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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: tk[as] on October 22, 2015, 07:25:56 PM
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Chances are iL wont give it back any way. but it's worth a shot ey?
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I don't think iL really cares that much....he usually weighs on what the Virgin Mary has to say.
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ofc he does
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I don't think iL really cares that much....he usually weighs on what the Virgin Mary has to say.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEk0aK-GqR0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEk0aK-GqR0)
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i voted yes because we need an active admin. please ban kale every chance you get if you become admin, this is the condition of my vote.
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i voted yes because we need an active admin. please ban kale every chance you get if you become admin, this is the condition of my vote.
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Imagine if he was made Admin [emoji52]
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Need an admin that does something
Il is too lazy and unproductive
10 minutes idle =
Auto kick
I've actually versed players before (I can't remember their name). Who I've said to me "oh well now I have to go to work", and then they would just leave it logged on ,then I would log back on and see them idle 12 hours later
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Nopes. Unstable.
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Nopes. Unstable.
....still better than most. [emoji6]
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Need an admin that does something
Il is too lazy and unproductive
10 minutes idle =
Auto kick
I've actually versed players before (I can't remember their name). Who I've said to me "oh well now I have to go to work", and then they would just leave it logged on ,then I would log back on and see them idle 12 hours later
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yeah we definetly need an admin to kick your stupid ass of war2 server.
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Nopes. Unstable.
haterz gonna hate
how am i unstable? .. yeah, i might be a dickhead and speak my mind from time to time.. but as far as being admin goes i've been pretty consistent.
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Nopes. Unstable.
haterz gonna hate
how am i unstable? .. yeah, i might be a dickhead and speak my mind from time to time.. but as far as being admin goes i've been pretty consistent.
Duh.
You just need to handle your alcohol better, you light weight [emoji14]
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. yeah, i might be a dickhead and speak my mind from time to time..
Hehe, your lucky you weren't banned and had your server account deleted for that. I heard that happened to a few people [emoji16].
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I personally feel we should have an admin that actually plays the game and has an active roll.
With that said I don't see whats wrong with just having Blid as an admin.
Whenever I do have a concern he does answer.
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I personally feel we should have an admin that actually plays the game and has an active roll.
That's TK.
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Tk has told me himself he doesn't play war2 anymore.
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I voted yes TK. Though we had that pointless troll argument on here I still think you're a pretty decent guy at heart, I was just starting to get sick of that argument. Also in my opinion you were a pretty good admin. Having your admin removed had more to do with personal shit between you and others than anything you did as admin I'd say. You did say you didn't want admin anymore then they left and finally removed it after some drama emerged, so I kind of doubt Il will give it back to but maybe. Ryu is right though Il will probably go along with whatever Blid wants.
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Tora u were trying to get me to play ur tournament and I didn't know who u were. I've been playing quite a bit lately
Thx xsmeagol. Xoxo ;)
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also the story behind me losing my admin was for a combination of reasons.. but ultimately i was disappointed in the direction a few things were going and i ended up asking iL to remove it a few different times until he eventually did.
a while after it was removed i basically stated pointing out all of the stuff that was bothering me which pissed a lot of admins at the time off including iL which is why I doubt he will give it back
but im playing again now and involved in the community again and have already been asked by others to perform tasks that i can no longer perform without admin so i figure its worth a shot asking for it back so i can do the things i was doing before i gave it up.
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tk was a real dickhead to me during my first admin campaign, was totally opposed to me being an admin and just completely slandered me and flamed me. but just like i have reformed my behavior, so has he. And we're all growing up and learning every day. so instead of being like lance or knitter, i'll take a step in a positive direction for the good of the community. Since i know we are in need of an admin, i don't see what tk would be better or worse than anyone else, including myself. But i want an admin, which is why i wanted to be admin. so i vote Yes.
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tk was a real dickhead to me during my first admin campaign, was totally opposed to me being an admin and just completely slandered me and flamed me. but just like i have reformed my behavior, so has he. And we're all growing up and learning every day. so instead of being like lance or knitter, i'll take a step in a positive direction for the good of the community. Since i know we are in need of an admin, i don't see what tk would be better or worse than anyone else, including myself. But i want an admin, which is why i wanted to be admin. so i vote Yes.
You "Reformed", lol....right
TK for Admin yes.
You? Naw....nigga.
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Finally got that vote in, stupid Tapatalk really needs to be updated for polls. [emoji35]
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appreciate the votes. i guess we'll see if il has anything to say in regards to it =/
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appreciate the votes. i guess we'll see if il has anything to say in regards to it =/
He probably will, last I spoke with him, he was pretty busy with "real life".
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The current admin actually does nothing
Get somebody who does something
I don't understand how you can call them admin when they actually don't do anything at all
The ideas I gave them years ago and they do nothing ....in five years I have seen not one thing happen
Name one thing the admin has done in the past 12 months I honestly can't think of a thing
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What exactly is the role of an admin?
I don't see exactly what all of you guys want.
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i vote yess.atleast shit will get done around here
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Tora this is a subject that has was very big a while back it has been debated a million times. Mostly people want an admin who logs on more than very rarely, plays with and engages the community, and is available without email or the forum. Blid is good with doing what's needed once he's been contacted on here and he calls most of the shots. You rarely see Blid on the server playing and idling though, that's what people mainly want.
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I don't see how TK would be good then.
If that's the case it should probably by smeag or myself.
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I don't see how TK would be good then.
If that's the case it should probably by smeag or myself.
tora aka?
and the reason i have been a valuable admin is because when im active, im active. im on the server interacting with all players. if there are two players who cant seem to join eachothers game i take the initiative to ask if they either want me to host a game for them or if they want help trying to port forward. if a player wants a PROFI or SWARE icon i do it. if they want their stats transferred and it's not someone asking all the time i do it. if they havent logged on in a while and forget their password i change it for them. ... just a bunch of little stuff. im not a programmer or web designer ... i just engage with the community. all of it. i get in on gow games as well as customs. ill even get on some comp stomp games with sandman00. just someone online pretty regularly willing to help out and be recognized if someone wants that help.
just someone who is engaged with the comunity who performs basic tasks that most of the users seem to appreciate.
if there were other active admins doing the same thing and i honestly didnt feel like i was needed i wouldnt even be mentioning it.
if you want to be admin, ask iL. bring it up to Blid... idc. but i dont see how saying "i should get it not this person" is the right answer when everyone already knows i've been a valid admin. no reason there cant be more admins if others have talents/qualities the server can use. nothing wrong with that.
i just started playing a few weeks ago again and lots of people have already come to me (even without my admin) asking for help. ive helped with what i could.. i've asked the forums/blid for help with things i cant help with... but it would be a lot easier on my end to get the admin back and continue doing the things i was doing when i had it
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What exactly is the role of an admin?
I don't see exactly what all of you guys want.
Yamon just wants it because of a shiny blue icon.
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I don't see how TK would be good then.
If that's the case it should probably by smeag or myself.
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You clearly haven't been on long enough to know how much his guy did on a daily basis while on the server.
And Smeagol? Haha. Guy associates with known cyber criminals, takes money from them to host tournaments AFTER the server admin, iL, had already exiled him off the server. This doesn't even take into account his periodic emotional rages. He's no better than Yamon as admin.
TK had some drama a few months ago that resulted him leaving the Admin team because he was disappointed in how they were treating the community.
This guy is probably the best shot to help strengthen the Admin relationship with the community.
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I don't see how TK would be good then.
If that's the case it should probably by smeag or myself.
tora aka?
and the reason i have been a valuable admin is because when im active, im active. im on the server interacting with all players. if there are two players who cant seem to join eachothers game i take the initiative to ask if they either want me to host a game for them or if they want help trying to port forward. if a player wants a PROFI or SWARE icon i do it. if they want their stats transferred and it's not someone asking all the time i do it. if they havent logged on in a while and forget their password i change it for them. ... just a bunch of little stuff. im not a programmer or web designer ... i just engage with the community. all of it. i get in on gow games as well as customs. ill even get on some comp stomp games with sandman00. just someone online pretty regularly willing to help out and be recognized if someone wants that help.
just someone who is engaged with the comunity who performs basic tasks that most of the users seem to appreciate.
if there were other active admins doing the same thing and i honestly didnt feel like i was needed i wouldnt even be mentioning it.
if you want to be admin, ask iL. bring it up to Blid... idc. but i dont see how saying "i should get it not this person" is the right answer when everyone already knows i've been a valid admin. no reason there cant be more admins if others have talents/qualities the server can use. nothing wrong with that.
i just started playing a few weeks ago again and lots of people have already come to me (even without my admin) asking for help. ive helped with what i could.. i've asked the forums/blid for help with things i cant help with... but it would be a lot easier on my end to get the admin back and continue doing the things i was doing when i had it
Listen i'm really not trying to bad mouth you man.
Truthfully i'm really not all that interested in becoming an admin I just threw that out there for arguments sake.
As far as your previous history goes, I can't really comment on it since I have only really been on war2 for about a year now.
The reason why I suppose i'm kind of reluctant to having another admin on the server, is because we have such a small community and I don't see the purpose.
The main thing people are going to ask for is "I want this person banned, he did this and this."
If you really want it, and believe it will improve the quality of war2 I won't oppose it.
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Trust men I was admin for a few years and understand the ban requests ;). Banning players was one of the things I did the least... there are only a couple players that ever actually earn a ban
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Ryu you are acting like an immature emo joke lately that's for real. I was the one from the beginning who said Archer did the SQL injection. I told you before anyone and you told me to not act and swore he wasn't hacking. I have been extremely vocal all along in saying what Archer has done was idiotic, immature, vindictive, and spiteful. I took money from Archer? He sent me money for 2 tournaments the same as close to 10 other people lmao. I don't even want to be admin I've made that clear on this forum, I host these tournaments to spread Warcraft 2, PBall, and for people to have fun. Seriously why don't you stop being an immature emo retard it's not becoming of you. I had nothing to do with Archer taking over your channel, I have been one of the main people saying Archer was a moron and one of the first to bring up criminal prosecution. It is Il's server and his obligation and the admins to keep banned people from the server. NO ONE contacted me asking Archer be banned as he still plays on the server and when the issue is brought up I ban him and you still cry. I am hosting tournaments to help the game for fun, I seriously don't need your shit. Do something for the game yourself and stop criticizing and demonizing people who ARE helping the game. I never supported Archer and the things he has done were idiotic. Emo fucker.
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I took money from Archer? He sent me money for 2 tournaments the same as close to 10 other people lmao....
Problem with that is none of them probably have been banned for hacking the server. [emoji52]
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It is Il's server and his obligation and the admins to keep banned people from the server. NO ONE contacted me asking Archer be banned as he still plays on the server....
It's your obligation as tournament host to keep idiots like him out of the tournament. And don't act stupid, the Admins aren't tolerating him still playing on the server. He is still clearly banned, evident by his main aka still locked. I am sure you realize that also, so don't play stupid. The pball community is small enough to easily pick him out from anybody, also I know you his game play enough to weed him out. Stop being lazy, stop with the excuses.
Btw no one contacted you because no one on the Admin staff gives a shit about paintball. Sad, but true.
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Play dumb lmao? I know he is banned, but there is no one keeping him from playing lmao, don't kid yourself. He has used the name Crash3r for months the name has never been banned or locked. You act like it's my responsibility to keep this kid from playing on the server. The admins allow him to openly play as Archer on Crash3r, people play with him, yet you expect me to somehow control it. I already banned him from my tournaments so you have no bitch and your claims of me supporting a cyber criminal are just your emo rage over channel Evil. None of the admins care about PBall wow did you come up with that all on your own? No shit why do you think I host these tournaments, I have revived the PBall community a lot in the last year. There are randoms at every tournament and I already told him he was banned. Stfu with your emo shit, he said he was playing on an AKA, I never supported or said he could play.
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You act like it's my responsibility to keep this kid from playing on the server. The admins allow him to openly play as Archer on Crash3r, people play with him, yet you expect me to somehow control it. I already banned him from my tournaments so you have no bitch and your claims of me supporting a cyber criminal are just your emo rage over channel Evil....
Erm....no.
You just said it yourself that you have been taking money from him lol? Of course you are associating with a criminal, that's enough evidence. It is your responsibility to the pball community to ban this idiot from your events, the guy screwed the whole community over....including the people who enjoy customs.
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.... I never supported or said he could play.
I have PMs that say otherwise.
Guys been a headache for everyone, stop harboring the little prick.
All I am saying....
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You realize anyone can donate to the tournaments right? Also quit repeating your worn out crap about banning him, he's been banned. Harboring and supporting someone requires you to have knowledge of what they are doing and hiding it. You really suck at vocab don't you? Letting a guy who the administration allows to play into a tournament is nothing of the sort. Also when the subject got brought up I banned him, yet you still keep harping on the same thing "my responsibility to ban" he's been banned... Your point? I was vocal against him since the SQL injection and I had nothing to do with anything he has done. Find another scapegoat.
Post the PM's because I have them too moron. All I ever said was I was he donated and he has done nothing to me both true. The PM's are also littered with me calling him a moron and many more insults. You're a joke.
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Seriously you're a fucking joke Ryu. I once called you a friend but you're a shadow of your former self. You are going to blame me for what some kid does that had nothing to do with me. You want to start shit with me who has known you 10+ years and is only hosting these tournaments to help the game. I don't need your bullshit and drama. Go fuck yourself.
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You realize anyone can donate to the tournaments right?
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Letting a guy who the administration allows to play into a tournament is nothing of the sort.
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... You're a joke.
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Right....I am the joke. You need his cash to support your tournaments, why you keep enabling him, that's the real joke right there. Your pathetic.
The Staff keeps allowing him to play because there is no one to monitor the server majority of the time. Most of the Admins have either quit or are inactive. Your smart enough (that I hope...[emoji54]) to even see that. So stop using them as an excuse. Hopefully, TK will change that [emoji6]
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Yawn he was and is already banned. Keep harping on a worn out dead subject though lol. The cash you keep mentioning was for the last 2 tournaments and it was before any of this was even brought up lmao. You act like he is going to continue to donate after I banned him. You also seem to be struggling with the reality he is banned and has been since your PM's lmao. God damn you need a reality check.
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Yawn he was and is already banned. Keep harping on a worn out dead subject though lol. The cash you keep mentioning was for the last 2 tournaments and it was before any of this was even brought up lmao. You act like he is going to continue to donate after I banned him. You also seem to be struggling with the reality he is banned and has been since your PM's lmao. God damn you need a reality check.
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We should reinsert tk and boot all these useless admins at same time.
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You're Equinox, the epitome of useless.
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We should reinsert tk and boot all these useless admins at same time.
EQ [emoji3]
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https://quipvid.com/watch/Sdfkeo1m
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https://quipvid.com/watch/Sdfkeo1m
HAHA I love that scene.
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I sent iL message couple days ago. He has been online but hasn't responded.
Not looking too promising lol
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blid told iL not to do it ... blids still mad at me apparently.
maybe next year guys... sooner or later you're gonna have an active admin one way or another. <3
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FfJ89rGPc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FfJ89rGPc)
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blid told iL not to do it ... blids still mad at me apparently.
maybe next year guys... sooner or later you're gonna have an active admin one way or another. <3
I don't think iL really cares that much....he usually weighs on what the Virgin Mary has to say.
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i made the part about blid saying no up... like, i dont know it for fact, but if blid did say "yeah let him get it back" iL woulda most likely given it back
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Probably, o well sorry [emoji53]
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im gonna vote for myself to get admin just to make it look like more people want me back
thanks for the votes tho everyone ;)
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i made the part about blid saying no up... like, i dont know it for fact, but if blid did say "yeah let him get it back" iL woulda most likely given it back
you did indeed make it up as i haven't talked to il about it and he hasnt asked. im obviously not mad at you as we were just playing games of pball the other day with no problem. i actually am curious why you suddenly want to be an admin again, as it was you who got mad and quit, we didnt kick you out. in any case, theres a difference between being mad at someone and being sure you can trust their behavior. although il hasnt even brought it up anyway, since i doubt he'd approve since he seemed very unhappy with you, i dont think id recommend it either
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im active again and the community obviously needs one.
when i left i was extremely pissed @ the way things were going. even in my frustration did i abuse any powers? ... like, any?
there is absolutely no reason not to trust me and to even suggest that makes absolutely no sense. i dont think i've ever done anything that risked the integrity of the server. have i done stuff others might not agree with? yeah... and while i constantly fuck around on the forums, with users on the server (always have) .. there is something i always take seriously and that's authority/responsibility. in real life and on the server.
i want admin the exact same reason i wanted it last time... there are none ever logged on. the server deserves a friggin active admin that they can actually see
if there were active admins that they could see (Any) i would not be talking about this right now
but i already know what to do. i know how to help the users. i have proven myself to be trustworthy (or so i thought.. apparently not and im online and active.
im a little drunk right now so im just saying whats on my mind not sure how much sense it makes
if i were in charge of this decision or whatever i know i'd be thinking "ok the guy is an asshole to me and other admins.. but he conducts himself with the community and on the server... and im not really doing shit so fuck it /admin +tk[as]"
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here are the questionable things i've done as admin
1) i erased all of the IP bans completely and started from scratch.... my thought process: The last thing I want to do when i'm spending hundreds of dollars advertising for this server (which i was along with burnt) is have a broad IP range banned that could prevent a potential user from coming on the server .... and regardless of what we had banned, dellam (or whoever the fuck we think these people are) were just going to use different proxies regardless and the previous IP bans would be irrellevant any way)... might as well wipe the slate clean. the chances of those people going back to previously banned IPs was extremely low
2) i did /Ann Gow Ef! 1 player needed! or /ann Chop Mad 1 player needed! a lot.. possibly annoying but i typically only did it when the server was moving slow and i wanted to make sure games were rolling through
Once upon a time a user named Terra (of whom i really disliked) asked me "Hey i lost the PW to terra. can you reset it" .. without pause: "Yeah new password is 1234. make sure you change it asap"
i dont play these kiddy games "omg this person made me mad so i'm going to find ways to make their life hell etc.." i've always given equal treatment to everyone at all times. always have always will.
if u guys dont want admins then just say that
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even lightbringer .. i think he's a piece of shit for finding out people's passwords (including my own) and being a racist fuck coward who rages under smurf accounts while simultaneously crying people call him muslim... but i'm not going to look for ways to fuck him over. he's a hypoctrical racist fuck who abuses his powers. thats just who he is. if others are ok with that fine. im not going to change what i do or how i act because of his sillyness
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shit..make Tora or Smeagol (Even tho he sucks at pball) admin.. someone.. test them out. they both doing shit to host tournaments and what not... someone... but it seems like the only people being made admin are people just to ban people (lb and dugz) ... the rest are inactive after a month or two
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Once upon a time a user named Terra (of whom i really disliked) asked me "Hey i lost the PW to terra. can you reset it" .. without pause: "Yeah new password is 1234. make sure you change it asap"
What a feud. How did it start again? Way I remember it starting was regarding spaces smith + 2 walls at 2 in gow
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lol. i honestly have no idea. you're probably right though, i do remember that ... she wanted to argue in space's defense over his sh*tty claim and i basically said "no thats completely wrong and dumb" and it all escalated from there
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p.s. i did test the theory space was proposing and i was right.. his 2 build was horrible and saved little to no time, not to mention it was a quick way to die early game in a 12/2 war
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now i remember what happened....i was in a 12/2 war with space while he was smurfing and he was talking lots of shit. i saw the build and said somehting about him being a newb (not knowing it was space) .. terra quickly chimed in and started defening his skill while bashing me and it escalated
i won the 12/2 war when he did that silly build
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now i remember what happened....i was in a 12/2 war with space while he was smurfing and he was talking lots of shit. i saw the build and said somehting about him being a newb (not knowing it was space) .. terra quickly chimed in and started defening his skill while bashing me and it escalated
i won the 12/2 war when he did that silly build
This is a lie tk lol. You were a watcher and so was she. You have given yourself a win against $pace that never happened. He did lose the 12/2 but you and Terra were both watchers(and so was I). He was convinced it was a good way to get better gold flow after a certain amount of units/time. He was slightly right however the edge was not realistic because there are opponents. He was unlucky that he had a nib that game and it highlighted the biggest deficiency of that build order/placement. She did blindly believe that it was better and you pointed out exactly why it wasn't good in practice. No one convinced the other that they were right but the biggest takeaway from that is Terra telling tk that until he's a pro his opinion doesn't mean shit. Lots of lols were had by both parties and more importantly, you guys entertained me in an otherwise boring nib war.
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me and space did play a 12 2 war where he did that and lost
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all that matters is im basically right no matter how it played out
ive had a few to drink so i can make up whatever shit i want and its as good as fact
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Haha TK I liked that little I suck at PBall thing. Still above everyone else in tournaments and 1v1s(including you). =D Not wanting to argue just got a little laugh when you said that. As for the admin I really don't want admin. I would want admin only to help the game if I took it, but when I get on Warcraft it's mostly just to chill besides hosting tournaments and advertising I really don't want the work involved when someone randomly messages me. Tora would be a good admin though, he is very level headed and an extremely nice guy. If Tora betrayed the server in some way I would be beyond shocked he is very trustworthy. If I wanted I could be a good admin I'm sure, just no real interest. I just host the tournaments and advertise to spread Warcraft 2, PBall, and for people to have fun. If Il doesn't want you as admin I think Tora should be seriously considered.
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I've been on the server at least once per week the last month or so, and I haven't once noticed a need for a more active admin. the most players I've seen on at one time is like 10. hackers get banned relatively quickly, there aren't bots spamming, and everyone seems to get along alright. I don't see why there's a discussion about adding admins...
if you want to give Tora more authority to run tournaments, that makes sense. but what authority does he gain from admin powers that help with running the tournaments?
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Lol Hop we already have "authority" to run tournaments. The admins have been working with me and Tora on advertising our tournies and icons and we have been given the server wide announce command. You must not read these forums much because a 1-2 months ago and before that there was all kinds of discussion about adding admins. Everyone was raging there needed to be admins and there were big arguments over it was sometime around then TK quit as admin. Anyway it was a clusterfuck, but most people want an active admin. Tora getting admin doesn't have anything to do with tournaments just that he has proved he wants to help the game with donating cash, hosting tournaments, and spending cash on advertising the server. TK said Tora so I said yes he would be a good admin, people want an active admin go back read the forums.
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Tora seems to be filling Burnts spot while his gone with all the tourneys and money ones. I say go for it!
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TK has experience and is proven to be very interactive with the community. He is clearly the best choice at this point. So he quit, it's not like we haven't polled to re-Admin a ex-Admin. I am sure you all remember Yamon's poll thread. [emoji46]
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Exactly Winchester, I started hosting PBall tournaments in late 2014. Tora has been a friend of mine for a year or two and saw what I was doing and wanted to do the same for GOW. He has donated to both the cash ones I've hosted along with me and others (last one and the November 14th one). He has also put up all the cash for the GOW tournaments and spent money on advertising the server. Besides a bit of help from me he has done this all on his own with no ulterior motive just because he loves the game and wants more people to play and have fun. Tora is absolutely a great choice.
Edit: Ryu everyone has already said TK would be the 1st choice, but it looks like Il doesn't want him and Blid won't recommend him either. We are just expanding and supporting TK's own idea if they won't reinstate him.
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Well, that is not about my personal relation to tk[as].
The reason is tk can be dangerous for forum content.
Admin/moderator can remove/change more data than ordinary user, mod's job is to do it carefully, in coordination with others.
I don't want to be nervous every moment what else tk can destroy. So no, i don't think we should reinstate tk[as]'s admin.
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Another question is what you, tk[as] want from your admin role?
You never cared of forum content structure, you never cared about to ban someone on the server, so what?
/ann is not an admin privilege, that is not related to "tk[as]'s admin".
Deleting all ipbans sould also be discussed by other admin, it's not one person decision.
Paying money, talking to people, hosting tounaments are not tasks require admin role.
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Another question is what you, tk[as] want from your admin role?
You never cared of forum content structure....
Well actually he did.
He did edit a few of my posts to cut down the "flame" when me and Ganz put on a show for you guys a few months ago.
So he did care about forum content and did try to reform it.
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/ann is not an admin privilege, that is not related to "tk[as]'s admin".
Deleting all ipbans sould also be discussed by other admin, it's not one person decision.
Paying money, talking to people, hosting tounaments are not tasks require admin role.
Yeah I do kinda agree with IL.
Besides banning people what exactly should an admin be doing?
TK did say earlier that people want someone who is active and who they can bring their concerns to on the server itself.
If that's the case then the admin position on the server should be mostly symbolic.
I suppose I would take it if the rest of the community is really craving that type of symbolism.
Though truthfully the only other command that I am interested in is the Icon command.
Myself and Smeagol give away Icons for these tournaments as well. So it would be useful not having to email Blid every time
and waiting for it to get done.
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Icons. Changing stats. Banning users if 100% necessary. Changing or re-setting passwords (I've had to do that more than a couple times) and yeah being a visible figure users can come to with any questions or concerns including things like hosting or little issues that come up all the time.. just like with vizzer the other day. He came to me Cus he thought I was admin and didn't see any online, since then I haven't seen any admins online. Its safe to say his issue still might not be resolved if he didn't think I was admin.
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Bottom line is the community is healthier if there is someone there to assist them with whatever issues they might be having. I did that when I was admin on an almost daily basis and was happy to do it which is why I think I have so much support here from the users. They saw what I did and how I handled the admin position. If u don't think the things I'm talking about are necessary then don't give back.. that's fine. I'm just saying I see a need to fill a position I was in a while back and I'm ready to fill it if u guys think its important to be filled..
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Or give it to someone else who understands its a chore sometimes.. someone who isn't gonna slack off just because t becomes an inconvenience like most admins have done in the past. Its babysitting to an extent. There is no doubt about it
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It sucks when we get an admin that gets comfortable after a couple weeks and gets this "I'm admin, I can help who I want when I decide to help" attitude.
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All I ask is that if you get admin you don't out my smurfs anymore.
Also, once you get admin I want a money icon... just a stack of $100's
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I gave ur aka one time to myst when I was drinking. I apologize.
If I get it (I don't think I will) I will make sure you get an icon of a Benjamin if someone designs it nfp
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Well it seems IL isn't going to give it to you....So I suppose its probably going to have to be myself or smeag...
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And of the Master icon issue?
Maybe we should talk about this in private. I could potentially fund your campaign if you accommodate me in a few ways upon your election
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Man tora why don't u just ask for it. Whether or not I get it has nothing to do with whether u get it or not. I dunno why u keep implying the two are connected. U want it? Ask for it instead of "well I suppose if he's not... I guess I will"
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IL is still butt hurt about TK revealing LB's smurf(s) to the public. I which commend TK on such a transparent act, closet Admining is just a disappointment. He thinks it was a "betrayal" of trust, pfft idk how he justifies Admin smurfing.
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One second ur saying we don't need admin (in regards to me) next ur saying ull do it if I don't.. igdi man
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admin status seekers (tk/tora) and forum glory seekers (gn) are just players who were never capable of being great war2 players so they pursued other avenues to get recognition within the community.
but you nerds are cute
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I think Tora should get a special TD icon, for Tournament Director. Do you guys think that adheres?
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I don't care if admins smirf. I get it. My issue with lb was he was banning people for making fun of his Muslim religion, then smurfing and calling people fags and niggers.. not to mention he was looking at peoples passwords. He even told me what mine was... just fuxked up all the way around
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Man tora why don't u just ask for it. Whether or not I get it has nothing to do with whether u get it or not. I dunno why u keep implying the two are connected. U want it? Ask for it instead of "well I suppose if he's not... I guess I will"
Cause I don't really want it.
I want whats best for the community. You seem like you are really committed to this admin position so I suppose you probably are the best for this position.
I will take it if the majority asked for me to take it. But i'm not going to lobby myself seeking it.
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I think Tora should get a special TD icon, for Tournament Director. Do you guys think that adheres?
Yeah that seems like a better idea, also let me get the icon command.
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I think Tora should get a special TD icon, for Tournament Director. Do you guys think that adheres?
close...
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I think Tora should get a special TD icon, for Tournament Director. Do you guys think that adheres?
close...
Ffs!! Someone tell me what it means!!!
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For fks sake
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I don't care if admins smirf. I get it. My issue with lb was he was banning people for making fun of his Muslim religion, then smurfing and calling people fags and niggers.. not to mention he was looking at peoples passwords. He even told me what mine was... just fuxked up all the way around
What I meant. Smurfing to add to flames and bming.
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Well, I mean if you are asking if the icon will "adhere" to his name when you add it then that might work.
Is that what you were going for?
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I don't even know what I meant. I was just trying to impress everyone by demonstrating an impressive vocabulary.
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It's actually a simple and common word. It would be rather embarrassing to use it incorrectly, or to suggest that someone did not use it correctly when in fact they did. If you're going to use and talk about words you don't understand then consider bigger words, like economics for example is a bigger word. It wouldn't be quite as pathetic if you didn't understand that one.
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How does one go about learning what words mean? I don't know what words mean.
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The dictionary is no help because to define words it uses a bunch of other words.
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adheres to me TD for tora!
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The dictionary is no help because to define words it uses a bunch of other words.
What about adhere as a science??
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How does one go about learning what words mean? I don't know what words mean.
Maybe you should study a little more.
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Soooo... am I admin again, or...
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Sounds like you also don't understand what words mean. I believe that question has been asked and answered.
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It didn't sound like a solid answer
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This isn't me trying to insult so I hope it doesn't get taken that way, but my impression is that blid has and has had little interest in the game itself. At least not with any type of regularity. He definitely has a role in the community especially on the forums and does take care of the essentials on the server side when he's asked to which is great.. but if the game is t thrive the way it should be able ti, it needs more than that in my opinion...which is the only reason I've been pishing for more active admins.. and the only reason I'm volunteering myself is because I know its a role I'm capable of filling (I know damn well I can't fill other rolls.. and don't pretend to be able to) .. but if there's someone else who can and will do the things I've talked about and u don't want me for Christ's sake give them a chance. I literally wouldnt even be asking if someone else were already doing it
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Typing on phone btw
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This isn't a threat its just the way it is.. if something isn't done and some enthusiastic people aren't given the opportunity to do some administrative responsibilities soon I'm convinced this server is going to continue to go downhill... I'm not gonna watch it Cus I do love this game. I will throw 10-20k of my own into a new sevrr (split up between programmers, advertising, hosting, and even large cash tournaments to get the players there ) by this time next year if that's what I have to do to make sure people get the type of server they deservr
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I'd rather not do that. I want tha $$ in my bank accountm . I will tho if that's what it comes to
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I will throw 10-20k of my own into a new sevrr (split up between programmers, advertising, hosting, and even large cash tournaments to get the players there ) by this time next year if that's what I have to do to make sure people get the type of server they deservr
Lol
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I'm pretty serious about that
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Who knows maybe in another 8-9 months I'll will just sell it to me for a thousand USD
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The dictionary is no help because to define words it uses a bunch of other words.
+1
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I'm pretty serious about that
So you think having a server where you're able to sit in the chat with an admin tag instead of without one is worth $10,000 - $20,000?
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no. i think a server with proactive leadership who are involved and invested in the community and the game itself is worth that much.. it might sound crazy or a far fetch but ive been playing this game nearly 20 years (others have as well), im pretty sure i will still want it to be around when im old and gray. so i personally have no problem in investing that much money into something im passionate about if it means i will have the opportunity to be able to play it years down the road.
i honestly dont think either you or iL are passionate about it any more. i think iL enjoys the challenges of the programming side. i think you enjoy being a figurehead in the community... but i dont believe either of you have a true passion for the game itself any more.
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Ask Tora whether he thinks I've been engaged and let's see what he says.
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i honestly don't think it's a problem that neither of you are passionate about the game. that's not the issue. the issue is that neither of you seem to have much interest in appointing leadership who are passionate about it, who do want to be involved and help with the community.
it's just screaming "we dont really mind if this game dies.. but at least we will be in charge when it does"
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why? have you been smurfing? because i haven't seen a person with a blizzard icon online since the last time we played pball a couple weeks ago for 30 mins or whatever.
if that's the case i think that's evidence enough that you have no interest in filling that particular role of admin... that's a huge part of being admin. being visible so users (both new users and old users) have fairly easy access to someone they can go to with questions, concers, issues... etc
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man im really not trying to bad mouth you but dont sit here and pretend like you're actively engaged. i was admin for over 2 years and in that time i probably saw you on the server for a total of 5-6 weeks. 95% of which was under a smurf name.
that's no exaggeration. its obvious you don't have an interest in the game. i just dont understand why you're not delegating certain responsibilities to people who are. it's really fucked up
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if i were in iL's position that's exactly what i'd be doing: "ok i have a life and can't be spending all this time on the server... but i want it to thrive and do the best it possibly can. let me appoint some people who have shown a serious interest in the server, game, and community to keep things lively and active since i cant do it myself right now..."
"ok tora is hosting tournaments.. so is smeagol"
"this person is teaching players"
"this person is showing people how to fix their ports"
"this person is making icons"
"ok... im gonna give all of these people a chance. ill let them know what i expect and what is not allowed.. if they fk up no big deal, i'll just remove their admin and move on"
none of that is happening and it makes no sense to me
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why in the world would you NOT want to put people in charge who are passionate about the game
the only 2 answers i can come up with my own are
1) you ultimately really dont care what happens to the game
2) you just enjoy being the only ones in charge, even if it means you don't go above and beyond what is expected of you
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Might be time to time to give EQ that $1000 new server donation [emoji23]
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Icons. Changing stats. Banning users if 100% necessary. Changing or re-setting passwords (I've had to do that more than a couple times) and yeah being a visible figure users can come to with any questions or concerns including things like hosting or little issues that come up all the time.. just like with vizzer the other day. He came to me Cus he thought I was admin and didn't see any online, since then I haven't seen any admins online. Its safe to say his issue still might not be resolved if he didn't think I was admin.
Then fix my Dellam password that claw stole
I want my Dellam back
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I will throw 10-20k of my own into a new sevrr (split up between programmers, advertising, hosting, and even large cash tournaments to get the players there ) by this time next year if that's what I have to do to make sure people get the type of server they deservr
You just said not too long ago that you and your wife were saving up for a down payment on a house. So if need be you fully intend to tell her next year that home ownership plans got delayed a couple years or so because you wanted to start an online gaming server? I call bs
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I will throw 10-20k of my own into a new sevrr (split up between programmers, advertising, hosting, and even large cash tournaments to get the players there ) by this time next year if that's what I have to do to make sure people get the type of server they deservr
You just said not too long ago that you and your wife were saving up for a down payment on a house. So if need be you fully intend to tell her next year that home ownership plans got delayed a couple years or so because you wanted to start an online gaming server? I call bs
This could be from another piggy bank.
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Do you have a new wife Tk?
I ask because of this thread: http://war2.warcraft.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=468233 (http://war2.warcraft.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=468233)
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why in the world would you NOT want to put people in charge who are passionate about the game
we dont want to put YOU in charge. that doesn't mean we're against passionate people.
also, i'd still like to see whether tora thinks i'm actively engaged, rather than just take your ravings as truth.
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There you have it, TK.
Now you just need another 10-20k added on to your annual budget for purpose of ddosing the current server.
Lets talk interest rate, loan repayment plan, and what collateral you'll offer up
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@ swift i started a side business power washing last summer. i talked to the builder i wire houses for and shot him a bid for power washing the flat work (concrete) before the house closes and he accepted. he builds over 150 houses every year. its well over a 20k a year account.
@winchester no me and my wife have had a lot of rough patches. we're still together.
@ blid nothing wrong with asking tora but that doesn't mean much to me. i saw how actively engaged you were on the server while i was admin. even if you've recently become actively engaged, you're still running around on smurfs so as far as everyone else knows there are no admins online which pretty much defeats the whole purpose of being admin
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@ blid nothing wrong with asking tora but that doesn't mean much to me. i saw how actively engaged you were on the server while i was admin. even if you've recently become actively engaged, you're still running around on smurfs so as far as everyone else knows there are no admins online which pretty much defeats the whole purpose of being admin
That's the problem, no active staff member that new players can see when they log on.
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why not just make a poll
"How often do you see admins on server.war2.ru?"
1) daily
2) weekly
3) bi weekly
4) monthly
5) bi monthly
6) maybe once every 4-6 months
if they're not on the forums, and you never log on as blid, who the hell are users supposed to go to for issues?
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i never said anything because i just figured i'd do what i could and not ruffle any feathers.. but you literally are the "ball and chain" around this server blid. You do nothing substantial for the server. you sit on the forums, move some threads around, ban someone if they go way over board, and if someone is lucky enough to magically get a hold of you then you'll take care of some shit on the server side.
For whatever reason iL seems to have chosen you for his right hand man (maybe because you paid for the server a couple years ago before the host switch when it was $5 amonth.) and your opinion seems to strongly influence all decisions made, which is horrible because like i said you don't do much. I'm not saying that to be mean, it's just the way it is. That's why I gave up admin. I cant even begin to explain how frustrating it was knowing that someone who had so much influence over the direction the server was going didn't even give a shit about the game.
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yeah agreed ryu. it's one thing to smurf occasionally as admin.. but to do it the vast majority of the time just to avoid the responsibilities of being an admin.. why are you an admin blid? honestly. why
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anytime ive needed blid to do something he has responded in under 30 minutes. case closed no new admins needed
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I'm going to tell you something Tk.
Blid is by far the most level headed person on this server. Even now on this thread has he once disrespected you?
Before I started hosting all these tournaments I pmed Blid and asked him what he thought about my idea to host cash tournaments, in order to promote user activity on the server. He has been more than helpful.
Its like Ltfan just said whenever you have an issue and u email Blid he always responds in a timely manner.
Your taking this whole admin thing way to far man. Your not helping yourself or the server but continuing this discussion anymore.
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@ swift i started a side business power washing last summer. i talked to the builder i wire houses for and shot him a bid for power washing the flat work (concrete) before the house closes and he accepted. he builds over 150 houses every year. its well over a 20k a year account.
awesome, congrats. the time and work that is involved with power washing is often underestimated by people who aren't in the industry. People don't really understand how much it takes. I hire people to power wash my mansion every month and i've yet to see them get it all done within one day
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if i were in iL's position that's exactly what i'd be doing: "ok i have a life and can't be spending all this time on the server... but i want it to thrive and do the best it possibly can. let me appoint some people who have shown a serious interest in the server, game, and community to keep things lively and active since i cant do it myself right now..."
"ok tora is hosting tournaments.. so is smeagol"
"this person is teaching players"
"this person is showing people how to fix their ports"
"this person is making icons"
"ok... im gonna give all of these people a chance. ill let them know what i expect and what is not allowed.. if they fk up no big deal, i'll just remove their admin and move on"
none of that is happening and it makes no sense to me
If your serious about helping the community,
Why not just start doing these things that you just stated?
Like you just said myself and smeag are hosting tourneys.
Why not look for somebody to help train new players, as well as fix peoples ports.
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Blid is by far the most level headed person on this server.
he definitely comes across as a very level headed person. however, how could you know how level headed every single person on the server is?
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Blid is by far the most level headed person on this server.
he definitely comes across as a very level headed person. however, how could you know how level headed every single person on the server is?
Your a smart guy i'm sure you understand what I am trying to say.
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Still waiting for Dellam nick to be reinstated
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I'm going to tell you something Tk.
Blid is by far the most level headed person on this server. Even now on this thread has he once disrespected you?
Before I started hosting all these tournaments I pmed Blid and asked him what he thought about my idea to host cash tournaments, in order to promote user activity on the server. He has been more than helpful.
Its like Ltfan just said whenever you have an issue and u email Blid he always responds in a timely manner.
Your taking this whole admin thing way to far man. Your not helping yourself or the server but continuing this discussion anymore.
uve been on the server 1 year .. u havent seen what the server was like 3, 5, 7 years ago. i would probably feel the same you feel now if i didnt know the history of what has happened, why its happened, and what could have been done to change some of it
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The reason why I said to check with Tora is because he's the guy that's currently trying to do something for the server with his monthly tournaments so I figured he would be a good person to check in with.
Besides talking with him about his project, I've updated the icons for all his tournament winners, and I also had the idea of changing the banner in the lobby to advertise his tournaments. I created a banner and got it into right archaic format so it could be used and Mousetopher installed it. I also then played in the tourney and am signed up for the doubles tourney currently. That all just seems to speak to me being engaged, imo, which is the opposite of what you've been saying here.
What I would recommend for you, tk, if you want to greet and help newbies or whatever, get an [AS] clan tag and help train and recruit players to your clan. The tag is a good carrot to dangle in front of them too to get them going.
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and u dont know blid very well know because he rages just as hard as the best of them at times... probably one of the reason he smurfs when he plays.
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If someone wants to be the guy to sit in the channel with a Blizzard icon, I'm certainly fine with that too if the right person comes along who wants to do it.
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im done beating this dead horse. hopefully u guys give some responsibilities to people who are trying to keep this game alive. if not ill drop the cash to do it myself next year
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Like, let's see. We didn't get along super great but I made you an admin and you were admin until you rage quit. I've made Lightbringer, foonat, and electrified-ice admins. I even gave Yamon a shot. One of the reasons we're here on this new forum is because I trusted Mousetopher and accepted her help when a lot of people were telling me not to do it because she was probably secretly Lance or a Lance-ally or whatever. My point is that I'm not one to frequently turn away people who want to help.
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no. the reason we're on this forum is because i pushed for a new one for months because new users could not join the old forum and finally said "If there isn't a new forum by janurary first im launching my own" ... and nobody wanted a new forum they weren't in charge of so they their shit into high gear and made a new forum. thats why this forum is here right now
the forum i made ---> http://warcraft2.nstars.org/ (http://warcraft2.nstars.org/)
one of the threads i brought it up ----> http://war2.warcraft.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=469717&highlight=#469717 (http://war2.warcraft.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=469717&highlight=#469717)
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so tora, smeagol, evil, and any other users who have never been to warcraft.war2.org ... you're welcome.
without me starting a new forum and people being afraid they would not have power over it this one never would have been made and you would only be able to look at the conversations we were having on the old forum, not actually being able to participate in it
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that goes back to some of the history i was talking about tora. you dont understand it.
iL and blid seemed perfectly content talking on an old forum that no new users could participate in ..
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i encourage you to look through that old forum ... this whole game would have died without people screaming at iL and blid to start doing shit. up until like 2-3 years ago iL was nowhere to be seen ever. but around the same time shit got so crazy that $pace and Lance made a brand new server with all kinds of updates that users had been BEGGING for, iL showed up and starting going to work and making improvements to the curent server.
thats how shit works around here. nothing gets done and nobody takes initiative until people go rogue and finally decide "well shit, they're not going to do anything, so i will" ... thats why other people made a new war2 server. thats why i made a new forum. nothing was getting done ... but once the new server was made they finally started making improvements to this one. once i made a new forum they finally made a new one that new users could participate in
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they are doing the bare minimum to keep users content so they don't lose control over everything. the last thing they want is someone more enthusiastic with more ambition than them to take over... leaving them in a position of being just regular old users that used to be in charge of the war2 community
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that goes back to some of the history i was talking about tora. you dont understand it.
iL and blid seemed perfectly content talking on an old forum that no new users could participate in ..
TK,
At the end of the day this isnt about you or me or Blid.
This is about what's best for War2,
Do you really think launching a 2nd war2 server is best for this game.? When we have so few players.
Your not helping the server by rambling anymore about this.
If you really wanna help the server how about you help me promote my tourneys to some old players.
Or how about you have weekly training sessions with new players.
If you want I can lend you one of my bots to greet the new players.
Or I'm sure Blid wouldn't refuse to give you a /Ann command if he saw you were serious about training new players.
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if i didnt think it would help the community i wouldnt even consider it
but yeah. i think if i can throw:
$5,000 down to hire the right people to get a new server/forum up and running and some other extras the community has been asking for
$5,000 for advertising between social networking, maybe ICCUP like ganz talked about, or any other places it might be beneficial
$5000 for maybe 2-3 different tournaments to draw new and old users to the server
and then some other cash here or there to get a nice ladder going, a nice page going, or any other expenses that might be needed
.. yeah it would be great for the community.
not to mention giving admin to a handful of people with some real enthusiasm and vision without putting a leash on them
this game could EASILY go from a 200 member active user base to at least double that in just a few months.. and maybe even triple or more
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if i didnt think it would help the community i wouldnt even consider it
but yeah. i think if i can throw:
$5,000 down to hire the right people to get a new server/forum up and running and some other extras the community has been asking for
$5,000 for advertising between social networking, maybe ICCUP like ganz talked about, or any other places it might be beneficial
$5000 for maybe 2-3 different tournaments to draw new and old users to the server
and then some other cash here or there to get a nice ladder going, a nice page going, or any other expenses that might be needed
.. yeah it would be great for the community.
not to mention giving admin to a handful of people with some real enthusiasm and vision without putting a leash on them
this game could EASILY go from a 200 member active user base to at least double that in just a few months.. and maybe even triple or more
You know what Tk if you really believe in that project you should do it.
I hope it works out for you.
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if you're still around and still doing what you're doing it's gonna work out for you too.. an admin position will be offered
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.. or anyone else who seems to be doing things to build the community.. regardless of whether i personally like them or not
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so tora, smeagol, evil, and any other users who have never been to warcraft.war2.org ... you're welcome.
Heh.,
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war2.warcraft.org
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oh I didn't actually notice that, I was just laughing at you taking a bow for Mousey's work
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I'm not. I'm saying I out together a working forum and that's what finally got the ball rolling to allow her to do it.. u taking credit is more laughable. You said "OK mouse" where as I actually took the time to put a forum together
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I'm not taking credit, I'm pointing to it as an example of how I don't turn away people that want to help. You literally told everyone to thank you for this forum you have nothing to do with.
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I'm the primary reason were not on the old forums. I was the one pushing for a new one and eventually made one. If we weren't on this forum we would have been on the one I started working on. So yeah mouse put this one together but if not we would have had another one to go to.. and the only reason this one prevailed was because of the URL and the fact u and I'll saw an opportunity to have control over that u didn't want others to spear head
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so tora, smeagol, evil, and any other users who have never been to warcraft.war2.org ... you're welcome.
Heh.,
[emoji23]
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I'm the primary reason were not on the old forums. I was the one pushing for a new one and eventually made one. If we weren't on this forum we would have been on the one I started working on. So yeah mouse put this one together but if not we would have had another one to go to.. and the only reason this one prevailed was because of the URL and the fact u and I'll saw an opportunity to have control over that u didn't want others to spear head
Lol that is the funny thing, they all say mouse did this and that to get this great forum up and running. But in reality anyone could have done it if they had iL's support behind them. Only reason I came here was because my name got locked when I tried to change emails on the old forum [emoji24]. After events of a few months ago, it was clearly evident that the Admin staff has issues with anger management and power abuse.
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I own a web marketing company tk - we'll design your site, setup a massively targeted PPC campaign with your keywords, do research to find which ones will be the most efficient, get you some long tails if even needed, and then consistently tweak and improve your content to improve your click to opt-in rate (clicking the link to your site from the ad ---> downloading the game on the site)
i have a guy who will handle all this for you, i won't do any of the work just collect the vast majority of the profits, so let me know if you're interested and I'll put you in talks with him next year (or earlier).
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for extra we'll start doing content marketing, remarketing, seo, massive backlinks, etc etc.
of all those, remarketing would be insanely effective for war2.
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i'll have my people get with your people.
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I'm going to need a binder deposit of $2,700 before we move forward.
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I own a web marketing company tk - we'll design your site, setup a massively targeted PPC campaign with your keywords, do research to find which ones will be the most efficient, get you some long tails if even needed, and then consistently tweak and improve your content to improve your click to opt-in rate (clicking the link to your site from the ad ---> downloading the game on the site)
i have a guy who will handle all this for you, i won't do any of the work just collect the vast majority of the profits, so let me know if you're interested and I'll put you in talks with him next year (or earlier).
Why are we just finding out this now
If you own the company are you using sub contractors or employees
If employees then we feel you should be doing this for free .
Help the server mate .
If we wanted to pay big $$$ for web marketing we would use a proper web marketing company
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"proper web marketing company"
lmao
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make money before you die
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I.e. a proper company that doesn't ask for a $2700 down payment based on nothing.
With no portfolio, objectives or even a clear outline of what they are going to do. Very amateur. Just saying if we were going to spend money we would go with a proper company, but would appreciate you doing it for free , is that a possibility
Thanks
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TK this is not related to this debate, just something you said. What would make you think I don't know what Warcraft.org is? I've known about http://war2.warcraft.org/ (http://war2.warcraft.org/) for many years you do realize I've played this game since 1998 right? From 1998-2000 I mostly played single player and beat all the campaigns, played a bit of zone. From 2000-2002 I played on Bnet east mostly GOW and BNE's but I also played pretty much every custom. At the time I wasn't Smeagol but went by Danath~. I was also in the War Force Clan I was WFCxDanath. From 2000-2009 I played bnet 2002 and after mostly PBall(2002 and after xXxSmeagolxXx(4000-4000 on East) mostly but various AKAs too). Then in 2009 I came to RU when East totally died and have been here since. There is very little I don't know about this game(aside from some of the player stories and such) after all these years, I've been on all the major forums but didn't have accounts until this one. I also played GOW, BNEs, and pretty much every custom there is over the years, I just mostly play PBall now. I just thought I'd add this because I've seen you and a few forum people tell me to "learn Warcraft 2" or "learn GOW" or act like I'm new. I've played this game nearly 20 years and almost every map, It's not that I haven't learned GOW or BNE's I just went to PBall after a while. I know a lot about this game though, rant over it contributes nothing to this debate but the debate is stale anyway and I thought I'd type my history out for all to see :P.
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So
You know gow? , you know how to build a hall, blacksmith , mill. Etc etc???
Then why play the paintball map ?
Paintball is a practise map for 6-9 year olds before they know how to build
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This is from the retard who can't play without a hack and doesn't realize orcs don't have a castle. I know every hot key and every build order it's not hard, 10 year old kids know that shit. You are also terrible and I wouldn't say this to any decent GOW player since I haven't played in years, but I would destroy you in GOW without your hacks. I play PBall because this is all a video game dumb fuck, and it's more fun to me. Go troll elsewhere hacking loser fuck, btw I'm glad Claw stole your accounts. I laughed with him about it several times(didn't know he was going to do it though). You can smoke pole of the admins all you want, you are nothing here but a joke to be derided and laughed at.
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so you know what the old war2 forums are. that's great. you didnt have an account on there and werent able to post.
thats the reason i pushed for new forums... for people like you. that was the whole point.
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I.e. a proper company that doesn't ask for a $2700 down payment based on nothing.
With no portfolio, objectives or even a clear outline of what they are going to do. Very amateur. Just saying if we were going to spend money we would go with a proper company, but would appreciate you doing it for free , is that a possibility
Thanks
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all web marketing companies require a $2,700 binder, you don't know shit.
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Yeah TK the making an account crap on occult was garbage. Whatever the reasoning is this newer site where embedded links are possible and people are able to make accounts is better. I don't know the story of you pushing for this forum so I can't comment there, but Mouse did a good job on this forum. Yeah I just decided to write a little history because a few other players on here seem to think I'm new or something because I'm new to this forum. I've played this shit forever =D.
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Paintball is a practise map for 6-9 year olds before they know how to build
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I.e. a proper company that doesn't ask for a $2700 down payment based on nothing.
With no portfolio, objectives or even a clear outline of what they are going to do. Very amateur. Just saying if we were going to spend money we would go with a proper company, but would appreciate you doing it for free , is that a possibility
Thanks
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all web marketing companies require a $2,700 binder, you don't know shit.
Rofl you embarrass yourself even more . Haha
Love the amateurism of your "company"
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Nothing amateurish about a company that puts profits first, and does well at their number 1 priority.
That being said, all the protocol, local customs, fancy websites and stores, employee suits, customer service, core company values, that define a company are all designed to take your money in any business, and thats all they care about. it's sad really, that we live in a society that promotes an economy which has major corporations and their employee's being ingenuously courteous and pretending to adhere to righteous values, while pretending its actually who they are and withholding the fact that the only motive they have in such a business model is one of profit-seeking.
so i've just really learned how to cut out the fat and get right to the point, taking peoples money.