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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 07, 2015, 01:33:10 PM »

Any good EF player would destroy me on EF GOW or F GOW or any BNE with any speed I totally agree with that lmao. However no great EF player would beat me on PBalls. Even Swift or Viruz given a month to practice would not beat me consistently more than around say 33% total or a bit more record win percent in PBall(So I'm saying I'd win 2-1) overall prolly. In fact back in 2006-2008 the Mother of my kid used to be friends with Swift. I have played Swift in PBall and I used to beat him when we played. Just because someone is good in BNES on EF or F does not translate to PBall skill. I would get owned in BNES on any speed by good BNE players. They would get their hat, coat, and shoes taken by me in PBall even with time to practice. Haha.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 07, 2015, 01:16:14 PM »

Lol Tk any realistic 1v1s in PBall would be done on fastest. Doesn't scare me at all though playing you on EF, if you wanted to beat me other than a novelty though you'd have to play me fastest but yes I'll play EF. Sly is literally one of the biggest jokes I've ever met on Warcraft 2. In the first year or 2 I knew him I was undefeated vs him in all PBalls. Also 45 Man, 80 Man, Team War 2, PBall X are far better maps than dk lol. He finally ended up with 5 wins total we played lots of games probably something like 100-5 lol. He is a cocky idiot as well who sucks dick at all Warcraft 2 maps and was a stupid bitch. I've beaten many PBallers 1v1 over the years all the top PBallers at one time or another: Murd0ck, Xcal(AKA: Fallen_Xcalibur), Cheaterhood, Real{hR}, Cs-Kirby, $Killa$Lancelot on and on. I have the best 1v1 record vs PBallers of anyone probably. I also have the best tournament record(in recent years) at 14-7 in 8-13 person tournaments with the next closest player being Xcal with 2 wins... lol bring it on =D .

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 07, 2015, 01:10:49 PM »

It's actually not even a realistic question or statement PBall could be better on EF. PBall is boring and literally a shadow of itself on EF. Ask any PBaller if they have or would play EF they would take it as a joke. The speed is part of the game and affects the strategies. BNEs are totally different because they involve buildings. EF on both games affects game play, it does the opposite of BNE maps in PBall though. It creates less usable strategies vs more.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 07, 2015, 01:07:30 PM »

No it doesn't become to too easy. It becomes a luck fest. I could still beat anyone on an EF in a game of PBall, in fact I'll do it right now if anyone wants. There is no illusion to what I am explaining. Controlling units is very different person to person in PBall the top players can control their units at a very high level, whatever ceiling there would be for unit control they are going to be at the top of that. It is not that more strategy comes into play at all, it is like I said about EF it just makes the game different but for PBall definitely not in a good way. It makes it so any strategy that is realistic and usable just becomes a joke, so it is literally whoever is better at clicking really slow moving shit. PBall is more of an action game the speed plays into the strategies and game play. You don't slow down a first person shooter game and you don't slow down PBall lol. I would still be skilled EF PBall it would just be boring as hell, far more predictable, and there would be far less viable strategies available.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 07, 2015, 12:52:02 PM »

Not what I said at all. The unit control in PBall has to do with not being able to react yes. There are many factors to that though, being flanked on the side in a total surprise and not having much time to react. Being attacked in two places by two different waves of units. Sending in 1 wave of units and when they kill that one, ambushing with a 2nd group in a surprise. Putting a unit hidden in a side tunnel and popping out once a front scout notices and it still moving. Also besides them not having time to react most of the kills in PBall are from footmen baiting. By putting footmen in front of ranged units their AI will auto attack the footmen and you can target their range. The strategies of PBall are more complex than just unit control example:  flanking, playing defensive, attacking on multiple fronts, mage rushes, retreat to small areas. The game play is fast paced though and you kill by ambushing, baiting their range with footmen in front of your range, and being faster and smarter playing than your opponent.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 07, 2015, 12:41:40 PM »

I have tried PBall on EF different times for a joke and it is virtually unplayable. Also most PBallers won't play games in lag because it ruins most of the skill of it. Rushes and quick ambushes and attacks are a big part of PBall and just reacting in a quick manner. When you slow that down with the speed or bad lag it just makes it very boring and far less skill involved. If you are going for a mage rush(rushing footmen ahead of a mage then fireballing) they are going to see as your rush slowly advances and can much easier place perfect fireballs and rip you apart. The same is true for any unit confrontation in a PBall game on slow speed everyone has so much time to click each others range. It ruins a lot of the offense of PBall because of slow it is all moving. It really just ruins the fun and strategy of it lol.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 07, 2015, 12:34:02 PM »

Lol Lance explain to me how I can make precision movements in PBall which is always played on Fastest? I have clocked myself with the fastest unit a peon/peasant which in PBall has 9 range and requires you to click every unit you kill. I can kill 120-150 or so grunts in 60 seconds with a peasant. I'm not talking about strategy or game play mechanics now I'm talking total unit control since you brought it up. PBall you need to have extremely quick reactions clicking on their men and clicking on their men when setting traps or baiting with footmen in front. PBall is all about unit control, not the same as in GOW, but the reactions of the units is the same. NO ONE has EVER played PBall on EF and no one would because it makes it silly you can predict and see everything they are going to do and have plenty of time to react with fireballs or a counter. I can control my units just fine on fastest and so could any PBaller there is a difference in Lat from single to multi in fastest that's true but the units are still easily controlled if you know how.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 07, 2015, 10:50:23 AM »

Yeah I don't think that program is compatible with War2Combat. Probably only works / worked with Warcraft BNE edition. Check out that old link I sent where an old player is talking about EF and F. A lot of that is how I look at it that much of EF or F is preference. I am not all knowing though and I admit you have more time to plan strategies in EF so most games are going to end up being better games. In my opinion though it's more preference but to me slowing almost any game down if anything would decrease the skill level other than more planning time. I am not a BNE player anymore and was never a very good BNE player even when I did though(12+ years ago), it's an interesting discussion though.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 07, 2015, 08:49:49 AM »

Also Blid how do I get WarExtraSpeed to work? I've heard about this program in the past. I don't want to try it out because I think 15x the speed would make a better game, I just want to try it and see how crazy it will be lmao. I downloaded it but when I try to click activate on either button while playing single player or on Server RU it says "error writing to warcraft memory".(Also I have the original War 2 BNE CD but the CD is old and shitty and probably won't install, I am using War2Combat.) Any idea how to get it to work or why it's doing that?

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 07, 2015, 08:31:52 AM »

Here is an old comparison from the battle.net days by a player who prefers ef, and talks about each speed(ef and f) and how they have separate player bases that don't agree with each other. I like his points, even though he admits he is an ef player and leans toward ef he still admits they are both different games with neither truly being better but preference. "I think what keeps the 2 communities apart is simple stubbornness. They each believe that the other game setting is an inferior style of play. I personally don't think that. I just believe they lead to 2 different styles of playing. Unfortunately people usually stick with what they grew up with, which is why the even faster crowd is much more guilty of this than the fastest crowd. " To me it's preference as well and I am no BNE pro but in most games setting the speed to the highest makes it harder. http://war2.warcraft.org/rants/fastest.shtml

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 07, 2015, 07:49:14 AM »

I didn't come here to "attack ef", just like your debate on PBall if it was Warcraft 2 or not, I thought that was equally ridiculous. Just like that, this isn't an attack on ef but something as I stated is my opinion, I wanted discussion about it. I am not alone in believing slowing RTS games down alters the game play but not because of skill, do a google search of game forums many people hold the same view. Also you are talking about speeding Warcraft 2 or games up with MODS beyond what is normal for the game. Playing on fastest which is included in the game is a totally different thing than modding something to speed it way up. Also to answer your question Blid why don't people speed games way up for skill and challenge? There are people who mod different games to make them hyper fast, then play and beat them as a challenge. Lance to say Blizzard included fastest in Bnet edition but never meant it for competitive play is kind of silly. It wasn't meant for ladder play but it was included in multiplayer and there is no where I know of where Blizzard said do not play multiplayer Fastest games competitively(as people did and still do anyway). Unit control not taking into account building is definitely harder on fastest and would take more skill. Look at early RTS games like Total Annihilation, Lords Of The Realm 2, Age Of Empires those games were played on fastest by most players. Also many people don't want to extend a game that might take a long time on fastest anyway. You can build the same buildings and create the same units on fastest you just have to be quicker reacting... I'm not bashing EF and I don't care what people play F or EF but to me more time for both players to plan just means you are given more of a chance and makes it easier to control units. It seems more a personal preference to play on EF rather than a thing that measures your skill in my opinion. It is for sure though that there other RTS games where players do not slow down the games.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 06, 2015, 10:07:35 PM »

Lol yes I have played Starcraft back in the day I own it and brood war somewhere. Starcraft 1 on fastest speed is not as slow as EF... There are many RTS games where slowing the speed down would be unheard of.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 06, 2015, 09:20:38 PM »

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/6246865293

http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft_version_history
^"Patch 1.12

New Features

    Changed Speed from "Fast" to Fastest" for Ladder Games. "

Starcraft 1 and 2 ladder games are played on fastest. There are 100's of RTS games over the years, how can you make such a claim that every one is never played on fastest(there are many that are)? When I just provided links that 2 blizzard games are played on fastest lol.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: There was a time...

« on: October 06, 2015, 08:50:42 PM »

Warcraft 3 is played on fastest speed, Age Of Empires 2 is played on fastest generally. Besides Warcraft 2 and Starcraft there aren't many games where people choose to slow the game down, like I'm saying its known to make it easier. It can make it a better game because both people have more time to plan strategies and execute them, and it makes microing units easier. Still don't see your point, other than you have more time time to plan strategies.

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Tournaments & Leagues / Re: $200 PBall Tournament Saturday, November 14th 9 PM EST & Ad Video

« on: October 06, 2015, 08:18:04 PM »

Wtf is this spam ^ ? Someone delete this crap? Go ask your question in general discussion SherylasKit if it isn't just total spam anyway like I suspect.