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General Discussion / Things You Like To Watch Online or TV
« on: April 17, 2018, 07:18:51 PM »

WATCH: DIZASTER vs SWAVE SEVAH with GEECHI GOTTI, LI THE MAYOR, ILLMAC, and CHASE MOORE - YouTube

I have been watching rap battles since 2009, and now they take old battles and do commentary over it. I think it's hilarious.
I'll share other programs I like to watch. What about ya'll?

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Moderated General Discussion / Re: Testimonies from Ex-Muslims
« on: April 17, 2018, 06:41:48 PM »
nope you're incorrect. hoarding wealth is indeed encouraged by capitalism. as it magnifies importance of money,  consumption and class hierarchy which in turn breeds generations of people obsessed with shiny things, i.e extreme consumerism and commodity fetishism.
today in our capitalist society we allocate more money to marketing than to alleviating poverty. very irreligious!

Hoarding wealth may be encouraged by Capital-ISTS but it is not a part of Capital-ISM. Not all capitalists are hoarders. Money is indeed quite important. Money has always been important. It is necessary for trade to continue, whether it is gold, silver, paper notes, food or other perishables etc (even in the prison system where items such as new clothing, cigarettes and other items act as money is a perfect example of primal forms of commerce. Not so much in the items but in the fact that there is demand and value for these items, which is capitalist by nature. Perhaps that is a product of a Capitalist society, and if that is the case, then what about prisons in a Communist society? How did they operate? Where inmates co-operative, and were they equally distributing goods among each other? Did the over-seers equally distribute the goods among the inmates and themselves?)

No one is equal and class hierarchy exists on all levels. A free-man is not equal to a slave, a poor-man is not equal to a rich man with regards to their wealth, an ignoramus is not equal to an intellectual, and disbeliever is not equal to a believer etc etc ad infinitum. These are all classes in society with varying levels of hierarchy, authority and the like.

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which in turn breeds generations of people obsessed with shiny things, i.e extreme consumerism and commodity fetishism.

Some people me be obsessed with shiny things like, computers and smartphones, which are probably the shiniest items that all people have. Even in third world countries...As for extreme consumerism, what does this mean? People spending as they please while you have to sit in poverty and watch, sulking misanthropically? Do you feel that a person with abundant wealth owes you money? Or that you [or everyone] should also have the same amount of money [or no money at all]?

Commodity fetishism. Same as Equality fetishism and being fetishistic about Communism. It's a different field. And this goes back to hierarchy, to some degree. Capitalists and Communists are not equal and both argue that they are above the other, creating an elitist outlook on the world. Not everyone wants Communism just like you don't want Capitalism, so, both isms are hierarchical and based on some sort of class system (even if it is ideological).

 
today in our capitalist society we allocate more money to marketing than to alleviating poverty. very irreligious!

The fact that Communist [and Socialist] ideology is steeped in Atheism and that Capitalist ideology (specifically in America) is Secularist is irreligious. As for where money is being allocated, and how it should be allocated is not for you to call. All you can do is spend your money on the poor, which is fine, no one will stop you, neither a Capitalist or a Communist.

Poverty will always exist, especially in a Communist society, assuming everyone [but the State] will be treated equally, that means, either a poor society or an affluent and decadent one. In a Capitalist society, we have both extremes as well, the difference is, anyone from among the poor can rise on the social ladder. It isn't controlled in the same manner that Communist economics would be if surrendered to the people.

I can only imagine that the fantasy of such a society could evoke such longing, but you fail to take into consideration human nature as a factor that will upset your Utopian outlook. Capitalism is not a perfect ideology either, but I would prefer being able to become wealthy based on work and intellect rather than being kept down in what would most likely be minimalist poverty by a society that surrenders its resources to the State for the sake of a false sense of equality.

@marx was right

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Moderated General Discussion / Re: Testimonies from Ex-Muslims
« on: April 17, 2018, 05:21:00 PM »
jesus was a communist.

Reagan Youth is not a source of knowledge.

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Moderated General Discussion / Re: Testimonies from Ex-Muslims
« on: April 17, 2018, 05:17:47 PM »
since when is hoarding wealth at the expense of the rest of society (capitalism) ever been encouraged in religion? usury is especially discouraged. jesus was a communist.

Hoarding is not part of Capitalist doctrine. Hoarding is something people do. A Communist can be a hoarder as well.

Allah, The All-Knower, Says in the Qur'aan in Suraatut Tawbah (The Repentance; Chapter 9), verses 34:

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يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ الْأَحْبَارِ وَالرُّهْبَانِ لَيَأْكُلُونَ أَمْوَالَ النَّاسِ بِالْبَاطِلِ وَيَصُدُّونَ عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ ۗ وَالَّذِينَ يَكْنِزُونَ الذَّهَبَ وَالْفِضَّةَ وَلَا يُنفِقُونَهَا فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ فَبَشِّرْهُم بِعَذَابٍ أَلِيمٍ
O you who believe! Verily, there are many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks who devour the wealth of mankind in falsehood, and hinder (them) from the Way of Allah (i.e. Allah's Religion of Islamic Monotheism). And those who hoard up gold and silver [Al-Kanz: the money, the Zakat of which has not been paid], and spend it not in the Way of Allah, -announce unto them a painful torment.

And in the following verse of the same chapter [9:35]:

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يَوْمَ يُحْمَىٰ عَلَيْهَا فِي نَارِ جَهَنَّمَ فَتُكْوَىٰ بِهَا جِبَاهُهُمْ وَجُنُوبُهُمْ وَظُهُورُهُمْ ۖ هَٰذَا مَا كَنَزْتُمْ لِأَنفُسِكُمْ فَذُوقُوا مَا كُنتُمْ تَكْنِزُونَ
On the Day when that (Al-Kanz: money, gold and silver, etc., the Zakat of which has not been paid) will be heated in the Fire of Hell and with it will be branded their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs, (and it will be said unto them):-"This is the treasure which you hoarded for yourselves. Now taste of what you used to hoard."

Hoarding is one of the practices that is forbidden, but hoarding doesn't reflect the principles of Capitalism. Hoarding reflects the nature of individual(s) engaged in that crime.

As for Usuray, the same applies, as an even greater crime. As Allah Says, in Suraatul Baqarah (The Cow; Chapter 2), verse 275:

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الَّذِينَ يَأْكُلُونَ الرِّبَا لَا يَقُومُونَ إِلَّا كَمَا يَقُومُ الَّذِي يَتَخَبَّطُهُ الشَّيْطَانُ مِنَ الْمَسِّ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ قَالُوا إِنَّمَا الْبَيْعُ مِثْلُ الرِّبَا ۗ وَأَحَلَّ اللَّهُ الْبَيْعَ وَحَرَّمَ الرِّبَا ۚ فَمَن جَاءَهُ مَوْعِظَةٌ مِّن رَّبِّهِ فَانتَهَىٰ فَلَهُ مَا سَلَفَ وَأَمْرُهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ ۖ وَمَنْ عَادَ فَأُولَٰئِكَ أَصْحَابُ النَّارِ ۖ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ
Those who eat Riba (usury) will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaitan (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: "Trading is only like Riba (usury)," whereas Allah has permitted trading and forbidden Riba (usury). So whosoever receives an admonition from his Lord and stops eating Riba (usury) shall not be punished for the past; his case is for Allah (to judge); but whoever returns [to Riba (usury)], such are the dwellers of the Fire - they will abide therein.

I think this addresses your argument head on...

[Qur'aan 2:276]:

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يَمْحَقُ اللَّهُ الرِّبَا وَيُرْبِي الصَّدَقَاتِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ كُلَّ كَفَّارٍ أَثِيمٍ
Allah will destroy Riba (usury) and will give increase for Sadaqat (deeds of charity, alms, etc.) And Allah likes not the disbelievers, sinners.

[Qur'aan 4:161]

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وَأَخْذِهِمُ الرِّبَا وَقَدْ نُهُوا عَنْهُ وَأَكْلِهِمْ أَمْوَالَ النَّاسِ بِالْبَاطِلِ ۚ وَأَعْتَدْنَا لِلْكَافِرِينَ مِنْهُمْ عَذَابًا أَلِيمًا
And their taking of Riba (usury) though they were forbidden from taking it and their devouring of men's substance wrongfully (bribery, etc.). And We have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful torment.

[Qur'aan 5:62]

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وَتَرَىٰ كَثِيرًا مِّنْهُمْ يُسَارِعُونَ فِي الْإِثْمِ وَالْعُدْوَانِ وَأَكْلِهِمُ السُّحْتَ ۚ لَبِئْسَ مَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ
And you see many of them (Jews) hurrying for sin and transgression, and eating illegal things [as bribes and Riba (usury), etc.]. Evil indeed is that which they have been doing.

@marx was right

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General Discussion / Re: The Music thread!
« on: April 17, 2018, 05:04:34 PM »
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I'll smack your face off to the side like Steve Hawking

Nems ft. Sean Price - Silverback [Produced By Hypnotist] - YouTube

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Moderated General Discussion / Re: Testimonies from Ex-Muslims
« on: April 17, 2018, 04:50:52 PM »
@marx was right

I'm curious though, what makes you think that all religions are inherently "anti-Capitalist"?
I find it odd, since the purpose of religion has nothing to do with economics (as primary focus).

None of the Abrahamic religions are anti-Capitalism. You won't find Marxist rhetoric in any Scripture. I can't speak for pagan or occult religions/cults on the matter, but as for the former, where does it state, in the text, that the intended purpose of the religion is anti-Capitalism, and where, if, as you say, it was hijacked [by Capitalists], can one read about how and when it was done?

Have you studied world religions, comparatively, in order to come to that conclusion or are you simply posting Communist propaganda? That is not to say I am against propaganda, but, if you are, you are going about it all wrong. Just saying.

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Moderated General Discussion / Re: Testimonies from Ex-Muslims
« on: April 17, 2018, 04:43:58 PM »
>having a product and selling it for his/her own personal gain

yea i think capitalism is a little more complicated than this  ;D

That is irrelevant. The point was addressing your previous comment:

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all religion is vehemently anti-capitalist but was hijacked by capitalists long ago.

Which is false. Islam is not anti-capitalism, perhaps some of the present practices adopted by capitalists are prohibited but this is neither here or their in regards to the above comment you made.

If anything, Islam is vehemently anti-Communist due to its philosophy, which, by nature, is anti-religion, generally.

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Moderated General Discussion / Re: Raimis waves goodbye.
« on: April 17, 2018, 01:01:56 PM »
@Raimis

Keep your head low, guy.

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Moderated General Discussion / Re: Testimonies from Ex-Muslims
« on: April 17, 2018, 12:59:07 PM »
all religion is vehemently anti-capitalist but was hijacked by capitalists long ago.

Allah, The Most Merciful, Said, in Suraatun Nisaa' (The Women; Chapter 4), verse 29:

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يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَأْكُلُوا أَمْوَالَكُم بَيْنَكُم بِالْبَاطِلِ إِلَّا أَن تَكُونَ تِجَارَةً عَن تَرَاضٍ مِّنكُمْ ۚ وَلَا تَقْتُلُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ بِكُمْ رَحِيمًا
O you who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves unjustly except it be a trade amongst you, by mutual consent. And do not kill yourselves (nor kill one another). Surely, Allah is Most Merciful to you.

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حَدَّثَنَا عَلِيُّ بْنُ عَيَّاشٍ، حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو غَسَّانَ، مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ مُطَرِّفٍ قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمُنْكَدِرِ، عَنْ جَابِرِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ـ رضى الله عنهما ـ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ رَحِمَ اللَّهُ رَجُلاً سَمْحًا إِذَا بَاعَ، وَإِذَا اشْتَرَى، وَإِذَا اقْتَضَى ‏"‏‏.‏
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah: Allah's Messenger (sallallaahu alayihi wasalam) said, "May Allah's mercy be on him who is lenient in his buying, selling, and in demanding back his money."

In Islam, people (private citizens) sell their product to consumers, which is solely for the purpose of profit and to pay the mandatory Zakaat tax (which is redistributed among the poor or disenfranchised). But there is nothing wrong with a Muslim having a product and selling it for his/her own personal gain. The state does not control the earnings of the people except when it comes to the Zakaat tax which is obligatory on every Muslim. As for the dhimmi (non-Muslim under Islamic rule) the only tax they have to pay is the Jizyyah Tax which is for protection during times of war and such by the state, and it is only charged to men who are of military age and are able to fight in war, women, the sick, the elderly and the like are exempt from this tax.

And Allah knows best.
@marx was right

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Moderated General Discussion / Re: Testimonies from Ex-Muslims
« on: April 16, 2018, 09:13:00 PM »
Allah, the Most High, Exalted be He above all the falsehood of the disbelievers, Says, in the Qur'aan, Suraatul 'Ali al-Imraan (Family of Imraan; Chapter 3), verse 72:

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وَقَالَت طَّائِفَةٌ مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ آمِنُوا بِالَّذِي أُنزِلَ عَلَى الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَجْهَ النَّهَارِ وَاكْفُرُوا آخِرَهُ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَرْجِعُونَ
And a party of the people of the Scripture say: "Believe in the morning in that which is revealed to the believers (Muslims), and reject it at the end of the day, so that they may turn back.

People of the Scripture includes the Children of Israel (and subsequently 'Christians', deviated Jews) and the Muslims. So the issue here has been revealed in the Qur'an.

Allah says about these people in Suraatu Tawbah (The Repentance; Chapter 9), verse 32:

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يُرِيدُونَ أَن يُطْفِئُوا نُورَ اللَّهِ بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَيَأْبَى اللَّهُ إِلَّا أَن يُتِمَّ نُورَهُ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْكَافِرُونَ
They (the disbelievers, the Jews and the Christians) want to extinguish Allah's Light (with which Muhammad has been sent - Islamic Monotheism) with their mouths, but Allah will not allow except that His Light should be perfected even though the Kafirun (disbelievers) hate (it).

And [9:33]

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هُوَ الَّذِي أَرْسَلَ رَسُولَهُ بِالْهُدَىٰ وَدِينِ الْحَقِّ لِيُظْهِرَهُ عَلَى الدِّينِ كُلِّهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْمُشْرِكُونَ
It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it).

And in Suraatul Kahf (The Cave; Chapter 18), verse 56:

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وَمَا نُرْسِلُ الْمُرْسَلِينَ إِلَّا مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ ۚ وَيُجَادِلُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِالْبَاطِلِ لِيُدْحِضُوا بِهِ الْحَقَّ ۖ وَاتَّخَذُوا آيَاتِي وَمَا أُنذِرُوا هُزُوًا
And We send not the Messengers except as giver of glad tidings and warners. But those who disbelieve, dispute with false argument, in order to refute the truth thereby. And they treat My Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), and that with which they are warned, as jest and mockery!

I suggest that the OP @BabyShark  spend more time studying before posting individuals who are not known to have knowledge of Islam to the Scholars of Salafiyyah (Qur'aan and Sunnah as was understood by Allah's Messenger sallallaahu alayhi wasalam and his companions radhiyyallaahu anhum), and their students [of knowledge].

*Translations taken from the Muhsin Khan/Hilali translations, as these are the best and closest to the Arabic text.

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