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Title: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: jordan4385 on September 04, 2019, 01:59:17 PM
Which is more of a hack?
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: jordan4385 on September 04, 2019, 02:05:09 PM
hrm it appears i forgot to add an option for "who gives a fuck?"
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 02:06:57 PM
Both of them can be considere as a hack and both of them can be considere as legit.

It's not what is it that make it a hack but how you acces to it.

If it came with the original version its not a hack.

If you have to download it outside the game or the community its an hack.

Even the map editor is a hack since you can see what map your playing and your ennemies maybe cant.

But since we let it in open download of the original website of war2ru combat and you got the right to choose it in the installation, it's not a hack anymore.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: {Lance} on September 04, 2019, 02:18:43 PM
Did you know that the original war2 put out by Blizzard also had the map editor?  The editor that comes with Combat is THE editor that came with the original war2 game by blizzard.  Are you sure you're talking about the map EDITOR and not a map HACK?  Besides,  why is a map editor a hack in the first place?  It's not something you use during a game anyway.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: jordan4385 on September 04, 2019, 02:20:04 PM
No hes talking about when I am playing b2b combat and i put a giant image of the map on my second monitor so I can see where I am going ;)

Which i am definitely guilty of on any random map i ever play.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: {Lance} on September 04, 2019, 02:22:02 PM
No hes talking about when I am playing b2b combat and i put a giant image of the map on my second monitor so I can see where I am going ;)

Which i am definitely guilty of on any random map i ever play.

Ooooo hhaha yes.  I have done that before too.  But it wasnt with a monitor.  I use to literally PRINT the maps and had them all on my desk.  I totally forgot about that until you just mentioned it LMFAO.  I havent had a printed map in over 20yrs!  Wow that brings back memories hahaha.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Incos on September 04, 2019, 02:24:47 PM
Both legit. Ones in combat, other is changing a dat file
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 02:25:54 PM
Did you know that the original war2 put out by Blizzard also had the map editor?  The editor that comes with Combat is THE editor that came with the original war2 game by blizzard.  Are you sure you're talking about the map EDITOR and not a map HACK?  Besides,  why is a map editor a hack in the first place?  It's not something you use during a game anyway.

Do you know your not playing Warcraft II battle net edition but your playing Warcraft II RU Combat?

Like i said the map itself itself it's a kind of hack, but since everyone is allow to have it from the installation it's not anymore.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 02:27:09 PM
Funny how everyone said customize hotkeys is not hack are peoples who customize ther hotkeys.

Lance, lone, claw, szwagier, all fucking cheaters lol
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Incos on September 04, 2019, 02:29:08 PM
Anyone can change their hotkeys tho... it’s not a hack...
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: jordan4385 on September 04, 2019, 02:31:11 PM
Funny how everyone said customize hotkeys is not hack are peoples who customize ther hotkeys.

Lance, lone, claw, szwagier, all fucking cheaters lol

You would rather call the entire community "fucking cheaters" rather then look at your own line of thought as possibly inaccurate.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Incos on September 04, 2019, 02:33:26 PM
We should be more upset at people map hacking than using custom keys. Maphacking is a hack
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 02:35:18 PM
Anyone can change their hotkeys tho... it’s not a hack...

It will not be a hack if you will be able to customize it from the game itself or if an add on will be able to download on the war2ru website.

Thats why every games of 2019 allow you to customize your own hotkey since some peoples who have no money to buy some high price keyboard are totally desadvantage by that.

Money is not representative of skills… Anything that can make you better by paying while poor peoples cant is a hack.

Money is not representative of skills.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: {Lance} on September 04, 2019, 02:35:38 PM
Funny how everyone said customize hotkeys is not hack are peoples who customize ther hotkeys.

Lance, lone, claw, szwagier, all fucking cheaters lol

EQ have you ever seen me play?  I dont even use hotkeys.  On purpose.  I play for leisure now,  I no longer bother using hotkeys.  When you play against me,  you're literally playing someone who plays with ONE hand.  So I suggest you dont ever lose or have a hard time beating me,  cuz that would be REALLY embarrassing for you.  Just watch my twitch streams,  I literally use ONE hand to play war2 now.

But if you REALLY want to change your hotkeys,  I told you how to do that in the other thread with AutoHotkey app.  It's 100% free and everyone can use it.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 02:38:27 PM
Funny how everyone said customize hotkeys is not hack are peoples who customize ther hotkeys.

Lance, lone, claw, szwagier, all fucking cheaters lol

You would rather call the entire community "fucking cheaters" rather then look at your own line of thought as possibly inaccurate.

The entire community? You mean the entire community of geek, thos guys are all programmar and clearly abuse of ther knowledge in programmation to get better over non programmer player. And peoples who cant programm will wish to have money to get on ther level and will buy super key board if they can.

The day we gonna have customize hotkey in the game itself it will not be hack anymore, for now its totally a real hack and i dont cares what people said, the entire community is wrong if needed.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 02:39:10 PM
Funny how everyone said customize hotkeys is not hack are peoples who customize ther hotkeys.

Lance, lone, claw, szwagier, all fucking cheaters lol

EQ have you ever seen me play?  I dont even use hotkeys.  On purpose.  I play for leisure now,  I no longer bother using hotkeys.  When you play against me,  you're literally playing someone who plays with ONE hand.  So I suggest you dont ever lose or have a hard time beating me,  cuz that would be REALLY embarrassing for you.  Just watch my twitch streams,  I literally use ONE hand to play war2 now.

But if you REALLY want to change your hotkeys,  I told you how to do that in the other thread with AutoHotkey app.  It's 100% free and everyone can use it.


I dont see you play cuz you pretty bad bro, nobody in my reach of level will watch you play, sorry to tell you.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: {Lance} on September 04, 2019, 02:45:07 PM
Heh EQ u crack me up.  It's like you think everyone plays competitively today or something.  I'd say maybe 5% of the people playing today actually play to be competitive.  Thats far different than what it was like when Kahn/Kali/Zone were the talk of the day and literally every person was playing competitively.  Today,  I play war2 mostly to have fun and relax.  I play with 1 hand,  leaning back in my chair with a beer in the other hand.  I have a feeling PB plays the same way and I KNOW PBR plays that way too lol.  But that doesnt mean we CANT play competitively,  we just choose not to,  win or lose.  If I really had the motivation to do so,  I can and would utilize every hotkey and every unit for the correct situation.  I know when and how to do so,  I just choose not to because I'm just lazy like that.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: jordan4385 on September 04, 2019, 02:48:21 PM
Lol, the entire community is wrong if they disagree with me!
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 02:49:07 PM
Lol, the entire community is wrong if they disagree with me!

No they are wrong if they desagree with the logic.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 02:50:52 PM
It's like going to olimpic on steroids and saying i dont cheat i have paid for that. LoL
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 02:53:17 PM
It's like playing pro baseball and doing homerun everyday with a metal bat and saying i dont cheat i paid for that! Lol
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 02:53:56 PM
It's like racing in F1 and using turbo and saying i dont cheat i paid for that Lol
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: jordan4385 on September 04, 2019, 02:55:51 PM
besides the point but, you can dl a free software that does the same for ANY keyboard...

also i dont think it would make ANY difference for me at all, or i would have done it a long time ago.

So i put a bump on my P key so i can find it better in the dark, am i cheating?
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 03:01:08 PM
besides the point but, you can dl a free software that does the same for ANY keyboard...

also i dont think it would make ANY difference for me at all, or i would have done it a long time ago.

So i put a bump on my P key so i can find it better in the dark, am i cheating?

lol dude cant find his hotkey after 20 years, im done with you guys LOLLL

ps: No it's not a hack, you just suck lol
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: {Lance} on September 04, 2019, 03:06:21 PM
Yes I know,  I use SUCH a high end keyboard!  I mean,  look at this beast!  It's got to be like the most MODERN configurable keyboard ON THE PLANET!

PS:  In case you didnt pick up on the sarcasm,  I havent changed keyboards since literally 1998.  No joke.  I use a PS/2 to USB adapter just to use it lol.  It'll be a sad day when this keyboard dies.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 03:08:30 PM
Yes I know,  I use SUCH a high end keyboard!  I mean,  look at this beast!  It's got to be like the most MODERN configurable keyboard ON THE PLANET!

PS:  In case you didnt pick up on the sarcasm,  I havent changed keyboards since literally 1998.  No joke.

You certainly dont hack with this big crap of shit, i mean how the fuck can you play with this, and you still try to figure why you suck so bad Lol
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: {Lance} on September 04, 2019, 03:11:44 PM
It may look like a pile of shit,  but let me tell you,  this thing can take a BEATING and still keep on ticking :D  Best keyboard I've ever used lol.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 03:25:00 PM
Now thats a gaming keyboard, 40 gold keyboard.

(https://i.imgur.com/PGzc7zL.jpg)
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: iL on September 04, 2019, 04:04:45 PM
BTW, custom configurable keys is a plan for future versions.

Why not to change one key to another?
There's 7 languages now, 5 optionally different hotkeys.
If you want some kind of of custom keyboard - do it!
I think so.

And your poll is not proper, let me make another one...
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 04, 2019, 04:11:46 PM
There's 7 languages now, 5 optionally different hotkeys.
This has always been the thing. People grew up using different versions of War2 with different hotkeys that they got used to.  Hotkey has never been standard for everyone
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: (PLS DELETE MY ACC) on September 04, 2019, 04:14:54 PM

Why not to change one key to another?
There's 7 languages now, 5 optionally different hotkeys.
If you want some kind of of custom keyboard - do it!
I think so.


100% THIS. DIFF KEYS FOR DIFF LANGUAGES MAKE ANY KEY MODIFICATIONS NOT A HAK
I BELIEVE MESSIAH HAD A CUSTOM HOTKEY UTILITY FOR W2. I ALSO STARTED SIMILAR PROJECT BUT GOT BORED HALFWAY TRU.
QWE ASD ZXC HOTKEYS DIDNT RLY SUIT ME
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 04:19:31 PM
There's 7 languages now, 5 optionally different hotkeys.
This has always been the thing. People grew up using different versions of War2 with different hotkeys that they got used to.  Hotkey has never been standard for everyone

You talk about a game in 32 bit created in 1995, time have change and every game allow you to customize your hotkeys because they dont want to alterate the real skills player for money.

Do you understand that part where money dont do skills?

If someone have money to buy a keyboard wich allow you to get better then the game itself allow you to be and someone dont have that money, then it's a big probleme for the true skillz rating.

I have no probleme with the fact that peoples can switch hotkeys for what they want untill everyone can do it by the game itself.

I got a probleme with the fact that some people can afford those privilege and some other else cant.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: jordan4385 on September 04, 2019, 04:22:29 PM
Once again, you can use this on ANY keyboard, but some keyboards come with software to do it for you.

https://www.autohotkey.com/ (https://www.autohotkey.com/)

FREE FOR EVERYONE.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on September 04, 2019, 04:30:54 PM

Why not to change one key to another?
There's 7 languages now, 5 optionally different hotkeys.
If you want some kind of of custom keyboard - do it!
I think so.


100% THIS. DIFF KEYS FOR DIFF LANGUAGES MAKE ANY KEY MODIFICATIONS NOT A HAK
I BELIEVE MESSIAH HAD A CUSTOM HOTKEY UTILITY FOR W2. I ALSO STARTED SIMILAR PROJECT BUT GOT BORED HALFWAY TRU.
QWE ASD ZXC HOTKEYS DIDNT RLY SUIT ME
his hotkey tool had a sexy lady picture on it
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: tk[as] on September 04, 2019, 04:33:34 PM
I think they're pretty equivalent in that they're both potentially giving the player an unfair advantage. One is an actual hack and the other is a hardware modification.

I'm curious what constitutes a macro hack? Double click for example gives a very clear advantage. Using 1 button to perform 2 actions... most seem ok with that. Are they ok with designating the #1 key (ctrl+ 1 + O).. so if you were to hotkey your barracks 1,2,3,4 you would just have to type those numbers and an ogre would auto create?
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: (PLS DELETE MY ACC) on September 04, 2019, 04:38:25 PM
I'm curious what constitutes a macro hack? Double click for example gives a very clear advantage. Using 1 button to perform 2 actions... most seem ok with that. Are they ok with designating the #1 key (ctrl+ 1 + O).. so if you were to hotkey your barracks 1,2,3,4 you would just have to type those numbers and an ogre would auto create?
IF ZELYA'S ACTION TRACKER WAS MADE AVAILABLE, THEN WE COULD DETECT THE FILTHY DOUBLECLICKERS WITH 100% CERTAINTY
THEN SUM KIND OF POLICY COULD BE ENFORCED EVEN AGAINST THAT
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: maciek on September 04, 2019, 04:39:23 PM
Why is it so big a deal with chop bars. It won't win player's game because he sent peon to gold who started chopping tree first. At chop farms it's pretty useless because good players have their building order and it won't help new player to make better build placement.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 04:44:55 PM
Once again, you can use this on ANY keyboard, but some keyboards come with software to do it for you.

https://www.autohotkey.com/ (https://www.autohotkey.com/)

FREE FOR EVERYONE.

It dont modify Warcraft II, it modify my entire windows, no thank you.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: tk[as] on September 04, 2019, 04:45:08 PM
It could definitely win/lose games in some situations.. low resources it would have a very real purpose. Chop farms.. or maybe a game where 2 players played for an extremely long time.. killed most of each other's units/buildings and each player is left with very minimal resources and units.

There have been plenty of games I know I've lost simply because other was using double click. The game was so close, but that 1 less action they had to perform that takes a fraction of a second to complete gave them the winning edge.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 04:49:37 PM
Why is it so big a deal with chop bars. It won't win player's game because he sent peon to gold who started chopping tree first. At chop farms it's pretty useless because good players have their building order and it won't help new player to make better build placement.

Dont try to explain something so much advanced to a couple of b players, let them keep counting there chop while we lust and they still hold counting chops. Lol
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: maciek on September 04, 2019, 04:52:20 PM
And only opinions i saw that chop bars are huge advantage on chop farms from people who barely play chop...
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: jordan4385 on September 04, 2019, 04:54:11 PM
Dont try to explain something so much advanced to a couple of b players, let them keep counting there chop while we lust and they still hold counting chops. Lol

8-2 nox, 8-2.

not just a couple of b players anymore, newb.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: Nox on September 04, 2019, 05:00:00 PM
Dont try to explain something so much advanced to a couple of b players, let them keep counting there chop while we lust and they still hold counting chops. Lol

8-2 nox, 8-2.

not just a couple of b players anymore, newb.

Wtf is 8-2, what that even mean.
Title: Re: Which is more of a hack ?
Post by: tk[as] on September 04, 2019, 05:02:52 PM
Who is zeyla?feature?