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Title: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 25, 2017, 09:54:08 AM
This guy who has his own YouTube channel has some interesting ideas on why men want casual sex. This is especially because Tora keeps bringing it up as being his preferred modus operandi and this preference warrants further investigation because of how serious a thing it is and how deeply it affects families, individuals, and all of society. Decisions made in thoughtless youth can affect a person for life.

This was an explanation on why men want casual sex that I'd never heard before, and I'm still not sure it's correct, but it's interesting anyways.

Why Men Want Casual Sex - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmp0SWpZOrA#)

I'll add this disclaimer. I do not espouse many of Molyneux's views, but having watched a handful of his videos, I will concede that he does have good, common sense points to make on a variety of subjects. But I disagree with him in many areas, so this is just to share his potentially flawed views on a topic of interest where I feel he has some useful things to say.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 25, 2017, 10:25:54 AM
Why do you care how I view sex?
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 25, 2017, 10:32:45 AM
I care about people in general.

I care about society. I care about people hurting. I care about babies aborted. I care about the women who are hurt and destroyed. I care about the men who are hurt and destroyed. I care about the children that are hurt and destroyed.

I want something better for you than you seem to want for yourself.

I want you to live in a way that will give you fulfillment, love, satisfaction, pride, that will benefit you and all of society.

I want to one day be able to say "Tora is an awesome man, I look up to him. He is a great leader and someone everyone can trust."
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 25, 2017, 10:43:25 AM
I believe you shouldn't try and help people who don't ask for help.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 25, 2017, 10:59:31 AM
I disagree.

Even newborns don't know how to talk to ask for it. Doesn't mean they don't need it.

Seniors who are bedridden and afflicted with dementia also may be unable to ask for help.

It is our duty as human beings to help each other, even if the person in trouble is unable or unwilling to ask.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 25, 2017, 11:17:50 AM
Since your trying to help me I will try and help you.
I believe you have too much free time on your hands, remember "idle hands are the devils playground."

Anyone really trying to help people they have never met and have only corresponded on the internet really needs to find some new hobbies to keep themselves occupied.

I would suggest adding 5-10 more hobbies in your weekly schedule.


http://www.lifehack.org/articles/productivity/20-hobbies-which-will-make-you-more-productive.html (http://www.lifehack.org/articles/productivity/20-hobbies-which-will-make-you-more-productive.html)
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 25, 2017, 07:09:57 PM
Thanks for sharing the list of hobbies. I will come back to that later. :)

I'll start with this one:

I believe you have too much free time on your hands, remember "idle hands are the devils playground."


If we look at the stats, it is evident that your forum time exceeds mine by more than 6 times, with my total forum time sitting at 4 days, 3 hours and 56 minutes and yours being 26 days, 21 hours and 1 minute as of now, as shown in the stats in the links below.

Tora
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=792 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=792)

BabyShark
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=2857 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=2857)

That being said, this is another example where, instead of responding to the topic or the issue at hand with valid, logical points to support your point of view and accompanying behavior, an ad hominem attack is used at another person to deflect from actually discussing the issue.

Now, returning to your hobby list, which is a positive contribution, so thank you for that, I will actually post the hobby ideas directly into the text here because it's actually useful!

1. Cooking - I cooked tacos tonight. :) One of my fave foods in the world!
2. Hiking - I love hiking. There are a great number of trails in my area, and a neighboring city has amazing waterfalls to see, including one as high as Niagara Falls (but with less water).
3. Painting - I have a painting I did hanging above my computer. :)
4. Sculpture - I'm a master at Sculptorades! My team can always guess it correctly!
5. Writing - I'd say writing, which I thoroughly enjoy, is a part of the forum. Great hobby. Good to get the old brain working!
6. Running - I run both on the treadmill and ran after a soccer ball today and had races with my son!
7. Dancing - Not much of a dancer. So here's one X on this list of 20.
8. Yoga - Tried it during the first pregnancy. It had too much of a religious component that isn't congruent with my own religious views, so only went through the one series of classes.
9. Cosplaying - I have to google what this even means. I actually think this would be fun. We should set up a LAN COSPLAY party and all dress up as W2 characters!! Ok, I haven't done this one, unless dressing up as stuff while playing with my kids counts. I'll take another X.
10. Reading - Reading is also involved in using the W2 forum. Besides that, I like to read both non-fiction and fiction. Someone recommended a book called Drive by Daniel Pink, which is in progress. I'm also reading Raising Boys by Design by Gregory Jantz, PhD, and Michael Gurian. In fiction, I enjoy an occasional John Grisham thriller, and am currently partway through the murder mystery The Woman in Cabin 10 by Ruth Ware.
11. Playing video games - I think I have this one covered. ;)
12. Gardening - I have tried gardening, but I SUCK at it. All my plants die. Ok, I did manage to keep a tree alive, a flowering crabapple that I planted in the front yard. And it's only alive because I did absolutely nothing to it ever other than watering and fertilizing it a few times and wrapping the bottom to protect it from rabbits in winter and it just survives.
13. Knitting - I learned how to knit last December. Here are some scarves I made!

(https://i.imgur.com/i4CQ6QJ.jpg)

14. Woodwork - I did some woodwork in school and really enjoyed it. Can't do much of this now because I don't have the workspace or tools, but wood is beautiful to work with. Nothing like the smell of freshly cut lumber!
15. Playing poker - I've played this with my brothers, thankfully without real money involved. I need to stay away from poker involving money since I would lose it all! I take too many risks and bet too much.
16. Acting - I've been in a few plays, in my younger days, and have actually been in a movie, too lol. A small-time production when I was in university. I was told I'm a natural.
17. Amateur radio - I think doing W2 commentaries qualifies. ;)
18. Bodybuilding - That's a bit too manly for me. I'll take an X. In exercise class, I've used small weights, 5 and 8 lbs. But it's more for toning than building bulk. I actually have tried lifting huge weights, since I have a ton of brothers who did it, but not to any degree where I'd say I was significantly involved as to not get an X.
19. Swimming - Swam in a lake a few weeks ago (didn't have swim suit so jumped in with all my clothes!) and in a pool more recently. Swimming is great. I love to be in water.
20. Daydreaming - I have this one covered from here to Tennessee. I have the most beautiful daydreams.

So on your hobby list, 3 of the activities are ones I haven't been involved in. 17/20, not too bad if you ask me. :)

Perhaps you are the one who needs more hobbies and so you subconsciously searched out a hobby list to get you started! It's great to try new things. You never know what you'll experience, what you'll learn, or who you'll meet!
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 26, 2017, 11:14:58 AM
@BabyShark

Women Discuss Being Pro Casual Sex - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PxFnKFFvK4#)
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 26, 2017, 04:44:36 PM
I started to watch this, and I plan to finish watching this when I have more time, possibly tonight. @~ToRa~

I got about 2.5 minutes in, and so far here are some of the things the girls said:

1. Sex is a way to get to know someone better.

2. Sex is the closest thing to magic.

3. Sex is a gift of God.

4. Sex is being vulnerable with someone.

5. Sex is a profound bonding experience.

I wouldn't argue with any of these statements, with the possible exception of number one.

I would say it makes a lot more sense to get to know someone first, before you decide to bond with them physically and emotionally with potential lifelong consequences including shared children, and then yes, continue to get to know them in more deep and intimate ways through the beautiful physical experience known as sex.

None of these statements so far are compatible with treating sex as cheap, easy, and casual, or with treating human beings as disposable objects for the purpose of bolstering one's own ego and procuring a physically pleasurable experience including orgasm.

BONDING means two things sticking together in a permanent way. And yes, the sex experience biologically and hormonally forms an emotional bond from a woman to a man, no matter how much of a scummy slime ball loser he actually is. It doesn't matter if he's an unemployed drug addict with 25 other kids from 25 different females, or if he has the intelligence of an earthworm. Because of this fact, a wise woman will be careful and choosy whom she allows into her heart and into her reproductive tract to become the potential father of her offspring.

And how does a girl with self-respect, who values herself, her body, her future family, throw her most intimate self away to random strangers who have done nothing to prove their worthiness or intention?

Fact is, every sexual partner a woman has, the less likely she is to be in a happy, stable marriage down the road.

It is particularly stupid for women to be sexually promiscuous because it lowers their market value to quality men (faithful men, good providers, intelligent, not promiscuous). A woman's youth and attractiveness lasts only so long. Eventually Ms. Throw-My-Panties-To-Every-Boner will be 30...then 40...women have a shorter shelf life than men do. So for a woman who wants to eventually be in a stable marriage relationship and have children who have a father to provide for them and help nurture them in the picture, for her to reduce her value and desirability and squander her youth on random momentary, fleeting experiences that will deplete her emotionally, physically, mentally is extremely foolish.

You have to look down the road. Where is the road leading?

I read a book written by one of these women (I like to expose myself to other perspectives and viewpoints to broaden my scope) who was now in her 40s and still single, and starting to realize that the marriage and children she assumed would be a part of her life in spite of living a carefree and promiscuous few decades, were starting to slip out of her grasp.

All the single desirable men her own age (employed, intelligent, marriage-minded) are now able to get women much younger than herself. She needed to reach up into the 50's plus age group.

Then she was thinking about freezing her eggs.

It's all a mess. I gtg but I'll continue more later.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 26, 2017, 05:06:26 PM
Can do me a favor.
Don't write such long posts. I don't rarely read posts that long.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 26, 2017, 05:09:38 PM
^^
*I rarely read such long posts because I mainly browse the forum with my iPhone. 
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 27, 2017, 01:22:10 AM
It is particularly stupid for women to be sexually promiscuous because it lowers their market value

Wow...This statement is wrong on so many levels. Women aren't commodities with share prices.

Its 2017 men don't judge women based on how many sexual partners they have had.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 27, 2017, 02:22:02 AM
All the single desirable men her own age (employed, intelligent, marriage-minded) are now able to get women much younger than herself

Men who fit this category are looking for women who are college educated with careers and ambition. Not women with nothing to offer but good looks and chastity.   
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 27, 2017, 03:08:09 AM
Do Women Enjoy Casual Sex More Than Men? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiTbVZujpcA#)
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 29, 2017, 10:06:19 PM
Can do me a favor.
Don't write such long posts. I don't rarely read posts that long.

You wanna set me up with an impossible quest, huh.

I'm supposed to watch a 20 minute video and respond with one sentence?

I'm supposed to watch a 20 minute video, and you don't want to read 2 minutes of text?

You don't want a level playing field.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 29, 2017, 10:17:03 PM
It is particularly stupid for women to be sexually promiscuous because it lowers their market value

Wow...This statement is wrong on so many levels. Women aren't commodities with share prices.

Its 2017 men don't judge women based on how many sexual partners they have had.

You quoted a partial quote.

It is particularly stupid for women to be sexually promiscuous because it lowers their market value to quality men (faithful men, good providers, intelligent, not promiscuous).

That is the complete sentence, and it so happens to be a true sentence. A non-promiscuous man, and I know plenty of them, generally church-goers, want a non-promiscuous woman.

Men do judge women based on how many sexual partners they've had. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If a man is looking for a fleeting experience, then he doesn't care so much what he dips into so long as it's reasonably tight and not overly odiferous or attached to an excessively corpulent broad.

If a man is looking for the woman who will mother his children, he is going to care how she treats and values her body. He wants her to be faithful to him, to know that the children growing in her belly are his. He wants her love and faithfulness to be for him, just as his will be for her.

These people do exist, and in far greater numbers than Hollywood wants you to believe.




Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 29, 2017, 10:30:21 PM
All the single desirable men her own age (employed, intelligent, marriage-minded) are now able to get women much younger than herself

Men who fit this category are looking for women who are college educated with careers and ambition. Not women with nothing to offer but good looks and chastity.   


Not to shock you or anything, but...good-looking, chaste women do occasionally go to college and have ambition. Imagine that.

But let's say a man who wants to have a wife and children has to choose between an unattractive college-educated career-woman and a beautiful virgin who has only finished high school...I can tell you an overwhelming majority of men will choose the second.

Physical attractiveness in a female is very important to men. This is just common knowledge. Beauty is not necessarily empty beauty, but could be the result of healthy eating, exercise, good hygiene, and rejecting things like drugs/smoking that can wreak havoc on health, showing wisdom, self-control, hard work, determination, ability to stand up to peer pressure, etc. and chastity is not empty either, especially in a world where the cultural pressure is to mate thoughtlessly like animals and give no thought to the future. Chastity shows self-respect, self-control, wisdom, prudence, love and concern for future spouse and children, concern for society and people in general, and a high value on sexuality.

Add to that the sad fact that most universities are feminist-brainwashing centres that teach women that allowing men to be leaders is a horrid aberration, that children are a drag, that the domestic life of taking care of husband and children is some radical kind of abuse, and that a woman's worth comes from her ability to earn money.

Whether men know it or not, they want a woman who will surrender and submit to him, allow him to lead. A woman less brainwashed with anti-male and anti-family sentiment will have her feminine nature less dishevelled.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 29, 2017, 10:40:50 PM
You didn't rebutt any of the points I made about the negatives of casual sex.

You posted a video "Do Women Enjoy Casual Sex More Than Men?"

I'm not about to say that casual sex can't feel good at the time, or that the two people can't be enjoying a delicious romp like wild animals.

"But it felt good" isn't a particularly smart reason to do things, especially things of such importance as mating, sex, and relationships.

I gather that you plan for your future financially. You put aside money, spend responsibly, don't spend more than you have, don't rack up huge debts, because you are thinking about the future.

I imagine that you plan for your future physically. You eat don't binge on donuts, cookies, candy, soda, chips, and never move your bones because watching TV is more fun. You put effort and into your health, because you know it's the body you'll live with for the rest of your life, and you'd like that to be as long as possible.

Why should you, in the sexual realm, live for the passing moment?

That would be like buying everything you want on a credit card with money you don't have and binging on junk food and McDonald's every day "because it feels good."

Besides, in terms of "feeling good", according to scientific studies, those who love each other experience more pleasure in sex than those engaging in "casual" sex.

Sex is designed for reproduction. Barring this process through physical or chemical methods is anti-sex. Those who block out the creative process of full natural sex, as is typical of couples not in committed long-term relationships, are the ones who are afraid of nature.

Sex is designed to be intimate and pleasurable. Those who love each other experience more intimacy and pleasure in sex. (here are the findings of one study https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140819125944.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140819125944.htm))
Those who want to separate sex from love experience less pleasure, thus if anyone is anti-sex, it's the anti-pleasure crowd.

Sex is designed to bond a husband and wife together and strengthen and build the relationship. The hormone oxytocin in women and men and vasopressin in men, serve to bond a couple together in such a way that they are physically and emotionally going to desire exclusively the romantic partner and be uninterested in other members of the opposite sex. We can't deny the scientific facts that are revealed by studying our biology and behaviour patterns. Thus if anyone is anti-sex, it's the anti-bonding crowd.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 30, 2017, 02:01:04 AM
Excuse me, you posted a video which was over an hour in length and your complaining about my 20min vid?
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 30, 2017, 02:11:56 AM
That is the complete sentence, and it so happens to be a true sentence. A non-promiscuous man, and I know plenty of them, generally church-goers, want a non-promiscuous woman.

So your saying the only good men are religious men?

Men do judge women based on how many sexual partners they've had. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. If a man is looking for a fleeting experience, then he doesn't care so much what he dips into so long as it's reasonably tight and not overly odiferous or attached to an excessively corpulent broad.

Your not right, most men don't care how many sexual partners a women has had. In truth it is women themselves that care how many sexual partners other women have had. It is a well known fact women are more critical of other women than men are.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 30, 2017, 02:17:17 AM
If a man is looking for the woman who will mother his children, he is going to care how she treats and values her body. He wants her to be faithful to him, to know that the children growing in her belly are his. He wants her love and faithfulness to be for him, just as his will be for her.

If a man is looking for a wife then obviously they would want them to faithful to them. However most men aren't going to care how many sexual partners they have had up to the point they met them. Provided they remain faithful to them while they are dating.

But once again not every man is looking to get married and not every women is looking to get married. Hence why many men and women prefer casual sex.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 30, 2017, 02:29:47 AM
Not to shock you or anything, but...good-looking, chaste women do occasionally go to college and have ambition. Imagine that.

Women who go to college usually come out of their shell and are more open sexually. Well known fact.

But let's say a man who wants to have a wife and children has to choose between an unattractive college-educated career-woman and a beautiful virgin who has only finished high school...I can tell you an overwhelming majority of men will choose the second.

Haha, I would say women who are virgins thru out college are in most cases not very attractive. Because obviously they didn't get much attention if they really never lost it in college.

You didn't rebutt any of the points I made about the negatives of casual sex.

Your clearly are living in a different world than I am. I posted the videos that I did to show you that it's not just men that prefer "casual sex" but also women. Since you insinuated in your opening post there is something wrong with men that enjoy "casual sex."
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 30, 2017, 02:47:26 AM
^^Here is my closing statement.

I don't view sex as a very something that attaches me to someone else. Furthermore many women don't view sex as something that attaches them to someone else. Sex really isnt that big a deal to me.
For me sex is something I do with someone because I like said person and would like to get to know them better. However just because I had sex with a particular women doesn't mean im somehow indebted to them because they shared an experience with me.
And as I've already shown you there are many women who share my viewpoints.

Also FYI ill tell you most universities teach women to be independent and not reliant on men for there financial success.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 30, 2017, 08:23:47 AM
Excuse me, you posted a video which was over an hour in length and your complaining about my 20min vid?

My objection was not about the length of the video. It was your statement:

Can do me a favor.
Don't write such long posts. I don't rarely read posts that long.

You can't properly respond to a 20 minute video in one sentence. It was not a complaint about the length of the video. It was a complaint about the shortness of reply you could handle.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 30, 2017, 08:33:22 AM
So your saying the only good men are religious men?


I will post some of the traits Christian men are expected to have, taken from http://sheismore.com/the-husband-list-12-non-negotiables/: (http://sheismore.com/the-husband-list-12-non-negotiables/:)

1. He is a practicing believer.

“Do not be yoked together with an unbeliever…For what agreement is there between the temple of God and idols?” 2 Corinthians 6:14-16. Issues and conflict are bound to rise in marriage, so it is crucial that there is a common foundation on which to hold the marriage accountable. The last thing you want to be fighting about is your faith, whether or not to pray and your viewpoints on religion. Believe me, I’ve been there before. It is exhausting.

2. God is the center of his life.

He seeks God’s wisdom in all the decisions he makes.
“With wisdom are riches and honor, enduring wealth and prosperity. My fruit is better than fine gold; what I yield surpasses choice silver.” Proverbs 8:18-19

3. He has integrity and does not put himself in tempting situations.

He guards you against harm and protects the relationship. “Keep to a path far from evil, do not go near the door of that house, lest you give your best strength to others.” Proverbs 5:8-9

4. Seeks mentorship and counsel.

It is important that your man is wise in realizing he can’t carry the weight of the world on his shoulders. When he is surrounded by men who are older than him who can offer advice, prayer and mentorship, he can be a better husband to you. “The way of fools seems right to them, but the wise listen to advice.” Proverbs 12:15

5. He is slow to anger.

There is peace in knowing your man holds an even temperament even when he is provoked. A man who allows his feelings, emotions and anger to determine his actions typically has tarnished relationships and is not a healthy place for you or a family. “A hot-tempered person stirs up conflict, but the one who is patient calms a quarrel.” Proverbs 15:18

6. He holds strong conviction on the sacredness of fidelity.

A man is wise when he understand that infidelity and looking for pleasure outside of the marriage only brings strife. God actually calls him to rejoice over you all of his days. “May your fountain be blessed and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth…May you be ever captivated by her love. Why be captivated, my son, by an adulteress?” Proverbs 5:18-20.

7. He is honorable of your heart and emotional well-being.

I hated when a guy I was dating exposed my embarrassing moments or the private matters of our relationship with his friends. Picking on you may seem cute and funny at first, but it will get old after a while. You should feel honored and safe knowing you can always trust your husband to cover and speak well of you. “Let them be yours alone, never to be shared with strangers,” Proverbs 5:17.
“Love each other deeply because love covers all wrongs.” 1 Peter 4:8.

8. He is disciplined in living a life of integrity.

Watch how he handles temptation or sticky situations that test his character. Does he choose to do what’s right even when no one is watching? It is imperative to observe these things because it will indicate if you can trust his decision making. When you’re married, almost all of his decisions impact you. “He will die for lack of discipline, led astray by his own great folly.” Proverbs 5:23

9. Has solid work ethic.

“A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest- and poverty will come upon you like a thief and scarcity like an armed man.” Proverbs 6:10-11.

10. He pursues and loves you passionately.

The man you marry should make you feel loved like you’ve never felt before. Safe, accepted, desired, nurtured, protected and comforted. Jesus loves us deeply, he loves us so fiercely, that he willingly gave up his life to save us.
Pursues: “So Jacob worked seven years to pay for Rachel. But his love for her was so strong that it seemed to him but a few days.” Genesis 29:20.
Loves: “Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.” Ephesians 5:25.

11. Romances you.

I know women who feel guilty or wrong for desiring romance in their relationship, as if they don’t deserve it. But God desires for your heart to be romanced, just as He longs to romance us. “Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth— for your love is more delightful than wine.” Song of Solomon 1:2
“Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame.” Song of Solomon 8:6.

12. He is humble and can admit when he is wrong.

There is nothing worse than a petty conflict blowing out of proportion because your partner refuses to admit they were wrong. Taking responsibility for his actions and apologizing for his mistakes is the sign of a real man. “Pride comes before destruction, and an arrogant spirit before a fall.” Proverbs 16:18
No person will be perfect and grace is a beautiful thing that makes relationships flourish. That being said, this list for single ladies is to give a basic framework of character traits to look for or recognize whether or not there is desire for growth. Of course, use common sense when someone amazing walks in to your life but wasn’t exactly what you dreamed up. God surprises us, but always gives us what we need.
“For I feel a divine jealousy for you, since I betrothed you to one husband…” 2 Corinthians 11:2.
Ultimately, your divine Father wants you to be treated in a way that it is compared with how Christ cares for us. It is up to us though to believe we are worthy, set the standard, and have the faith that God works in perfect timing to introduce you to your husband.

End of quotes taken from http://sheismore.com/the-husband-list-12-non-negotiables/ (http://sheismore.com/the-husband-list-12-non-negotiables/) on traits of a godly man for Christian women to look for in a potential husband.

I think the above are good traits. Which of them would you argue against?
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 30, 2017, 08:42:08 AM
Your not right, most men don't care how many sexual partners a women has had. In truth it is women themselves that care how many sexual partners other women have had. It is a well known fact women are more critical of other women than men are.


Well, the guy who wrote this article http://marriedmansexlife.com/2010/03/10-critical-things-in-how-to-choose-a-wife/ (http://marriedmansexlife.com/2010/03/10-critical-things-in-how-to-choose-a-wife/) and the men who commented on it show that men DO care how many women their wife has slept with.

I'll quote #6 on the list of desired traits:

6. Virgin. You heard me. The fewer sexual partners a woman has before marriage the higher her marital satisfaction and the sexual satisfaction she has within marriage. You very much want your wife to sexually imprint on sex with you and completely bond to you. The sex is just going to be that much better over the long term. Not to mention no other ex-lovers lurking on Facebook, sexual diseases, bad experiences and regrets to worry about. The harsh truth to the modern hook up girl is that yes indeed every time you sleep with another man, you damage your long term wife potential. Plus the best predicator of future behavior is past behavior and highly promiscuous women before marriage are probably far more likely to cheat on you during marriage.
For the record I also believe the man should ideally be a virgin too. I say this not from a current religious perspective – in my teens and early 20’s I was an evangelical Christian but am a quite firm atheist now – but simply from the perspective that while this was horribly hard in my time before Jennifer, the sexual payoff and trust between us is outstandingly good and on balance a significant part of our current happiness. I am laid like tile and have been for 15 years now.  However I will not lie and say it was anything other than torture at the time though.

A commenter:

Today's pretty, young, American women (7s and up, maybe even 6s) would have to be total prudes, or very religious, or extremely picky in some way, to make it into their 20s as virgins.

I would restate it as:
6. No history of casual sex.

Stated that way, I couldn't agree more.

Another commenter:

The basic princple though is be as first for each other as you can be. There is a commitment to the idea of marriage you hope to see before hand.

Another commenter:

 Broken home, promiscuity, aimless, etc.; these are all things that should give a guy pause.

Another commenter:


Let's not forget the author prefaced his list with the goal of finding a life partner and raising a passel of kids. While YOUNG. It's a great list, although not particularily well suited for the "modern woman" who is mostly interested in career and casual sex during her 20's and 30's.

THAT woman is largely unmarriable by 30 to any but the most desperate and beta man. It may not be fair, but it is a reality. Sorry ladies, but just sniffing "double standard, unfair" dosen't make it any less true.


Another commenter:



Yes, only marry a virgin, if you want a woman who will be able to bond with you.

And by virgin, I mean no sexual contact of any kind with anybody. (For you sluts out there, that means no blow jobs, or anal sex or sticking your tongue in some girls cunt.)

If you won't buy a used mattress, why would you accept a used woman?

And for all the women who whine that men are not being penalized for casual sex: 1)why that is so is explained on most blogs for men, and 2) why don't you raise your standards?

(And by raising your standards, I don't mean becoming the 50th ho of a bigger thug.)


End of quoted comments.

There are many more examples everywhere that can be found, an endless supply basically, but here is enough to show you that YES, absolutely a man cares about how many women his wife has been with before him.

Now those men who have been promiscuous feel they are being hypocritical if they expect a woman to be a virgin, but that wouldn't be an issue if he also were to keep himself pure for his future wife. Everybody wins.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 30, 2017, 08:49:28 AM
Women who go to college usually come out of their shell and are more open sexually. Well known fact.

Colleges have, like I said, become secular, liberal brainwashing stations that are anti-children, anti-family, anti-marriage, anti-Christian.

They didn't start out that way, though. Harvard was named after a Christian minister. Many universities in America were started by Christians as Christian educational centers. As universities abandon their Christian roots, they become corrupt and misguided, which has happened.

You now have classes where the students are required as part of the class to tell their sex fantasies to the teacher. Very educational! Errr perverted, sick, and wrong.

https://www.lehmiller.com/blog/2012/7/9/have-some-human-sexuality-courses-crossed-the-line.html (https://www.lehmiller.com/blog/2012/7/9/have-some-human-sexuality-courses-crossed-the-line.html)
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 30, 2017, 08:51:17 AM
Too off topic now. Your delving too deep into religion im done.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 30, 2017, 08:56:13 AM
Haha, I would say women who are virgins thru out college are in most cases not very attractive. Because obviously they didn't get much attention if they really never lost it in college.


To assume that a woman maintains her virginity only because no one wanted it is ludicrous. I've seen some pretty unattractive women with babies, so I don't buy that any woman who wanted couldn't find some horny dick to penetrate her.

What No One Is Saying About Saving Yourself for Marriage - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTaaRrN_cGk#)

The Truth about waiting to have Sex till Marriage | India Batson - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mbuMMICIlM#)

WAITING TILL MARRIAGE, FIRST KISSES | HONEST Q&A - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxwf6fZfbIo#)

I think these virgin-til-married girls are beautiful, and their choice to wait for marriage makes them even more so.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 30, 2017, 08:59:10 AM
Too off topic now. Your delving too deep into religion im done.

You were the one that asked if the only good men are religious men.

We do live in the real world where real people have real religions and real opinions.

What is it about talking about religion or other points of view that scares you, Tora?
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 30, 2017, 09:15:36 AM
^^FYI if you have a problem with the lewdness of forums and gaming servers based off your religious beliefs you probably should avoid them. Since its probably not very "christan" to be spending lots of time on them.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 30, 2017, 10:37:08 AM
1. You still haven't addressed any of the problems with casual sex.

2. If you, as one of the leaders in the community, find the forums and server lewd and disgusting and toxic, then why are you not advocating for clean-up? Why are you not working to better them if you see a problem?

3. Can you elaborate a little bit on your opinion/question about Christians playing games, reading forums, and communicating with people who have different views? If you can convince me from the Bible that Christians should not play games, should not read forums, or should not talk to people who have other views, by all means, I will fall in line.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 30, 2017, 10:51:24 AM
I see no problems with having casual sex.

The forums and the server are toxic ive accepted that as have the other admins.

No I can't because you seem very childish and im uninterested in having a religious discussion with you.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 30, 2017, 12:04:38 PM
Childish attitudes include:

I want it, I want it now, and I want it no matter what! (Which summarizes your views on fornicating)

Everyone who disagrees with me should just go away!

No! I won't read it! I won't listen! I don't want to hear it!

Resorting to name calling and personal attacks in the absence of logical rebuttals to valid truths (ie. Virgins must be ugly and uneducated! You're childish! Etc.)

If I were truly childish (and I sure do have a silly side that is admittedly prone to goofiness)...that would be a sad testimony against your ability to support your point of view, that you can't even debate a childish person successfully.

Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 31, 2017, 12:59:26 AM
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 31, 2017, 01:30:11 AM
Wow, complete topic change. Okay then. Islam it is.

You won't believe how Muslims really treat their women - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8vxuxWqrVQ#) One young Muslim girl stands against a group of vile men who suggest she should be strung up by her neck because her face is showing and she is out of the house without being accompanied.

You won't believe how Muslims really treat their women - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8vxuxWqrVQ#) Men marrying children and raping them, child brides dying in labor

7 Times Ayaan Hirsi Ali Went Beast Mode - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqS2mMBD5DU#) An ex-Muslim woman named Ayaan Hirsi Ali got an education and became a critic of Islam, writing a book, Infidel, and fights against forced marriage, child marriage, "honor" violence, and female genital mutilation.

Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 31, 2017, 01:36:18 AM
Muslim Child-Brides Dying In Child Birth - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79AYKl4taJ8#)

Oops. Second link was the wrong one (same as first).

Here is the child brides dying in labor after being forced to "marry" adult men and being raped by them.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 31, 2017, 01:37:30 AM
Child Brides Now Legally Acceptable in the UK - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCNpTSp2KiA#)

Child brides entering UK
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 31, 2017, 01:41:49 AM
11 Year Old Child Bride Speaks About Evil Islam, Murdered After - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8E601ydP6s#)

Child bride victim runs away from rape/abuse situation and speaks out against Islam and being forced to marry adults as children. She is murdered for her bravery.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 31, 2017, 06:59:17 AM
Your bible isnt the same book that Jesus brought. Its been changed thruout history what you are following isn't the word of god.



When you think about it, do you really believe Jesus used to sing and dance in the church.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on October 31, 2017, 07:43:50 AM
On the contrary, the Bible's accuracy has been preserved remarkably well over thousands of years.

http://www.alwaysbeready.com/bible-evidence?id=93 (http://www.alwaysbeready.com/bible-evidence?id=93)

The Bible does not mention Jesus dancing in church but it does mention Him singing. (Matthew  26:30, Mark 14:26, Hebrews 2:12)

Singing is not an abomination.

Raping children is.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 31, 2017, 08:00:23 AM
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 31, 2017, 08:02:43 AM
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 31, 2017, 08:04:50 AM
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on November 03, 2017, 11:47:52 PM
Your method appears to be keep changing the topic so fast that everyone forgets that you had nothing concrete to say to support your views on any one topic.

Casual sex is the thread topic, and a little meandering is fine, but you've now posted 4 random-topic videos back to back that have pretty well nothing to do with casual sex. You also neglected to comment on any of the videos to make it clear why you were including it, so I'll have to connect the dots myself, it appears. Your response is so sloppy and uninformed that replying truly feels quite futile at this point, since you seem unable to either stick to one topic or to provide valid arguments in any area.

Your 4 videos:

1. A video apparently promoting Islam (a child-raping Satanic religion)
2. Catholicism (and the Satanic child-raping abuses that happen by leaders of this perverse religion)
3. A video trying to make the Bible appear unreliable
4. Some nut doing some horrendous rap dance in what is supposed to be a church

None of these have anything to do with casual sex. Raping children is not casual sex. It's a vile abomination, the practioners of which deserve extended torture followed by execution. Casual sex is consensual sex between adults.

I'll do a little summary chart to show a comparison of the points made so far.

Reasons Not to Have Casual Sex

1. Chlamydia, Gonhorrea, Hepatitis A, B, and C, Herpes, HIV, AIDS, HPV, Intestinal Parasites, PID, Crabs, Scabies, Syphylis, Trichomoniasis, and others

2. You may end up having children with a horrible person who will be a horrible influence on your children (potentially a child abuser or pedophile or more commonly, just entirely uninterested in the child, which will cause lasting harm on your child's wellbeing)

3. You're ruining your chances of ending up happily married in the future more and more each time you get used. If you're a man, you're ruining and destroying the life of someone's daughter. If you're a woman, you're looking like an easy dirty whore to men who may have once considered you a potential wife. Women are looking for love and you know it. If they are desperate enough to give themselves to strangers who don't give a crap about them, they are broken and emotionally damaged and even more in need of love, which they won't find from a casual sex partner, which will leave them even more broken and depressed afterwards.

4. The nice feeling of being wanted and feeling fun and sexy quickly evaporates when the sex partner puts their clothes back on and walks out. You're still alone, and now a piece of you is gone.

5. Someone will normally want more than the other person. One person will be the first person to be "done", leaving the other feeling rejected, and looking for validation with a new partner. Forgetting that people are human beings instead of disposable diapers is causing great harm to individuals and society, as people become more cynical of love, marriage, commitment, family, which for centuries have been the greatest source of companionship and pleasure for our race. People are losing their ability to become good spouses, losing the ability to love another person in an endless quest to find someone perfect (doesn't exist) who will serve one's own pleasure and ego, losing the ability to be faithful because they are accustomed to "variety" when we are designed for lifelong monogamy.

6. People engaging in casual sex experience less pleasure than married couples who know each other's bodies and love each other, and are genuinely concerned with pleasing each other instead of just serving one's own need and puffing up one's own ego, unconcerned about the heart, mind, and future of the sex partner. It is common for women engaging in casual sex to fake orgasms just to make it end because it has gotten uncomfortable. http://healthland.time.com/2013/11/11/no-satisfaction-woman-are-less-likely-to-orgasm-during-casual-sex/ (http://healthland.time.com/2013/11/11/no-satisfaction-woman-are-less-likely-to-orgasm-during-casual-sex/)
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140819125944.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/08/140819125944.htm)

7. It's a temporary fix for inner emptiness. You're looking for something. If you found it with a girl, if you found something worth finding with her, you wouldn't throw her aside and move along. You would keep finding it with the girl if it was really good. But mating with strangers is a sure-fire way to ruin a potential relationship, because you're both showing how little you care about yourselves and each other, about purity, about your kids, about passing on diseases, about hurting each other, about anything other than yourself and your moment of pleasure to make yourself feel better right now. No one wants to be the one to "care" or to feel hurt and rejected, so no matter what each might feel or want, both act very aloof, indifferent, and detached following the act where each acted so interested and concerned just moments before. It's fake. And you both know it.

8. Ruins the friendship if there was one previously.

9. You become desensitized. Instead of enjoying the full course meal inside the restaurant, the one that's been prepared with thought and care, the one that's warm and hot and inviting, nutritious and healthy, with people you care about around a table with conversation and connecting and laughter, you're digging through the dumpster for cold, dry discarded remains. A little of the flavor and nutrition is still there, but you don't know whose saliva and germs are all over it, or where it's been or for how long, or if there are insect eggs or maggots in there...and you're trying to convince yourself you're doing better than the people who paid to get their own fresh meal.

Why would someone who can get a beautiful woman to himself, to love him and commit to him, be satisfied with someone else's dirty leftovers?

10. You're fighting nature all the way. Fighting the natural production of children which belong in a committed marriage relationship, but are out of place between strangers, with condoms, pills, IUD's, implants, and injections, many of which have severe and sometimes permanent health consequences for women, including permanent infertility. Fighting the natural bonding that happens hormonally emotionally with the physical intimacy and pleasure of sexual intercourse. There are instructions for "how to keep your feelings from getting in the way" because that's what naturally happens, and people are fighting it and pretending it doesn't happen, calcifying their hearts against humanity.

Reasons to Have Casual Sex

1. Low effort instead of spending money, effort, time getting to know someone, paying for and planning dates, acting like a decent human being (this enables people not to grow up or be challenged, but able to remain lazy, self-absorbed, impatient, unhealthy, unforgiving, rude, mean, rotten, impulsive, dishonest, etc. because being in a long-term relationship forces you to work on yourself and grow up)

2. It feels good, feeling that someone wants you, feeling sexy, feeling human touch and orgasm (but it doesn't feel AS good as committed sex, and it won't feel good AFTER when you're alone again)


I'd say the balance is toppling so heavily over to the side of NOT having casual sex, that it's basically insane that society has so wholeheartedly run down the broken, dead-end path of treating human beings as disposable and sexuality as a trivial plaything instead of the beautiful, sacred, amazing gift of God that it is, intended for our lifelong pleasure and enjoyment with a person who knows all about us and loves us anyway, no matter what. The breakdown of rejecting wholeness, love, family, marriage is all around us. Broken families and hurting, lonely, bitter people are everywhere.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 04, 2017, 12:44:05 AM
I requested you already not to write such long posts because I rarely if ever read such long posts.

You made this thread targeting me and my personal views, you really believe I care what someone on a forum I have never met or spoken to thinks of me?
Babyshark please go to college and get an education a job and a life.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on November 04, 2017, 01:59:06 AM
Yet again, you have nothing to add to the topic being discussed, and in your frustration, lash out with personal attacks.

You are the one lacking ability to defend the point of view you want to defend. Perhaps it is you who should pursue further education.

It has already been shown that your time on the forum exceeds mine by more than 6 times, so if forum use is a sign of "lack of life", then yours is lacking over 6 times more.

I currently happen to enjoy the W2 forum, and if you don't, maybe you're the one that should go find alternate activities. Not to mention, the forum you supposedly enjoy since ur on it 24/7, and as an admin have interest in promoting, is a million times more active when I'm on it. When I haven't been posting, it's pretty dead and lifeless outside of "Official Complaints" and "Is Xxxx the worst person ever?", "The admins are killing this game, the server is dead" complaints, and endless posts of links/videos that no one reads or watches by the same few people.

It's interesting that NO terrible behavior, fighting, name-calling, the "toxicity" you mentioned, garners nearly as much Tora-hate as respectfully sharing a different point of view.

I already have plenty of activities. 17/20 on your lovely hobby list I've already done, and way more that aren't even mentioned. :)

The only reason you're trying to sink your teeth into me is because you're angry and frustrated because you're faced with a force you can't throw money or insults at to control.

You want to destroy me because you don't like being made aware of what you are, and now when you look in the mirror, you feel empty and sick.

You don't need to keep living the way you are.

I want what's good for you and good for society. You see me as your enemy, but I've done nothing here but share a different point of view.






Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 04, 2017, 06:25:12 AM
Babyshark ive done more for this community than you have ever done or ever will do. Make a poll I can assure you you are much lower on the popularity poll than I am. I'm also certain your probably not very attractive or educated.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on November 04, 2017, 09:18:48 AM
Make the poll. Add stakes. Loser leaves forums permanently starting at a set date, such as January 1st.

Rule is, no one to whom either of us have ever given money is allowed to vote for the person that gave them money.

You need to spend some time educating yourself on making a decent argument.

Read up on your methods here:

Personal attacks on the character of the other person that are completely irrelevant to the argument (Ad hominem)
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/1/Ad-Hominem-Abusive (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/1/Ad-Hominem-Abusive)

Attempted topic change in an attempt to abandon the original argument (Red herring)
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/150/Red-Herring (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/150/Red-Herring)

I've seen your picture, but I'm not going to stoop to your level by commenting on it honestly.
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 04, 2017, 09:28:31 AM
This guy who has his own YouTube channel has some interesting ideas on why men want casual sex. This is especially because Tora keeps bringing it up as being his preferred modus operandi and this preference warrants further investigation because of how serious a thing it is and how deeply it affects families, individuals, and all of society. Decisions made in thoughtless youth can affect a person for life.

This was an explanation on why men want casual sex that I'd never heard before, and I'm still not sure it's correct, but it's interesting anyways.

Why Men Want Casual Sex - YouTube ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmp0SWpZOrA#[/url])

I'll add this disclaimer. I do not espouse many of Molyneux's views, but having watched a handful of his videos, I will concede that he does have good, common sense points to make on a variety of subjects. But I disagree with him in many areas, so this is just to share his potentially flawed views on a topic of interest where I feel he has some useful things to say.


Lady you started a thread with my name on in the opening post and the posted a hour long vid. Your really going to sit there and say you didn't start this whole thing? What is your problem exactly?
Title: Re: Why Men Want Casual Sex
Post by: LiveFreeorDie on November 04, 2017, 09:43:05 AM
Casual sex is destroying lives and destroying society.

More children than ever are born to unmarried parents. Many people aren't getting married anymore, and people that do get married are no longer able to stay married.

Look at all the many statistics showing how powerfully a child's upbringing impacts their lives here:

https://www.yourazlawfirm.com/40-facts-two-parent-families/ (https://www.yourazlawfirm.com/40-facts-two-parent-families/)

I don't want this brokenness for you, for your children, or for society!

This isn't personal. In spite of your many personal attacks and poor and unfair treatment of me, I have nothing against you. I don't want to hurt you. I want what's good for you.

Many people have never learned about the facts and statistics of the behaviors they have seen modelled in real life or on TV, to open their eyes to the risks and dangers of casual sex.

I know that learning that you're helping to ruin the life and future of a girl who's desperately looking for the same love and validation you are will detract from your ability to enjoy her physically when you have no intention to father a child with her that is ALWAYS a potential result of that intimate union.

Human beings want to be known, to be wanted, and want to be loved. You're no exception. The "I'm-above-caring" that men like to portray is a facade. I've seen behind so many men, just talking to people on W2, even. When they let their guard down, you see that they are just people with feelings, vulnerabilities, fears, hopes, disappointments, like everyone else.

We're all humans together and life is better for everyone when we treat each other with common decency instead of ripping each other down all the time.