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Warcraft II => Tournaments & Leagues => Topic started by: xXxSmeagolxXx on November 03, 2015, 12:27:37 PM
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Here is the finals from ~Tora~'s last $100 GOW tournament, it was 00Joe vs Braviet:
http://youtu.be/36uOAVSN4YY (http://youtu.be/36uOAVSN4YY)
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download war2observ and when you're recording you can click on any unit from one player and it will show their units/resources. makes the game even more interesting and educational to watch
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It's better than warvideo?
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i stopped watching it after joe walled in 11 w/cat ... too much talking and viewfinder was always just kinda sorta close to where it actually needed to be
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It's better than warvideo?
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you use it in conjunction with warvid. both programs running
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It's better than warvideo?
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you use it in conjunction with warvid. both programs running
DL link ?
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Insight is an overall view this is a live recording of the game. If I used insight I would have watched it afterwards and been able to see hps and shit. It's a warvid not an insight complaining about it a week after the fact is doing nothing TK lmao. The video follows the action not hard to figure out, watch it or don't stop complaining.
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so as the recorder you can bounce back and forth clicking on joes units, then braviet's units ... it's better for someone who actually knows what's going on to use it though. regular gow/ef players want to know who is going to lvl up first, how many people they went strong hold with.. who will mage/lust first... it's especially interesting to know right before attacks since attacks are normally timed right when a particular upgrade finishes
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I do click between their units it, I was recording for hours though I got tired of clicking obsessively. You can see what's happening fine.
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you were busy chatting... and you missed lots of key battles while chatting.. then you would pan over to a fight and only show one person's units trying to break in, without showing the opponents units inside allowing the viewer to judge what would actually happen if he did break in.
it was ugly man. honestly not trying to be a dick but it's clear you weren't sure what was going on or have an understanding of important battles/possible turning points
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Lmao god you're so full of it dude. I was chatting a lot of it yes, that I didn't understand what was going on is bullshit. It's not hard to figure out they were fighting back and forth, seriously do you do anything on this forum besides cry? If you think crying incessantly on every post is doing this game or yourself any favors you're wrong. I was talking with Tora and Van a lot of it you can still see what's going on in the game, waaaa.
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it was bad from at least 13:00-14:00 ... i couldnt watch any more after that
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if i dont understand something, and someone calls me out on it .. guess what i say "yeah i know. i suck lol. im working on it"
you just pretend like they're wrong and are in denial about it
the gow ef players will know exactly what im talking about when trying to watch the video
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Appreciate it but this is really a frustrating watch. Nonstop chatting about random stuff instead of showing relevant action. The screen sits there idle while battles take place and are completely missed. Never clicked on an altar of storms to show which was being built first, never clicked on an ogre (or any unit) to show its levels. Missed the first hit on 12 entirely, missed the attack on the farm to get to 9 entirely, while sitting there with the screen not moving on a farm chatting. Missed the ogres coming from s9 to hit 9 from under, even though you WERE moving around the map, you just didn't notice or something. I had to close it at that point. It actively was making me mad
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Van was rambling non stop and Tora was talking back with him. So I ended up talking a lot of the game too. I knew before I recorded it that the non stop talking and trying to pay attention to it would take away from the video. Also at one point I went afk for a few minutes to grab supper. It's not recorded the greatest because I had been recording a long time and there was so much talking preoccupying me. You can see the end results from the video and it follows the action though.
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The chatting wouldn't really be a problem if the action was still followed. You definitely should get war2observe, just remember to hit ctrl-alt-del and set both it and war2 to the same core. war2observe runs silently and only changes what you see during the game (you can see people's resources or what they have training when you click on their stuff). even without war2 obsere you should click on units to show their levels, etc, but with war2 observe it's even better
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Yeah but I was also recording for a few hours before this video just as watcher. I ended up getting tired of clicking on units non stop after a while so I just followed the main action because I started talking a lot lol. If you watch the entire video almost all the unit fighting is covered in the video it's mostly just upgrades and the bases that don't get shown enough. I've used Insight I just didn't think about using it during that tournament. I'll use Insight for the next one as well.
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insight is a totally different program, it's not war2observe. insight is cool too but you don't necessarily need to use it to make youtube vids
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Oh yeah I just realized TK and you said observe not insight. I know what that is too actually just haven't ever used it. Yeah that would be a good tool to use for this. I just figured an insight replay would also work a lot better because I would be able to watch it after and pay much better attention to it and such.
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when 2 players like joe/brav are playing eachother the games are so close and precise it's extremely small errors that win/lose games. a group of lvl 3 grunts hitting before the opponent has lvld up. lusted vs unlusted.. whoever holds/forts first.. if one is a couple seconds slower to mound or altar .. braviet likes expanding after his mine blows.. watching his first expansion vs joes first expansion is always an interesting factor.
it's just all kinds of little stuff that a regular gow/ef player wants to see that someone who doesnt play it doesn't know to look for. take offence to it if you want but i dont recommend recording gow/ef games. maybe just make the insight available to download
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Lol you act like knowing whoever gets lust first is a secret. Also that upgrading men is some factor that only elite players would know. Lmao get real kid I realize all this shit was just preoccupied while videoing. It's been forever so the spots to follow that is a legit response, but I can easily figure out in the future where to watch. Upgrading units and lust isn't a secret bud hahaha.
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Interesting matches, I like watching competitive games by below average players. Well done both of you.
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u didnt show an ogre mound, hall, or altar unless you accidentally panned over it because there was other action close to it. that's exactly what the regular players want to see. nobody who watched that video knew who had lust until you panned over ogres lusting
literally 4-5 seconds to lust first could win a game. that's how most games are won or lost. whoever can not die until they get lust.. then whoever gets lust first and hits with it right when the upgrade completes. that decides the fate of a very high number of games
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Interesting matches, I like watching competitive games by below average players. Well done both of you.
stop encouraging this you fk
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You also fail to realize that I have admitted I wasn't clicking buildings by the time I recorded the finals. When you see the first lust that is the first lust of the game lmao. It's not that I didn't realize blacksmith upgrades and lust upgrades were important, it's that I was just following the action by these games. In the future I will use insight and follow the units upgrades and everything more precisely as I won't be talking and will have plenty of time to record it after the games.
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Interesting matches, I like watching competitive games by below average players. Well done both of you.
stop encouraging this you fk
Are you suggesting that the player who gets lust first has an advantage? If so, does a varying margin of time between his opponent getting lust and when he got it sway the advantage at all?
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You also fail to realize that I have admitted I wasn't clicking buildings by the time I recorded the finals. When you see the first lust that is the first lust of the game lmao. It's not that I didn't realize blacksmith upgrades and lust upgrades were important, it's that I was just following the action by these games. In the future I will use insight and follow the units upgrades and everything more precisely as I won't be talking and will have plenty of time to record it after the games.
Tk is pursuing this kind of dickishly, but you actually missed the first lust of the game. Joe groups ogres outside of 12, and you successfully locate them, but then wander away before they lust up and attack. You miss the entire hit.
http://i.imgur.com/s4snL5T.gifv (http://i.imgur.com/s4snL5T.gifv)
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Lol yeah I guess so Tora and Van were talking so much I got distracted reading their typing a lot. The video is probably the product of losing attention to conversation and recording for hours haha. I definitely could have done better and will in the future, but you can see the end result from the video.
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[url]http://i.imgur.com/s4snL5T.gifv[/url] ([url]http://i.imgur.com/s4snL5T.gifv[/url])
LOL
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Lol yeah that clip is pretty funny Van mentioned finals or something and I started reading it and lackadaisically scrolling LOL.
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im not intentionally trying to be a dick.. but its like he's insisting it's not that bad when it is. and it's not his fault for not knowing. he tried. props for that. but the fact is he doesnt understand exactly whats going on so its going to be hard for him to record it for people who do
here's a fairly decent recorded game of Viruz vs Swift where Viruz rapes swift s9/9 dual vs 12/2 counter dual
some things were missed, but overall did a decent job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naKHRSmMyd8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naKHRSmMyd8)
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Lol are you retarded TK? When did I say it wasn't bad? Let me show you something, "The video is probably the product of losing attention to conversation and recording for hours haha. I definitely could have done better and will in the future, but you can see the end result from the video." Learn to read, you can see the end result from the video is what I said and I followed the action most of it. I should have showed more upgrades and such but I got to talking way too much, move on. You going to cry? Haha.
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im not gonna even try any more.
great recording smeagol. very easy to follow and definitely gives the experienced viewer great insight as to what direction the game is going. please record more high level gow/ef games in the future.
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Also this "I'm not intentionally trying to be a dick" LMFAO when? If you aren't intentionally trying to be a dick you are doing a terrible job all over this forum. It's pretty much your MO, someone posts something you take an aggressive stance to them then argue with them for pages. Maybe you should try to be a dick from now on and you'll actually be a nice guy? Not sure how this sort of logic works. LOL
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So, you're saying it's a coincidence that you're bad at war2 and also don't know what aspects of a game are pivotal to observe as a watcher?
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its not my fault you're horrible at taking constructive criticism .. if i had told burnt "Hey man you didnt pay enough attention to swift's base in that recording.. or ever click on his grunts to see what lvl they were"
he would have said "yeah you're right" .. not make weak ass excuses and then neither of us would be in an argument and me and burnt would still get along just fine.
or if i recorded it and missed something and someone called me out on it i'd say "yeah my bad.. i fked up. i see what you're saying now" .. instead of "oh i was tired or excuse after excuse ...
u just cant take criticism so i look like a dick. o fucking well
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I never said I was good at GOW or BNE. PBall and different customs I am extremely good though. I already admitted I will have to learn which spots to watch before recording another match. The upgrades and lust not being shown was intentional as I just didn't bother by that point. The lackadaisical camera views many of them are the product of talking and reading. Could a good GOW player have recorded this game better? Yes of course. Did I ever say that there weren't errors in the recording? No. Swift I'd rape you in PBall easy though, I am a custom player not a BNE or GOW player anymore.
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Lol TK actually go back and read and you'll see I admitted I could have done a better job and said I would in the future. That you can't read or comprehend English is something totally different. Read what I said not what you want to believe, illiterate fool.
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"The video follows the action not hard to figure out"
"I do click between their units it, I was recording for hours though I got tired of clicking obsessively. You can see what's happening fine."
"that I didn't understand what was going on is bullshit. It's not hard to figure out they were fighting back and forth"
(blid enters and solidifies my previous statements)
***smeagol kinda sorta calms down and in a round a bout way almost admits hes not very good at recording gow/ef games but wants us to believe the possibility of a hundred different excuses are the real reason***
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swift if you wanna play 10-20 games of pball real fast so u can rape smeagol some time today let me know quickly thx.
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Yes I do rarely click between their units, and I then followed up with I got tired of clicking obsessively which you see I don't but rarely... You can what's happening fine between the units fighting, and yes you can your point? I responded aggressively to you because you are the new death poster of this forum. It used to be EQ would post something it would be totally negative and lead only to arguments. He is gone for now and you have taken his place, well done. You started out with heavy criticism so I met it with the same.
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Also Swift has already dodged hard. You got raped off and haven't seen you since. Swift won't have any better chance than you, played 1000s of people over the years, you two are nothing different. Conversation dead unless either of you want to play. (Beats a dead horse!)
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I never said I was good at GOW or BNE. PBall and different customs I am extremely good though. I already admitted I will have to learn which spots to watch before recording another match. The upgrades and lust not being shown was intentional as I just didn't bother by that point. The lackadaisical camera views many of them are the product of talking and reading. Could a good GOW player have recorded this game better? Yes of course. Did I ever say that there weren't errors in the recording? No. Swift I'd rape you in PBall easy though, I am a custom player not a BNE or GOW player anymore.
I'm real close to considering practicing pball for a day and owning you at it.
Also, you say you're a custom player. What other customs are you "good" at?
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you take everything as a personal attack. like because you dont understand gow/ef im some how saying you're a shitty person. or because pball is a very basic map you're some how a shitty person. then you go on the defensive and start completely unecessary arguments.
you dont understand gow ef
you're not good at recording those games because you dont understand them in their entirety
pball is a very basic map and easy to learn in comparison with any classic or bne map
EF is more technical game play than F
you can get mad about these statements all you want and argue all day long but most people who have played this game know they're all true statements. you can think im a dick for saying them. but that's not my intention.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA, do it Swift. If you actually think you'll beat me in a series you are starting to border on Yamon delusional. I am 14-7 in tournaments in the last year and have played 20,000 games of PBall since 2002. I have played all the tops players over the years and beat them. You aren't going to beat me it's shit talking delusional bullshit. Good luck go practice or get on now and I'll rape you.
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WAAAAAA TK. You can't read you keep proving that. Already said the video had errors and a GOW player could have recorded it better. You seem to just want to cry and act like I said it was a perfect recording. Cry on bro.
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Also Swift has already dodged hard. You got raped off and haven't seen you since. Swift won't have any better chance than you, played 1000s of people over the years, you two are nothing different. Conversation dead unless either of you want to play. (Beats a dead horse!)
i cant get a solid hour of pball in to save my life. nobody plays the damn game with any sort of regularity. how am i supposed to learn a game that only gets played an hour or two a day and i just have to be lucky enough to be on when they do.
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Does anyone know where I can buy a NEW G5 logitech mouse?
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There was PBall games all weekend hosted by Me, QUICK{hR}, Manowar, Flea, and Proof. If you don't log on or are too stupid to see them not my problem. I have also been hosting daily since last Thursday lmao.
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smeagol - did you say i dodged hard? what did i dodge?
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swift. you wouldnt need a day.. i could literally host. we would go over units and their ranges, then show you a few "strategies" they use and you would be good to go after no more than 20 games.
you'd be able to pick it up faster than me.. where i'd need a few hours of repetitive play to beat the "best" pball player.
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Swift you dodged 1v1s on the There Was A Time post. I challenged you to 1v1s and Tora offered money if you beat me in a series of 5 you just said you could beat me and dodged. You won't beat me and the challenge still stands. You'll get owned, go practice =D.
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HAHAHAHHA TK got raped 11-0 and I've beaten 1000's of people over the years, but he seems to still believe his bullshit. I am far more skilled than you kids in PBall, go practice together, you won't beat me, 11-0 vs TK and soon to be 11-0 vs Swift.
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I need a reasonably decent gaming mouse. Even with real maps that actually take a fair amount of skill, like GOW, I haven't been able to play anywhere near like I used to for sometime because I have been using an old school office mouse. I really want a G5, but they aren't made anymore I don't think. SG uses/used a G9, maybe that ones good too
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your ego goes through the roof whenever you get the chance to talk about how you're a god of retard maps
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Awaiting either of yours 1v1s. Swift get a mouse you're going to get raped. I have beaten so many people over the years and have by far the best tournament record. I am not a fluke, my skill is above others in the game I play. I have a greater understanding and am more skilled at it period. Good luck, I await this hilarity. Also my ego is just what I have done. That no one can beat me consistently and that I have the best overall record and people regard me as the best is just fact. I don't need an ego for truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K626gMvu2ds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K626gMvu2ds)
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Does anyone know where I can buy a NEW G5 logitech mouse?
here you go
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000AY5YI4/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000AY5YI4/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new)
is this so expensive because it's out of production or is it always an expensive mouse
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Do you play pball build? also you never answered me, what other customs are you "good" at?
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Awaiting either of yours 1v1s. Swift get a mouse you're going to get raped. I have beaten so many people over the years and have by far the best tournament record. I am not a fluke, my skill is above others in the game I play. I have a greater understanding and am more skilled at it period. Good luck, I await this hilarity. Also my ego is just what I have done. That no one can beat me consistently and that I have the best overall record and people regard me as the best is just fact. I don't need an ego for truth.
the only thing is you're playing low skill level people
i think it says a lot about your character that you continue to brag about beating me the first 11 games i ever played on the map. i think deep down you know it's a newb map too.
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I need a reasonably decent gaming mouse. Even with real maps that actually take a fair amount of skill, like GOW, I haven't been able to play anywhere near like I used to for sometime because I have been using an old school office mouse. I really want a G5, but they aren't made anymore I don't think. SG uses/used a G9, maybe that ones good too
I thought you were a millionaire.
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Does anyone know where I can buy a NEW G5 logitech mouse?
here you go
[url]http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000AY5YI4/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000AY5YI4/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new[/url])
is this so expensive because it's out of production or is it always an expensive mouse
Need the one with blue spider webs. I forget what version/mod that is.
Yeah, it's only that expensive because it's no longer made anymore. I bought mine in like 2006ish probably somewhere between $40-60ish
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ew a mouse with a wire :(
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swift. you wouldnt need a day.. i could literally host. we would go over units and their ranges, then show you a few "strategies" they use and you would be good to go after no more than 20 games.
you'd be able to pick it up faster than me.. where i'd need a few hours of repetitive play to beat the "best" pball player.
Have you trained enough to beat him yet? When are you going to beat him?
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swift. you wouldnt need a day.. i could literally host. we would go over units and their ranges, then show you a few "strategies" they use and you would be good to go after no more than 20 games.
you'd be able to pick it up faster than me.. where i'd need a few hours of repetitive play to beat the "best" pball player.
Have you trained enough to beat him yet? When are you going to beat him?
i literally havent had anyone to play... but if me and swift get a chance to go at it a couple dozen times we'll both be ready im sure.
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I have never only beaten low skilled people fool. 1000's of people played PBall on battle.net games were hosted all day long 2002-2004. I have beaten every skilled PBalller there is over the years. I only brag about beating you 11-0 because of your own words kid, you said you'd own me after playing a day you played 30+ games and still got raped stfu. You are beyond stupid if you think I haven't played extremely skilled people in PBall, there have been 1000's of PBallers over the years fool. QUICK{hR} and Proof-Dealer are the best at PBall Build Swift. I rarely play other customs anymore so I'm not going to challenge anyone in them. Want raped in PBall I'm your guy.
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the thing about p ballers is they know their maps are basic/boring so they get tired of them after playing 3-4 games then jump on to another boring/basic map with just slightly different playstyle/scenery/units.
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smeagol - we should do a $ bet through escrow.com
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its very similar to the COMP STOMP community.... different TWC map every game because the last one they played is already boring... until the next time they log on.
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Anyway TK you can spout bs all day thinking xXXSmeagolxXx hasn't played top level players proves you know nothing. You know nothing about the PBall community but conjecture and you got raped by me, Xcal, and QUICK{hR}. You suck at PBall bro.
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i beat one of them i forget who (which you claimed was a "top" player). and got the other down to his last unit.
that's impossible to do for a beginner against a top player on a classic map. it literally wont happen. ever.
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Comp stomps are vs the computer, this is a competitive game with over 20 tournaments in the last year. I have a PBall group with around 60 members and there is still dozens of PBallers who still play weekly and over 100 total. 11-0 vs you, you won 0 games comprehend that fool. Your knowledge of PBall is the same as your skill in it nothing. I rape you and that's all there is too it, you spout conjecture and know nothing, end of story.
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Being relatively good at pball isn't a bragging point. Consider playing Warcraft 2 instead.
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Raping you in PBall Swift would be a bragging point but it would be easy. 1v1 or stfu easy as that. Also I am better than "good" in PBall. I have the top tournament record and 1v1 record. It's all a game to me that I am the best is just a cool thing. You wanna dodge great, I knew you would because you'd get raped. Your ego about GOW which is also a video game has been a hilarious subject on this forum. You criticizing people about bragging or being good at something is beyond funny LOL.
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Also this "I'm not intentionally trying to be a dick" LMFAO when? If you aren't intentionally trying to be a dick you are doing a terrible job all over this forum. It's pretty much your MO, someone posts something you take an aggressive stance to them then argue with them for pages. Maybe you should try to be a dick from now on and you'll actually be a nice guy? Not sure how this sort of logic works. LOL
Right and your not known for this [emoji23]. His MO, please loser lol this has YOU written all over it. You always do this, you always act like you know what your doing and that your the best at it. Bro, I ain't even a GoW player but I can tell you that as a person of interest who wants to see the game action you did a horrible job. Get bent for once and STFU, you sound like a dam fool when you try to defend this shitty recording job and snap at people who tell you the obvious.
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Hahaha Ryu I also said I did a bad job later and that a GOW player could do better. I guess you can't read either bud. You post one word responses on every post or a picture, you spam this forum to no end. TK came off with an aggressive stance and I responded with one, I also later said different times it could have been much better. You are trying to say TK doesn't argue with people for pages? My pages long arguments are WITH TK lmao. Go spam the forum or post some pictures or something.
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you took offense to something you are clearly insecure about. if you weren't insecure about it you would not have taken offence to it. instead you would have realized i was right, agreed with me, and carried on with your business.
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you took offense to something you are clearly insecure about. if you weren't insecure about it you would not have taken offence to it. instead you would have realized i was right, agreed with me, and carried on with your business.
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That's because IT WAS YOU TK. If Tora, Blid, Lance, most people had said that I would have figured they had good intentions. With you I just figured there was complaining and bullshit coming. Yeah I over reacted my first response, yet even later when I admitted my faults and errors you cried to no end and kept saying I was still defending it. You don't let anything die or seem to even read what people write.
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Yeah I over reacted my first response, ....
Typical MO of you.
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Ryu go spam some other threads. I'm sure there are plenty of threads that need a 1 word smiley or picture. Cmon now you're a pro at that shit go find a few =D.
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well if it was anyone else who recorded it i would have said the exact same thing to them.
if anyone wants to act like pball takes lots of skill i will call them out on it
if anyone wants to act like F is more technical gameplay than EF i will call them out on it
if someone records a high level gow/ef game but does a poor job at it i will call them out on it
i've taken shit over the games i recorded/commented on ( youtube.com/clanabsolutesynergy) and more often than not what they have to say is right. i dont cry or argue. i soak it in and move on
you just like to fight the losing battles
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shit. i criticize myself more than anyone else does.
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PBall obviously does take skill as I raped you 11-0 and will continue to and I am consistently above top players over the years, cry all you want.
I discussed F and EF I later admitted EF made for a more strategic planned out game in GOW, I do not agree in PBall.
Great I already admitted someone could have recorded it better than me.
I won the battle of you claiming you'd own me(11-0) will continue too. No losing bro just winning :P =D.
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dang that pacificgeek site has a great price compared to the others
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Ryu go spam some other threads. I'm sure there are plenty of threads that need a 1 word smiley or picture. Cmon now you're a pro at that shit go find a few =D.
How is that spam? It's a emoji you retard, shows expression.
I.E., YOU = [emoji90]
P.s. That's cow dung.
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You often contribute nothing to conversations just smileys or pictures that mean nothing. You post crap that is irrelevant to the conversation that's how it's spam.
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shit. i criticize myself more than anyone else does.
You should see him when he's drunk [emoji6]
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You must be getting slower with age Ryu I know there are threads you can find to post some one word responses or smileys. I have faith bro, go out there and do it, its a big forum but with your experience you got this! :)
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[url]http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G500-Programmable-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B002J9GDXI[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G500-Programmable-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B002J9GDXI[/url])
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318[/url] ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318[/url])
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dang that pacificgeek site has a great price compared to the others
Btw, that other link I gave you with the expensive g5 is good - first off, it could be the blue lightning one even though that's not pictured, but secondly, the two are virtually the same mouse anyway
(http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a168/ChaosMinionX/d76ad218.jpg)
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Yes buy the mouse Swift. I will be waiting =D.
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You must be getting slower with age Ryu I know there are threads you can find to post some one word responses or smileys. I have faith bro, go out there and do it, its a big forum but with your experience you got this! :)
.....right [emoji19]
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Get this one swift
[url]http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?id=1039406&C=225&S=1116[/url] ([url]http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?id=1039406&C=225&S=1116[/url])
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G500-Programmable-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B002J9GDXI[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G500-Programmable-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B002J9GDXI[/url])
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318[/url] ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318[/url])
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dang that pacificgeek site has a great price compared to the others
Tried it. Everyone has a different types that work best for them, and for some reason that one doesn't work for me.
Thanks for helping tho!
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Get this one swift
[url]http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?id=1039406&C=225&S=1116[/url] ([url]http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?id=1039406&C=225&S=1116[/url])
[url]http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G500-Programmable-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B002J9GDXI[/url] ([url]http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-G500-Programmable-Gaming-Mouse/dp/B002J9GDXI[/url])
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318[/url] ([url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318[/url])
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dang that pacificgeek site has a great price compared to the others
Btw, that other link I gave you with the expensive g5 is good - first off, it could be the blue lightning one even though that's not pictured, but secondly, the two are virtually the same mouse anyway
([url]http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a168/ChaosMinionX/d76ad218.jpg[/url])
is it brand new?
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Yes, check the link, there were TWO in stock that were marked as new. But they were $265. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000AY5YI4/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000AY5YI4/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new)
However, I found another new one, with an epic 2142 battlefield theme. $100 cheaper!!
http://www.sears.com/logitech-g5-laser-gaming-mouse-battlefield-2142-edition/p-SPM12777421219?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1 (http://www.sears.com/logitech-g5-laser-gaming-mouse-battlefield-2142-edition/p-SPM12777421219?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1)
Otherwise, you have no choice but to get a used one.
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Laser-Mouse-Blue-Black/dp/B000ODN7VM (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Laser-Mouse-Blue-Black/dp/B000ODN7VM)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-G5-Laser-Mouse-Blue-Black-910-000093-/321885413564?hash=item4af1dda0bc:g:jmAAAOSwuWVWEvXv (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-G5-Laser-Mouse-Blue-Black-910-000093-/321885413564?hash=item4af1dda0bc:g:jmAAAOSwuWVWEvXv)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-G5-Laser-Mouse-Blue-Black-/331661548606?hash=item4d38919c3e:g:PcgAAOSwEetWBGim (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Logitech-G5-Laser-Mouse-Blue-Black-/331661548606?hash=item4d38919c3e:g:PcgAAOSwEetWBGim)
Or... find that next new mouse that works for you. Like perhaps this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7XZ38C0283&cm_re=Logitech_MX_518-_-0TP-000C-004W6-_-Product (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA7XZ38C0283&cm_re=Logitech_MX_518-_-0TP-000C-004W6-_-Product)
Which is supposed to be the direct successor of the G5.
This should have you covered, regardless of your ultimate decision. Cheers.
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i might actually do it, im scared as fuck for you guys right now
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Get that one from Sears lol
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Does it have the exact same shape as the regular G5 though? How it fits my hand is the biggest factor as to why I like it over these other mouses with similar functionality
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I think it IS the regular G5 except with a gay theme painted on it
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HEY! I like Star Wars. And it's close enough...
I know there is little to no chance of this, but I hope Kylo Ren turns out to be Luke somehow.
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I don't think 2142 battlefield is a star wars thing? it's some video game that came out in 2006 that this mouse was trying to promote, and i somehow found it on the sears website of all places. it says it's in stock but i wouldnt be THAT surprised if when you order it you get an email saying actually theyre out. but hey, it says they have it. if they actually do and it is liek you remembered it, you should order a back-up or two because i searched pretty exhaustively for this and that's the only place left on the planet to get it basically
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Yeah, it's not Star Wars. That's why I said "It's close enough" At first glance, I thought it was haha.
I'm going to order one.
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Oh wow it's real, it's cross-listed on amazon, and there's 5 of it left
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Laser-Gaming-Mouse-Battlefield/dp/B000J45SW2?SubscriptionId=AKIAIG2IQLZDHW2XY2MQ&tag=XXXXX-20&linkCode=sp1&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B000J45SW2 (http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Laser-Gaming-Mouse-Battlefield/dp/B000J45SW2?SubscriptionId=AKIAIG2IQLZDHW2XY2MQ&tag=XXXXX-20&linkCode=sp1&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B000J45SW2)
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It's cheaper there!
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Blid, I feel like you should create a product line for Warcraft accessories and pay me to endorse them. We could make a lot of money over the years. Hundreds.
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Okay. We can plaster mspaint picture on stuff for branding. You should know the one
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Smeagol - its cool that you posted and watching this is def better than nothing but i think you are probably letting your "pball beef" with TK cloud your view of his comments.
I really dont think hes trying to be a dick and i would actually agree with his comments. Just take it to heart as friendly advice for next time so you can upload a better vid!
xoxo
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tk's first couple comments were fine but when he says "it was ugly man. honestly not trying to be a dick but it's clear you weren't sure what was going on or have an understanding of important battles/possible turning points" that was obviously gonna make smeagol throw up some walls to what he was saying. you can just say he missed the action without telling him he doesn't understand how the game works. incidentally i posted my post without seeing any of tk's comments first, and did end up agreeing with what tk said were problems in the video
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Just because its gonna piss him off doesn't mean that was my intention. Me and swift can bash each other all day long then BS 10 mins later. He just sensitive
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Like Blid said TK's first post was fine, but he doesn't go about it in a normal way, he goes about it his TK I'm an arrogant fool way. Making criticism is fine, but even when I accepted the criticism and said it wasn't perfect and had problems he then harped on how I was supposedly defending it for like 2 pages. TK doesn't realize how to give criticism in a normal way lol.
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People are way too sensitive on here. Always insecure about their skills, like smeagol is being in this threads. Just wait until Blid and I's new products come out and buy them from us so you can wash away your insecurities with new skills.
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Swift you're a scrub you are good at GOW you are nothing at PBall. It's going to be the same story as TK I rape you off 11-0 and you cry about how you never played PBall. I am not some fluke I've played PBall for over a decade and played 1000's of 1v1s. Your arrogant claims and crying that you will beat me mean nothing, it won't come true EVER. You can practice 100's of games of PBall get the best mouse there is on the planet and I'll still rape you, the end.
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Swift you're a scrub you are good at GOW you are nothing at PBall.
LMFAO, is that suppose to be insulting?
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Lol you're a fuckin retard Swift you go around here bragging about money and your skill and shit. PBall is a totally different map than GOW requiring totally different skills. I am at the top of that skill level of PBall you are literally nothing and no matter what won't beat me in series. Get a life bro you sound like a fool. You sound like that guy who plays Warcraft 3 and is bragging he'll own the best Starcraft 2 players lol.
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So, by your logic an Olympic gold medalist can't compete with a retard, like yourself, on their turf. Thought provoking.
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You aren't an Olympic gold medal winner fool LMAO if you believe that shit you're far more delusional than I believed. You have won tournaments IN GOW, have you won a tournament in PBall? No you haven't scrub. I am however 14-7 in PBall tournaments I am the champion PBall player you are nothing. Being good at GOW doesn't mean you are good at PBall kid, you'll learn that if you ever play loser.
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Swift you're a scrub you are good at GOW you are nothing at PBall.
Think long and hard about this. Do you wanna keep baiting people to come beat you? What will you have left if someone actually does?
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Ball requires timing, Uc, and an understanding of each units abilities.. unit placement is important as well. All"skills" can be developed very quickly by someone who already has developed the same skills on other maps... much less mentally to worry about also. Brain has less tasks at hand in pball
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Blid I think you have a better understanding of this but really probably not fully either. I have literally played 1000's of people 1v1 over the years, it's not a number I made up. I play everyone who wants to play, in fact after the next GOW and PBall tournament ~Tora~ wants to host a "Beat Smeagol Event" where any GOW player can try to beat me in a best 5 in 45 Man for $50. I don't have to think hard about it Blid, I have beaten people that are 100x better than Swift in PBall currently, and even if he practices up I've beaten people that are far better than he will be in PBall.
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First off, the top GOW players, which I am unarguably one of the best ever (if not the best), are the best at essentially all blizzard made maps with a few exceptions only.
That being said, right now as we stand if we broke all customs up into categories like "macro maps" "chop" "pball/waterknight" etc etc, and then played a few from each catagory I would definitely beat you in the series decisively
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Don't care Swift you'll get easily raped off. PBall does not require the same UC as GOW besides magic and a few things. You will get raped easily it's not even a question. You sound like a fool to anyone who knows me and knows about PBall.
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He plays only micro from what I understand. He doesn't claim to be good at any pball builds
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Blid I think you have a better understanding of this but really probably not fully either. I have literally played 1000's of people 1v1 over the years, it's not a number I made up. I play everyone who wants to play, in fact after the next GOW and PBall tournament ~Tora~ wants to be a "Beat Smeagol Event" where any GOW player can try to beat me in a best 5 in 45 Man for $50. I don't have to think hard about it Blid, I have beaten people that are 100x better than Swift in PBall currently, and even if practices up that are far better than he will be in PBall.
you are very confident, perhaps too confident. Say swift gets a chance to properly practice the map for a day or two, and then comes in and beats you at it. Everything you've said on these forums will have been exposed. if a guy who practiced the map for 2 days can own someone who is the "best ever" and has played "1000s" over the years, then youd have convincingly lost the debate for good, right? And you would be nothing but a newb who beats other newbs on a newb map? So, how confident are you?
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Blid I think you have a better understanding of this but really probably not fully either. I have literally played 1000's of people 1v1 over the years, it's not a number I made up. I play everyone who wants to play, in fact after the next GOW and PBall tournament ~Tora~ wants to be a "Beat Smeagol Event" where any GOW player can try to beat me in a best 5 in 45 Man for $50. I don't have to think hard about it Blid, I have beaten people that are 100x better than Swift in PBall currently, and even if practices up that are far better than he will be in PBall.
Smeagol, every single person on this forum aside from maybe a few of your oblivious custom buddies, 100% undoubtably believes that I would crush you at pball, the only varying difference in opinion will come down to how much practice I would need to do so. To expand on that, I'm sure most of them think that they themselves, or at least many other gow players, would be able to beat you as well with some practice.
Again, that's not an arguing point. So, you shouldn't take offense to what I said. I'm just stating the facts of the situation. I'll say it again though because I want you to be offended, almost every single person on here doesn't respect anything you're saying and 100% will always know that your map is a joke, and any top gow player is leagues above you in understanding your own map. We frown on almost every single custom as newb maps, and completely believe pball to be the "newbiest" of all major custom type maps.
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Hey swift you know there's a $200 pball tournament on Nov 14th right? That could pay for your new mouse.
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Its impossible to play any pball map for more than 5 games before they get bored and move to a new map with different units, different layout, and different amount of units. I'd love to be able to get a solid 30-40 games in a row in. Even the pballers get bored of their mindless maps after a few runs at them
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ill be on war2 probably a few nights this week if anyone wants to practice. i dont believe these maps play to my personal skill set (im slow), but if you wanna play a few hit me up.
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Its impossible to play any pball map for more than 5 games before they get bored and move to a new map with different units, different layout, and different amount of units. I'd love to be able to get a solid 30-40 games in a row in. Even the pballers get bored of their mindless maps after a few runs at them
Idk how you Garden of Whores don't drop dead after endlessly playing the same map.
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Its impossible to play any pball map for more than 5 games before they get bored and move to a new map with different units, different layout, and different amount of units. I'd love to be able to get a solid 30-40 games in a row in. Even the pballers get bored of their mindless maps after a few runs at them
Idk how you Garden of Whores don't drop dead after endlessly playing the same map.
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Its so complex and versatile almost no 2 games are the same
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It really only becomes uninteresting when you realize you are as good as you're going to be without investing more time into it.. and when you're playing a few hours a day that's not always an appealing option
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Its impossible to play any pball map for more than 5 games before they get bored and move to a new map with different units, different layout, and different amount of units. I'd love to be able to get a solid 30-40 games in a row in. Even the pballers get bored of their mindless maps after a few runs at them
Idk how you Garden of Whores don't drop dead after endlessly playing the same map.
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Its so complex and versatile almost no 2 games are the same
[emoji23], good one.
I'll give you one good thing about the map tho, it's a great sleep aid.
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Its true.. the top player's 1v1's are kinds boring because they have it down to such a science and are so competitive they do a limited amount of strays against each other but there are a lot of risks and variations taken in 2v2s
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Swift there are no PBallers on this forum so big deal what your GOW buddies believe. You will get raped, there is no doubt, there is no question, you will just get raped. Blid even IF he won a best of 5 series which he won't I have still won 14-7 in tournaments and he won't EVER beat me consistently. I could sit here and tell everyone how I'd own you in GOW Swift, then dodge and just talk more shit when you say it isn't true. I'm not that stupid, you are however, you can spout all the bullshit you want, you're still going to get raped and have no skill in PBall. Play 1v1 or stfu because your talk means nothing and is just bullshit.
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That's my issue. We'll find out when we practice, TK, but I'm wondering if I'll be able to withstand playing a map over and over that has such a limited skill set long enough so that I get into a pattern and have some form of muscle memory down so that I am quicker than blowgol.
The problem is that it has such a limited amount of skills, and within those skills a limited learning curve for each. Because of this, I am unable to fully employ my incomparably superior skill set, and I am instead subject to dumbing myself down to try to match the muscle memory / repetition of someone whos played a skill-less map thousands of times. A map with such a minuscule amount of strategy, that the only relevant difference between two players is which has greater reaction time. It's like playing Burnt on Free Castles. He's not even necessarily faster than you overall, nor more strategical (obviously strategy is almost entirely non-existent in free castles, yet still substantially more that of what pball has), he's just been doing things long enough that he has shit down to muscle memory and that's the only thing he needs to beat a better player at it.
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Its true.. the top player's 1v1's are kinds boring because they have it down to such a science and are so competitive they do a limited amount of strays against each other but there are a lot of risks and variations taken in 2v2s
Post some good 2v2s then.
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I'm done arguing Swift you know absolutely nothing about PBall and will get raped no matter how much you practice. It's a sad joke you think you could beat me and it won't happen, bullshit and dodge on kid.
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It won't take you long to learn tricks about the map players like smeagol never even knew existed simply because his competition has been so low over those 1000s of games. Good players become good by being challenged. He doesn't even know he's never really been challenged
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HAhahaha these claims get funnier, none of the claims TK or Swift has come true. They both hold to them like they are some kind of fact though. The evidence is overwhelmingly there that I am the best and above everyone else in skill level. You are both blind though step up and 1v1 or shut the fuck up simple as that. You are a couple of newbs in PBall and are talking shit to the best guy, this is like SPB talking shit to Viruz and believing it, retarded shit.
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Listen smeagol, we've been bashing you with absolute/universal truths for a while here. So, I'ma switch gears and say something nice ti you for once: Really what it comes down to is this.I can't find many other reasons as to how someone is able to put up with a map so mind numbing as pball, other than the near certainty that they're of a certain degree of limited intelligence. I mean, I guess I could picture someone with a lot of stress in their life who wants to do an activity that affords them some time to rest their mind almost entirely, sort of like a nap. But, I'm thinking of someone who plays casually, unlike yourself. For someone who plays consistently for years, they've either got to be borderline retarded or have the most stressful job in the world.
What about you guys? Got any theories on how someone can play something nonstop for years that is about as mentally engaging as tic-tac-toe?
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this is like SPB talking shit to Viruz and believing it, retarded shit.
So you're calling yourself the second best pballer ever now? Nice, who's the first?
Also lol @ you comparing yourself to viruz
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Spb dominates viruz idk what you're talking about. Me, swift, and blid will play some inbtje next day or two and u it will not look good for your claims when its all said and done
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Fk typing from phone
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Haha nice troll. That you would hold any type of video game to an intelligence level proves you are a pathetic loser. Most people don't need their supposed to skill to prop up their ego like you. Enjoying a video game has to do with having fun nothing to do with intelligence. You are great at making claims and talking but not backing them up same as TK. Why don't you go brag about your money and job, you sound like a retard bro haha. Also making up stresses and factors about my life that aren't based in reality, and criticizing my intelligence while you are a low life narcissist doesn't mean shit. Rave on.
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I played Saturday for the first time in over 4 months. I kind of miss real maps that require an iq above 14 in order to be decent.
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Fk typing from phone
It's a bitch isn't it?
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No one missed you. You are a retarded narcissist troll who needs to brag on an internet forum about your money and skill on a 20 year old game to make yourself feel better. Look up Narcissist Joke in the dictionary Swift there is a picture of you by it.
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My theory was low intelligence as well. I'm being honest, not intentionally being an asshole. His behavior is similar to that of sly as well, who I also believed to have low intelligence.
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No one missed you. You are a retarded narcissist troll who needs to brag on an internet forum about your money and skill on a 20 year old game to make yourself feel better. Look up Narcissist Joke in the dictionary Swift there is a picture of you by it.
And in a few more pages, you will be listed under retard.
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Haha you'd be surprised to learn in High School I scored 90% above the country in reading comprehension, science, social studies, and spelling when compared to other students nationwide then huh? Haha I have nothing to prove but making theories based on nothing means nothing. Swift is a Narcissist joke, TK is a cry baby, here we go continuing with claims not based in reality. Step up or stop your crying kids.
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Haha you'd be surprised to learn I scored 90% above the country in reading comprehension, science, social studies, and spelling when compared to other students nationwide then huh? Haha I have nothing to prove but making theories based on nothing means nothing. Swift is a Narcissist joke, TK is a cry baby, here we go continuing with claims not based in reality. Step up or stop your crying kids.
Yet you deliver newspapers for a living [emoji54]
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I deliver 20 routes over 700 papers, the route makes over 75,000 total, it's a large scale team delivery. You act like I bike newspapers to houses.
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The brain tends to have an instinctual desire to be challenged. I think we all agree (well almost all of us) there is not Much mentally challenging about pball..So assuming someone who never decides to venture outside of a mentally inferior map has an at best "average" mental capacity is a pretty safe bet in my opinion.
If that's true, what does that say about someone like myself who contuies to argue with an individual with lower intelligence
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I deliver 20 routes over 700 papers, the route makes over 75,000 total, it's a large scale team delivery. You act like I bike newspapers to houses.
Oh shut up bro, your a glorified paperboy. [emoji993]
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No one missed you. You are a retarded narcissist troll who needs to brag on an internet forum about your money and skill on a 20 year old game to make yourself feel better. Look up Narcissist Joke in the dictionary Swift there is a picture of you by it.
Got a lot of love from my regular war2 friends actually - lux, joe, ogremage and even jordan. also other names i can't recall off the top of my head too, including a few that I don't even know.
Hell, even most the people who don't like me (which the amount that actually dislike me is highly exaggerated on here) enjoy having me logged on. You wouldn't know what it's like, but I'm very relevant to this community.
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Not to defend him but I worked a summer for a paper route and the 4 owners are all pretty well off and retired now.
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You weren't able to compete with the top level PBallers and lost 11-0 to me 6-1 to Xcal and 2-0 to QUICK. Yes you do initiate these arguments about PBall and I just continue them because of how retarded yours and Swifts claims are haha. The skill in PBall comes from playing top level players 1v1 and doind 2v3s and 2v4s like I do the majority of the time. It's funny we're back to this worn out argument Swift, TK, and I, haha I'm going to check out I'll be on the server PBalling tonight TK if you want to 1v1, Swift anytime you want to play let me know, you will both get raped.
Also Ryu I prefer PAPER CARRIER :P. It's actually a good set up besides working 365 days a year and snow,rain, ice, bad weather days. For 3-4 hours of work everyday the routes make over 75k a year. Not many jobs like that.
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Not to defend him but I worked a summer for a paper route and the 4 owners are all pretty well off and retired now.
He's not a owner.
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smeagol's career is a paper delivery bike boy
love it
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It would be impossible to deliver any part of my route on a bike fool. My routes take up over 15 squares miles with 700 papers in them. They are delivered in 2 vehicles and I work with a partner. This isn't a small scale route it's tons of papers and planning and work. That your understanding of delivering 700 newspapers in an urban area is so pathetic shows your intelligence again Swift. That is a large route and takes up large amounts of space along with the papers taking up 100s of pounds. You really suck at logistics.
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Those owners are going to retire one day.. they gotta hand it off to someone.
The problem is that the need for news papers is declining as technology increases
Its most likely not a very stable long term career
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Also I am an owner of the route Ryu Lmao. I work with a partner and we split the profits, we are independent contractors. We actually work for ourselves but follow the rules of the company. 75,000 a year for 3-4 hours of work is a great set up, I have been doing it for 15 years.
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It would be impossible to deliver any part of my route on a bike fool. My routes take up over 15 squares miles with 700 papers in them. They are delivered in 2 vehicles and I work with a partner. This isn't a small scale route it's tons of papers and planning and work. That your understanding of delivering 700 newspapers in an urban area is so pathetic shows your intelligence again Swift. That is a large route and takes up large amounts of space along with the papers taking up 100s of pounds. You really suck at logistics.
Good thing we have your super brain for the job [emoji23]
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This isn't a small scale route it's tons of papers and planning and work.
LMFAO
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Wow how does this already have 11 pages of comments...LOL
Thanks a lot smeag for the upload
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Those owners are going to retire one day.. they gotta hand it off to someone.
The problem is that the need for news papers is declining as technology increases
Its most likely not a very stable long term career
Correct. My town was booming with newspapers only 10 years ago. Now? Hardly a news stand in sight, more places now offer free WiFi.
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It's so fitting that he would defend something like the complexities and hardships of being a newpaper delivery bike boy right after defending his skill as a pball player.
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This isn't a small scale route it's tons of papers and planning and work.
LMFAO
HAHAHA
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Of course, it took a brain to build the routes in an efficient way so they could be delivered optimally. Started out with 1 route and built them up in the areas we needed and wanted. Our original idea and we built them the way we wanted so that it takes the quick amount of time it does now. Besides feet of snow, ice, and bad rain and shit it takes 3-4 hours a day and is just going out and doing it every day. I get to be in nature and make great money for a few hours of work a day.
Also swift why make TONS bold I was being literal. On a Sunday route day the biggest day they are in bundles of 8 or less and weighing over 20 pounds a piece. We ACTUALLY do have a ton of papers on Sunday fool.
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Yeah the generation of people who get their news in the form of paper is quickly dying literally
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News is going online that's very true. The newspaper we deliver they can either go online or have it in hard copy. All of our customers have that choice and still take the paper. The older generation and many of the younger generation prefer something to hold on to. Ebooks were projected years ago to pass normal books, normal books are still ahead in sales.
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It's so fitting that he would defend something like the complexities and hardships of being a newpaper delivery bike boy right after defending his skill as a pball player.
I just don't like him claiming to be a super genius when is about the most retarded person on this forum and possibly the server. You hoes don't deal with this simpleton most nights on the server like I do.
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Lol you're an idiot if you think I claimed I was a super genius Ryu. All I did was defend myself with the truth. I did score those scores on the ITEDS and other such tests every year I took them in school. You are a sad troll these days Ryu, haha get a life bro.
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TK how about you record the finals on Sunday this time around then.
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This is getting borderline bullying as it will never get through to Smeagol that he is a bit out of touch with what a truly hard job / skillfull map is and it won't ever be made clear to him. i'm done
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Lol this shit is actually beyond retarded has been for a while. First you guys claim you own me in PBall which you can't and won't back up. Now you claim a job I've done for 15 years and made a living just fine is a bad job or something. I could care less what you or Ryu have to say, you are a couple of trolls and fools. Swift can't even comprehend what a 700 paper route encompasses and thinks it could be done on a bike he is so retarded. Swift you are a narcissist and and a fool with an ego problem. Ryu you are a troll with possible Borderline Personality disorder. You guys all lick each others asses then convince yourself you are making progress, you are just retards that is all.
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Alright can we please get back on topic, this thread isn't supposed to be about smeagols paper route and what not.
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Hahaha this thread was never about what it was supposed to be Tora. For a few pages then Swift and TK started talking shit about PBall. Then ryu came in with his irrelevant crap and bringing up what people do for a living. 90% of this thread should be put in flame wars.
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And as far as "skill" with p ball goes, don't worry I have decided a fun way to prove if Pball does take skill or not.
Stay tuned next week. ;D
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Also swift why make TONS bold I was being literal. On a Sunday route day the biggest day they are in bundles of 8 or less and weighing over 20 pounds a piece. We ACTUALLY do have a ton of papers on Sunday fool.
I'm surprised you have no idea why I bolded tons, but lets change the subject a bit here.
So how many papers do you deliver on sunday?
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It is tons on some of the days that's why you sound like a fool. Also imagine 700 houses, now imagine those 700 houses split between 20 routes in a city of 60,000. If you think you could go out without planning or teamwork and deliver those papers you are sadly mistaken. It is miles of routes with 700 papers and 100s of pounds and yes TONS on Sunday and Black Friday. Your ignorance of something is no excuse, all good though. How about them replays? :P
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I would say that pball does have a skillset required. The amount of micro required to be the best at this would be a lot. The other thing that goes along with a map like this is to have a single minded focus on learning only one map. Smeagol's greatest attribute and quite possibly biggest detriment is that he was able to consistently play only this map. To think that anyone in this era of w2 would have the ability and the patience to accomplish both is pretty egotistical. As tk has hinted, there aren't enough pball players. It would be hard to get in the volume required just to achieve the muscle memory to be considered great. Time is also another issue here. Does anyone who still plays w2 and has the requisite traits to become great at pball have the time for it? The answer is closer to no than anything else.
The skillset for pball is quite small and smeagol has obviously peaked for his ability. Developing micro to that level would be inefficient if you were a player of many maps. Because maps require so many other skills, especially bnes, it is not shocking at all that it isn't easy for someone to just randomly play a map for 2 days and beat smeagol. However, there is no way that a player who specializes in only pball should try to compare themselves to a "gow" player. While you may have a micro advantage, the peak of being a micro only player is somewhere around BHC-Hawk level. Is that commendable? Yes and also probably because hawk is a nice guy. On the other hand, he is nowhere near the top of any list for being a great player.
What does it all mean? Nothing really. Smeagol enjoys pball and is being attacked for no reason. I ask that "gow" players lay off him. Let him enjoy w2. Also for Smeagol, understand that gow is a lot more intricate and requires a lot more of a well rounded skillset. I came from a customs background and with time, you get to understand that everything has different versions and requirements of how to use a skillset. My high apm has been an advantage in late games but I do not have your micro skills so it is something I have had to spend time developing. There is also resource management that comes into play in maps such as these. In a map as developed and played as gow, you have to be at least very good at all aspects of w2 to be a "great" player. Understanding what is possible due to amount of units built/build orders/building placements and time requirements takes time. You also have to pattern map your enemies to win the situations that are normally 50/50 or less for yourself. Just as I and others can see alot of nuances in gow, there are surely things you do/think that we don't see. Understanding that, you can have a greater appreciation of how big w2 can be and maybe branch out and give other things a shot. Perhaps, you'll also find some extra pball players that try to take you up on your challenge. Embrace the new faces and don't do what the gow community has done to new players. You can't change the gow community anymore but as the leader of pball you can surely up the fun factor for those new to it and possibly find yourself new challenges and many more games.
Cliff Notes: Lol why you read this far?
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Greenplastic actually speaks a lot of sense. You guys don't know or like my game are biased and just spout bullshit to me. Greenplastic I have acknowledged GOW is more complex map and takes a more complex skill set. PBall takes it's own skill and strategy separate from GOW and I only claim to be good in PBall. I would lose on GOW and admit it, I only ask the same respect in PBall. Anyway at least you took the time to be unbiased and post a logical response, thank you.
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Swift is in here talking shit about people delivering papers when he admitted to stealing his dad's debit card and taking money out of his dad's bank account to post on here to impress people, not to mention admitting lying about having a girlfriend to impress people and cheating at a computer game to impress people, lol. The funniest part is how mad he'll get when he reads this while I and others remain possessed of a serene calm.
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Anyway you put it smeagol, pball doesn't take 1/100th the skills that gow does.
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Could care less at this point, I'm still 100x better than you in PBall what does that say. Dodge on.
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there's a lot of truth in your post joe. i've said it before, there's no guarantee i could ever beat smeagol at pball, because im slow. i don't have the micro skills and he obviously has good ones. that being said, i do believe a gow player with good micro could step into that map and likely match smeagol in a matter of days, because pball is a simplistic game and the new person would be coming in already possessing micro skills. they'd only have to tailor those micro skills to the new map so they oculd apply them effectively. now, is it possible that smeagol is one of the great micro gods to ever come along? i suppose it is, but at the same time, there's definitely not much competition in pball, so he could be quite mortal. he's lost 7 tournaments out of 21 to guys like quick{hr} apparently. i think a player like viruz being able to match and surpass smeagol in a matter of days is a near certainty. a player like tk? maybe not.
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Here's one. How about this.
You've probably played gow way more times than I have played pball, and we've probably both played our repesctive maps near an equal amount so: here's the challenge
I'll bet I can beat you at pball, way before you can beat me at gow
We'll do Gow first, say twenty five games.
Then we play pball twenty five games. If I don't win any, we go back to gow and do another twenty five
then back to pball
lets see who can win more at the other persons map
and this is with me doing NO pball practice other than the roughly 10-20 times i've played it in 15 years
what say u
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Nah Blid there has been a lot of PBall players with top skill over the years. Micro game to game is not the same when it applies to PBall. I understand the concepts, strategies, units and movements of PBall. There will not be a top GOW player to beat me in a few days let alone a few months. If some start playing a lot they will win here and there they will never beat me consistently. QUICK{hR}, Xcal, Cs-Kirby, Murd0ck, Flea, Proof-Dealer, $Killa$Lancelot there are many PBallers that are still good. I dominate in 1v1s that's why I win so many tournaments, I mostly play 2v3s and 2v4s. I've already played top level GOW players, Medivh is a regular PBaller and DOES NOT beat me consistently but he is good. I've played all types of players over the years I sometimes lose a series but I wouldn't vs GOW players new to PBall and I will win consistently over time like I have vs other top players.
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$Killa$Lancelot there are many PBallers that are still good.
this guy is fucking terrible, i saw a replay of him and he was a joke
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there's a lot of truth in your post joe. i've said it before, there's no guarantee i could ever beat smeagol at pball, because im slow. i don't have the micro skills and he obviously has good ones. that being said, i do believe a gow player with good micro could step into that map and likely match smeagol in a matter of days, because pball is a simplistic game and the new person would be coming in already possessing micro skills. they'd only have to tailor those micro skills to the new map so they oculd apply them effectively. now, is it possible that smeagol is one of the great micro gods to ever come along? i suppose it is, but at the same time, there's definitely not much competition in pball, so he could be quite mortal. he's lost 7 tournaments out of 21 to guys like quick{hr} apparently. i think a player like viruz being able to match and surpass smeagol in a matter of days is a near certainty. a player like tk? maybe not.
pball has a limited amount of micro skills required compared to gow type maps
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I also don't give a shit about your GOW skill Swift I already said you were better I could care less. You are the one talking shit about PBall and dodging, I already said I'd lose at GOW. Step up and play or stop crying and trying to find ways around playing me. Weak ass fucker.
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He was drunk Blid I already told you that. Lance gets drunk and plays like slop, also his best map is 60 Man PBall not 45 Man. If he was sober and actually trying in an even game he is competent and good.
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i wll try to ask medivh at some point how unbelievable you are at pball. his word will carry a little more heft
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Okay Medivh is a good friend of mine. In 1v1s he is a good PBaller he would probably have a record of around 60-40 or 65-35 with me being ahead. Medi plays PBall between GOWs and I have known him since he was Legolas.IT. He's a skilled player and a good guy.
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Swift is in here talking shit about people delivering papers when he admitted to stealing his dad's debit card and taking money out of his dad's bank account to post on here to impress people, not to mention admitting lying about having a girlfriend to impress people and cheating at a computer game to impress people, lol. The funniest part is how mad he'll get when he reads this while I and others remain possessed of a serene calm.
Lol dude I just noticed your signature [emoji23]
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Here's one. How about this.
You've probably played gow way more times than I have played pball, and we've probably both played our repesctive maps near an equal amount so: here's the challenge
I'll bet I can beat you at pball, way before you can beat me at gow
We'll do Gow first, say twenty five games.
Then we play pball twenty five games. If I don't win any, we go back to gow and do another twenty five
then back to pball
lets see who can win more at the other persons map
and this is with me doing NO pball practice other than the roughly 10-20 times i've played it in 15 years
what say u
I got a better idea swift how bout u play Smeagol a bo5 in 45man pball u win ill give you $100 and you get bragging rights.
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i wll try to ask medivh at some point how unbelievable you are at pball. his word will carry a little more heft
Rofl medivh is good at pball? i 5-0'd him on it. I thought he blew?
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Here's one. How about this.
You've probably played gow way more times than I have played pball, and we've probably both played our repesctive maps near an equal amount so: here's the challenge
I'll bet I can beat you at pball, way before you can beat me at gow
We'll do Gow first, say twenty five games.
Then we play pball twenty five games. If I don't win any, we go back to gow and do another twenty five
then back to pball
lets see who can win more at the other persons map
and this is with me doing NO pball practice other than the roughly 10-20 times i've played it in 15 years
what say u
I got a better idea swift how bout u play Smeagol a bo5 in 45man pball u win ill give you $100 and you get bragging rights.
i don't want your money. i've won league/tourny/special match money before and never collect - ranging from $10 to pimster, and something like a few to several hundred from burnt
but more importantly - why are you thinking i would brag about beating a pballer?
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When did you 5-0 Medivh you haven't even played PBall in how long? Lmao. Also Medivh is a good GOW player and he is a good PBaller. Play him now or play me, accept Toras challenge. I still hear hollow claims and dodging, that's all.
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When did you 5-0 Medivh you haven't even played PBall in how long? Lmao. Also Medivh is a good GOW player and he is a good PBaller. Play him now or play me, accept Toras challenge. I still hear hollow claims and dodging, that's all.
Only thing that is hollow is your head.
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It would make good entertainment surely you can appreciate that. lol
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Ryu are you even involved in this? No you aren't. Hasn't stopped you from posting your usual irrelevant crap and trolling here though. Do you have nothing better to do you have troll posts that have nothing to do with you? I think the answer is a resounding yes you are that sad.
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It would make good entertainment surely you can appreciate that. lol
Smeagol making a fool of himself on the server and forum is all the entertainment I need.
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Yeah I get attacked over the video game I play then what I do for a living and defend myself. You contributing to it when it has nothing to do with you just means you are a sad snake. Ryu your obsession with me is pretty sad.
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Does Ryu play 45 man?
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Ryu played PBall at one time. He has a very few times in the last so many years. Ryu mostly just plays RPGs every once in a while with friends.
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p.s. i never 5-0'd medivh. troll bait nobody bit tho
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Does Ryu play 45 man?
I prefer woman. [emoji6]
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I would say that pball does have a skillset required. The amount of micro required to be the best at this would be a lot. The other thing that goes along with a map like this is to have a single minded focus on learning only one map. Smeagol's greatest attribute and quite possibly biggest detriment is that he was able to consistently play only this map. To think that anyone in this era of w2 would have the ability and the patience to accomplish both is pretty egotistical. As tk has hinted, there aren't enough pball players. It would be hard to get in the volume required just to achieve the muscle memory to be considered great. Time is also another issue here. Does anyone who still plays w2 and has the requisite traits to become great at pball have the time for it? The answer is closer to no than anything else.
The skillset for pball is quite small and smeagol has obviously peaked for his ability. Developing micro to that level would be inefficient if you were a player of many maps. Because maps require so many other skills, especially bnes, it is not shocking at all that it isn't easy for someone to just randomly play a map for 2 days and beat smeagol. However, there is no way that a player who specializes in only pball should try to compare themselves to a "gow" player. While you may have a micro advantage, the peak of being a micro only player is somewhere around BHC-Hawk level. Is that commendable? Yes and also probably because hawk is a nice guy. On the other hand, he is nowhere near the top of any list for being a great player.
What does it all mean? Nothing really. Smeagol enjoys pball and is being attacked for no reason. I ask that "gow" players lay off him. Let him enjoy w2. Also for Smeagol, understand that gow is a lot more intricate and requires a lot more of a well rounded skillset. I came from a customs background and with time, you get to understand that everything has different versions and requirements of how to use a skillset. My high apm has been an advantage in late games but I do not have your micro skills so it is something I have had to spend time developing. There is also resource management that comes into play in maps such as these. In a map as developed and played as gow, you have to be at least very good at all aspects of w2 to be a "great" player. Understanding what is possible due to amount of units built/build orders/building placements and time requirements takes time. You also have to pattern map your enemies to win the situations that are normally 50/50 or less for yourself. Just as I and others can see alot of nuances in gow, there are surely things you do/think that we don't see. Understanding that, you can have a greater appreciation of how big w2 can be and maybe branch out and give other things a shot. Perhaps, you'll also find some extra pball players that try to take you up on your challenge. Embrace the new faces and don't do what the gow community has done to new players. You can't change the gow community anymore but as the leader of pball you can surely up the fun factor for those new to it and possibly find yourself new challenges and many more games.
Cliff Notes: Lol why you read this far?
You're absolutely right that pball puds definitely have the potential for great micro skills within the limited spectrum of variable situations that such maps provide. However, you don't need a royal flush to beat one pair. In other words, in order to be the best at something you only need to be a step ahead of the competition, not at the top of some imaginary skill-set ceiling (unless the competition is within par). Of course you already know all of that. Really why I'm saying it is I'm trying to get at what it comes down to which is I think you have a false perception as to the reality of the pball community's skill set. It seems as if you're entirely overrating smeagol's skills. I don't know from where, because unless his UC was extremely impaired in every single game I've ever seen him play (including recent replays), then he has average micro at best for what's possible in pball. Other than being a little quicker than average on the grab, his UC is very weak.
I think you should see for yourself, probably even play with him to get the full feel. He'll most likely beat you of course, but if you don't notice within the first few games that his uc is poor even for that map, then I'll be surprised. My bet is that you'll play him and realize you yourself could beat this guy with very little practice. If you do decide to play, they seem to common the 45 unit map one with mages, peons, archers, balistas, knights, skellies etc. And I can almost guarantee you'll be catching tons of his important units, and getting him beat down to 5-10 units right out of the gate in your first games with very little all time practice under your belt, and almost no warm up that day. And you and I both know, the potential for such a map within that limited spectrum of micro skills and basic defense/attack tactics is pretty high, so if the map were anywhere near "perfected" then a truly great player at it would absolutely smoke other players. I seriously would like you to take this challenge and come back here and tell me if you still think the same afterwards.
Again, I get your point about the potential for such maps maybe being a bit downplayed here, but I just feel like you're mixing the potential up with the reality of where smeagol and other such players skills are currently at for such maps.
I really don't mean to make this about xxxsmeagolxxx so much either, as it really about pball and he's just acting as the spokesman for it. He also just happens to apparently be the best at it, and so he's probably the player who should be analyzed.
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Lol Swift proving he's a fool again. I have better UC than nearly anyone in PBall kid. I can do whatever I want with the units and take average 2x my units in kills in most games. I also win 1v2s, 2v3s, 2v4s, and 3v4s, I have also won two 1v3s. You're a joke and know nothing about my UC as you haven't played me. You judge UC in games where I won and did everything I needed to win. You'd get raped off and you are still dodging and spouting bullshit, that's you though.
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Nothing personal - It's just, most good gow player would knock you down to a small fraction of units each game, before you killed them. Then from that point, they'll realize how beatable you are and it's just up to them if they want to apply some extra time to surpass you. Either way, it'll be apparent to them that you aren't that high up on the very small learning curve of pball maps.
Out of your 11 games, how many times did tk get you down to 10 or less units?
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Blah blah blah there were only a few games where I was less than 10 units with TK but any that were I had my best units left. PBall is also about what units you have left and take kid. You wouldn't beat me and you continue to dodge so I could care less about your bitching at this point. You don't understand the game or that you would get raped by me. Continue to dodge and cry I for one don't care. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh!
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I knew you would bring up the fact that it's about what units you have left/kill, as if it's some big secret I don't know about.
If you were great you wouldn't be losing a decent amount of your vital units to people who don't play the map. It's not really something to discuss though, if people want to learn for themselves what I already know, then they can play you and see that even for a novice to the map you're very beatable.
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Waaaaah, name some people who have beaten me? Have you beaten me no... Keep crying and dodging, dodge on, rave on. Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah INSERT CONJECTURE Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah INSERT DODGE Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah INSERT BULLSHIT Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah!
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Waaaaah, name some people who have beaten me? Have you beaten me no... Keep crying and dodging, dodge on, rave on. Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah INSERT CONJECTURE Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah INSERT DODGE Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah INSERT BULLSHIT Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah!
So much for 90th percentile [emoji23]
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I have no interest in this conversation anymore that's obvious. Swift can continue to make claims about shit he knows nothing about. Unless he plays he's just a dodger spouting bullshit as usual. Yet another pointless argument in retard land(also known as forum.war2.ru). Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah Waaaaah
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Swift I think you really broke him [emoji50]....this is plain spam now.
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Ryu behold the field in which i grow my fucks. Lay thine eyes upon it and thou shalt see that it is barren. I give no fucks about this make claims then don't back them up troll ass argument. He can play or continue to dodge, if he continues to dodge he just proves my point. No fucks given about this topic anymore.
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... No fucks given about this topic anymore.
Based on your past history, I highly doubt that.
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Let me quote this again, "Ryu behold the field in which i grow my fucks. Lay thine eyes upon it and thou shalt see that it is barren. I give no fucks about this make claims then don't back them up troll ass argument." Anyway moving froward, heading to work have a great night. NO FUCKS GIVEN.
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Let me quote this again, "Ryu behold the field in which i grow my fucks. Lay thine eyes upon it and thou shalt see that it is barren. I give no fucks about this make claims then don't back them up troll ass argument." Anyway moving froward, heading to work have a great night. NO FUCKS GIVEN.
I think you just gave a fuck [emoji54]
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