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That's an interesting statement, Ogre.

So tell me, Ogre. Which friends hate me?


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Ogre the difference between lying and trolling is this.

Lying results in hurt feelings and impaired trust.

Trolling or play-lying results in "haha you got me" and enhances rather than destroys a relationship because it's just for fun.

For example, in our tourney 1s, Matty play-lied/trolled with the game and I fell for it, and I laugh and think well done, Matty, haha. It does not result in impaired trust or hurt anyone, but increases both of our enjoyment levels in playing the game with each other.

Ogre, if you are a troll, you are one of the best I've ever seen to have fooled someone as perceptive and trolly as myself. I'd say well done in that case lol. But I would want my money back. ;)

Cuz even now, I am 100% planning an IRL trip to the post office for shirts that I've paid IRL money for. (But I'm not gonna let you keep the money if this turns out to be a joke!)

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There's a lot of trolling that goes on on W2 forums, Ogre. People do this for fun and laughs. It's different from lying.

It looked to me like you were one of the trolls.

If I miscalculated and you are just...a bit...atypical, my apologies.

And if my instincts that told me I can trust you from your voice are correct, my apologies for doubting you. You just told me it was coming today and it didn't come today.

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@(DW)Ogre K, give me the tracking number then.

725
@(DW)Ogre You said Tuesday. Where is it? You got tracking, so check it and tell me where it is. In my experence, delivery estimates on tracked packages are pretty accurate.

I'm not answering your texts cuz I'm not getting them. I used a proxy (fake number) for contact and I don't log into that app unless I have a reason to. Contacting me on forum is acceptable, and by private message if needed. Unless you wanna tell me who you really are, I think keeping my distance is probably a good idea.

What do you mean you "lost your shirts"?

Maybe it was decided too hastily to send the box of shirts back. It shouldn't be super hard to get them back, minus the cost of shipping there and back, I think. If they are as nice as they look in your pics, they would sell like hotcakes. I guess I panicked from the huge amount of money owing on the credit card bill and shirt order receipt you showed me when we talked.

You still come across as really troll-like...I mean, hearing your voice was really convincing, but I can't count the number of times I've trusted people when they were lying, even people I've heard.

Like you spelled Antti's name much better in an older reply than you did now. You've spelled poll and pole both. It's almost like...with the inconsistency...your mistakes are intentional.

Suggesting that I'm on my period lol...that's just like...over the top maybe?

At least I protected myself by having something in writing before I paid but still, something feels a little off.

If I don't get the shirts and find out you're scamming me out of $375 so far, I will prosecute. And I have evidence.


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PS. I have character flaws. We all do. What's your point? :)

Antti, if you "don't like direct slander," why were you not the first one to defend LTFan when Claw maliciously lied against him, claiming he only watches games. That's nonsense. He watches some, but so do all players.

Why were you not the first in line to defend me when Claw called me a whore?


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@(DW)Ogre You already sent it, huh. Ok. I'll try to guage the community interest in the shirts to help decide how to pursue negotiations with the company once they receive the package. Do you want me to handle that? You'll probably have to give them permission to talk to me. If you'd rather do it yourself that's fine, but your chance of getting at least a partial refund is gonna be higher if I do it. Guaranteed.

To everyone in the community, what is the level of interest in buying shirts?

I will for sure prioritize XuRnT and mousey who have already indicated some interest and who have contributed so much to the community. I'll only have a small supply to sell from once they arrive.

And like mousey said, I'm on my way out of the W2 community as I'm going to be focusing more on real life. I just want to clean up this mess and then I'm off. I hope to be able to recover the cost of the shirts or at least minimize the loss, as I'd like to be able to continue with the tennis lessons I've really been enjoying! I don't think it's fair to add an extra shipping cost into the buyer price because of incompetence since by the time the shirts get to the buyer, they'll have been shipped three times. At least one of those shipping costs has to be absorbed by seller IMO.

Ogre, what's the ETA for my package?

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Claw's recent presence in this thread consists of an unprovoked attack on a player the community likes, and naturally, I like too, as he seems like a cool, laid-back guy who has also devoted significant time to teaching a number of new players and playing with players of all skill levels and generally being a positive presence in the community.

I'll defend anyone who I feel is unfairly attacked.

Claw then goes to attack me with *inaccurate nonsense, yet no one feels the need to defend me or call out inaccuracy from him. I'll generously assume this isn't due to cowardice, indifference, or misogyny, but because you are confident I don't need any help.

Claw wants to drag everyone down. People who are confident in themselves and their own character and abilities do not need to constantly attack others to try to feel better about themselves.

His attack on the community favorite is clearly motivated by jealousy.

His attack on me stems from an irrational hatred of females he can't have as I've declined his numerous invitations to send him dirty pictures of myself, combined with his feeling threatened by someone who can easily out-think and out-argue him on topics he likes to feel superior in, leaving him with only ad hominem attacks. Incessant spewing of "ur a retard, ur all retards" day after day, to me, is an indicator of very poor self esteem, poor ability to reason, poor use of time, poor ability to communicate with others, lack of concern about the well-being of others, poor emotional intelligence, poor intellectual intelligence, and just an overall unpleasant nature that makes other people want to go somewhere else.

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I was really looking for a low IQ, racist, semi-illiterate, humanity-hating chicken farmer with anger issues but they are dreadfully out of stock.

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He'd have the same stats if he played you 2020 times in 1s. The 20 would be from when he had to go for some IRL stuff or got bored of walking all over you and fell asleep. But I highly doubt someone like him could stomach your company for that long anyways.

@(DW)Ogre Answer your phone!!! It occurred to me...you said you want a shirt or two, I want a few...maybe others will want them too! Before you ship the big box back with most of the shirts, we should at least try to sell them to W2 players first! Don't send it yet! Just cuz Tora's trolling you doesn't mean others won't be serious buyers.

And don't forget tracking/insurance on the little package you're sending to my PO Box. You sent it using the fastest method available right??

I'll transfer other half when I receive the shirts.

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While you're logged in, scroll back to the post and hit remove to remove the entire thing or just click modify to change or remove a part or to add something.

Is now a good time to call? Dog walking time now and that's the best time for talking for me.

$5 vs $50 is kind of a big deal...esp. when multiplied by 150. I'm finding it really hard to believe you spent $50 x 150 = $7500 on W2 T-shirts.

Why not just have them shipped directly to me instead of to you?


732
Before you return them, though, send me a couple. I want a few, but not 150!


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i put the names you said xurnt it fits 14 names so i added some extra names not sure which ones should go on ok msg me to order your shirts or post here i think there 5$ each

You said they're $5 each.

150 x 5 = 750

You can't possibly hold me responsible for more than that.

And even this $750, I mean, I have no legal obligation. You have nothing in writing. You didn't finalize the order with me or confirm anything with me.

I never expected someone to actually order 150 shirts for some random stranger on the internet.

But I do feel sorry for you and kind of feel some degree of responsibility, so I am willing to try to work something out.

I think the best thing to do is return the shirts to the company, probably.

Your email address doesn't help me. I need a phone number or Skype or Discord since I'm not sending a penny to someone I can't hear to give me some verification that I'M not being trolled or scammed. And send this to me in PRIVATE MESSAGE. Not on forum.

I highly suggest you remove your email address from the forum because there are people here who can hack into your bank account or like who knows what they can do if you share things like email addresses. It's not safe to give out personal stuff online.

And you need to calm yourself down so you can think straight. I have a few ideas, the best of which is to find a way to return the shirts to the company for a refund.




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@GreenPlastic My apologies, Joe. I didn't mean anything by it. Just...you have one of those voices that makes people believe everything you say, heh.

And you know Kyle better than anyone!

You were very convincing!

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Ohhhhhh boy. O crap.

Wow...

Guess it's not Kyle!

And he actually ordered the shirts...

Ogre I thought you were a troll 100%.

The shirts do look really good though.

Listen. PM me (private message, not on here) a phone number where I can call you from a proxy or else give me your Skype or Discord contact info so we can talk.

Whatever you do, DON'T post any personal info of yourself or anyone else in the public forum including names/addresses/phone numbers/Paypal, nothing. There are all kinds of hackers here and you seem really like...well someone just needs to like help you.

Ok.

Ok anyways, why didn't you finalize and check with me before paying?
And like, you put like Koorb on it...why??
So 150 shirts at $5 each is $750.
O crap.
Ok, and why didn't you ship them directly to me? I don't want to pay shipping twice.
What is their return policy?
I need to call the company.

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