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Server.War2.ru / Re: Message to the world of warcraft 2
« on: November 17, 2016, 10:18:01 PM »
Hi all and hi Equinox,

I believe what he wanted to say is that him whining and complaining is his way to contribute.
I agree that it is tiring and negative but maybe that is the only way he knows!

I do not know him well, and I do not know his real/stated contributions.
I personally didn't mind his attitude about ELO.
From the posts I have read he appears to be a good recruiter!

Equinox, contribute to this game and this community by doing what you do best! Is it streaming? Is it spreading the word? Just do it ;-)

I see many people trying to contribute the way they can, don't attack them! If you don't like what they are doing just say nothing! If you like it say good job! In the end better to have people trying and failing than people not trying!

Hope to see you and play with you one of these days, the two games I remember playing with you where fun and interesting!

Cheers

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Support Requests / Re: Force change resolution
« on: November 16, 2016, 11:49:49 AM »
Wow can we get the code of that utility???

Perhaps we can improve it to make it playable at a higher resolution (Well it appears it works only at 1280x960. But that would be a great upgrade for war2!

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Ban Equinox
« on: November 15, 2016, 05:05:16 PM »
Thanks for the good words Magician!
Eq, just needs a bit of love and recognition...
Banning him won't help!
By the way he always says he is streaming, but I never saw a video from him! Eq, could you share your link please!

Thanks

Sent from my YOGA Tablet 2-830F using Tapatalk


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Server.War2.ru / Re: Our current ladder and his own issues!
« on: November 15, 2016, 12:56:02 PM »
Calm down Equinox, no player yet has passed the provisional ELO period.
If you think you can win these guys, go play them!
Every victory you do gives you almost 64ELO points and removes it from them!

Assuming you are better than them it will take you ~10 games (because of degradation of difference) for you to pass their ELO.

The only thing you are saying is that the ELO actually works: Among the players that are active the best ones have got a good score!
Also I know that Yamon reached around there but now it seems he lost a few games and he is low on ELO.
This is normal in the start of the ELO.

Also you are looking at the ELO in a wrong way! ELO is not a system to tell you the top ten players!
ELO IS NOT A LADDER SYSTEM.

Happy gaming

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Server.War2.ru / Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« on: November 15, 2016, 12:43:43 PM »
Lol Equinox...
I do not even know what league of legends is!

fyi, ELO is the most established measure in competitive gaming.

if you think you can cheat it/abuse it, feel free to do so!

Happy gaming in your efforts ;-)

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Our current ladder and his own issues!
« on: November 15, 2016, 12:34:45 PM »
Hi all,

as I recently saw the source code for the ladder, I can remark you that implementing the bo3 strategy is not so simple!
Also I think that going for a bo3 would make the ladder even less dynamic than what currently is.
People would need to wait until for ever in order to get pushed to the higher rankings.
And if a top player loses 1 game and then disappears you will never get your 2nd one...

Ladder is already promoting inactivity as the moment you reach the top you are safe.
This would make it even worse...

My personal opinion is that ladder should become something like a championship. Every year we reward the first 3 on the ladder! Then we reset it!
This way people will keep playing in order to defend their titles!

Cheers

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Server.War2.ru / Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« on: November 15, 2016, 12:19:58 PM »
The ELO computes a comparable score based on an 90 degrees rotated exponential function.
As a result even if you try to cheat the system by playing all the time weak players you will stop earning ELO points (YES you can earn 0 points)
And if you lose you will lose Loads of points!
Thus over a large amount of games the score convergences to your real capacity!

The highest ELO does not necessary means the Best player! That is why we do not use it for Ladder.
ELO works with comparing 2 players! And tells you what is the chance of player A wins player B.
After the system has enough games the score will represent your ELO. If you get to have 1600 ELO. Players with 1400 or less should probably avoid you as they will have a low chance to win. But a 1500 player still has a good chance to win you.

Now if you are picking up on new players (1300 ELO but high K) and you (1600 with mid K) you will earn some points but the new players will soon drop to a low ELO and that will not give you any points whatsoever.
If I remember well (but I can do the math if people want) the line where you gain 0 ELO is around 400ELO difference.

To find Newbs with high ELO that will give you easy picks on points will be rare!

So in the end; ELO works.

Furthermore, lets take the worst case scenario. Someone uses N accounts on 2 pcs in order to boost his 1 account.
The person could use some accounts to lose and some to win in order to try and boost his 1 account at the end of MANY MANY games.
That 1 account will reach to have a hugely inflated ELO and no one will play with it! Or the Masters will play in order to increase their ELO and destroy the player.
Finally, in such an extreme case the admins could detect it and then ban reset/ban the account.

If people think that these math will help them to appreciate the ELO scores when I have time I can plot them for you.
I can even try to get you the optimal strategy for breaking the formula!
But do you actually think it worth's it?

The whole point here is to promote people of using their Account in order to increase their ELO. Also it gives a tool to the somewhat new players to select opponents.

cheers

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Server.War2.ru / Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« on: November 15, 2016, 09:05:18 AM »
Hi Equinox,

In case you didn't notice. The ELO is complement to the Ladder system.
We are not making an ELO based ladder. We kept the ladder as is and we added an ELO computation.
The ELO is a useful measure for finding players similarly powered with you.

ELO mathematically gets stabilized after a while and converges to your actual score.
ELO inflation is very fast handled when you get a few defeats from lower ELO players than you.

Cheers

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Server.War2.ru / Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« on: November 14, 2016, 09:54:54 PM »
Gj mousey! I hope this will help increasing activity!
This week I'm busy with my work but i might find sometime at Wednesday for us to continue the work.

Did you spoke to iL?

Cheerios

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Server.War2.ru / Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« on: November 12, 2016, 04:14:30 AM »
Hi,
Ladder and ELO ratings are two different things.

Or at least we want to keep them different!

Now computing ELO for matches with multiple players is something I'm considering.

I'll see how and when to realize it though!

Cheers

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Master tag challenge thread
« on: November 11, 2016, 01:44:52 PM »
Please try to get the warvids from a watcher!
Then I can do a casting of the games...

:-)
I think I will easily have material for 1 video per week :-D


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Strategy & Replays / Re: Shotgun vs Knitterhemd
« on: November 11, 2016, 10:33:57 AM »
Game 6 should be soon online ;-)

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General Discussion / Re: us 2016 elections thread (america ftw)
« on: November 11, 2016, 10:20:22 AM »

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Server.War2.ru / Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« on: November 11, 2016, 10:11:07 AM »
Hi all,

===== Topic 1: ELO vs Ladder/ELO presentation ======
ELO and ladder are two different things. I thought that this was pretty clear.
The only relation the two have is that ELO ratings are computed by the same games that count for ladder.
Also that we currently present the ELO at the ladder page.

Well, I believe that the ELO should be presented in many different locations like:
Status page.
and ingame /stats  command.

How doable is that is a second question.

======= Topic 2: ELO & Smurfs ==========

About smurfs and ELO and the scenario described.

Yes the system is not bullet proof and malicious usage can abuse it a bit; but the target is for people to get an idea of the players strength compared with their own strength instead of actually making a ranking.

ELO gives you statistical information. If player A has a score of 1700 and player B has a score of 1500 that means that player A has ~75% chance to win player B.
When a smurf starts winning the ELO will increase rapidly so; the smurf wont be so smurfish anymore ;-)

Of course I should add 2 more information in the site: how much games a player has played and their tier!
If you see a player with ELO 1300 and 0 games and a player with ELO 1300 and 100 games you realize that you have a high error on your estimation for the first player.

After the system stabilizes I would consider to use the opponent Game # information in order to protect from smurfs.

Example: Player A: ELO 1700; Games 300; Player S: ELO 1300; Games 0. Player S wins!

S earns their ELO points normally.
A would normally lose quite some ELO in this case but instead as Player S has 0 Games I reduce the amount of lost ELO. I haven't thought the formula and the math yet. But that is an easy Smurf protection we can do.

Thus ELO can become an anti Smurf protection tool after a while!

=========== Topic 3: Team ladder and Team ELO ==========
That should go to the TODO list...

Method 1
If teams are balanced (equal number of players) we could avg the ELO ratings.

Method 2
Take the ELO of the strongest team player as the basis.
Reduce all other ELO's by 1000 and sum them. (Yes players with less than 1000 ELO penalize the team)
This works also for non balanced teams

Method 3
Try to match player vs player
Best of Team A vs Best of Team B etc..
Handle it as multiple 1v1 games if balanced; otherwise devise something weird. lol

Finally we can use the math from: http://sradack.blogspot.pt/2008/06/elo-rating-system-multiple-players.html
This is similar with my summing approach.

Conclusion: It is possible but maybe not desirable.
Still this is no team score. This is just a way to award ELO points to each player for games with teams.

About team ladder, I haven't been involved on that but perhaps in the future I will...

Cheers

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Server.War2.ru / Re: ELO Scores for Ladder and not only
« on: November 10, 2016, 02:39:16 PM »
To be honest, I think it would motivate them more if we gave prizes for reaching an ELO rating instead of giving more points...

say that we give you a special banner for reaching 2000 ELO...
in general ELO will be useful for several tasks :-)

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