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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: tk[as] on March 26, 2019, 08:07:54 PM
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for spending countless hours making sure all of the forums and their topics of discussion are in the appropriate areas. Re-locating posts is by far our #1 priority.
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Where would we be without his efforts
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If ya'll ever want to give me my admin back i'll put up a $500 reward to anyone who manages to fix our hosting problem. Then another couple hundred in advertising the server to attract new users. Then some training videos geared towards complete beginners. Then modify my streaming style to attract more users. Then offer players the opportunity to earn $ by training new players.
Or maybe i can just ask Tupac to hack the server (which he has absolutely no fucking idea how to do because it's light years above his DDOS/Botnet capabilities) and make me admin again!
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Seriously, for the last 3 weeks now, war2 has been dead as fuck. TK's SS of the channel is not something that he couldn't have about 30 of in the last 3 weeks.
I haven't seen more than 30 people on more than a couple of times. Even on the weekends it still seems like a ghost town. I know the weather is getting nicer people, but it seems everyone has taken their "break" all at once and those who haven't, are now being forced to leave and take breaks, creating even less population.
Unfortunate circumstance taking place and I hope it doesn't lead to long term negative effects as a whole. I know historically the server has it's ups and downs but this seems like a pretty bad down.
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there hasn't been one time i've logged on during "peak" hours (which tend to be 4pm-10pm U.S. central time) where there weren't at least 15 people in the lobby, and 40 users online prior to 2-3 weeks ago with the exception of a server crash. I dont think i've EVER logged on to see less than 10 users in chat without their being a server crash. ever.
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If ya'll ever want to give me my admin back i'll put up a $500 reward to anyone who manages to fix our hosting problem. Then another couple hundred in advertising the server to attract new users. Then some training videos geared towards complete beginners. Then modify my streaming style to attract more users. Then offer players the opportunity to earn $ by training new players.
Or maybe i can just ask Tupac to hack the server (which he has absolutely no fucking idea how to do because it's light years above his DDOS/Botnet capabilities) and make me admin again!
Ahh if only that was correct. I'm not a cyber criminal I prevent that type of activity. So people like you who pay people to ddos or commit such crimes because you will never be admin again. You have yet to post proof of such accusations. I'm way more dangerous then you can imagine. Too bad for you I'm not a malicious asshole. So you can continue you're search on the deep web.
I know 0 days in war2 that would backdoor your machine the second you download a map in a lobby. I have informed blizzard with a POC. Too bad blid, il can smell you are a worthless scum. Good job mr no admin. 😂🤣 but keep on with the lies you only motivate me. :)
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Yeah bild thanks for putting up wif me for all those years u done a good loyal job
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thank you blid for all the effort you put towards the community. unfortunate to see people hating. it does not help the community to be disrespectful and spiteful towards its members.
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He doesn't do s***. All of the admins are well aware of it. Call it hating or whatever you will, that's just the way it is.
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I just wish iL would see it. Maybe I'm wrong but I've always got the impression that blid is a little bit of his right hand man.. and I'm convinced he is indirectly doing more harm to this community than good. But I've always said that and nothing is changed. I guess I will keep on saying it until there's nobody around to listen.... which appears to be in the not-too-distant future
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you can't have people in leadership positions that dont exude leadership qualities ... in any aspect of life. it doesnt work long term. ever.
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There was 50 people on over the week at once in like 10 games.
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:thumbsup: will try to game more often :-X
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Tk for admin!!
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I just wish iL would see it. Maybe I'm wrong but I've always got the impression that blid is a little bit of his right hand man..
I wouldn't say, somebody is somebody's hand. We are the team. We make all the decisions together.
Nobody of us can say: "i'm a boss here, so you should do this and this".
At the same time when i want to change something, i ask other admins what they think about it. Their thoughts help tp make proper decision. Many times i asked others about some idea and they explained me that my idea was stupid. After that i began to understand that myself. That is a great help from team!
That's not about only Blid, but also about ~ToRa~ and mousEtopher and of course Xurnt. And several more people, who are not so active, but i appreciate their opinions too.
Also, i don't like to get in to the community conflicts, i'd prefer to make some tech job with game & server, but sometimes i see my help could be useful here. Then i have to read tons of scandal topic, ask people and try to make my own opinion about the situation. Sometimes my involvement can help, i hope so.
But most time if Blid (together with ~ToRa~ and mousEtopher) decides to ban somebody, i don't protest as i don't know most players well, and i trust they makes proper decision, as that usually happens.
and I'm convinced he is indirectly doing more harm to this community than good. But I've always said that and nothing is changed. I guess I will keep on saying it until there's nobody around to listen.... which appears to be in the not-too-distant future
If you think Blid makes some improper decisions, let's discuss it here.
Please, let's discuss someone's activities, not personalities.
I trust everyone of us tries to do everything possible to make things better. Maybe some actions are harmful, then, let's discuss it!
If ya'll ever want to give me my admin back i'll put up a $500 reward to anyone who manages to fix our hosting problem.
BTW, i have some ideas about lat trick-based hosting fixing (thanks to Lambchops for some useful conversations)!
Maybe that will be implemented one day.
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When i was being considered for admin, Some made it seem as if it were Blid's decision.. and the fact that Blid spent 30-60 mins questioning me before I got admin reinforced that idea.. It seemed as an "unwritten" fact of the server. You own the server iL, but i never had any discussions/questions/interviews with you before I became admin. Only blid.
Throughout my time as admin it was always "understood" that blid was the deciding factor... Now maybe that was very incorrect and he just wanted us to perceive him in that fashion, already knowing that you had little interest in how conflicts/issues were handled, and more interested in the technical side of the server... and just allowed me(and others) to believe that he was 2nd in charge.
Ultimately this server's success is in your hand's iL. You have the ultimate decision on everything. You own it. You operate it.. with some assistance from other's it seems.. But the server is more or less "your baby".
My point is that if you want this server to continue to be successful. You need to put people in charge who are motivated to keeping the server going. If an admin appears to have lost interest in helping with that, it should be your responsibility to make it very clear that an unmotivated admin no longer has a large voice.
It is my opinion (and many others who I will not mention) that blid no longer has a desire to serve the community in a manner that should be required of someone in a leadership position like an admin. His voice and his opinion on any matters regarding the server/community should hold little if any weight for that reason alone.
Everyone wants to be a nice guy. I feel like you want to be a nice guy... But being a nice guy does not give the well being of this War2 community as a whole the respect it should be given from someone in your position.
Someone with some passion, drive, and a vision needs to be appointed as admin and then be ALLOWED to implement the ideas they have if this community is to be around much longer.
but again.. I've been saying this same shit for a few years now. The server has been in decline for a few years now. Nothing has changed.. So I don't really see much hope here.
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I will say that while I don't agree with mousetopher on a lot of issues (we agree on some though) ... She is probably one of the best things that has happened to this server in quite some time. I didn't think i'd ever say that. But I am impressed with the amount of work she has put in that directly benefited the community.
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Dugs, Footnat, Blid, Lightbringer ... i see no real contributions. Just complacency. Comfort in their positions.
dugs was put on solely to ban dellam because of the time dugs logged on
foonat hasn't really done shit as long as i've been around.. i've even respectfully asked him for help years ago and he had zero interest on multiple occasions
haven't seen blid even log on the server under his admin name in years. he's moved a few threads around on the forums.
havent seen LB log on more than a few times in the last couple years. i don't recall him helping others out much. I do remember him abusing the database quite a few times
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how is a server supposed to be successful when there are essentially no expectations of the people appointed as "leaders" ?
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Sorry if you probably dislike my manner to quote each statement and answer separately, i don't understand english very well, so it's easier for me to go that way to not forget something important:
When i was being considered for admin, Some made it seem as if it were Blid's decision.. and the fact that Blid spent 30-60 mins questioning me before I got admin reinforced that idea.. It seemed as an "unwritten" fact of the server. You own the server iL, but i never had any discussions/questions/interviews with you before I became admin. Only blid.
All our admins joined our admin teams by the recommendation of someone else. Blid talked to you and then probably recommended you as new admin (i think so, i don't remember exactly). Same way, Blid have been recommended by Burnt as new admin years before. I didn't know any of you before, so i haven't had my own opinion about any candidate.
Hm, i own the server? I just registered our vps-hosting and then configured it. So, maybe yes, technically i can say i own the server. Same as mousey own the forum & site. But that doesn't matter. Many other people tried to own their own servers, and all these servers are empty. The main sense for each project is community.
And nobody can own the community.
And our common task is to make conditions for our community to become and feel better.
I just try to improve the server and software as i can. I also try to talk about some important questions related to community desires as i understand that. I'm not a main admin here, some of my ideas were stupid, other admins explained that to me. Also, some ideas were not stupid, i hope.
The question is not who is the main admin. The question is what idea looks reasonable for all admins. If we all find some idea interesting, we follow it.
Throughout my time as admin it was always "understood" that blid was the deciding factor... Now maybe that was very incorrect and he just wanted us to perceive him in that fashion, already knowing that you had little interest in how conflicts/issues were handled, and more interested in the technical side of the server... and just allowed me(and others) to believe that he was 2nd in charge.
Well, as i remember that time: evef if Blid decided to do something, we always discussed that decisions together in our admin team. When all the admins accept the idea, we applied it.
Just to understand: you mean Blid decided what? To ban somebody? To judge conflicts between our members?
"He called me, then i called him, then he called me again, so you should ban him?.." What to do with that? Are you talking about such decisions?
If you mean such activity - i can say it's always bad for reputation. If you judge 2 persons and make decision to one of them, another will dislike you.
That's why so many people dislike Blid, but that is a part of admin job. That is hard job, and I apreciate Blid for doing this.
I tried to do that myself, but i don't like that. People become to hate me. I'd prefer another type of activity, related to hosting, server, programming, etc.
Ultimately this server's success is in your hand's iL. You have the ultimate decision on everything. You own it. You operate it.. with some assistance from other's it seems.. But the server is more or less "your baby".
I like this server and it's software. I think it should be made much better, but it works as it also. I really made many fixes and improvements to let our community feel confortable here.
At the same time i could do nothing without others. Other admins, programmers, designers, developers, promoters made it better. Not only admins, but many people in our community. Sometimes someone just appears with one good project, give it to community and then just disappears. And we still use his work.
My point is that if you want this server to continue to be successful. You need to put people in charge who are motivated to keeping the server going. If an admin appears to have lost interest in helping with that, it should be your responsibility to make it very clear that an unmotivated admin no longer has a large voice.
It is my opinion (and many others who I will not mention) that blid no longer has a desire to serve the community in a manner that should be required of someone in a leadership position like an admin. His voice and his opinion on any matters regarding the server/community should hold little if any weight for that reason alone.
Everyone wants to be a nice guy. I feel like you want to be a nice guy... But being a nice guy does not give the well being of this War2 community as a whole the respect it should be given from someone in your position.
Someone with some passion, drive, and a vision needs to be appointed as admin and then be ALLOWED to implement the ideas they have if this community is to be around much longer.
but again.. I've been saying this same shit for a few years now. The server has been in decline for a few years now. Nothing has changed.. So I don't really see much hope here.
I agree we need some active positively motivated people to do good things for our community.
With one condition: that good things should be accepted by all our current admins. If somebody comes with some ideas and he trust his ideas are the best, but they contradicts current way - that ideas should be rejected. Why? Because that's very easy to destroy, but very difficult to build. So, if somebody comes with ideas to destroy something, nobody knows if he will be able to build or just keep things destroyed. And current admin team keeps thing for years. Maybe not the best way, but they do.
The most specific example - Equinox. He offered to destroy the existing system and then to create a "brave new world" after that. We could not accept that decision, because there's not a good way to firstly destroy something.
About inactive and unmotivated admins: i don't see any problem if they just inactive. For your examples, dugs, foonat. What's bad if he just join once a year and do something useful? The main thing here is reliance. We trust he will never do something wrong before discuss that to us. Then that's not a problem at all to let him be an admin as long as the server lives. For example, Xurnt stopped his admin job. We will not be happy if he would ban someone on the server/forum without any discussions, but we definitely will be happy if he appears to start a tournament, even once a year.
About Blid: he is so unpopular because he have to make unpopular decisions about judging people. I really don't think he is really happy to do that, but someone have to do such job.
We need some reasonable balance between absolute anarchy and absolute order. Blid manages that. (If you mean this kind of his job).
If i begin to judge people instead or him, people will hate me the same way.
If you have some ideas how to improve that situation without destroying (like fire Blid away or w/e) - would be interesting to discuss.
Let's talk positively about wrong actions (that action was wrong, let's follow another way), but not people (that guy is bad, let's remove him).
What do you mean "to ALLOW to implement the ideas"?
I really don't understand why so many people don't help with war2 project, but looks like they want to help.
I asked about to translate war2combat to spanish, french, german, italian, polish - only 1 spanish guy helped, thanks him a lot! So now we have war2combat on english, russian and spanish.
But nobody answered to translate it to french, german, italian, polish. Though that would take about 1-2 evenings for such job for native speaker.
Maybe the main question is: 'what is "to be an admin" for you?
- Xurnt makes great tournaments from time to time, but he asked to remove his admin to not provoke him ban someone. But i still feel him admin.
- Blid have no access to the server command shell: he have no reason for that: he is not a linux administrator and not even an advanced unix user. But we all feel him admin.
- Kagan have some admin rights on the server: to set icon or w/e, he manages clans, he also makes tournaments. But he is not an admin on the forum or w/e. He just don't need that. He also have no access to the server console or to the forum scripts. But he i admin for tournaments management.
So, what you mean as "admin"?
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You guys dropped the ball by not banning BabyShark and Tupac. I think you lost the trust from a lot of the community there.
GOG will be fun to see if the game blows up or not.. If not I have found enough other interests anyways it is too depressing for me to log onto a empty server.
There was a ton of momentum going and things were on a upswing before server attacked and I just don't know if you guys can turn it around now. The new combat updates give it hope but seems a little too late. We had the ddraw fix like what 5 years ago?? Now by time its been added the next windows version probably coming where another new one will be needed.
The discord is a great meet up place too that might dig you guys out of this hole. If enough people keep registering there and meeting up for games..but things look gloomy.
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dugs was put on solely to ban dellam because of the time dugs logged on
i, dugs[anz], am still manning the wall from the evil that lies north. dellam has not defeated us in my 5+ year tenure as a sworn brother of the night's watch.
nor shall he, ever.
p.s i didn't realise you had to be mod/admin to encourage people to play here? like, you're a senior member of this community, what forbids you from telling your friends about this game? adminship? really? look at all the work Cel, justinscmidt, tolean, babyshark and many more are doing with their streaming and instructional videos/replays. don't see these awesome passionate people pointing fingers like you always do.
p.p.s
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You guys dropped the ball by not banning BabyShark and Tupac. I think you lost the trust from a lot of the community there.
GOG will be fun to see if the game blows up or not.. If not I have found enough other interests anyways it is too depressing for me to log onto a empty server.
There was a ton of momentum going and things were on a upswing before server attacked and I just don't know if you guys can turn it around now. The new combat updates give it hope but seems a little too late. We had the ddraw fix like what 5 years ago?? Now by time its been added the next windows version probably coming where another new one will be needed.
The discord is a great meet up place too that might dig you guys out of this hole. If enough people keep registering there and meeting up for games..but things look gloomy.
You destroyed this game don't blame noone else. The first time you banned me over 8 years ago because you got owned. You should of been permanently banned then and there. You are a criminal in real life, you are a coward! What about when you called my employer a few months back? You should of been permanently banned again. I'm still awaiting for the FBI to kick in my door. Babyshark has caught you in lie after lie after lie. How did you know about a server attack before it happend. Let's watch you dodge all these questions. Of course you want me and babyshark banned because we exposed you for what you really are.
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You guys dropped the ball by not banning BabyShark and Tupac. I think you lost the trust from a lot of the community there.
You think we should ban people right after they begin to criticise us?
You are stiil the main leader in our community for many people, include me.
So i apreciate you ideas, but i still not understand them.
My idea: if we ban someone, he will go away, so the community will decrease. If other will dislike our hard behavior, they will go away together with banned player to make their separate server together. That is a very quick way to loose the community.
At the same time i agree we should not let toxic atmosphere eat us. Maybe our policy if too soft, you'll never know the best way till you try that...
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obviously we have different views about what can/should be done to benefit this community. But the community continues to decline. Nothing ever seems to really change. Just see more business as usual. I guess there's really nothing left to discuss on this matter. just let these server take its course. The course that you and the few others have almost complete control over. A course that does not appear to be working by pretty much everybody's standards.
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p.s. tupac: nobody believes anything you say
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p.s. tupac: nobody believes anything you say
Just like none wants you to have admin. 😂🤣
Everything I said is facts unlike you and burnt.
War2usa.com + people
War2.ru - People
The charts don't lie!
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the admins (most) don't want me as admin. Oh well. I guess that's what happens when you talkshit about their lack of motivation
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I do believe you and I do find it interesting that your server is gaining members very slowly while our server is losing members very slowly
I don't expect that to last forever though
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If anybody is curious as to how Tupac server is managing to gain users the answer is simple. They currently have a high energetic motivated staff... that for the time being is managing to keep their crazy under control. But they can only keep their crazy under control for so long
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If anybody is curious as to how Tupac server is managing to gain users the answer is simple. They currently have a high energetic motivated staff... that for the time being is managing to keep their crazy under control. But they can only keep their crazy under control for so long
You all are missing the point. You don't have all the answers. I know you think you do! My staff is highly motivated that's true. But the most important part is we respect each other, people just want to play warcraft. My team is so motivated they overwhelm me. I'm doing as much as I can with a busy life. I havent even released my client yet. So you think we are growing we haven't even started, nor have we even tried to advertise, seo, etc. Only some much I can do at a time! You will definitely see us shine this summer I will have much free time. Expect us!
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the admins (most) don't want me as admin. Oh well. I guess that's what happens when you talkshit about their lack of motivation
War2 is primarily losing it's player base because it's a 20+ year old game, the players keep getting older, and the community isn't very welcoming to new players. The only real things that could help is someone actively promoting the server to new players or someone who could work along-side iL on development. The first doesn't require any special access, and very few people posses the second skill.
However, extending elevated access to the wrong person could absolutely have the opposite effect. I believe most of the people over the years that have promoted themselves for admin fall in to this category.
I actually think you'd probably be fine, although you do occasionally do questionable leadership things like this rant thread you have going on here. But since you don't possess the development skills personally, about the only way I could see you making things better is if granting you that access inspired you to spend a lot of time promoting the server and helping new players at a level that far exceeds what you already do as a player.
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Well today was a good day on ru.
There was a good turn out and (comparatively) lots of games :D
IDK if it was a response to the current discussion, or perhaps tora got on his FB messenger, or just coincidence, but ultimately idc because I am just happy to see people playing wc2 anywhere ... so YAY 8)
>> I would like to say, that despite my recent comments about past events, I HAVE noticed that the community in general has become a bit more civil of late.<<
Perhaps we are all getting a bit wiser. Maybe the abscence of couple of the overtly toxic people who don't seem to be around as much, setting the tone, has played a part idk, but recently I do think the server has generally had a better atmosphere, so good work us :)
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I see there's a fresh round of blid-bashing and admin bashing in general, gotta say a couple of things:
@tk[as], when has the line "I hate you guys, fuck you, you all suck, I should be the boss, can I be the boss?" worked anywhere, ever?
I wasn't very active when you were admin, so I don't know. Despite (obviously) disagreeing with you on some of things, you seem to be a reasonably decent guy who loves the game... perhaps you could be a decent admin. I'm not joining your campaign team or anything, but I think the biggest factor against you is that you keep flaming the shit out of people - *that is not very adminly behavior.
I like blid, he's a nice guy. He's not a very hands-on admin that's true, but I think that is the result of a (right or wrong) historical community policy decision as much as his laid back nature. Also with the amount of flaming/complaining/arguing that has gone on over the years, I would expect it to be a full-time paid position for anyone to actually read and adjudicate on all that crap. I know I sure couldn't do it.
I think if you seriously and sensibly approach blid with an issue he will listen and have a fair crack at making a fair decision. There's no point in saying, "I've been spitting flames all over the forum for days and you havn't done anything", because the chances are he hasn't even read it, and neither has anyone else. I think the same can usually be said of the other admins that I know.
i don't want to take care of that as i'm not a native-spoken english and it's quite difficult for me to understand some moments. But the main reason is i don't understand mentality of our community, i even don't know most players here, so, i'd prefer to work on technical questions.
Yeah, it's hard enough to wade through it all as a native english speaker, that is why there's a number of admins. I think most people understand your role to be more of a technical server admin than directly managing the personal issues.
You guys dropped the ball by not banning BabyShark and Tupac. I think you lost the trust from a lot of the community there.
IMO the people who were using the "BabySharkIsFat" etc. names should have had those names removed and been warned to cut it out, that's just nasty and unnecessary. I have used parody names myself on individual occasions or for a joke, but after the fact like that?... it's a bit off, just laying the boots in, however allowing that sort of thing is in line with policy.
Arguably it could have been a fair decision to ban BS and tupac from this forum for actively promoting another server here, and I am sure that pleanty of other sites would have done that, but I think it is absolutely the right decision not to: you can't have a wild west anything goes free speech policy and then ban people for posting flyers over the graffiti. So I think that is consistant and appropriate.
I see absolutely no reason for either of them to be banned from the server, unless you are going to convict tupac of DDOSing just because you want it to be him.
My idea: if we ban someone, he will go away, so the community will decrease.
Banning should always be a last resort. If we have standards of decency we can apply social pressure. I just takes a few well respected people to publicly tell others when their behavior is inappropriate. At the time. In game or in the channel. If someone is being really harsh, say something. The excuse that they are a good player and may have a point is not really good enough. You can make a point without being a total van about it. Give respect - get respect.
for the time being is managing to keep their crazy under control.
That's all any of us need to do. Anyone still playing this game is a bit loopy in one way or another, but as long as we can mostly keep our nuts in the jar this game will be a lot more accessable. Nobody wants to see people with their nuts hanging out, it's just unsightly.
p.s. tupac: nobody believes anything you say
Just like none wants you to have admin.
LOL epic ;D get your backspace key onto that tk..
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IDK if it was a response to the current discussion, or perhaps tora got on his FB messenger, or just coincidence, but ultimately idc because I am just happy to see people playing wc2 anywhere ... so YAY
Lol, I’m pretty busy right now with my current project but I’ll have some free time come May. Then I’ll do some fresh rounds of tournament hosting.
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dudes there's people around :o,look at fios post 100+ downloads on a picture and that post is like what 2 weeks old...feeling sceered!
warcraft 2 isnt going to die,people just dont sit in bnet anymore,you got discord and stuff and they play when they want.
i dont want anyone really playing alot,i think we all know how addicting war2 can be.
like 18 hrs a day :'( :'( :'( like the good ole days :'( :'( :'( :'( gone get beer :-X :o :D
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@Lambchops you look like one of the most sane man here!
Nice to read your posts!
Several more people with such feeling in our community, and it would be much more pleasant!
I wasn't very active when you were admin, so I don't know. Despite (obviously) disagreeing with you on some of things, you seem to be a reasonably decent guy who loves the game... perhaps you could be a decent admin. I'm not joining your campaign team or anything, but I think the biggest factor against you is that you keep flaming the shit out of people - *that is not very adminly behavior.
Let me explain why i'm not so enthusiastic about tk's admin job.
The main thing here is reliance. We trust he will never do something wrong before discuss that to us.
I think, admin should use his admin facilities according to other admins in the team. If he do something, he need to be sure other admins agree with his action or at least have no protests against that. When one of admins just decides to delete some thread on the forum or delete somebody with all his posts despite of other team opinions, that is not an admin i'd like to welcome in our team.
I don't want to know i can join the forum and not to find some post or topic, "just because some admin decided that should not be here".
That is the main and purely technical reason i don't recommend tk to be a forum admin.
At the same time i don't protest about some admin access on the server. I mean, from technical side. There's no important data in the pvpgn database, all the admin commands being logged, so even if one of admins decides to erase someone's stats for some unknown reason, that will be easy to restore it, or just stay as is.
About common sence: i actually don't see how admin on the server will help tk to do what he wants to do:
To make tournaments? To advertise in socials? To make some more activities around the project? I'd be happy if he decide to do that. But how being admin will help here?
At the same time tk have no plans to catch/ban cheaters, to moderate forum (as i understand he hates any moderation), so, w/e?
When some of our players make tournament, i give them an admin icon in bnet chat. To make others see he is a tournament admin. And maybe that's pleasant for tournament admin. At the same time such icon gives nothing except pleasure.
If tk needs some mark of admin for his own pleasure - i'd be happy to do that! But with no real access to delete/change things as for admins who really handle such content.
"Keep flaming the shit" is less important factor, though it's one of the reasons too. At the same time i absolutely understand tk being angry after exiting his moderation job. Looks like he is not against me and our admin team last time, i like to see that.
I have nothing against tk personaly, his relations with other members are only his relations. And he could be a very good guy to promote war2 game and community, to make some social work for it and so on!
IMO the people who were using the "BabySharkIsFat" etc. names should have had those names removed and been warned to cut it out, that's just nasty and unnecessary. I have used parody names myself on individual occasions or for a joke, but after the fact like that?... it's a bit off, just laying the boots in, however allowing that sort of thing is in line with policy.
Absolutely agree, that is not relations we should tolerate here! Even rules denies such things. Such "jokers" should be banned with that "joke" account, same as his main account, and BabyShark is absolutely right to protest against such attacks.
That's sad, but i even didn't know about that.
The problem is pvpgn is still absolutely not designed to handle such types of behavior: anybody can just rejoin with newly created account from proxy and that will no common way to prevent this.
Arguably it could have been a fair decision to ban BS and tupac from this forum for actively promoting another server here, and I am sure that pleanty of other sites would have done that, but I think it is absolutely the right decision not to: you can't have a wild west anything goes free speech policy and then ban people for posting flyers over the graffiti. So I think that is consistant and appropriate.
Absolutely agree: i don't like that actions for promoting some server positioned like "server against ours" or w/e and use our server for that promotion. That looks insane for me, but i prefer to make some technical job and expect other admins do something with that.
Banning should always be a last resort. If we have standards of decency we can apply social pressure. I just takes a few well respected people to publicly tell others when their behavior is inappropriate. At the time. In game or in the channel. If someone is being really harsh, say something. The excuse that they are a good player and may have a point is not really good enough. You can make a point without being a total van about it. Give respect - get respect.
Absolutely agree: if someone makes troubles for us, that means he/she tries to say something important to us. Our task is to listen, understand and find mutually profitable decision.
I'm sorrow about BabyShark, i trust she could become a very good help for our community, to make it clean from toxicity. Looks like she is an active player, she likes war2, so she could turn the community to civil and positive way. And i'd be happy to make some conditions to help her with that great job.
I think, if we have to ban somebody, that means our admin job was bad.
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You guys dropped the ball by not banning BabyShark and Tupac. I think you lost the trust from a lot of the community there.
GOG will be fun to see if the game blows up or not.. If not I have found enough other interests anyways it is too depressing for me to log onto a empty server.
There was a ton of momentum going and things were on a upswing before server attacked and I just don't know if you guys can turn it around now. The new combat updates give it hope but seems a little too late. We had the ddraw fix like what 5 years ago?? Now by time its been added the next windows version probably coming where another new one will be needed.
The discord is a great meet up place too that might dig you guys out of this hole. If enough people keep registering there and meeting up for games..but things look gloomy.
You destroyed this game don't blame noone else. The first time you banned me over 8 years ago because you got owned. You should of been permanently banned then and there. You are a criminal in real life, you are a coward! What about when you called my employer a few months back? You should of been permanently banned again. I'm still awaiting for the FBI to kick in my door. Babyshark has caught you in lie after lie after lie. How did you know about a server attack before it happend. Let's watch you dodge all these questions. Of course you want me and babyshark banned because we exposed you for what you really are.
How does banning you ruin war2?
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You guys dropped the ball by not banning BabyShark and Tupac. I think you lost the trust from a lot of the community there.
You think we should ban people right after they begin to criticise us?
You are stiil the main leader in our community for many people, include me.
So i apreciate you ideas, but i still not understand them.
My idea: if we ban someone, he will go away, so the community will decrease. If other will dislike our hard behavior, they will go away together with banned player to make their separate server together. That is a very quick way to loose the community.
At the same time i agree we should not let toxic atmosphere eat us. Maybe our policy if too soft, you'll never know the best way till you try that...
He took the server down for 3 weeks while BabyShark tried to move the playerbase. They should have been banned. Then you let them spit their bullcrap propaganda after the fact.
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on a different note, I personally would like to know where lamb chops is dedicating the majority of his assistance. With Tupac's server? or .ru?
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on a different note, I personally would like to know where lamb chops is dedicating the majority of his assistance. With Tupac's server? or .ru?
Where ever he wants too. Hes a grown ass man.
You guys dropped the ball by not banning BabyShark and Tupac. I think you lost the trust from a lot of the community there.
You think we should ban people right after they begin to criticise us?
You are stiil the main leader in our community for many people, include me.
So i apreciate you ideas, but i still not understand them.
My idea: if we ban someone, he will go away, so the community will decrease. If other will dislike our hard behavior, they will go away together with banned player to make their separate server together. That is a very quick way to loose the community.
At the same time i agree we should not let toxic atmosphere eat us. Maybe our policy if too soft, you'll never know the best way till you try that...
He took the server down for 3 weeks while BabyShark tried to move the playerbase. They should have been banned. Then you let them spit their bullcrap propaganda after the fact.
Ohh you mean the guy you paid took down the server for 3 weeks? How'd you know it got ddosed before it got ddosed?
You guys dropped the ball by not banning BabyShark and Tupac. I think you lost the trust from a lot of the community there.
GOG will be fun to see if the game blows up or not.. If not I have found enough other interests anyways it is too depressing for me to log onto a empty server.
There was a ton of momentum going and things were on a upswing before server attacked and I just don't know if you guys can turn it around now. The new combat updates give it hope but seems a little too late. We had the ddraw fix like what 5 years ago?? Now by time its been added the next windows version probably coming where another new one will be needed.
The discord is a great meet up place too that might dig you guys out of this hole. If enough people keep registering there and meeting up for games..but things look gloomy.
You destroyed this game don't blame noone else. The first time you banned me over 8 years ago because you got owned. You should of been permanently banned then and there. You are a criminal in real life, you are a coward! What about when you called my employer a few months back? You should of been permanently banned again. I'm still awaiting for the FBI to kick in my door. Babyshark has caught you in lie after lie after lie. How did you know about a server attack before it happend. Let's watch you dodge all these questions. Of course you want me and babyshark banned because we exposed you for what you really are.
How does banning you ruin war2?
Well how many people did he ban because he lost in free castles? He has a long history in abusive admin. What if he banned you because you beat him in GOW?
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on a different note, I personally would like to know where lamb chops is dedicating the majority of his assistance. With Tupac's server? or .ru?
I'm willing to collaborate with anyone who is working towards the betterment of wc2.
I am not supporting either server over the other, I am happy to play anywhere there are people having fun playing wc2.
As you have probably guessed, I don't mind typing ;) and I have had a lot of private discussions with verious people who have various levels of programming skill, and tried to learn from and help them all. That includes both iL and Tupac and quite a few others as well.
Quite honestly mate, I rarely "choose sides" when grooups of people are posturing at each other. Most groups will have a range of people from the exceptional to the aweful. I try to remain loyal to those who give me the same, and I try not to judge thise that I don't particularly click with.
Most recently I was collaborating with iL. When he started the wc2 font project, he had an idea, posted his source and it was a good thing for the game in general. We spent a bit of time working on it, ec helped out with some testing, and I think we came up with a good result in the end. WC2 gets a little bit better ... everyone wins.