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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: O4L on August 26, 2018, 03:18:59 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/OLK2JyK.gif)
Which goes down in the history books?
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Ok so being the only people left playing means we can write the history books any way we want, but is anyone seriously going to try to assign intellectual property rights over blocking a ct with farms?
IDK about SPB or Nate - no doubt great players or whatever - but I was doing this kind of stuff 20 years ago playing customs and I don't really think it was original then.
This is a bit like trying to copyright a high-5... maybe you called it a "high-5" first, but im pretty sure a couple of neanderthals would have done it at some stage, even if they didn't post it on youtube ;)
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is nate formation the .gif thats shown?
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i wonder if its better to just use the "wall" and maybe double it :o the "easy formation" 8)
flowertower seems most famous
(http://lh3.ggpht.com/-Ys-0RLg0HyE/UdydpASy6PI/AAAAAAAAFbA/aBg6sk_yYg8/01A3.png)
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cool gif! did you find or make that?
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That's the nate formation, its on battle.net website.
http://classic.battle.net/war2/gs/towers.shtml (http://classic.battle.net/war2/gs/towers.shtml)
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oh shit everyone voted for the wrong dude ;D
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That's the nate formation, its on battle.net website.
[url]http://classic.battle.net/war2/gs/towers.shtml[/url] ([url]http://classic.battle.net/war2/gs/towers.shtml[/url])
oh that's awesome! :D
is {Nate} USA-feature or someone else? Who is he? What a legend!
Hes an old dude that played with Shlonglor and the likes on kali in the 90s.
flower tower is better because it reaches all the mining peons :P
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There's another big difference too. In the old days people would pstop unintentionally, put a cannon tower in their base, then send out their whole army to fuck some shit up. Nowadays towers like spb's tower at 2 are there to assist his army when he's on his heels defending or to protect an exp in the late game macro stage so people can't just leave 5 ogres hitting the hall and move on to other stuff.
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Its an extremely inefficient way to defend peons in my opinion. Often it kills peons along with whatever units they send
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When I see an enemy with a flower tower.. I start to salivate because I know I'm about to have 2x as many peons as them
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Seems like you dont recognize its purpose, because like i just said, in the earlier stages it's meant to be backing up fighting units so someone can hold an attack off totally (ie not let grunts in their line at all with any luck, or if any get in there's defending grunts in the mix so peons arent getting attacked, and if any die to splash damage it's minimal). and in later stages, it's meant to prevent set-it-and-forget-it attacks, to keep the base from being flat wiped out without a full squad of ogres+dk. They might get the peons but as long as the ct & hall hold, you've retained that expansion on the map, and can start pumping new peons, even if you didnt have enough ogres to hold off the attack and werent able to get more ogres up there quickly etc
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If you're losing peons, you're losing the game.
There's a reason flower tower isn't used. It costs more than its worth.. And its kinda important to use wise resource management in this game
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it be ok with more fire power ..could stop a foot rush with you pumping the peons and hopefully before a cat comes.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/rh1par.jpg) id went with 2 guards instead of 1 canon..but im getting the feeling this set up is very noob
(http://i64.tinypic.com/vq649d.jpg)
lool for the shit in the pants this one
yeah shit no way hand me a beer
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what building is that
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http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=SPB-&player2=tk%5BAS%5D (http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=SPB-&player2=tk%5BAS%5D)
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(https://i.imgur.com/duqcsWl.png)
war1 sprites ahahha, you use those all the time?
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[url]http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=SPB-&player2=tk%5BAS%5D[/url] ([url]http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=SPB-&player2=tk%5BAS%5D[/url])
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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Spb uses Hardware modification that he admits to. And he's been playing Non-Stop day after day for hours on end every single day. Even with his Hardware modifications I feel pretty confident I can get a winning record on him if I were able to get 8 hours a day for a week or two.
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Dugs and Blid would have just as bad of a record
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There's really only a very small handful of active players that would be spb in a 7 game series right now. Probably less than seven or eight active players
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@ mouse nope accidently opened the wrong folder :p but someday be cool as shit to have a war1 clone(close as u can get) in war2 :P
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There's really only a very small handful of active players that would be spb in a 7 game series right now. Probably less than seven or eight active players
Agreed. Hell I think its about to almost 7-8 that could beat me as well.
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Dugs and Blid would have just as bad of a record
Dugs better than Spb. Blid wouln’t win a bo7 series vs him.
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Dugss losing their series right now 8-6 and they havent played in a year. Spb has jumped a tier in the last year. Wouldnt go well for dugs
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Dugs not a bad player by any means.. But his style is definitely better in 2s.
In 1s vs him, just prepare for repeated tower attempts and hidden expansions.. His style is a lot of misdirection. Fight off the towers then look for whatever he was doing while he was distracting you with the towers.
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I've historically gone like 90% vs Spb. Admittedly that might not be the case now but Spb has always beaten you, even back when I was winning vs him near every time
http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=SpbRu&player2=tk (http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=SpbRu&player2=tk)[AS]
Anyway he was only raised because you said you salivate when you see his flower tower, and anyone who makes a CT to protect their base is losing peons and losing the game, and yet the most prominent user of the flower tower has beaten you 10 times in a row.
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Anyway he was only raised because you said you salivate when you see his flower tower, and anyone who makes a CT to protect their base is losing peons and losing the game, and yet the most prominent user of the flower tower has beaten you 10 times in a row.
To be fair to TK, and you know I mean it because it's pretty obvious I don't go out of my way to be fair to him, that doesn't necessarily mean that tk is wrong about the flower tower being an unwise use of resources in many situations. In fact, I actually kind of agree with tk that spb would probably be better if he didn't lean so heavily on that during the early part of his game, at least in 1v1 play.
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do you salivate and then lose every time? lol
When I see spb do it i kind of roll my eyes but i know exactly why he does it and i know that it can work (for him). Why not just choke up the entrance and save the money? Well i dont know exactly but i do know how spb likes to play, he likes to ensure his survival into the later game and then focus on running expansions. The ct serves him early game if grunts start busting down the door but also im confident he makes it early as part of his long-term plan, in order to have a well-insulated ct that can protect his main late game when he's low-ogre or protecting other expansions etc. If you dont dk it down, even if youre in there with ogres hitting his barracks youll take damage from the ct and he can pop new ogies out. He knows what hes doing
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do you salivate and then lose every time? lol
Well of course not, although back when I used to play 1on1 at least a little I stopped playing him on GOW because it was too easy to beat and no fun, and started playing him on water maps. Either get an early DK as you already suggested or just use the resources he's wasting on the tower and get yourself an early expansion.
Maybe he's better now, but I don't see how it still wouldn't be easy to beat him to lust and get dks if he insists on using early resources to make a cannon tower. It just slows you down way too much in 1v1 play.
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There was a time (probably a good 6-8 years ago) i would go 66%-33% with spb in 1s. But id take breaks, come back and he would beat me good for the first few weeks I came back, but I'd eventually get the upper hand.. Quit war2 again.. Come back and cycle repeat. Spb would be who I played to unrust. And my record has never been a concern of mine so I didn't mind losing 90% of the time for a couple weeks.
Even today I feel confident I could get an edge on him but it would take a lot more effort than it used to.. And that's because he has been using hardware mods in the last year or so.
Won't ever be able to go 66% 33% again tho don't think.
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Everyone acting like they can beat spb in a series.. But nobody playing him?
Prove it if its so simple
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Ill donate $100 to next tournament if blid or dugs can beat spb bo7
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Dugss losing their series right now 8-6 and they havent played in a year. Spb has jumped a tier in the last year. Wouldnt go well for dugs
No he didnt
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What are these "hardware mods" you speak of?
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Dugss losing their series right now 8-6 and they havent played in a year. Spb has jumped a tier in the last year. Wouldnt go well for dugs
No he didnt
Yes he did
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What are these "hardware mods" you speak of?
Keyboard with all of the hotkeys organized specifically for War 2. I'm not sure if he uses double-click or not but I imagine so
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What are these "hardware mods" you speak of?
Keyboard with all of the hotkeys organized specifically for War 2. I'm not sure if he uses double-click or not but I imagine so
What does this mean
I mean you can already hotkey buildings and unit groups within War2 so are you saying like he has keys programmed to do macros like 1p2p3p?
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What are these "hardware mods" you speak of?
Keyboard with all of the hotkeys organized specifically for War 2. I'm not sure if he uses double-click or not but I imagine so
What does this mean
I mean you can already hotkey buildings and unit groups within War2 so are you saying like he has keys programmed to do macros like 1p2p3p?
i think he means this
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/184726412438142976/481094517332639755/SMP4.png)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/184726412438142976/481094554905214986/SMP5.png)
where all the hotkeys are the same for every unit/building & arranged in a 3x3 grid that matches the keyboard layout
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is that really helpful
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im using it, since 2 years, but allready i was winning vs alf,viet etc mby my skill a bit grow up but still i was top..
its funny that i still remember hotkyes bh bb bf etc after not suing them 2 years
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is that really helpful
If one could force themselves to become accustomed to this set of hotkeys and forget the old set then yes that would increase their speed.
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If you're going to make a conscious effort to force-train yourself to do something differently, probably could make a better impact on your game focusing on something other than re-training yourself with new hot keys.
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If you're going to make a conscious effort to force-train yourself to do something differently, probably could make a better impact on your game focusing on something other than re-training yourself with new hot keys.
For me it wasnt hard since i played with qwerasdfzxcv w3 and dota2 almost the same hotkeys