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General Discussion / Re: Info wars shut down good or bad?
« on: August 25, 2018, 07:01:46 AM »
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“I don't get it. PB clearly supports politicians that openly advocate doing pretty much the exact opposite of everything PB is ranting about, then somehow, he twists it around in to a narrative about political correctness.”
I do? lol , what are you talking about? The only politicians I brought up were cautionary tales demonstrating the perils of censorship. I suggest you look up the meaning of the word “opposite”, only advocacy was for free market solutions, free speech and anti trust as a last resort to ensure a free marketplace of ideas can flourish. I never took you for the kind of guy playing with out a full deck lol.
“If there was ANY actual real scientific basis for disproving climate change, someone would have published it and immediately got MEGA$$$ in research grants from all the oil companies etc. Their grandchildren would be set for life..... and BTW I personally would be very happy to see it, seriously what a relief.”
You’re stating Climate Change like it’s not a theory and already proven. You don’t start the Scientific Method trying to prove a negative, you 1st have to affirm a positive. For starters nobody can define “climate change” or distinguish it from the weather, it wasn’t long ago it was known as “global warming”. Every climate model is a vast over simplification that can’t accurately determine the attributions of every discrete variable.
As a small example to contextualize the problem, we must determine our relative position and trajectory under weather patterns that precede drastic human interference. We reside within a 400,000 year cycle that is part of a 100,000 year eccentricity cycle, between warm periods, currently our equinox cycle is winter at perihelion along the northern hemisphere. Our 40,000 year obliquity cycle or rotational procession cycles every 26,000 years along our axis. The change of obliquitey is along the a higher range which naturally results in more extreme season. By bearing all this in mind we can try to temper expectations to a certain extent by remembering we are in warm interlude at the depth of an interglacial phase, where glacier retreat is expected. We also must bear in mind the gravitational tug of Jupiter and Saturn with result in 3 periodic shifts that elongate our elliptical orbital shifts up to 30%. Our current respite of the Holocene Epoch was about 11 thousand years ago. Thats when temperatures rose and humans agriculture really began to thrive. Surely, primitive man’s carbon footprint was the cause of this phenomenon?
The second most pressing sets of discreete and dependent variables involve a chronological inventory of temperature and atmospheric conditions and hopefully a correlation occurs that allows us to differentiate between, global conditions and cosmological conditions. For instance the co2 concentrations were 3-6 times higher in the Jurassic period than they are today and will leave the atmosphere after thousands of years. Methanes potential to warm the planet is also 20 times greater than carbon and will leave the atmosphere after 12 years according to the EPA, which would prove as a useful warning measure if drastic change was needed. There also exists a strong 600 year delayed correlation with solar activity from the sun and geological climate readings. NASA says 9 of the 10 warmest years on record have come this century, but its hard to verify the accuracy and atmospheric conditions of a farmers almanac.
Once we’ve determined how to properly weigh the variables and assign ranges and varying degrees of probability as to which effect what, we can hopefully gleem a more accurate model, then compare and apply to other planets. Then, we can plug in the main part of the equation which is the green house gas effect. We’ve now upped our c02 concentration from 270 to 400 parts per million. Solar energy is absorbed by earths surface and through convection and radiation goes back into the atmosphere as heat. Unlike oxygen and nitrogen which easily dissipate heat, Carbon dioxide, methane, water vapor and nitrous oxide vibrate more when they absorb heat, the friction generates more heat which radiates back down to earths surface in a feed back loop. We need to continually obtain accurate readings of this mechanism by indexing the troposphere, ionosphere, atmosphere, stratosphere and earths surface to get a more detailed understanding. Another localized phenomenon is VLF radio communications which have formed an artificial space barrier which bends the solar radiation that permeates the earth. Also, it’s important to remember water vapor is the main infrared active gas in the atmosphere compared to c02.
Certain conditions can also distort the results of other phenomenon if they aren’t fully accounted for on models. For instance, there is a natural positive feedback loop of c02 that accounting for 15% more of our agricultural production since it is a plant food. Also, you look at earth at aphelion where we move slower for the long winters which aren’t counteracted as much by short summers, ice also reflects more and absorbs less sunlight. Bottom line, the people i’ve spoken with who’ve studied this think its worthy of study, but concede we can’t accurately define the parameters of the feedback loop with any high degree of certainty.
I won’t get into how this is a socialist vehicle for a wealth distribution scheme amongst nations and how other signatories of The Paris Climate Accords haven’t been in compliance in spite of their claims. Also, find it amusing most climate scientist grants are based on endorsing a preconceived conclusion even if it means falsifying past data to “prove” a theory.
NO possible SPB is OG Flower Tower^^
“I don't get it. PB clearly supports politicians that openly advocate doing pretty much the exact opposite of everything PB is ranting about, then somehow, he twists it around in to a narrative about political correctness.”
I do? lol , what are you talking about? The only politicians I brought up were cautionary tales demonstrating the perils of censorship. I suggest you look up the meaning of the word “opposite”, only advocacy was for free market solutions, free speech and anti trust as a last resort to ensure a free marketplace of ideas can flourish. I never took you for the kind of guy playing with out a full deck lol.
“If there was ANY actual real scientific basis for disproving climate change, someone would have published it and immediately got MEGA$$$ in research grants from all the oil companies etc. Their grandchildren would be set for life..... and BTW I personally would be very happy to see it, seriously what a relief.”
You’re stating Climate Change like it’s not a theory and already proven. You don’t start the Scientific Method trying to prove a negative, you 1st have to affirm a positive. For starters nobody can define “climate change” or distinguish it from the weather, it wasn’t long ago it was known as “global warming”. Every climate model is a vast over simplification that can’t accurately determine the attributions of every discrete variable.
As a small example to contextualize the problem, we must determine our relative position and trajectory under weather patterns that precede drastic human interference. We reside within a 400,000 year cycle that is part of a 100,000 year eccentricity cycle, between warm periods, currently our equinox cycle is winter at perihelion along the northern hemisphere. Our 40,000 year obliquity cycle or rotational procession cycles every 26,000 years along our axis. The change of obliquitey is along the a higher range which naturally results in more extreme season. By bearing all this in mind we can try to temper expectations to a certain extent by remembering we are in warm interlude at the depth of an interglacial phase, where glacier retreat is expected. We also must bear in mind the gravitational tug of Jupiter and Saturn with result in 3 periodic shifts that elongate our elliptical orbital shifts up to 30%. Our current respite of the Holocene Epoch was about 11 thousand years ago. Thats when temperatures rose and humans agriculture really began to thrive. Surely, primitive man’s carbon footprint was the cause of this phenomenon?
The second most pressing sets of discreete and dependent variables involve a chronological inventory of temperature and atmospheric conditions and hopefully a correlation occurs that allows us to differentiate between, global conditions and cosmological conditions. For instance the co2 concentrations were 3-6 times higher in the Jurassic period than they are today and will leave the atmosphere after thousands of years. Methanes potential to warm the planet is also 20 times greater than carbon and will leave the atmosphere after 12 years according to the EPA, which would prove as a useful warning measure if drastic change was needed. There also exists a strong 600 year delayed correlation with solar activity from the sun and geological climate readings. NASA says 9 of the 10 warmest years on record have come this century, but its hard to verify the accuracy and atmospheric conditions of a farmers almanac.
Once we’ve determined how to properly weigh the variables and assign ranges and varying degrees of probability as to which effect what, we can hopefully gleem a more accurate model, then compare and apply to other planets. Then, we can plug in the main part of the equation which is the green house gas effect. We’ve now upped our c02 concentration from 270 to 400 parts per million. Solar energy is absorbed by earths surface and through convection and radiation goes back into the atmosphere as heat. Unlike oxygen and nitrogen which easily dissipate heat, Carbon dioxide, methane, water vapor and nitrous oxide vibrate more when they absorb heat, the friction generates more heat which radiates back down to earths surface in a feed back loop. We need to continually obtain accurate readings of this mechanism by indexing the troposphere, ionosphere, atmosphere, stratosphere and earths surface to get a more detailed understanding. Another localized phenomenon is VLF radio communications which have formed an artificial space barrier which bends the solar radiation that permeates the earth. Also, it’s important to remember water vapor is the main infrared active gas in the atmosphere compared to c02.
Certain conditions can also distort the results of other phenomenon if they aren’t fully accounted for on models. For instance, there is a natural positive feedback loop of c02 that accounting for 15% more of our agricultural production since it is a plant food. Also, you look at earth at aphelion where we move slower for the long winters which aren’t counteracted as much by short summers, ice also reflects more and absorbs less sunlight. Bottom line, the people i’ve spoken with who’ve studied this think its worthy of study, but concede we can’t accurately define the parameters of the feedback loop with any high degree of certainty.
I won’t get into how this is a socialist vehicle for a wealth distribution scheme amongst nations and how other signatories of The Paris Climate Accords haven’t been in compliance in spite of their claims. Also, find it amusing most climate scientist grants are based on endorsing a preconceived conclusion even if it means falsifying past data to “prove” a theory.
