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Lol @BabyShark, You literally didn't read what I said though: Now, as it is clear for me that Religion it self is inferior and that we should abolish it...
I spoke about Religion, not about Creation or about the existence of a Creator or not!
I literally speak about religion: The system to believe, not the belief its self.
For some people belief to a Creator is a necessity (arguably there are people who do not require it). Weather to answer the fearful question of what happens after death, or to logically place themselves in the Universe.
I never said that a Creator does not exist, I just said that building a religion around a Creator is the inferior way to approach it and only brings hate and destruction to the Human Kind...
Personal opinion: Human Morals should be left in Philosophy, not Religion; Creation and the Creator should be left to Science, not Religion; Laws and Politics should be left to lawyers and politicians, not Religion....
Do we need Religion??? No! Some people can believe that there is something more, but speculating about it makes no sense whatsoever.
There is something though that I like in religions (in ALL religions) the keep nice traditions and nice social events alive. And that part the should keep doing it. Religion should be a social thing and not be involved with other topics... In practice be Tradition and not Religion.
ps: I deeply respect the beliefs of others and the way they honor them. But I strongly oppose the institutes that take advantage and control people just because of their beliefs (religions...).
Well if I do not accept the Quran as a reliable source and you do not accept Historical and Philosophical books as a reliable source we are on a dead lock...
If you want historical references I can give u a few, the problem with me is that I read from paper books... Which after I read them I store them in my warehouse at Greece. So referring you to the exact books means that I will need to return to Greece, go to the warehouse and find the books. (By the way right now I live in Italy).
Anyhow, about historical books related with our discussion:
I would suggest you to first start from a Historical book about Salah ad-Din. From my personal point of view one of the best Muslim leaders to start your historical studies. Try to study both the events and his personal education.
Now after you get a grasp of Salah ad-Din, I suggest you get to read a book about the Arab Sultanates and all the small empires that where founded in the period of: ~600-1200. Before the Ottoman Empire. For those I have read one book (which as I mentioned is somewhere lost in my warehouse) but if you study you will see all of them have 1 common thing. And that is specifically the control of a collection of books that moves from one library to another. (If I remember well the Arabs refer to it as the House of Wisdom)
Now, it can be a coincidence or it can be not... Around 650AD, Muslims take control of Alexandria. Around 700AD The House of Wisdom appears...
From the beginning of the Muslim world there is a myth about a two horned man (Dhul-Qarnayn I googled that because I didnt remembered it).
Have you visited any Arab country? You will find his Statue and Image in almost all of them (At least I found it in the two I have visited).
In brief, like in Christianity similarly in Islam the mass is kept brainwashed and uneducated but the few leaders have access to 'The House of Wisdom' or to refer it with the real name: The remnants of Alexandria's Library.
The access to the ancient worlds knowledge (especially math and philosophy) is enough to elevate nations to Empires!
And we have to thank a few floods, fires and two Religions for the loss of the Library...
From Civilization to the Dark Ages to later again Enlightenment...
2 Religions brought the human kind at least 500 years behind in technological and scientific advancement and you speak about superiority???
And this conclusion you can have it by studying Arab history, you do not even need to look at western sources...
ps: My time is limited I might continue answering with other points when time allows....
Lol, you are attacking me but none of my arguments...
So you simply accept bitter defeat
1) I'm not a native English speaker. Still, I'm pretty confident that what grammar errors I might do are pretty limited and the meaning still passes through. 2) You do not know what I know, and still you claim I not know stuff that I might know.
About Hinduism, I'm personally not a Hindu but I have been in the presence of Brahma Hindu priests (even better monks) and have discussed about creation and their philosophy with them. I'm not a Buddhist but I have read a bit about it and I was amazed of how much similar (in ethics) it was with Plato. I'm not a Christian but I grew as an Orthodox Christian and had in school plenty of Christian brain washing and teachings. I'm not a Muslim but I have read about the History of Arabs and Ottoman Empire, I also had a lot of Muslim friends (some religious some not but none an expert). I'm not a Jew and I have almost zero knowledge about them, only know some historical facts I'm not a Pagan (of any form) neither do I believe to the Twelve Gods of Olympus. But I have extensively studied the Greek Mythology and Greek Cosmogony, furthermore, I have read historical and philosophical analysis about it. I have also up to a limited point studied the Viking Mythology. But I do not feel it is such an advance set of belief to use it in this discussion.
But more of all, I have studied History!
So now, that I have established u a bit about me... Try to target my arguments and not me :-P
Try to give arguments why Islam is superior than other religions (that u know) on the three categories I gave. If you do not like those categories, then please introduce new ones...
By the way, there is one thing that Islam does better: Polygamy! For some weird reason Islam accepted the nature of man to be polygamous but for an equally weird reason they didnt accept the nature of woman to be polygamous too... Damn that was close... So even there Islam fails.
There are problems with having bots doing this. If for each user we need a bot that does the ping it is a problem.
The reason I want to do this at the server level is so that we do not require double logins for each user. Probably the easiest is to have a bot for each user that knows the ips and does something like this:
for all IP in IPs echo "Lat Trick" > /dev/udp/IP/6112 end for
and
netcat -ul 6112
This is something we can try among us. If by both of us doing this the ports open then we have verified that all we need is to send/receive a package...
I was thinking of doing it like that: The server send a packet to the clients that has encrypted the IP and UDP port of the client to send a package back then a utility decrypts the ip and udp port and send back a package...
There we are everything is fixed... we just ping pong each other over UDP
now, some programmers could probably listen their outgoing packages and find some ips... but I do not think that is too much of a problem...
worst case scenario someone will use that information for a DOS attack. An average firewall should be able to handle that. What is dangerous is if the can code inject something to that ip. But I think they shouldn't be able
Full design:
Introduce \lattrick chat command \lattrick sends to user IP a UDP packet at a port that a custom app listens the app when it receives the packet starts to listen for encrypted ips the ping pong starts when all ips finish the server sends the confirmation message.
the code should be similar with the \ping command code we just have the pong part going to the ip stated...
No one has evidence that the stars are missles to attack the shayateen except for Allah (in the Qur'an), Who teaches men about that which they do not know through revelation.
This is golden!!! I had no idea that Mohammed had stated such a thing!
The beauty of the dark ages... Destroy all knowledge and convince people about everything...
By the way only Arab Christians (such as Egyptians) use Allah to refer to God Allah is not a name it literally means The God.
It is also very funny to know how we have believers of Judaism, Christianity and Islam thinking that the believe a different god :-D
These three religions believe to the same god... Which refer it as the One True God...
Now, lets return to the topic: The superiority of Islam... In my limited knowledge about religions (haven't read the Quran, I have read the old Testimony and I was forced to more or less read the new Testimony). I have studied several survey articles that discuss several different religions. (Including Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Islam, different factions of Christianity, Islam, old religions) I have a quite extensive historical knowledge. And I have lived in a rather multi-religious environment and societies.
So first my personal opinion without facts and full of bias: The SUPERIOR religion of them all is the LACK OF RELIGION...
A bit of facts: The biggest crimes in history where made in the name of GOD. Religion takes out the worst of people. More or less what do to The rise of religions (Christianity, Islam) in the ancient world meant the collapse of civilization the lost of knowledge and the return of human life standard to the equivalent of an APE.
Millions of people would not have died, we would be 400-500 years technologically more advanced. And most probably we would be much more peaceful...
Is it the fault of the prophets? Of course not... But give a weapon that controls the masses and that is what happens.
Now to some more hard core evidence:
To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not, is true. --Aristotle
With this simple sentence, Aristotle proved all religions to be false! Not a single one survived :-D (Perhaps Buddhism is the only one that might not be falsified)
Explanation: Buddhism, is not a religion it is a philosophy for the Metaphysical. Buddha does not refer to any God or superior being, only says that we should search for inner enlightenment. While, I have not read all of the Buddhist texts, it is possible that the state nothing that is false, thus Buddhism is not falsified.
Being not falsified does not necessarily make something true. It could simply be unproven... Then I would need to explain u the incompleteness theorem... But that is too complicated for simpletons that believe stuff like:
No one has evidence that the stars are missles to attack the shayateen except for Allah (in the Qur'an), Who teaches men about that which they do not know through revelation.
Or that believe that the Earth is flat, we haven't went to the moon, etc...
Now, as it is clear for me that Religion it self is inferior and that we should abolish it... Let me try to choose a Superior religion among the ones that I have some knowledge for...
I will define superiority based one three (3) different categories: 1) Creation of the world (best story) 2) Promotion of ethics (love, hate, equality) 3) Enlightenment for Believer/Society (Self development, freedom, evolution)
For (1) Christianity, Islam, Judaism would score the same... The have the same story more or less. Hinduism is very rich in stories, I barely know a few of them... But I do believe is richer than the other religions. (Probably they should earn the highest score here). Buddhism gets its stories from real peoples lives and makes an allegory out of them. Ohh and let me mention the best of them all: There exists 1 religion (has some small variations) that has the most AMAZING stories among them all. The stories are based in Cosmogony and describe Astronomical events. The more Historians study them, the more the have to turn to science to understand them. Or in other words, the need to read Physics and just name entities of events in Physics or other sciences fields and the get the stories!
Quoting Wikipedia: Extrapolation of the expansion of the universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past.[14] This singularity indicates that general relativity is not an adequate description of the laws of physics in this regime. Models based on general relativity alone can not extrapolate toward the singularity beyond the end of the Planck epoch.
This primordial singularity is itself sometimes called "the Big Bang",[15] but the term can also refer to a more generic early hot, dense phase[16][notes 1] of the universe. In either case, "the Big Bang" as an event is also colloquially referred to as the "birth" of our universe since it represents the point in history where the universe can be verified to have entered into a regime where the laws of physics as we understand them (specifically general relativity and the standard model of particle physics) work.
And the myth: In the beginning was an emptiness called Chaos - the yawning gap. Then Earth -or Gaia- sprang, without parents, into being. Her broad bosom provided a sturdy seat for the gods to come. And suddenly there appeared Eros, the fairest of immortals. At his touch bodies melt; he destroys will and reason, not only for humans but even for gods. In the beginning, then, were these all-powerful three.
Chaos is the infinite emptiness, Gaia is the singularity, Eros is the infinite density and temperature...
Wow the Big Bang theory from 4000BC?~WTF...
For (2) Islam would score very low on this category... Christianity is somewhere in the middle. Judaism scores well within Hebrews (The chosen people) and bad for the others... Buddhism is very high on this being the only religion that has not even raised weapons towards their enemies... (Wait for it there is even better) Brahma based Hinduism would score pretty well Kali based Hinduism would score pretty bad lol the beauty of Hinduism, it super contains almost all other religions.
Wait, is love and pacifism the nature of Man??? If it was then the highest score would be on Buddhism... But the reality lies elsewhere... One religion, accepted man as is! And deified all its characteristics. Man has love, care, peace, wisdom but also has hatred, sexual distortion, war, foolishness, inside him. Rejecting/oppressing all that is not healthy... Wait is this psychology??? Oh you guessed what religion I'm referring too?
(3) Well here, almost all prevailing religions mess up... For Christianism you need to check Hermits. And yes all religions have their equivalent. Only Buddhism is actively promoting believer and society enlightenment. All others care more about believers following the rules... (Well taxes pay the bills).
The "Old Religion" did promoted society enlightenment and some individual one. But truthfully we miss some of the details for me to be able to score it. One thing I can say for sure, is that it was a religion of equality and love much more than what some religions claim. Some indications for that: 12 gods (6 male, 6 female) Still it was a patriarch based religion with Zeus being the Father and leader of all. An element that was also reflected to the society.
Intellectual the wisest the Goddess of knowledge was Athena! A female god that was borne by the head of Zeus. Balance always was represented in female figures, while strength in male ones.
Now about love, it is enough to mention that one of the three primordial gods is Love it self (Eros). But further than that, it is much more important to mention that as a religion it accepted love in all forms: Love for oneself, for family, for the same gender, for animals, for items, for arts for everything. While the Judaism based religions only accept love for God and human and not for anything else.
Oh damn, I revealed the mystery religion :-P
Lets now see the flames of truth spread! Holy inquisition and Jihad entering in our discussions :-D
You holy slayers, butchers of Science and Enlightenment bring it on :-D
(Assuming that Allah exists) Which was written down and interpreted by people...
You made a lot of statements from my last post and the discussion is losing its track. For that reason I will try to ignore the statements and only focus on the topic at hand: Is communism good or bad?
As usual, a thread with a topic like that cant reach to a conclusion. Lets say the only conclusion we have reached is that Communism is less applicable to large societies.
ps: For other topics opened I will use other more appropriate threads.
@tupac, @AHB, @iL great that I have everyone in this!
and thank you for the brain storming... I intent on looking to this problem, but I do have limited time my self.
To be honest, I do believe the best is to solve it on the PvPGN server level. The server knows all ips, all UDP ports. Also some solutions I have seen from other gaming software is implemented on chat channels. Example: Voobly Before the launch a game the open a small chat channel. There all users try to connect with all users (this takes some time) when all connections has established the launch the game. This behavior I think is what we refer to as the LAT trick. Also war2 does exactly that when u enter in a game.
so the ideal would be that the client can send a UDP packet to a specific ip address.
Hmmm I will have to remember to take you ss when I'm in Greece.
I should still have working PCs from all the mentioned OS. I will even try to find my old Warcraft II cd and install it on them :-D
I have a 386 pc with MSDOS The 486 should still be working with win95 I have a laptop with 98 And a laptop with windows XP Unfortunately, my desktop with 2000 I think died... I will have to check if I still have one or not.
Yes, I do have a collection of Computers and their respective OS :-D
Try to remind me when I'm in Greece, I'll get you some cool pictures :-D
You need at least some land*, a central bank that is accepted and the recognition of the United Nations (some could say that this is not strictly necessary but then u are phantom nation rather than a real one).
Of course, your foundation as a country starts with forming a constitution.
The land I think it is a legal issue, because one could form a cyber country! But for it to legally be recognized you will need some reachable geographical coordinates.
For those interested, there are a few pieces of land that are still free :-D
Setting up the ground with simple sentences... We agree on the following:
Islam + Capitalism are compatible within the religious restrictions. Islam + Democracy are completely incompatible.
Not that it is important, but can we agree on: Pope was comparable with the Caliph but is not anymore.
We need to clarify better why Islam + Communism are incompatible.
We need to open Christianity and Communism (this is complicated and to be addressed later) Polytheistic religions are not necessary inferior from Monotheistic. Hinduism is one of the most advance religions (if not the most advance) and possibly the oldest thriving religion in the world (historians are not certain if Judaism or Hinduism is older). None of the religions I mentioned I would call it corrupt. All of them are pretty big religions (being in the 10 biggest).
To return to the topic in hand: Islam + Communism are incompatible. Reason: by my personal opinion the problem is that normally Communism is the opposite of authoritarian (ignore the applications of it). Normally in communism there are no rulers or special social classes.
Islam, Christianity and other religions have the: Clergy which by definition is a pyramid structured authoritarian system. I believe this is the hidden reason why Communism cant work with most societies.
We should first abolish the authoritarian systems and society and only after that we can apply communism. (Personally, I'm in complete favor of removing authoritarian systems, but I'm still against on introducing communism but that is another discussion.)
To return to the main topic: Is communism good or bad? I believe that Communism can only be applied on a society with 0 authoritarianism and where all are at equal ground. It is based on Utopian principles and Communism is bound to fail as would Anarchism. But in a small society (such as a family) communism is the ideal system to work with!
The small society develops better if they do not compete against them but instead collaborate; all are richer if everything is owned by everyone and not having individual wealth in a small society: This is also the basis of Nash Equilibrium which by all irony is used in Capitalism.
Simple example: When you where a kid, did your family owned a car? Was it your fathers? or your mothers? or maybe was it from/for both? Maybe, when you got a licence was it your car too... That is communism, everything is owned by everyone. We do not have individual properties... The idea is great just not applicable in large society.
@3bdushakur, again you do the same confusion... You are speaking about a specific example that used Communism as a pretext but was not truly communism.
Stalin's Communism was an authoritarian Communism system. The problems that appeared where purely authoritarian and not related with the economic system. If nothing else the economic system managed to elevate a completely destroyed Russia to an empire at the time of Lenin. Not that I'm in favor of Lenin, but going to communism did save Russia at that moment.
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