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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: iL on June 18, 2015, 04:55:52 AM
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Well, let's update War2PLoader to last version.
It should ask you about update next time you start it.
New version is 1.0.0.6 - the 1-st version includes antihack.
Original post separated from here: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,1049.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,1049.0.html)
Create a basic known hacking list and do something. I have a working version in visual Basic already. It detects couple hacks and drops you from the game instantly. We would want to add server integration that's encrypted when sent for auto ban or what ever we want... well who's down?
Do you mean antihack project?
That could be interesting for me also to be a part of such team, but i'm going to release my 1-st version myself in a few days.
Client part is ready as next War2PLoader update, the question is the server part.
I hope to release it in 1-2 weeks.
Another thing is i have no plans to share the source code of my antihack to avoid debugging and bypassing the protection.
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exciting news, iL! Looking forward to seeing what you have for us
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Yeah I would not share. If you are releasing it soon I will move on to another project. Just had no clue when it was comming. Awesome! !!!
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you should silent release it and see how many people you can catch first
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you should silent release it and see how many people you can catch first
It's like my dream, best suggestion ever lol.
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Without giving to much info away. Are you locking down the exe for war2. How are you going about to make sure we are running the antihack.. what if the hacker is using war2 bne not ru??? Or I just load the nod loader instead of the loader or patcher....
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Good question
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Without giving to much info away. Are you locking down the exe for war2. How are you going about to make sure we are running the antihack.. what if the hacker is using war2 bne not ru??? Or I just load the nod loader instead of the loader or patcher....
Sure, i can publish it's logic:
I'm not locking down the exe for war2, why? The antihack (War2PLoader) works with any version of exe (or maybe only 2.0.2.0 if lazy to test for 2.0.2.1), not only combat.
Antihack sends packets to the server every several seconds.
If you activate hack, server is being notified about that by antihack and activates some action (like banning/kicking you and notifying others).
If you close antihack (by killing it's process of w/e) server see that packets from your side disappeared and activates the same action.
If you start any war2 version without antihack server see no packets from your side and activates some action too (like warns you to start the antihack).
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Okay sounds good. Wondering how easy it is to send fake packets to the server do you have some type of authentication when the server reads packets.. if this is to much we can go to pm.
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Well, that packets are encrypted with some consistency checks.
Of course that is one of weak places, so i'll consider any try to send fake packet as a hacking attempt with immediate permbanning that client.
Also antihack will be hardware binded, so 1 mistake will be enough for each hacker.
Also i can change that encryption logic as soon as somebody hack it and reease it as an update to War2PLoader.
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you should silent release it and see how many people you can catch first
It's like my dream, best suggestion ever lol.
Lol, this is what I attempted to do with Jordan and that guy ItMustBeLove a few years ago. We were gonna have a huge update that put in the hotkeys for different languages, black to pink patch, etc. But it would also write to a file on the server whenever someone hacked, and we could just let it run for a few months and see who the hackers had always been. Unfortunately never got it done :( ItMustBeLove did so much work and came so far and then I never heard from him again
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Awesome sounds good!! Well how many hacks do you think this detects? You need memory address I can compile a list that can be used for hacking...
Edit: Make a hidden section for a handful of people so we can add a bunch of values to detect.
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Awesome sounds good!! Well how many hacks do you think this detects? You need memory address I can compile a list that can be used for hacking...
Edit: Make a hidden section for a handful of people so we can add a bunch of values to detect.
The forum should allow for special groups.
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damn, it all sounds awesome. Keep it the good work, il
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you should silent release it and see how many people you can catch first
It's like my dream, best suggestion ever lol.
Lol, this is what I attempted to do with Jordan and that guy ItMustBeLove a few years ago. We were gonna have a huge update that put in the hotkeys for different languages, black to pink patch, etc. But it would also write to a file on the server whenever someone hacked, and we could just let it run for a few months and see who the hackers had always been. Unfortunately never got it done :( ItMustBeLove did so much work and came so far and then I never heard from him again
Unfortunately iL is probably too soft for this kind of trap.
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I think he might already have lol. We'll I have nothing to hide.
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I think he might already have lol. We'll I have nothing to hide.
Nah iL is not interested in tricking people. If he was up for this idea I wouldn't be bringing it up publicly :P
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Breaking news : Lightbringer- caught hacking with antihack. Equinox was right!
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Breaking news : Lightbringer- caught hacking with antihack. Equinox was right!
Everyone know im totally right about Lagbringhacks-
Not a big deal.
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my prediction, 1/3rd of custom players hack
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stealth update would be better than official one actually ;) catch all dem hackers and 1month banzzz
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Well get ready to advertise like hell when this drops ;)
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my prediction, 1/3rd of custom players hack
My prediciton is 1/2 of the total server hacks.
And probably more.
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my prediction, 1/3rd of custom players hack
My prediciton is 1/2 of the total server hacks.
And probably more.
Wouldn't surprise me
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my prediction, 1/3rd of custom players hack
My prediciton is 1/2 of the total server hacks.
And probably more.
Wouldn't surprise me
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Most of peoples dint even know how to scout properly but they still find everything like if they does, dont ask yourself why.
Actually they dont even know how to play, most of their win are total luck from hacking.
They just have no knowledge and no brain about real strategie.
They are just playing the basic game without push the strategie at their limit.
OT, RUSH, POWER, WEAK DUAL, this is what they know, but dont ask them about ressource management or build order where most of people dint even build good after ten years, they still win because they play against other loser.
Whithout being extremist, there some players who are really smart about strategie.
Like Rat, Koorb, Dugs, Jesk, they actually know how to play, but there not alot of player like them.
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Well need a test run before release??
I feel you have a lot of confidence in your project. I am curious about the project myself. This could be alot of potential here. This thread got kind of messy.
1. How many hacks possible detected? How can we make it better detection?
2. How much testing was behind this?
3. Stable with windows 10?
4. You mention hardware banning. So if I load new Virtual Machine / VPN. Was the ban bypassed?? You can fix this problem with strick accounts...
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Nah iL is not interested in tricking people.
Something like that: i can't explain, but i think it's wrong idea, even against cheaters.
Also the main reason for antihack is to stop cheating, not to catch people. Let's just close that page of history.
Well need a test run before release??
Let me release the client and test it in real work.
I'll finish the server part while collecting data from real users.
I feel you have a lot of confidence in your project. I am curious about the project myself. This could be alot of potential here. This thread got kind of messy.
Well, i have to keep secret many things because client is working on the client side and could be hacked also. That is a big common problem that have not universal solution.
1. How many hacks possible detected? How can we make it better detection?
No limits. It can be improved easily. I can add any newly appeared hacks at any moment.
2. How much testing was behind this?
Not so much. I hope to finish tests after release. I will add some notifying/banning actions later. After i make sure it works perfect.
3. Stable with windows 10?
Sure, no any problems with new OS.
4. You mention hardware banning. So if I load new Virtual Machine / VPN. Was the ban bypassed?? You can fix this problem with strick accounts...
Hardware banning have different options, everything possible in future releases.
What's strick accounts?
Well, i just released antihack: War2PLoader 1.0.0.6.
It will request an update next time you will start it.
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So, new War2PLoader 1.0.0.6 with antihack engine should look the same as the previous version: no any messages, no lags, nothing new.
Except collecting data on the server.
Let me look at that data and release server side a little later, i hope in a few days.
First step will be not to ban or kick anyone, it will just inform players about 3 situations:
1. someone joined the game without antihack active.
2. someone with antihack activated one of known cheats while playing.
3. someone with antihack stopped/restarted antihack while playing.
I hope that would be enough for beginning.
If you want to help:
if you know any additional cheating addresses and values - PM them to me.
if you want to inspect my cryptoalgorytms or make some debugging - let me know about that and keep the results private, not sharing to anybody except me.
Otherwise i'll consider that a hacking attempt.
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Dude I'm flying home to use this and get banned. I only hack with CPU multiplayer to test in a vm.
I know like 5 address for map hack, 3-4 host hacks, and 3 build hacks, also spells hacks...
Some of these values are very important to pay attention to detail. The most fool proof way to watch some of them for cheating is comparing time.
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Without giving to much info away. Are you locking down the exe for war2. How are you going about to make sure we are running the antihack.. what if the hacker is using war2 bne not ru??? Or I just load the nod loader instead of the loader or patcher....
Stop spewing ideas for others to use to circumvent it. Just rest assured that iL has had many ideas and proven methods on this exact issue. Everything you have mentioned here has been thought about and accounted for, but for the sake of integrity, just stop spewing out guesses at this or that. Let people attempt to think of these ideas and fail at them on their own. Maybe they will give up trying all the methods that obviously wouldnt work before they find one that has the possibility to circumvent it.
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Ohhh lance is here.
We'll once the basic ideas are sealed then it's more tough. No problem with questions.
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I'm here more than you realize :P
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yeah isnt lance = xboi :P
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anyway, no point in having a war2 antihack that can be circumvented with thinking about it 5mins
tupacs concerns are useful feedbackWithout giving to much info away. Are you locking down the exe for war2. How are you going about to make sure we are running the antihack.. what if the hacker is using war2 bne not ru??? Or I just load the nod loader instead of the loader or patcher....
Stop spewing ideas for others to use to circumvent it. Just rest assured that iL has had many ideas and proven methods on this exact issue. Everything you have mentioned here has been thought about and accounted for, but for the sake of integrity, just stop spewing out guesses at this or that. Let people attempt to think of these ideas and fail at them on their own. Maybe they will give up trying all the methods that obviously wouldnt work before they find one that has the possibility to circumvent it.
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That doesnt mean that feedback needs to be conveyed publically. Private PM (like I did with iL) is far better.
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touche
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This antihack sounds intriguing. One suggestion is that the autoupdate shouldn't ask if you want to update or not it should just do it automatically.
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How is the encryption the weakest point?
Also to everyone: fostering discussion about the antihack is good because not every antihack is perfect so there's always room for improvement.
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Even if the anti hack gets nullified, only 1 or 2 people would have it so it doesn't even really matter. As long as 99% are legit, thats good enough.
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I not going to post how to bypass it. I might have spit out shit that was common sense. That's the whole point, exactly why we need a team for this project.
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I got nothing about updating when launching war2combat.
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I got the update but I didn't see anything telling me who has anti hack loaded. Will try again tmr I looked at it for like 5 minutes.
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Stop spewing ideas for others to use to circumvent it. Just rest assured that iL has had many ideas and proven methods on this exact issue. Everything you have mentioned here has been thought about and accounted for, but for the sake of integrity, just stop spewing out guesses at this or that. Let people attempt to think of these ideas and fail at them on their own. Maybe they will give up trying all the methods that obviously wouldnt work before they find one that has the possibility to circumvent it.
Agree in general. I edited my previous explanation about how it works (had been too many details). I hope i don't discover anything important now.
How is the encryption the weakest point?
Also to everyone: fostering discussion about the antihack is good because not every antihack is perfect so there's always room for improvement.
Each transmitting data should be encrypted. Also each encrypted data could be unencrypted in theory. So i have to care about making that process difficult and dangerous for hackers.
I think some common principals could be published to let people know that it's quite safe. And to discourage some possible hackers.
I'll try to think carefully what to publish and what to keep secret.
I got the update but I didn't see anything telling me who has anti hack loaded. Will try again tmr I looked at it for like 5 minutes.
There's nothing telling yet. Server side is not ready. I hope to release it in a few days according with data collected from several updated clients.
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I haven't looked at your antihack yet but I'll suggest that you obfuscate it if you haven't already.
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Well, i checked the collected info for last days, got some problems and decided to add some small fixes to that collecting mechanizm.
So i updated War2PLoader to the next version: 1.0.0.7.
Just confirm the update next time you start it.
I hope to release some working backend for antihack soon.
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So tupac the moron thinks he has invented an anti hack
This reminds me of this time $pace was making a new server
It's all just a bunch of lies to get attention
Stop giving tupac attention so that he can go away and stop making up his lies
There are several reasons an anti-hack is impossible
I can't be bothered listing them all here but anybody with an IQ like mine can easily see that
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So tupac the moron thinks he has invented an anti hack
This reminds me of this time $pace was making a new server
It's all just a bunch of lies to get attention
Stop giving tupac attention so that he can go away and stop making up his lies
There are several reasons an anti-hack is impossible
I can't be bothered listing them all here but anybody with an IQ like mine can easily see that
Hi EQ!
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Dellam is smarter then EQ. Please don't insult dellam like that.
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Surprised he's even allowed to post here after all the shit he's done [emoji45]
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Why the F do I see a post with the name Dellam attached to it? Get rid of that clown pls.
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i dont think that's actually dellam. something tells me its swift posting as dellam.
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IDK, whoever it is, knows how Dellam thinks and types then :P I think it's actually Dellam lol.
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Awww I think Dellam is nervous his warcrap is detected.
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So tupac the moron thinks he has invented an anti hack
This reminds me of this time $pace was making a new server
It's all just a bunch of lies to get attention
Stop giving tupac attention so that he can go away and stop making up his lies
There are several reasons an anti-hack is impossible
I can't be bothered listing them all here but anybody with an IQ like mine can easily see that
dellam, i am terribly sorry that i logged into your "peon.eater" account dellam
im sorry. will you forgive me?
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So tupac the moron thinks he has invented an anti hack
This reminds me of this time $pace was making a new server
It's all just a bunch of lies to get attention
Stop giving tupac attention so that he can go away and stop making up his lies
There are several reasons an anti-hack is impossible
I can't be bothered listing them all here but anybody with an IQ like mine can easily see that
dellam, i am terribly sorry that i logged into your "peon.eater" account dellam
im sorry. will you forgive me?
[emoji38]
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So tupac the moron thinks he has invented an anti hack
This reminds me of this time $pace was making a new server
It's all just a bunch of lies to get attention
Stop giving tupac attention so that he can go away and stop making up his lies
There are several reasons an anti-hack is impossible
I can't be bothered listing them all here but anybody with an IQ like mine can easily see that
dellam, i am terribly sorry that i logged into your "peon.eater" account dellam
im sorry. will you forgive me?
Claw don't be rubbing shit it. Sit the fuck down, don't try to act like you hacked the war2 hacker... you where spoonfed.
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So tupac the moron thinks he has invented an anti hack
This reminds me of this time $pace was making a new server
It's all just a bunch of lies to get attention
Stop giving tupac attention so that he can go away and stop making up his lies
There are several reasons an anti-hack is impossible
I can't be bothered listing them all here but anybody with an IQ like mine can easily see that
dellam, i am terribly sorry that i logged into your "peon.eater" account dellam
im sorry. will you forgive me?
Claw don't be rubbing shit it. Sit the fuck down, don't try to act like you hacked the war2 hacker... you where spoonfed.
Well according to him he was "being human"...[emoji53]
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Yes I noticed that u logged in my account, but u also changed the password
No , the anti hack doesn't work ( ask street fighter) lol!!!!!
If you bother explaining how it works I will explain to the masses why it is impossible
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Yes I noticed that u logged in my account, but u also changed the password
No , the anti hack doesn't work ( ask street fighter) lol!!!!!
If you bother explaining how it works I will explain to the masses why it is impossible
Just explain it now im curious!
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Yes I noticed that u logged in my account, but u also changed the password
No , the anti hack doesn't work ( ask street fighter) lol!!!!!
If you bother explaining how it works I will explain to the masses why it is impossible
Yes I noticed that u logged in my account, but u also changed the password
No , the anti hack doesn't work ( ask street fighter) lol!!!!!
If you bother explaining how it works I will explain to the masses why it is impossible
Just explain it now im curious!
On the side note, nice to see two hackers think alike [emoji39]
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Yes I noticed that u logged in my account, but u also changed the password
No , the anti hack doesn't work ( ask street fighter) lol!!!!!
If you bother explaining how it works I will explain to the masses why it is impossible
I hope you don't have any private hacks. They will be patched now.
You sure there is no anti hack? Nah there is one!! Just because nothing happend to you YET doesn't mean big brother don't know. 0.o
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Enjoy the hacks while you can dellam, your hacking days are numbered.
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Enjoy the hacks while you can dellam, your hacking days are numbered.
Don't fret, dellam is a Uber hacker...he already in the works for new hack.
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If you bother explaining how it works I will explain to the masses why it is impossible
OMG! YES! Now this should be good! *Grabs some popcorn and waits for the retard show to begin* Holy shit, where is the play button already. This should be better than the #1 Comedy movie of all time. Please Dellam, enlighten us on you're hacking prowess and how stopping you will be impossible LMAO. (Notice I said stopping YOU because we all know you use other people's hacks lmao).
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ICCUP has a working antihack for broodwar, and they are made from the same source code so antihack can be made. Dellam just wants details on how it works so he can try to work around it.
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ICCUP has a working antihack for broodwar, and they are made from the same source code so antihack can be made. Dellam just wants details on how it works so he can try to work around it.
Is dellam one person or a group of people? Like anonymous?
You never know he's such a l33t haxer...
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dellam will probably borrow his mom's credit card to hire a hacker to circumvent the antihack
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dellam will probably borrow his mom's credit card to hire a hacker to circumvent the antihack
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dellam will probably borrow his mom's credit card to hire a hacker to circumvent the antihack
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Lmao
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He won't bypass shit rofl!!! He definitely would pay somebody rofl!!
Then we patch his paid hacks hahahaha!!
Here is a constant loop of him paying for hacks hahaha
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Yes I noticed that u logged in my account, but u also changed the password
no i didnt, an admin must have locked your account. Do you accept my apology dellam
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So tupac the moron thinks he has invented an anti hack
This reminds me of this time $pace was making a new server
It's all just a bunch of lies to get attention
Stop giving tupac attention so that he can go away and stop making up his lies
There are several reasons an anti-hack is impossible
I can't be bothered listing them all here but anybody with an IQ like mine can easily see that
Nice to see you here, dellam!
Well, we will try.
I checked the collected data from antihack 2 days ago and caught several times when different hacks have been activated from different ips.
Let me finish server-side backend for antihack to inform people when you use antihack (and probably kick you from the server).
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You got just owned dellam rofl!!!!!!!!! Good job iL!
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I checked the collected data from antihack 2 days ago and caught several times when different hacks have been activated from different ips.Let me finish server-side backend for antihack to inform people when you use antihack (and probably kick you from the server).
It's the dawn of a new era of WC2 for sure!
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So tupac the moron thinks he has invented an anti hack
This reminds me of this time $pace was making a new server
It's all just a bunch of lies to get attention
Stop giving tupac attention so that he can go away and stop making up his lies
There are several reasons an anti-hack is impossible
I can't be bothered listing them all here but anybody with an IQ like mine can easily see that
Nice to see you here, dellam!
Well, we will try.
I checked the collected data from antihack 2 days ago and caught several times when different hacks have been activated from different ips.
Let me finish server-side backend for antihack to inform people when you use antihack (and probably kick you from the server).
Bitch slap that nigga into the void!
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I have noticed an issue when using the new Loader that seems to happen a lot. Whenever I use it, the latency fix stops working. Like, it's not loading the same resources as War2Launcher.bat which is war2patcher, etc. Please make sure the loader is running the following in some manor, either by command line or via system calls:
start war2ppatcher.exe -a -f -se -ir -i0 -w
War2noCDloader.exe
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Please make sure the loader is running the following in some manor, either by command line or via system calls:
Just tried that on XP:
warlatency - activated.
resource bug - fixed.
Other values have not been changed.
You can just start war2ppatcher with no parameters to watch dialog with fixes applied.
Maybe different solutions on later windows with UAC or w/e? I'll check that tomorrow...
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I do use winblows 7 so that could be an issue maybe since you test with XP. UAC is currently off though.