of connections from that time somewhere I would encourage @iL to have a look for who had stolen angel's aka or if his ip match with anyone else because that is not cool, wether or not it was a lucky guess it still isn't cool...

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 20, 2020, 12:33:14 AM »
Some dude could have guessed his password?
Not that it is much better but the rest though really felt like it came from a movie rather than anything tangible.
People wouldn't go that far just because they lost a game to anyone it just does not add up...
The logs Mousey showed, also did show Blid was telling the truth who ever he is and nothing else tied him up to that moment. I dont understand why Burnt wouldn't hear it? Why the fixation on Blid even if he did happen to stand there at that moment, does it make any sense to you? I dont know their history but wasn't Blid supposed to be one of his friends here?

And if Burnt was really hacked by someone and his computer or phone were compromised why did he not show any interest in cleaning his machine and making sure it wouldn't happen again? Would you not have completely wiped everything up and clean that stuff up before anything else am I crazy for assuming anyone would do that?
Am I alone here to think it is the first thing people would do in that situation?
Would you even care about your opponent accepting a loss or whatever or would you care about your whole stuff being compromised? It just makes no sense to me... No one would care about having won a game more than about being hacked...

And I dont believe someone in that server especially swift who we used to play on voice with (with Burnt), to be that stupid as to hack someone else just not to admit defeat in a video game it just makes absolutely no sense...

Not even jumping into the details of all the theories they came up with after that it just is insane at this point...

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 19, 2020, 08:20:47 PM »
A year and a half from now Xurnt you were the one guy I wanted to believe in everything.
I liked you so much you were the guy I was playing the most with and with voice chat...
I was looking up to you.

Then you melted down in summer 2019 I was very confused because I wasn't there when it all happened, I read a little bit about it as I came back and I confronted you I still have the discord conversation here. I asked you what it was all about and I was about to leave the server I told you man if they hacked you it was really bad and that we should leave it all.
And most importantly I really insisted you cleaned your stuff I was worried about you.

But then you told me :


I then proceeded to ask everything you told me to ask IL, and he said he had looked at ips and there was nothing shady there and that he did not understand all it was about.
So I thought to myself ok then and I kept  digging because I really wanted to believe you but man the more I dug the less it made sense so I gave up...
Tk was right when he told you if you had actually made a little more sense everyone would have followed you and backed you up, I know I certainly would have...

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Gold Mine / Re: wc2 utube channel
« on: November 19, 2020, 07:34:59 PM »
To be fair if my computer/cellphone were hacked and my credit card infos were stolen and I was sure it was related to my connection to that game I probably wouldn't be still here arguing for a guy to be un-muted one year after the facts...

I would have just left everything behind I would have gone to the police for them to have a look on things with all I had. And I would have completely cleaned of my pc from scratch changed my internet provider or asked for new IP. Same for my phone I would have just changed it all, and would have avoided that place like the plague but that clearly is not what you are doing here...

Xurnt I dont know what I ever did to you but you seem to really have snapped on me for whatever reason now I am not even going to try and understand that part... I remember the first thing I told you when I got back and you told me your cellphone got hacked. I told you to wipe it clean and same for your PC and to run all the checks possible. But then what happened you told me you would not even try. Because "it wouldn't change anything", I am sorry, but it would have... I would have believed you if you even had tried to make it look like you cared... In reality that is where I drew the line of truth from lies I could never believe you from there... Someone that really got hacked would not just do nothing to protect himself from it happening again... Sure he would be paranoid but he would have done something not just stand there and gesticulate like you did...

If all the admins are corrupt as you say, I probably would not want to stay admin or have anything to do with them either... I certainly wouldn't want to stay admin of that  place...

Most importantly so far there is nothing in any of both of your millions accusations and theories that goes beyond speculations, nothing that ties all your shenanegans to anyone here...
At best maybe there is a troll, and if there is a troll he could very well not even be from RU. What if everything you are going through has nothing to do with any of the staff or people that play here? What then?

But the more I read you two guys the more I believe you are making things up as you go like seriously its a spectacle... A sad spectacle...

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