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Title: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 08, 2015, 05:09:35 PM
Hi, is it mandatory to deliver it? Personally I don't think so. Antihack, same as warvid, overrule the ss request in my opinion
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 08, 2015, 05:12:53 PM
The rules say you post a ss when asked, so obviously it is mandatory.

But maybe we should change the rule.  I assume antihack works to detect any hack that would be caught in a screenshot anyway, right iL?
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 08, 2015, 05:18:17 PM
nobody asked me for ss in months, i was just wondering. it is unfair to post all the bullcrap SS when anti-hack detects all kinds of mh and more.

this could also be turned to a good thing - an advantage for AH users
to conclude, i agree, let's change the rule!
Title: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: EviL~Ryu on September 08, 2015, 05:42:20 PM
O.o

Or just impose everyone to update and abolish it [emoji58]

Already got enough rules...


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Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: {Lance} on September 08, 2015, 05:53:26 PM
IMO, it should stay mandatory just in case someone eventually finds a way around the AH.  We all know that the SS is one of the best methods to see someone elses screen at any given time.  Until SS's can be ordered silently by the players themselves without having to hassle the person for the SS,  it should be mandatory.  I covered this in War2.us where a player in a game could force another player to take a SS and it would be autouploaded.  This is a feature I'd recommend that RU implements as well to get rid of this ancient rule ;)
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 08, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
i think someone so devoted to finding a loophole will never be caught by ss request. I, for one, would have no problem editing a screenshot AT ALL if i had the working, undetectable mh
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: tk[as] on September 08, 2015, 06:08:09 PM
claw you have already found new ways to develop a hack that isnt seen by iL's anti hack.. just take the SS so you can pretend you're not hacking
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: tk[as] on September 08, 2015, 06:09:16 PM
i guarantee claw's eyes lit up when he saw the anti hack for the first time .. its a new project for him to do. make a maphack that isn't detected by iL's anti hack
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 08, 2015, 06:09:42 PM
um... okay?
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: tk[as] on September 08, 2015, 06:11:11 PM
post youtube videos of the dozens of hacks you're made but "never used"
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 08, 2015, 06:24:33 PM
its for war2 council eyes only. I think ywfn is retired, so theres a free spot. PM me or blid for details
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 08, 2015, 06:26:42 PM
SS should remain mandatory, and AH should be mandatory as well. it is silly to suggest otherwise
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 08, 2015, 06:29:19 PM
but why hassle people with SS if they already have antihack saying theyre not hacking?  if they can trick the antihack they can surely fudge a ss
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: tk[as] on September 08, 2015, 06:42:01 PM
not if someone like claw makes the hack that fools the AH then gives it to someone else who uploades it to fileshare or w/e.

it doesn't take a genius to download/install a hack that someone else made.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 08, 2015, 07:07:05 PM
do you mind deleting that post so as not to give anyone ideas.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: {Lance} on September 09, 2015, 02:20:32 AM
Seriously?  What the hell kinda cheap shit is that.  That's like deflating footballs.  It gives an edge, but barely noticeable.  I guess that would explain why claw always knows when to rep rush/mill first etc.  Dirty bastard.  But now that the idea has been brought to my attention,  it's still possible to catch something like that.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 02:33:32 AM
I guess that would explain why claw always knows when to rep rush/mill first etc.
still dont know why you keep pretending ive ever hacked or been caught hacking

Im glad its possible to catch it, hackerz must die
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: EviL~Ryu on September 09, 2015, 02:35:58 AM

I guess that would explain why claw always knows when to rep rush/mill first etc.
still dont know why you keep pretending ive ever hacked or been caught hacking

Im glad its possible to catch it, hackerz must die

In addition to account stealers right Claw?


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Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 03:36:13 AM
no, stealing accounts from dellam is perfectly fine. do it while hes still around ;)
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Nox on September 09, 2015, 06:15:45 AM
Claw is like the most dumb hacker ever.

Dude try to over pass the anti hack and even ask us for question about it.

Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 07:41:37 AM
i actually stole dellam account months ago and hack freely on it. Dellam takes all the blame hahah. Hes desperately trying to explain himself to you here, claiming he hasnt hacked for a long time, but nobody believes him
Title: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: EviL~Ryu on September 09, 2015, 10:33:05 AM
no, stealing accounts from dellam is perfectly fine. do it while hes still around ;)

Stfu, don't sugar coat the situation. Your a thief, simple as that. You always think your above the rules. IMO your no better than USA~Archer.


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Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on September 09, 2015, 10:59:20 AM
i actually stole dellam account months ago and hack freely on it. Dellam takes all the blame hahah. Hes desperately trying to explain himself to you here, claiming he hasnt hacked for a long time, but nobody believes him

except hes been caught hacking regularily for the past 5 years
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: EviL~Ryu on September 09, 2015, 11:07:18 AM

i actually stole dellam account months ago and hack freely on it. Dellam takes all the blame hahah. Hes desperately trying to explain himself to you here, claiming he hasnt hacked for a long time, but nobody believes him

Who gives a fuck? Right let's continue with that idiotic logic of yours.

Man I can't believe what I am reading, you purposely logged onto his account to hack on the server? Are seriously this dumb? I mean you clearly know we have a hacking problem so why are you making the situation worse.


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Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: {Lance} on September 09, 2015, 11:25:25 AM
Thats what claw does.  You have to remember,  he's still got his chicken's brain on loaner until a proper sized brain can be found to fit his pea sized skull.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 12:26:21 PM
but why hassle people with SS if they already have antihack saying theyre not hacking?  if they can trick the antihack they can surely fudge a ss

you're operating under the pretense that if they can get around anti-hack then they can 100% of the time get around SS. that is not a certainty though.

Also, SS has other uses you may not be thinking about.

SS to see if you're being repped, have a secret alliance, etc. Also, on rare occasion people get caught tipping through SS
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 12:31:06 PM
SS to see if you're being repped, have a secret alliance, etc. Also, on rare occasion people get caught tipping through SS
request warvid beforehand if youre that paranoid. 0.00000001% chance of "catching someone tipping" isnt worth bothering 100% of people on the server

you're operating under the pretense that if they can get around anti-hack then they can 100% of the time get around SS. that is not a certainty though.
how is it not a certainty? Will it be a certainty if i post a step-by-step guide on how to forge a ss? you people should fuck off with the screenshots, i never liked them because theyre just a tool to waste my time when my enemy is mad that he got owned
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 12:38:33 PM
When someone takes 10 mins to send a screenshot, you already know somethings up.

mage spent years editing ss's, or at least toggling correctly, and then finally got caught years later because he messed up on an edit.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 12:40:17 PM
I'm guessing you're working out a new hack that is undetectable, but you can't figure out how to add a toggle feature as well so you need no ss's allowed.

also - if SS's remain mandatory, pb should not be allowed to make "mandatory ss requests"
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 12:54:15 PM
lets say an idiot is requesting SS in a 4v4 game. You upload after the game and miss your spot in a game - it starts without you. And if you join the game with the intention of uploading the SS after youre done playing, youre automatically considered a hacker.
The other people just like to spit on your face, pretend it was hackish or fluke that they lost. And some others do that to harass you, you named pb yourself. SS requesting is ancient and should no longer be the concern for AH users

Mage? i think he was toggling and got caught the 1st time he tried to edit. Toggling wont be allowed with AH. All of the known MH's wont work with AH. Mage was a moron.

I'm guessing you're working out a new hack that is undetectable, but you can't figure out how to add a toggle feature as well so you need no ss's allowed.
i think this was supposed to be an insult rather than a point as its too stupid to be taken seriously.


People that know how to bypass the anti-hack but can't edit SS dont exist
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 09, 2015, 12:54:25 PM
a thought: even if screenshots remain mandatory, people may stop asking for them for the most part.  I've played a few games since AH came out where I thought "hmm i wonder about this guy," so ive paused, said "sec," and tabbed out, to find the player had AH on.  so then I just tabbed back and said "rdy" never asking for a ss or even saying anything.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 12:58:30 PM
lets say an idiot is requesting SS in a 4v4 game. You upload after the game and miss your spot in a game - it starts without you. And if you join the game with the intention of uploading the SS after youre done playing, youre automatically considered a hacker.
The other people just like to spit on your face, pretend it was hackish or fluke that they lost. And some others do that to harass you, you named pb yourself. SS requesting is ancient and should no longer be the concern for AH users

Mage? i think he was toggling and got caught the 1st time he tried to edit. Toggling wont be allowed with AH. All of the known MH's wont work with AH. Mage was a moron.

I'm guessing you're working out a new hack that is undetectable, but you can't figure out how to add a toggle feature as well so you need no ss's allowed.
i think this was supposed to be an insult rather than a point as its too stupid to be taken seriously.


People that know how to bypass the anti-hack but can't edit SS dont exist


Simple fix to that is anyone who asks for ss is required to upload immediate proof right after game, if they want their SS. Also, people will very rarely ask due to AH.

Also, Mage had been hacking for several years and people were just waiting to catch him. I don't know what you're talking about here?
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 01:01:52 PM
Also, Mage had been hacking for several years and people were just waiting to catch him. I don't know what you're talking about here?

wasnt caught cuz toggle. finally caught after 1000's of tries cuz was toggled ON and had to edit ss. edited SS for the first time so got caught & owned.
No toggle with AH = no people that hack but suck at editing ss = no ppl like mage = nobody will ever be caught
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 01:15:25 PM
You shouldn't think you're safe lying just because you ASSUME people are unaware as to whats the truth of the matter.

Mage was one of my main rivals from like 2003-2009, and he edited several SS's.

It's also absurd to assume that all hackers are just split second toggle. That's a complete assumption that the community ran with. The fact of the matter is though, we all have run into the players who not just know all the key parts of whats going on in the game somehow, but also the ones who are automatically catching you unlusted all the time, prelusting 24/7 with no known merit to do so, always attacking the right bases, etc etc - if these guys are to be hacking they aren't toggling on and off real fast occasionally, they are leaving it on for extended periods of time. This is what Mage did.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 01:25:56 PM
true americans. You have devices that can tell you the % of alcohol in your blood after 1 breath, but you still like to perform the funny tests like walking in a straight line. Bothering normal people with your non sense just because youre traditional or dont know any better

this is what asking for ss became with the introduction of AH, and youre all retarded.

Storyteller swift, you accuse me of "lying", then say something like "he edited several ss". But only got caught recently, huh? Because everyone failed to notice his 'edits' beforehand. Moreover, youre a convicted hacker that was caught many times, confessed to it many times, while ive never hacked nor been caught. You dont really have the position to say anything like that, apologize to me now, little boy.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 01:26:41 PM
you can do that via PM if it hurts your dignity


EDIT: thanks :)
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 01:36:29 PM
true americans. You have devices that can tell you the % of alcohol in your blood after 1 breath, but you still like to perform the funny tests like walking in a straight line. Bothering normal people with your non sense just because youre traditional or dont know any better

this is what asking for ss became with the introduction of AH, and youre all retarded.

Storyteller swift, you accuse me of "lying", then say something like "he edited several ss". But only got caught recently, huh? Because everyone failed to notice his 'edits' beforehand. Moreover, youre a convicted hacker that was caught many times, confessed to it many times, while ive never hacked nor been caught. You dont really have the position to say anything like that, apologize to me now, little boy.

every time i got "caught" didn't count, because it wasn't for realz. however, you're just using that as a subject change.

"Storyteller swift, you accuse me of "lying", then say something like "he edited several ss". -claw

your whole post, and this is the only part with actual substance to the disagreement, and it's retarded. lmao.

It's like you're under the impression that for some obvious reason known to all mankind he didn't edit any ss's and I am lying to it. hahahaha. he was editing ss's before u knew what GOW was. After he got caught hacking in 2008, he basically ran me through his whole career - he maintained that he rarely hacked, but he also admitted to having edited ss's before.

"But only got caught recently, huh? Because everyone failed to notice his 'edits' beforehand" = claw

correct


Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 01:39:51 PM
ah this is stupid to get into detail with you when it's already established you'r wrong.

you said mage didn't edit ss's. meanwhile, he'll admit that hes done it more than once. in fact, there's multiple ss's around of him doing fail edits.

so aka, you'r wrong, and dumb, and bad at war2. end of story. i don't know why i added that last one, but it's true, so yeah.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 01:41:12 PM
every time i got "caught" didn't count

Another golden quote from our top2 war2 player!
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Nox on September 09, 2015, 01:44:56 PM
Im happy to be the man who hurt these dumb fuckers hackers like claw.

Without me, there no anti-hack today, legit players should give me a medal for this revolution.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Delete mine too on September 09, 2015, 01:47:34 PM
SS are a waste of time and most likely killed the community. Upload or ban.... like fuck it then lol!

To easy to frame people just un ally chat and ask for ss then take one of /ping

And they can edited so why even bother lol.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 01:47:55 PM
oh no, the arguably best player ever on our beloved useless mean nothing game is believed to have competitively hacked by a good portion of the players. what will we ever do!!!

p.s. i realize that by me noting mage edited multiple ss's over the years, that is kind of strengthens your point that it's almost impossible to get caught editing ss's anyway so why bother with them, but i don't give a fuck. I saw an opportunity to call you out as wrong on something, and so i fucking did it... because it's about winning arguments and not about finding constructive solutions to problems. so fuck you, I win. 1-0. it was an easy win and i took the opportunity. almost as easy of an argument as any with hassan
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Nox on September 09, 2015, 01:49:10 PM
SS are a waste of time and most likely killed the community. Upload or ban.... like fuck it then lol!

To easy to frame people just un ally chat and ask for ss then take one of /ping

And they can edited so why even bother lol.

Nobody cant edit ss properly, you guys are all moron.

I already proove it to claw when he was crying about anti-hack 5 month ago and telling us SS was perfect because we cant edit them..

Now he dont want ss anymore.

Dumb hacker ever.

Let me laugh, this guys is clearly an hacker and you clearly dont know photoshop.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: {Lance} on September 09, 2015, 01:51:16 PM
Mandatory SS's should remain a rule.  As a matter of fact, it makes complete sense to simply automate the process.  Either add a SS upload monitor to the existing pLoader or do what I had done and take it a step further,  add the monitor AND a command that users in the same game can use to force everyone in the game to upload a SS,  tag it with names and such, and put it in a nice jQuery gallery for your viewing displeasure after the game is done only to realize you got raped fair and square.  No hassling of players necessary and it upholds the mandatory SS regulation.

One question that I got often was this:  Why does it force EVERYONE in the game to take a SS?  Why not just a specific person?

Well,  the answer to that was because of this.  What happens if the SS never get's sent (IE: the player added ss.war2.us to their hosts file so that it always timed out).  This way, if 1 player's SS doesnt show up, then we can assume that they are up to no good.  So maybe you might be looking to SS swift,  but then you notice Claw is the only one in the game who is missing a SS.  You just inadvertently uncovered a possible hacker.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Delete mine too on September 09, 2015, 01:52:50 PM
Still dosent matter EQ.

The anti hack is out soon it will drop people from game and maybe another action that eliminates 90%.

Now when I finish my part and send it to il. It will find claw I bet 100% and any ass hole after him.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 01:57:44 PM
finding constructive solutions to problems
anti-hack is a constructive solution to problems - problem of hackers, problem of ss editing and problem of uploading ss 10 times a day just because paperboy is mad
Your stupid self-own cover still misses one thing - i literally told you there CANT be any evidence that mage edited many ss, otherwise he would have been caught much sooner. Get that? good.
Now youre turning it to a "he said she said" debate, and your entire post depends on a word of a guy who hacked for all his life, but in his words, "rarely hacked". it is scientifically proven that w2 hackers are pathetic liars, why bother? You lost and self-owned in the process

An imaginary concept of a ridiculously retarded hacker who can bypass the AH but cant find a solution to SS policy, outweighting literally everyone on the server wasting time for nothing... thats stupid! youre all stupid :(
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 02:02:07 PM
it makes complete sense to simply automate the process.  Either add a SS upload monitor to the existing pLoader or do what I had done and take it a step further,  add the monitor AND a command that users in the same game can use to force everyone in the game to upload a SS
i agree, if it is an automated process, theres no more "problems" with ss requests. HOWEVER, it takes a lot of work (probably much more than a sticky thread about AH creation, which hasnt been done yet), nobody will ever do that and then we will have millions of doubts about "security concerns". w2 doing stuff on its own, uploading shit without permission, y'kno. Shady stuff

@eq
there's been a thread about ss editing and i posted 3 ss'es. LB and mouse were able to identify first two, but the 3rd one was already perfect. and it took me about 3 minutes with no previous ss editing experience. Look it up
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: {Lance} on September 09, 2015, 02:08:39 PM
It takes a lot of work to create a file monitor?  Really?  Erm.  It's a 7 line process.  That's hardly "a lot of work" lmao.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 02:10:14 PM
id like to see everyone using AH first, one thing at the time buddy
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Nox on September 09, 2015, 02:11:54 PM
Still dosent matter EQ.

The anti hack is out soon it will drop people from game and maybe another action that eliminates 90%.

Now when I finish my part and send it to il. It will find claw I bet 100% and any ass hole after him.

Yes it matter because player will suppose to have the right to clearly see by themself if their opponent are hacking or not.

Anti-Hack is a good way to catch the retard hacker, programmar still can made their own hack outpass the antihack but maybe cant outpass the ss probleme..

I want the right to ask for ss even with anti-hack, because it's my right and there no anti-hack who can take that from me, sorry.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: {Lance} on September 09, 2015, 02:12:05 PM
Who's to say that it's not sending SS's on its own already?  (it would stand to reason that anything that's detecting a "hack" would also upload a SS for at the very minimum,  debugging false positives)  Is that shady too?  Is the AH shady also since it's poking around memory locations in your machine?  By your logic,  Windows itself is shady (which I agree it is, but you still use it dont you).
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 03:06:01 PM
lance, personally i wouldnt have any porblem with that as long as the updates are known beforehand. No stealth updates. And obviously someone trusted such as iL would need to get involved (which he is/would be, im sure).

Now when I finish my part and send it to il. It will find claw I bet 100% and any ass hole after him.
Since the concept of me not hacking is too hard to graps for 90% of people, i just say that i will never get caught. Either im not a hacker or im the best hacker ever and will never be caught. So dont get your hopes up, claw aint going down
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Nox on September 09, 2015, 03:07:49 PM
lance, personally i wouldnt have any porblem with that as long as the updates are known beforehand. No stealth updates. And obviously someone trusted such as iL would need to get involved (which he is/would be, im sure).

Now when I finish my part and send it to il. It will find claw I bet 100% and any ass hole after him.
Since the concept of me not hacking is too hard to graps for 90% of people, i just say that i will never get caught. Either im not a hacker or im the best hacker ever and will never be caught. So dont get your hopes up, claw aint going down

We really dont cares about what you cares dude, gtfo.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on September 09, 2015, 03:48:34 PM
lance, personally i wouldnt have any porblem with that as long as the updates are known beforehand. No stealth updates. And obviously someone trusted such as iL would need to get involved (which he is/would be, im sure).

Now when I finish my part and send it to il. It will find claw I bet 100% and any ass hole after him.
Since the concept of me not hacking is too hard to graps for 90% of people, i just say that i will never get caught. Either im not a hacker or im the best hacker ever and will never be caught. So dont get your hopes up, claw aint going down
Using hacks doesn't make you a hacker,  it makes you a cheater.

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Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 03:55:25 PM
what i find funny is claw is one of the few players of all time that is suspected of hacking by a community that also believes he blows.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 03:59:46 PM
well, in gow im above average when into gow mood, never been good or great, so what? i play it here n there, no clue why youre insulting a casual player.
is it weird to meet some1 who doesnt pretend hes good like all the mediocre players (eq, allstar, van etc)?
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Nox on September 09, 2015, 04:01:28 PM
well, in gow im above average when into gow mood, never been good or great, so what? i play it here n there, no clue why youre insulting a casual player.
is it weird to meet some1 who doesnt pretend hes good like all the mediocre players (eq, allstar, van etc)?

Are you really comparing me and allstar to van? What kind of newb you are.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 04:05:48 PM
youre the people that are easy to run over, yet make a big deal out of yourselves. thats why you made it to the list, i wasnt looking at skill exclusively. context would have told you, but you truly are a moron
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Nox on September 09, 2015, 04:12:24 PM
Nobody have skillsz anyway, they probably all hacks since ten years, skills is an illusions between newb and hackers.

Untill everyone is on the same patch client and anti-hack, nobody can be judge except the ones who use anti-hacks.

The rest are not even real players for me, even if you think they are best player of the world since the ten last years.

Right now, Warhammer is better then alot of peoples and deserve more respect then alot of peoples, because warhammer use anti hack while alot of peoples dont.

Gtfo with your fake skills estimation, loser.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 04:29:07 PM
claw - i'll still never forget that you came to me, a far superior gamer, and asked me what the best counter was to a certain strategy, and when I told you there isn't a definitive one you argued, laughed and were so confident I was wrong and that there had to be a #1 strategy. Oh what a huge idiot you were and still are. What's funny too is that you hold yourself in such high regard. I'll tell you what though, you can make yourself appear a lot smarter, which I know is what you want, by not responding to anything equinox says ever again.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 04:32:29 PM
thats why viruz will always be #1 and not you - hes a mathematician and he knows about optimization, while youre a 17-power peon cookbooker from 11. i wasnt asking for a cookbook, but for the optimal paths in a nutshell to, from what i remember, a 9/11 dual with outside grunts and the build i mentioned

you fail to notice little things like these, because youre not smart. you fail to understand my logic because you learned by repetition - 10 hours a day. i prefer to earn my knowledge by asking and spare some time, as i almost never play gow. still, i know im right, you think youre right and theres nothing youll do or say to change my mind. for realz. i think thats another concept you big-ego people cant grasp :(
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Nox on September 09, 2015, 04:37:01 PM
Nobody is better between swift and viruz, they both did nothing with anti-hack, they actually have no rank.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 05:13:23 PM
thats why viruz will always be #1 and not you - hes a mathematician and he knows about optimization, while youre a 17-power peon cookbooker from 11. i wasnt asking for a cookbook, but for the optimal paths in a nutshell to, from what i remember, a 9/11 dual with outside grunts and the build i mentioned

you fail to notice little things like these, because youre not smart. you fail to understand my logic because you learned by repetition - 10 hours a day. i prefer to earn my knowledge by asking and spare some time, as i almost never play gow. still, i know im right, you think youre right and theres nothing youll do or say to change my mind. for realz. i think thats another concept you big-ego people cant grasp :(

1. You said Viruz is better than me.
So here, go ahead and pick from any of all the facts that discredit such:
1. Games between swift vs
ViRuZ: Current 1v1 Record: 62 - 40
2. Swift 1vs1 ladder record: 1029 - 202 / Viruz 1vs1 ladder record 753 - 408
3. Go look up on ladder and compare 1vs1 ladder records of Swift and Viruz vs these top players and more: Wargasm, Poscow, Shotgun, Braviet, Jesk, Mage, Alf, Arch, khb, scrubbo, etc etc. Literally look up every single one of them, I absolutely obliterate everyone (most with 2:1, 3:1, 4:1 etc ratios), while viruz manages to have losing recs vs some and close to 50/50 with others.

At the end of the day, I have a lot of respect for Viruz. But as far as who was more dominant, it's literally no question that I was far more dominant than him by an unbelievably large undeniable margin. People can talk all they want, it's an undeniable fact though that I was considerately more dominant than him. Number 3 speaks for itself, anyone can do their research.

2. You said I am a cookbooker, and effectively implied that Viruz isn't. All of the very best cook book. However, you're an idiot again because Viruz is by far the worst cookbooker of all the great players, by far. He practically invented half the common cookbooks used by average players today. The build at 11? The build at 5? The build at 4? Those were all viruz's cookbooks, cuz it's all he ever did

So far you're factually 0-2 in this post, and 0-3 in the thread.

3. You wanted a counter strategy and I gave you a couple different options, but you said that you wanted a specific one, the best one. You argued that there is an absolute best and most efficient strategy in every situation. I told you something like "it's not really what strategy you do, it's how you do it" and instead of letting me educate you, you laughed it off and implied that there is one strategy in every situation that is universally the best. So yeah, now you're 0-4.

Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 05:24:55 PM
3. You wanted a counter strategy and I gave you a couple different options, but you said that you wanted a specific one, the best one.
You went all agnostic there, saying theres no such thing as the optimal strategy and you could make *anything* work. Which is why i ridiculed you in the first place. putting a "=" mark between all of the strats, geez. Youre truly an idiot if you think the reason of my question was to hear a generic, stupid "you can dual, you can counter dual, you can rush, its about outplaying the enemy" response. Magic 8-ball would do a better job

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it's literally no question that I was far more dominant than him
oh come on, we both know viruz has won every single important tournament vs you, eveyrone just knew he was going to win the festival. Facts. No legacy for little swift

keep counting the score, it's starting to look like you vs viruz record in important tournaments!
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 09, 2015, 05:28:03 PM
shotgun dodged too much to tell.  youre 7-5 vs him and viruz is 16-15.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 05:35:45 PM
You went all agnostic there, saying theres no such thing as the optimal strategy and you could make *anything* work. Which is why i ridiculed you in the first place. putting a "=" mark between all of the strats, geez. Youre truly an idiot if you think the reason of my question was to hear a generic, stupid "you can dual, you can counter dual, you can rush, its about outplaying the enemy" response. Magic 8-ball would do a better job

Yes, I did. Because every single bad player like you think there's some magical strategy. Here's something you do understand, every strategy's effectiveness relies more upon the strengths and weaknesses of the person you're applying it to, and less on the strategy itself. Here's something you don't really quite know, though you might pretend to understand:

There is no top strategy in any one situation, there is only temporarily dominant strategies”(hereinafter “New Strategy”).  In this game and others like it the players as individuals, and a community as a whole, prescribing to set limitations within the game that don't necessarily exist, and then other players come up with New Strategies that exploit these unfounded rules that others go by. Every New Strategy that consistently wins for a while operates on the assumption that a player is going to adhere to the current rules and limitations you believe them to perceive.

However, eventually someone comes up with a New Strategy that exploits the perceived limitations expressed in the execution of the player(s) using the older New Strategy, or; the perceived limitations held by the community as a whole begin to fade away or change, and so does the effectiveness of the New Strategy that once exploited such. You see it in every aspect of the game throughout the history of war2.

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oh come on, we both know viruz has won every single important tournament vs you, eveyrone just knew he was going to win the festival. Facts. No legacy for little swift

keep counting the score, it's starting to look like you vs viruz record in important tournaments!

I've won plenty of tournaments vs him, in fact I won vs him that very same day. So yeah, you're dead wrong again. 0-5. Either way though, nothing after 2009 really matters, It's like watching Ali vs Tyson in their 70's.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Nox on September 09, 2015, 05:40:08 PM
Imagine they both hack, Viruz is clearly better then swift.

They probably both hack too, where the fuck they are both since antihack out, let me laugh.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 05:41:53 PM
every strategy's effectiveness relies more upon the strengths and weaknesses of the person you're applying it to
and i told you we're facing Sepi with his cookbooked build i described you, a SPECIFIC player with strenghts and weaknesses. Still, you never provided me with an answer, but 8-ball crap. Point stands

So many words to describe "metagame". Here, add it to your vocabulary, you'll thank me later
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 05:50:19 PM
every strategy's effectiveness relies more upon the strengths and weaknesses of the person you're applying it to
and i told you we're facing Sepi with his cookbooked build i described you, a SPECIFIC player with strenghts and weaknesses. Still, you never provided me with an answer, but 8-ball crap. Point stands

So many words to describe "metagame". Here, add it to your vocabulary, you'll thank me later

It's something you clearly don't really understand still to this day, so I felt like explaining it to you.

Also, you were having problems with Sepi, but you wanted a strategy to deal with the situation as a whole, not just Sepi.

You wanted some magical universal strategy, which doesn't exist. All the temporary strategies that dominate are created by the top players, and gets passed down to the average players after they lose enough to it. Meanwhile, the temporary strategies that were working at the time you asked were changing like every 2-3 months. It was pretty drastic.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 05:58:00 PM
see, either i havent gotten any smarter or you havent gotten any smarter. lets put a pin on this one for another couple of years
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 06:33:39 PM
Blue/Orange = Close ratio comparison, with blue being slightly ahead
Green/Red = One player's ratio is significantly better vs the subject player
Green/Red = One player has a winning record, other has a losing or draw record

Player: Swift's Record | Viruz's Record
Swift          N/A                  40-62
Viruz          60-42                  N/A
Braviet       84-26            94 - 75
Lux      7-0     8 - 1
Medivh 12-1    7 - 2
Shotgun      7-5                 16-15
Lone          41 - 10               18 - 18
Koorb        53 - 12           37 - 12
BHC-Jesk   9-1                12-9
Startale     7-2                 9-8
Poscow     24 - 15            33-31
00Steve 6-1                          1-1
Tabac[man] 5-1                 3 - 1                                 
Tyrus 32 - 5                    46 - 21
its_hot 8-1                            0-1
jay-hawkerz 5-0               10 - 3
ehyo(valk) 12-1                1-0
wargasm  13 - 4          34 - 6
alfred[eur0] 12 - 4              6 - 4
rat 17-3                           25 - 14
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 06:38:39 PM
I didn't realize that I was that much factually better than viruz, holy crap

Only person he did better vs is wargasm, everyone else I did better vs (most I did way better vs)

if it weren't for even me being shocked at how much more dominant I am than viruz, then I would say that was a huge fucking waste of time to compile.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 06:39:42 PM
i can see green poscow at 24-15 (you), but orange koorb at 37-12 (viruz). i stopped reading at that point, call bias and laugh at you. do your math, lil boi
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 06:42:39 PM
The colors are compared relative only to the other player (me or viruz) vs that same player.

So for example, I am green vs poscow, because my record vs poscow is significantly better than his record vs poscow
And he is orange as koorb because he has a lesser record vs koorb compared to my record vs him

make sense now?
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 06:43:40 PM
and don't call bias... just take the colors out of the mix and look at the lopsided records, or just add up the totals for all i care.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 06:44:03 PM
oh, ok. so messy haha
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 06:45:13 PM
Yeah, I got a fucking headache and disoriented from compiling all that data. i have no desire to fucking clean it up. but basically the color differences is only a comparison between how each did directly vs that same player.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 06:47:38 PM
anyway, the games you listed are not formal, just normal games. And viruz is know for messing with hummies, right? That could explain the records partially. Such things dont happen in tournaments as everyones trying 100% in these
dont know why, but the ladder records seem to favour you!

btw: braviet mh in ur opinion? yes/no?
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 06:47:58 PM
actually fuck that, I do have the energy to organize it. i had no idea i was dominating other players over the years that much harder than viruz was. i'm like overwhelmed with joy. I'm taking this shit to Microsoft word and making it pretty.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 06:49:34 PM
out of that list viruz did fuck around with tyrus half the time, the others were relatively competitive with him. so you can take tyrus out.

also, you can look into tournaments as well - viruz got swamped in far more tournaments than I did, overall i do better in tournaments too.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 06:50:24 PM
excel, bitch! And have a third column: (your win/loss vs that player divided by his win/loss vs that player) *100%. Numbers greater than 130% could light up green whereas <70% could light up red

ANSWER MY BROVIET QUESTION
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 06:54:20 PM
nah fuck the idea of putting it in a word/excel document. you fucked that up for me when you brought up tournaments. you rained on my parade, and I'm too lazy to compile tournament data because it's not readily accessible like ladder recs and so you fucked it all up. i know i've done way better in tournaments overall than him though.

braviet hack? me and the people i usually play with all assume he hacks, but theres no proof and it's not 100% obvious like it is with say with sg, or mage back in the day
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: I hate naggers on September 09, 2015, 06:57:10 PM
i hate braviet. i remember playing normal people like sepi, alf, poscow, i could compete with them easily. And then theres braviet. its like a different game with that fella. i hate him

if i do anything other than him, he counters me always. and when i play like him, hes better with ogre control or always has 1 more ogre and its enough to snowball. fuck you braviet
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 06:59:44 PM
It's pretty easy to beat him, you just have to know a couple key things
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: GaNzTheLegend on September 09, 2015, 07:13:39 PM
Gotta fight fire with fire right swift?

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Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Winchester on September 09, 2015, 08:42:08 PM
Imagine they both hack, Viruz is clearly better then swift.

They probably both hack too, where the fuck they are both since antihack out, let me laugh.


They both have more then enough warvids of playing the game legit the same way they do in non-warvidded games.

Unlike you, who's never posted a warvid in his life and refuses to take SS
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Nox on September 09, 2015, 08:45:09 PM
Ive already took over 2000 SS before i know this hacking issue, fact is people where so borred to be on my personal ss website they just stop to ask me for ss.

Between 2004 and 2008 i probably send over 2000 screen shot dude, between 2008 and 2015 nobody have ever ask me for ss.

Also i have never use warvid because i was actually sure ss mean something untill i know it mean nothing this years.

Ive never use it because it was easier for me to use war2insight where i can clearly see whos build or spell hacks.

I also have over 250 insight replays.

Thank you anyway faggot.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 09, 2015, 09:03:23 PM
braviet has antihack now
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Winchester on September 09, 2015, 09:05:07 PM
i probably send over 2000 screen shot dude

Ever wondered why you got to 2000? Lmao you were actually hacking then and you edited SS

I also have over 250 insight replays.

Insight replays won't show you maphacking. That will only show buildhacking/spell.

Also i have never use warvid because i was actually sure ss mean something untill i know it mean nothing this years.

That's no excuse to not take an SS, and even if it were a valid excuse, you're well aware that Warvid is the solution, but never decided to warvid any of your games. You're a hacker and a loser.
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 09:52:24 PM
Ever wondered why you got to 2000? Lmao you were actually hacking then and you edited SS

You know that it's almost entirely unlikely that he got asked for SS anywhere remotely near "over 2000" x in a 4-5 year period, right?

Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 09, 2015, 09:56:58 PM
shotgun dodged too much to tell.  youre 7-5 vs him and viruz is 16-15.

by the way I compiled this whole thing almost entirely because of this post of yours. It took me like 30 minutes to do so, so I feel like you have a moral obligation to respond and should consult your conscience?


Blue/Orange = Close ratio comparison, with blue being slightly ahead
Green/Orange = One player's ratio is significantly better vs the subject player
Green/Red = One player has a winning record, other has a losing or draw record

Player: Swift's Record | Viruz's Record
Swift          N/A                  40-62
Viruz          60-42                  N/A
Braviet       84-26             94 - 75
Lux      7-0                      8 - 1
Medivh 12-1                   7 - 2
Shotgun      7-5              16-15
Lone          41 - 10          18 - 18
Koorb        53 - 12            37 - 12
BHC-Jesk   9-1                12-9
Startale     7-2                 9-8
Poscow     24 - 15            33-31
00Steve 6-1                    1-1
Tabac[man] 5-1                 3 - 1                                 
Tyrus 32 - 5                    46 - 21
its_hot 8-1                       0-1
jay-hawkerz 5-0               10 - 3
ehyo(valk) 12-1                1-0
wargasm  13- 4               34 - 6
alfred[eur0] 12 - 4          6 - 4
rat 17-3                         25 - 14
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 10, 2015, 12:27:56 PM
oh my bad
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: Swift on September 10, 2015, 01:54:54 PM
THANK YOU. thank you for that response!
Title: Re: SS request when your AH is on
Post by: iL on September 11, 2015, 11:09:22 AM
Hi, is it mandatory to deliver it? Personally I don't think so. Antihack, same as warvid, overrule the ss request in my opinion
Well, let it still be mandatory until ahtihack job is finished (a few months i hope).

Your status can be changed to elapsed, but you can miss that. Or some false negatives are possible (unlikely, but let's be sure)