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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: I hate naggers on October 11, 2016, 11:23:26 AM
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I ask kindly to unban sepi.
Should you fail to satisfy my needs, the actual machinations will begin
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Tell me in your own words why you believe banning Sepi was wrong, and why he should be un banned.
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on Sepi there's one major issue and it breaks both ways. That is, I really think he's mentally ill. So on the one hand, he's not a hacker, and I feel bad punishing him for anything because I think he can barely even be held responsible for it. But on the other hand, we've got a weird guy calling people's businesses with an avatar of himself wearing some sort of military beret talking about how he's making a list of enemies who he will take action against. If he were American I'd feel like this is the behavior of a guy about to go off on a spree killing. I don't really want to encourage his behavior or have a very likely mentally unwell guy making threats in the community
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on Sepi there's one major issue and it breaks both ways. That is, I really think he's mentally ill. So on the one hand, he's not a hacker, and I feel bad punishing him for anything because I think he can barely even be held responsible for it. But on the other hand, we've got a weird guy calling people's businesses with an avatar of himself wearing some sort of military beret talking about how he's making a list of enemies who he will take action against. If he were American I'd feel like this is the behavior of a guy about to go off on a spree killing. I don't really want to encourage his behavior or have a very likely mentally unwell guy making threats in the community
Kurwa!
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on Sepi there's one major issue and it breaks both ways. That is, I really think he's mentally ill. So on the one hand, he's not a hacker, and I feel bad punishing him for anything because I think he can barely even be held responsible for it. But on the other hand, we've got a weird guy calling people's businesses with an avatar of himself wearing some sort of military beret talking about how he's making a list of enemies who he will take action against. If he were American I'd feel like this is the behavior of a guy about to go off on a spree killing. I don't really want to encourage his behavior or have a very likely mentally unwell guy making threats in the community
first of all, only the bolded part applies.
If this is the permban, then we should say goodbye to lance too. Unban sepi or ban lance.
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we havent called it a permaban. what id call it i guess is a mentally unwell guy making threats and behaving inappropriately ban. indefinite time period, we may decide after awhile to lift it and see how hes doing or may decide to leave it until we hear from him or someone else that hes doing better. if you have any input on how you think is best to deal with a guy obviously struggling with some stuff then happy to hear it. sorry to disappoint you though but i dont care about a lance precedent or whatever in this situation, i care more about something tailored to the specific circumstance of a guy having some problems and acting in troubling ways. but i think letting him play and post freely doesnt necessarily help him and only allows him to inflict his issues he's dealing with on us
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I suppose this means less "stripper wife this, autistic kid that, drug addict, pball takes skill yadda yadda".
I am happy to know Sepi is not permbanned. We are holding our breath. Also i should be permbanned u bitch, you pussied out!
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I do believe Sepi needs a break from war2.
Like Blid says he isnt banned forever but he needs to take a step back from this game for the time being.
Because he is taking it far too personal and serious. Whether he calms down 1 week from now or 3 months from now thats up to him.
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calling people's businesses
Yo Sepi here. I never called anyones business or anything else. All I did to Swift was the following: I noticed his companys facebook page had a 5 star review done by Swifts friend (I have evidence to prove its a friend). I hate this kind of branding. So I gave the facebook page 1 star to counterbalance the 5 star review. But this review was up for less than 10 minutes.
Paperboy, among other people, is spreading rumors that I would have called Swifts work and said "SWIFT IS A HACKER" and hanged up. Also Paperboy is spreading rumors that I am writing bad yelp reviews of Swifts company.
As a feedback: Blid, you really should find methods for authenticating information you receive, especially since you are using the data you receive in a manner that has consequences. Also its quite cool that you weed me out from the conversation by banning me with all the power you possess and then say things that are not true. Oh well, I do think this all is quite entertaining.
Take care.
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In that case, the entire decision is outrageous!
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In that case, the entire decision is outrageous!
Hehe. Thanks to you Claw, I know how not to get trolled. Thank you sensei!
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calling people's businesses
Yo Sepi here. I never called anyones business or anything else. All I did to Swift was the following: I noticed his companys facebook page had a 5 star review done by Swifts friend (I have evidence to prove its a friend). I hate this kind of branding. So I gave the facebook page 1 star to counterbalance the 5 star review. But this review was up for less than 10 minutes.
Paperboy, among other people, is spreading rumors that I would have called Swifts work and said "SWIFT IS A HACKER" and hanged up. Also Paperboy is spreading rumors that I am writing bad yelp reviews of Swifts company.
As a feedback: Blid, you really should find methods for authenticating information you receive, especially since you are using the data you receive in a manner that has consequences. Also its quite cool that you weed me out from the conversation by banning me with all the power you possess and then say things that are not true. Oh well, I do think this all is quite entertaining.
Take care.
Outside of the facebook fuckery this is fairly reasonable. Can you can explain all your stuff about "beginning machinations" and "winning engagements" and so on?
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"All I did to Swift was the following: I noticed his companys facebook page had a 5 star review done by Swifts friend (I have evidence to prove its a friend). I hate this kind of branding. So I gave the facebook page 1 star to counterbalance the 5 star review. But this review was up for less than 10 minutes."
You hate this kind of branding? First, you have no just cause to go around giving ratings to my business, when you've never done any business with us. Two, what business is it of yours to be snooping around me or my businesses' social media pages?
Also, FYI it's very common for family, friends, FB friends, etc to rate businesses of people they know. This doesn't mean I went around asking for such. People just like to be nice, or be seen being nice, to people in their circle/life. We have a business Facebook page that has something like 75 five star reviews and friends, family and associates of mine, my business partner, and our employees make up about half of those reviews. We didn't ask for any reviews and yes it skews the ratings big time. Get use to it, that goes for basically every single business getting review, especially on social media sites where the owners/employees also have personal pages - like Facebook. But again, what problem is that of yours. Try minding your own business and have respect for the boundaries in life that any decent person wouldn't cross.
All that being said, I still think you should be unbanned. I don't respect that Blid showed you lenience given your actions towards others, and made excuses for not being appropriately proactive, yet when you finally point your finger at him he swiftly and without second consideration bans you. It may not have been what he intended, but he made it appear as if he's a self-interested admin who looks more after himself than the user base. For that, I think you were unjustly banned.
Moreover, although I really don't get your angle, I still recognize that you only really seem to target people who you feel "started it" and for that I can reason with you a bit - unlike EQ who for no excuse, other than being a little insane, just started some vendetta against me and goes around spreading lies non-stop. I do think you went a little far looking at my personal page, writing business reviews and looking up various business state records, etc but I figure you must have felt I was a jerk to you in order for you to do it. For that, I apologize. I like to troll and debate, and get into 1on1 series with people and talk shit the whole time (assuming I'm wining) and with that I sometimes take it a bit far and I don't really ever feel good afterward about being a bad person towards someone. Anyway, best of luck~ I may pop on some day down the road and own you, along with everyone else, in some 1s/2s.
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To Blid:
Machination - a plan to get my will through.
And my wish is more justice in the community. But I am starting to understand that people act injustly towards me just because they see me as a threat to their position in the war2 rankings. They want to keep their position in the "ladder of skill" so they try to gain competitive advantages by dealing all kinds of low blows. I had a problem with this because I had a misinterpretation about it being a community thing, instead of it being about competition. But now, understanding this, I'm fine with it. So Blid, if someone utilizes mental warfare, when it has to do with me, you don't have to give it any attention or bans.
I have a tremendous amount of tools at my disposal for me to reach my will - but I choose not to utilize half of them. Whenever someone resorts to plain brute force without ethical (or scientific) justifications, I will release some of my restrictions to increase the variety of tools available to me. Simply the tools I utilize are strategies/approaches from literature such as Sun Tzu The Art of War, Niccolo Machiavelli The Prince, Miyamoto Musashi The Book of Five Rings, Robert Greene 48 Laws of Power etc. I decrease the amount of my own personality and increase the presence of Machiavellianism in my persona.
I don't believe you can utilize force or go against peoples will to gain lasting results, there will always be a backlash with unforeseen consequences. The effective route is to understand peoples interests and align these interests in a manner that creates the wanted results - or try to remold peoples interests by revealing them new perspectives on approaching situations.
Hm I wont go further, but maybe this will give you an introduction to what kinds of things are moving in my head. I normally would not reveal my inner workings like this but feeling quite nice atm so yolo.
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Swift:
First of all, i have no opinion or knowledge of what is the right answer. But just an interesting play with logic:
1. you have no problem with a friend giving you 5 stars - someone who has not been your customer
2. you get angry when i give you a 1 star review, because I have not dealt with your business, and therefore, I have no justification to give you a review
3. My will was to correct this 5 star review and round it to 3 stars - because the friend giving the 5 star review had not dealt with your business. And I wanted to make the review into an honest one: 3/5, a neutral opinion. To reiterate: exactly because your friend had not dealt with your business and had no justification to give your business a review. And my action was to nullify this review.
So.
A) why are you not angry at your friend (combine 1 and 2)
B) why are you not thankful at me for nullifying unjustified review of your friend? (combine 2 and 3)
But I must say Swift that I am starting to see that you are not malevolent in nature. I see you make contradictions like this a lot and my first impression was that you were attempting to manipulate. But having watched these patterns long enough I've noticed they are caused by something else (which I do not want to say unless instigated).
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That friend actually has dealt with the business, and even worked for the company and its subsidiaries as an independent contractor for a limited period of time. He provided Internet marketing services to some extent that I'm not entirely aware of as he never was actually personally hired, trained, or managed by me. How little you know... But again, that's because it's not your life, or your company, nor does it have anything to do with you.
That aside, nothing you said makes any sense even if we pretended such person wasn't involved with the company in anyway. Now go try minding your own affairs, and maybe stop trying to pretend you were just being a Good Samaritan instead of doing it for the sake of malice.
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That friend actually has dealt with the business, and even worked for the company and its subsidiaries as an independent contractor for a limited period of time. He provided Internet marketing services to some extent that I'm not entirely aware of as he never was actually personally hired, trained, or managed by me. How little you know... But again, that's because it's not your life, or your company, nor does it have anything to do with you.
That aside, nothing you said makes any sense even if we pretended such person wasn't involved with the company in anyway. Now go try minding your own affairs, and maybe stop trying to pretend you were just being a Good Samaritan instead of doing it for the sake of malice.
We are not talking about the same person. I did not have convincing evidence that this person you are talking about is a friend of yours.
Im curious btw, how did these "sepi called my work" rumors get started? And "bad yelp reviews" rumors? Just Paperboy I would suppose.
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No, I know exactly who you are talking about. I've even hired four different WC2 Players directly to do miscellaneous tech and marketing jobs for us, and I introduced one of our employees out of the Northwest to war2 over two years ago and they still actively play like 20+ games a month, you would consider them a regular and think nothing of it. You wouldn't know any of this, and much more, because you don't know anything and it will remain as such.
And FYI, just for the record, if you look at the screen shot of random people ebullying you via making insulting Sepi names, you can see me logged in the channel as "Maut", choosing not to partake in making a similar name even tho a couple of them asked me to, because I believe in not taking things too far, so please start minding your own business, enjoy the game and leave me be.
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Anyway, this thread is a waste of everyone's time including mine. Bye
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No, I know exactly who you are talking about. I've even hired four different WC2 Players directly to do miscellaneous tech and marketing jobs for us, and I introduced one of our employees out of the Northwest to war2 over two years ago and they still actively play like 20+ games a month, you would consider them a regular and think nothing of it. You wouldn't know any of this, and much more, because you don't know anything and it will remain as such.
And FYI, just for the record, if you look at the screen shot of random people ebullying you via making insulting Sepi names, you can see me logged in the channel as "Maut", choosing not to partake in making a similar name even tho a couple of them asked me to, because I believe in not taking things too far, so please start minding your own business, enjoy the game and leave me be.
No, I know exactly who you are talking about. I've even hired four different WC2 Players directly to do miscellaneous tech and marketing jobs for us, and I introduced one of our employees out of the Northwest to war2 over two years ago and they still actively play like 20+ games a month, you would consider them a regular and think nothing of it. You wouldn't know any of this, and much more, because you don't know anything and it will remain as such.
And FYI, just for the record, if you look at the screen shot of random people ebullying you via making insulting Sepi names, you can see me logged in the channel as "Maut", choosing not to partake in making a similar name even tho a couple of them asked me to, because I believe in not taking things too far, so please start minding your own business, enjoy the game and leave me be.
Im not talking about a he, but a she. I have much stronger arguments and distaste towards an employee doing a review than a friend doing a review. If I knew the review was made by an employee my 1 star review would have stuck there.
And if you keep arguing here, I'm not going to stop the argument - with the threat that if I will check-mate you argument wise (or you dont finish the argument), I will provide you a 1-star review where the employee gave 5 star review. And this review will stick, believe me.
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I will provide you a 1-star review where the employee gave 5 star review. And this review will stick, believe me.
Sepi keep your disputes in the game don't take it into the real world.
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I will provide you a 1-star review where the employee gave 5 star review. And this review will stick, believe me.
Sepi keep your disputes in the game don't take it into the real world.
Its not me initiating the real world disputes. And it is not defending unjust actions while attacking others for correcting them. I have given warnings, I have given outs. Its none of my business if you don't take the outs I offer you. Every exchange I've been in, I have beforehand told what would happen if my opponent takes action A, while asking the person to justify his position, rendering my counteraction to A unjustified - thus preventing me from performing this action.
It was Blid who resurrected this "real world dispute". It was Blid who threw fire onto this "real world dispute" (Edit start:) by #1 believing false rumors #2 spreading these false rumors #3 forcing me to correct the false rumors (Edit end). How about you have a talk with Blid about this, not me. I really don't think either of you, Tora or Blid, are able to stop me in any manner with brute force. I am extremely receptive to reason and dialogue - I will do whatever you are capable of convincing me to be the reasonable course of action. But I'm a bloodhound when it comes to manipulation and politicking.
I already came three steps forward by giving you explanations, warnings, and outs. One mistake here and I will go 6 steps back, and you'll just see the effects of my actions but you will not know who performed the actions and how or why they were performed. You have absolutely no control here. My actions are efficient regards to time and effort - I have budgeted my energy-expenditure and if the energy expenditure exceeds the budgeting I will have to increase the effectiveness by a heavy margin.
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Companies are commonly reviewed by Vendors, Employees, customers, independent contractors and so forth, and rightfully so - as these are the types who do business with them and there will be more like them who might consider doing business with that same company who would like to see reviews about people's experience with the company. This is common place, and makes all the sense in the world does it not? Companies obtain/provide services to more than just their customers. I would personally like to see from FB and other platforms that allow for reviews on business to require those providing a review to answer in what capacity they did business with the company/individual. That would be great.
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I blame Claw for this drama
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I blame blid and tora for being useless and killing this game.
Unbann sepi!
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I feel no drama. Claw made a solid thread here, and I feel the voting will sway in the other direction soon enough.
How's your tournament going so far? Any victors for round 1 yet? How do I follow the results
Also Tora - you ever think about setting up war2 betting? I would get involved in a heart beat!
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Here the bracket
http://challonge.com/Tier1ro1 (http://challonge.com/Tier1ro1) Maybe we can make some bets in the finals.
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Here the bracket
[url]http://challonge.com/Tier1ro1[/url] ([url]http://challonge.com/Tier1ro1[/url]) Maybe we can make some bets in the finals.
Nobody cares about your shitty tournaments lol
Unbann sepi loser.
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Companies are commonly reviewed by Vendors, Employees, customers, independent contractors and so forth, and rightfully so - as these are the types who do business with them and there will be more like them who might consider doing business with that same company who would like to see reviews about people's experience with the company. This is common place, and makes all the sense in the world does it not? Companies obtain/provide services to more than just their customers. I would personally like to see from FB and other platforms that allow for reviews on business to require those providing a review to answer in what capacity they did business with the company/individual. That would be great.
Actually I agree, and admit that I was wrong. Company stakeholders, such as employees, have a reasonable case to give reviews about their host company. This is since they have experienced the work conditions. Thank you for inciting thought and correcting me.
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"this ban is not set to expire" lol now you permaban me. Dude you really think you can double down on me - It has been the default move that I have predicted you would do. Anyways, peace out.
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those weren't rumors from paperboy ... swift said you gave tons of bad reviews on sites like yelp, and called a few of his various business entities and went on about how they were trying to figure out who you were ...
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he's making a list of enemies who he will take action against. If
LOL
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Sepi, your logic is flawed. Giving swift a 1 star review to balance out 75 five star reviews to an average of 3 is just horrible math. Plus, everyone will see an unauthentic business review (that they believe is real) that could deter hundreds or thousands of clients from swift's business; social media is a powerful tool. What if Kyle's business was very professional and deserved all 5 star reviews?
Swift saying "you suck" in game is worth 50,000 in business revenue? Pshh. (arbitrary number, IDK the size of swift's company, but everything is important). I have partnerships with 82 universities in the U.S. that send me service-learning students each year. I had a misspelling in my website and Duke wouldn't sign a contract with me because of that small mistake. Your smear on swift is very serious and in certain cases could result in legal actions.
Comparing yourself to war books you've read that include 1,500 year old killing-people strategies and saying you will manipulate those strategies into real life applications sounds dangerous for anyone's livelihood that crosses your path. This could be construed as insinuating death threats. I voted "blid is gay", but after reading your posts versus the defensive arguments of swift and such, I am more inclined to say "no". You have a dangerous ego and an even more frightening response mechanism to protect that ego.
With that being said, if you can keep your shit together and keep your conversations game related and pacify your emotions, you should be allowed to play. This game has a small player base. Many bots, some hackers and a small real user-base. Banning anyone without replacing that person with a new player should be a no no!
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I want to see a video of a gorilla on a pogo stick right now.
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I want to see a video of a gorilla on a pogo stick right now.
Your wish is my command.
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well goddam i dont im not the richest here im very well set >.< mario kart and beer bitches scatering
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well goddam i dont im not the richest here im very well set >.< mario kart and beer bitches scatering
You can make some hot nerdy bitches cream with some final fantasy 7 o.0
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dude im done squirting likie keeling my knees but ff9 not 7
Nah 7 it's definitely where the hoes at. When the cutseen for aeris happends and those bitches get emotional it's time to give the D.
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Stfu, this is a thread about sepi and his ban
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Stfu, this is a thread about sepi and his ban
If I mentioned your chickens it would all be better then?
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Stfu, this is a thread about sepi and his ban
If I mentioned your chickens it would all be better then?
this is a thread about sepi and his ban
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Stfu, this is a thread about sepi and his ban
If I mentioned your chickens it would all be better then?
this is a thread about sepi and his ban
The admins do us good when we get banned. It's a blessing in reality!
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Stfu, this is a thread about sepi and his ban
If I mentioned your chickens it would all be better then?
this is a thread about sepi and his ban
The admins do us good when we get banned. It's a blessing in reality!
Small dicked nerds in a power trip imo [emoji23] Didn't amount to anything in life so they try to make themselves feel all powerful over the small village folks. It's sad. [emoji23][emoji107]
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you been playing ff7? they got ff9 out now on steam.
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you been playing ff7? they got ff9 out now on steam.
gtfo from this thread you stupid bitch. start a thread about ff7, ff9 or pm him. dumb whore
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;D just looked it up..a review
POSTED: OCTOBER 2
The best Final Fantasy game.
Period.
yeah it is if you aint played it.
claw im sure sepi is still around cheer up :'(
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My god Sepi, you need a life. You get so detailed into the small insignificant aspects of people/the game that it becomes your life and you take it way too serious. That is a serious lack of emotional intelligence.
Do you give someone a 30min speech and mess with their personal lives if someone doesn't hold a door open for you? Because that is the picture you are painting for everyone. The fact that you are willing to do such things is really scary to be honest.
There is such a thing as passion but there is also a fine line between compulsive/obsessive and insanity. You need to step back and look in the mirror and ask yourself, did I cross the line?
If you just realize Swift trolls 90% of the time, like he just admitted, (except for when he loses :) ) then you should have the intelligence to be able to neutralize the situation yourself.
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you been playing ff7? they got ff9 out now on steam.
gtfo from this thread you stupid bitch. start a thread about ff7, ff9 or pm him. dumb whore
Stfu, respect the god known as EC. [emoji35] homo.
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you been playing ff7? they got ff9 out now on steam.
gtfo from this thread you stupid bitch. start a thread about ff7, ff9 or pm him. dumb whore
Stfu, respect the god known as EC. [emoji35] homo.
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No shit I can't belive he would speak to easy that way. I think claw has his feelings hurt. Claw watch it boi!
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you been playing ff7? they got ff9 out now on steam.
gtfo from this thread you stupid bitch. start a thread about ff7, ff9 or pm him. dumb whore
Stfu, respect the god known as EC. [emoji35] homo.
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No shit I can't belive he would speak to easy that way. I think claw has his feelings hurt. Claw watch it boi!
yes, thank you for noticing. Sepi and his ban are matters that are close to my heart and i'd like this thread to stay relevant
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i saw him play today, he must be unbanned obviously.
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i saw him play today, he must be unbanned obviously.
yes, me too. I am very happy about that.
Is he/will he be unbanned from the forums? Or should he begin the machinations?
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no machinations.
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Pussies.
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no machinations.
maybe the admins should start the machinations to prevent sepis machinations
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But I must say Swift that I am starting to see that you are not malevolent in nature. I see you make contradictions like this a lot and my first impression was that you were attempting to manipulate. But having watched these patterns long enough I've noticed they are caused by something else (which I do not want to say unless instigated).
I noticed his companys facebook page had a 5 star review done by Swifts friend (I have evidence to prove its a friend). I hate this kind of branding. So I gave the facebook page 1 star to counterbalance the 5 star review.
I don't know Sepi, and I'm not really familiar enough with the whole story to make a call as to who should or shouldn't be banned, but one thing seems very obvious:
At this point Sepi, you have started manipulating someone's real life business based on crap from an online computer game, allbeit in a very minor way. I don't know if Swift has children or other relatives that he supports with this business, or if it has employees who's livelihood depends on it, but I an quite sure that none of these people deserve to have their lives messed with based on whatever crap got up in your head about playing GOW.
Because that is what prompted your actions. I'm pretty sure you didn't go around to the rest of the literally millions of pages that have positive reviews from associates and try to 'counterbalance' them all, did you? You were responding in RL to what happened in a game. That is the line. You crossed it.
That being said, most people have probably done stupid things online that they later regret, I know I have. So just grow some balls and admit you messed up, then everyone can just build a bridge and get over it.
B) why are you not thankful at me for nullifying unjustified review of your friend?
This kind of attitude really does not help your case.
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rofl. first time i read this, actually im too lazy to read all the shit. :D u ppl r funny lawl!
how is it that in all war2 history when there is something wrong going or something fucked up things happening, swift is always involved in it somehow. for example the trash talk shows in the forums.
blid, maybe u should ban ppl who have hacked again and again many times and not mouthy ppl like sepi. the ones who have always ruined the community are the hackers. swift is the biggest fukin #1 hacker in war2 all time.