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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: GaNzTheLegend on July 15, 2015, 07:50:49 PM
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Should have been made an admin long ago imo.
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Yes!
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honestly don't know enough about him. i know of a lot of shady shit he has done in the past but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad candidate for admin.
pretty much anyone who can make logical responsible decisions without getting emotionally attached to those decisions is a good candidate.. it's just hard to know for sure until they're actually put into that role
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honestly don't know enough about him. i know of a lot of shady shit he has done in the past but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad candidate for admin.
pretty much anyone who can make logical responsible decisions without getting emotionally attached to those decisions is a good candidate.. it's just hard to know for sure until they're actually put into that role
so how did you make admin then?
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honestly don't know enough about him. i know of a lot of shady shit he has done in the past but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad candidate for admin.
pretty much anyone who can make logical responsible decisions without getting emotionally attached to those decisions is a good candidate.. it's just hard to know for sure until they're actually put into that role
so how did you make admin then?
Not going mental on the forums would be a start [emoji3]
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honestly don't know enough about him. i know of a lot of shady shit he has done in the past but that doesn't necessarily make him a bad candidate for admin.
pretty much anyone who can make logical responsible decisions without getting emotionally attached to those decisions is a good candidate.. it's just hard to know for sure until they're actually put into that role
so how did you make admin then?
i handed out free BJ's to the war2 council
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Try not to blur the lines between what is required of an Admin vs a Developer. He would make a good developer. But as admin, I just dont think he has the emotional restraint to be an administrator. If this were for Developer, then I'd say yes. If it were for a MODERATOR, I'd say yes as well BUT with a caveat that it's a shaky yes. He cant really do to much damage as a moderator if he lost his mind like he could do as an administrator. Change the poll to Moderator, and I'd hit the yes button to see how he handles it for a 6 month period. Besides, war2 need moderators. Not all powerful administrators.
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You should stop post lance is became more then ridiculous every time.
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You should stop post lance is became more then ridiculous every time.
Oh EQ [emoji23] just shut up.
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Try not to blur the lines between what is required of an Admin vs a Developer. He would make a good developer. But as admin, I just dont think he has the emotional restraint to be an administrator. If this were for Developer, then I'd say yes. If it were for a MODERATOR, I'd say yes as well BUT with a caveat that it's a shaky yes. He cant really do to much damage as a moderator if he lost his mind like he could do as an administrator. Change the poll to Moderator, and I'd hit the yes button to see how he handles it for a 6 month period. Besides, war2 need moderators. Not all powerful administrators.
I don't really know what the difference is between admin/mod on this server I never even knew there was a mod position and thought they were all admins.
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Try not to blur the lines between what is required of an Admin vs a Developer. He would make a good developer. But as admin, I just dont think he has the emotional restraint to be an administrator. If this were for Developer, then I'd say yes. If it were for a MODERATOR, I'd say yes as well BUT with a caveat that it's a shaky yes. He cant really do to much damage as a moderator if he lost his mind like he could do as an administrator. Change the poll to Moderator, and I'd hit the yes button to see how he handles it for a 6 month period. Besides, war2 need moderators. Not all powerful administrators.
I don't really know what the difference is between admin/mod on this server I thought they were the same?
Moderator doesn't have access to user ip addresses and can't ipban from the server. In addition, to lock accounts, set icons, and change account login credentials. Most of their power lies in banning and kicking people from channels.
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i think dugs was the only mod before he became admin. i think mods can only ban names/kick ... not sure if they have the ability to look up IPs/IPban
admins pretty much have complete control over everything. use all commands..
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would be cool if you could set up moderator flags or w/e to give them power to IPban for limited amounts of time
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But Lance does have the right idea...new potential Admins should start out as a moderator for a trial period to see how they do.
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Ah, I see. This is what zone used to do, they would have different levels of member+ and you would get promoted after a certain amount of time and get more abilities.
I think however, that mods should be able to set icons too. I see no harm in starting him as a mod first so I will change the poll and I actually really like the idea of starting all new admins off as mods first and if they handle it well and stuff they can earn a promotion.
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Mods should be allowed to set icons but I believe the /set function is restricted to admins only...not sure if it can be changed? Lance?
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Yea it can and I know alot about admin. The mod would just allow me to ban from channel that's it.
The set command is a root command and Can be given in command groups. If any one has access to set, they can be admin or whatever they want.
My professional career I have domain admin. I trouble shoot users through out the campus from passwords, printers, networking, wap, backup. Running a pvpgn server with 100 people is nothing....
I don't care about people passwords, ip, info. I can harvest it all easily without hesitation. But my job is to support not disturb people's privacy. You are all here for the game like me.
For any confusion between people who don't know me. I had full access to ru before and never even used the power. I actually handed it over to il and he patched up and cleaned up.
So I proven myself loyal over and over.
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For any confusion between people who don't know me. I had full access to ru before and never even used the power. I actually handed it over to il and he patched up and cleaned up.
So I proven myself loyal over and over.
Good enough for me. Switched it back to admin.
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Ah, I see. This is what zone used to do, they would have different levels of member+ and you would get promoted after a certain amount of time and get more abilities.
I think however, that mods should be able to set icons too. I see no harm in starting him as a mod first so I will change the poll and I actually really like the idea of starting all new admins off as mods first and if they handle it well and stuff they can earn a promotion.
As others have stated, a mod is simply an admin with all the dangerous commands removed except for channel moderation. It could be given the ability to do other things, but IMO the default is good enough. If it were given other commands, I think the only command it should have is maybe giving people a new icon. Other than that, nothing else. The ability to kick and ban people from channels is good enough practice before giving them the ability to lock the person off the server with an IP or Hardware ban (which I believe is on the TODO list for iL).
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Ah, I see. This is what zone used to do, they would have different levels of member+ and you would get promoted after a certain amount of time and get more abilities.
I think however, that mods should be able to set icons too. I see no harm in starting him as a mod first so I will change the poll and I actually really like the idea of starting all new admins off as mods first and if they handle it well and stuff they can earn a promotion.
As others have stated, a mod is simply an admin with all the dangerous commands removed except for channel moderation. It could be given the ability to do other things, but IMO the default is good enough. If it were given other commands, I think the only command it should have is maybe giving people a new icon. Other than that, nothing else. The ability to kick and ban people from channels is good enough practice before giving them the ability to lock the person off the server with an IP or Hardware ban (which I believe is on the TODO list for iL).
Agreed but if you say we can assign people rights to commands such as setting icons...that should be done ASAP. Including stats transfer.
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With the default configuration is is possible to do. Mods on war2.us had all of the default moderator commands plus they could set an icon. I did not however have it set so that they could transfer stats, but that does not mean it couldnt be set up. Then again my PVPGN was highly modified, default PVPGN only has command groups which means that either you had access to set or you didnt and set had a LOT of capabilities. You cant lock down set (or other commands such as ipban to only allow time arguments, etc) by default. But adding new commands is childs play. I simply created a new command that had the ability to specified functions if the account had the proper permissions. In otherwords, I modified it such that command groups were no longer needed. I could give users access to different subsets of the "set" command on a per account basis. It also had the side effect of simplying the convoluted "set" syntax. So tupac might be able to give icons and stats, but lightbringer could only set stats, and jade could only set icons, yet they would all be a "moderator". I did not like how PVPGN permissions were developed so I changed it by adding 1 command to pvpgn.
All of these are possible, but they do require work on iL's part. So right now, by default I believe Moderator is just fine. You can always set icons and other things using some website interface if c/c++ is to difficult. That solves a lot of problems and opens up the possibility of making the commands more user friendly and easier to secure. PHP is far simpler and many of the "set" commands can be re-developed in a web interface. Bottom line, it's all completely possible and ANYONE with PHP knowledge could easily develop it for him. There are far more people with PHP/Perl experience than c/c++. Modifying PVPGN truly is not that difficult if you think outside the box.
Here is an example scenario of what I envision as a "web interface". A mod goes to some webpage and is presented with a list of players currently logged in. There is also a search box that can search offline players. Next to each player is a dropdown containing a list of all possible icons, the default selected icon is obviously their current icon. Next to that will be their win/loss stats that are in a TEXT box. Simply typing in new numbers results in changing them. Other things could be there as well, but thats basic enough to give an idea of what I'd consider a better interface than the current PVPGN "set" command system which is very difficult to understand and very easy to fuck up and have to re-type a long ass command. If $pace were around he could tell you that I already had such an interface. It even allowed him to upload new icons from regular gif/png/jpg files. And that's on top of the command I added for doing things from within the war2 client.
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Yes, lance we know how much time and dedication you put into your pvpgn server. Might as well write the whole thing Let's talk about how we can better the server and not ego. If we can actually work as a community and actually setup a development team. Where the developers can see all codes share and grow.
You have a windows 8 fix you know it :)
So much stuff you have. I have alot of cool stuff too but you see I offer my source and give it away or tell you exactly how to do it.
I've been bouncing back and fourth between anti hack detection and a pvpgn bot.
Soon we won't even really need admins auto banning, auto stats transfer, auto icons, I'll edit bot when icons change or what ever.
Why don't I see you in the development section?
Anyways i think iL is neutral with me as an admin.
Blid? What do you think?
Foonat ?
Burnt?
light-?
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I think picka deleted all of Lance ' s work when he hacked him.
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Well start from the bottom and climb to the top again.
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Well start from the bottom and climb to the top again.
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Well how many admins voted lol......
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Well how many admins voted lol......
Yea speaks volumes. Pretty much everyone else is for it.
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Well how many admins voted lol......
Don't expect much from the admins, lazy and useless, why we having this poll in the first place.
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5 more posts to 2500 ryu
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5 more posts to 2500 ryu
Really?
Doesn't really matter, grades stopped at Ogre Mage.
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5 more posts to 2500 ryu
Really?
Doesn't really matter, grades stopped at Ogre Mage.
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Dang.
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Chat room should be installed...think people would use that.
Edit: I guess there is a rank, death knight! Go figure [emoji39]
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yea setup an irc channel.
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Well how many admins voted lol......
Don't expect much from the admins, lazy and useless, why we having this poll in the first place.
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Right now is not lazy and useless, they are just acting like if they never seen this pool and gonna said later we were about to answer! Do you wanna get ban!
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Well how many admins voted lol......
Don't expect much from the admins, lazy and useless, why we having this poll in the first place.
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Right now is not lazy and useless, they are just acting like if they never seen this pool and gonna said later we were about to answer! Do you wanna get ban!
I'd prefer a ban, better than watching this game die from Admins who don't give a crap.
And it's POLL not pool [emoji58]
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Well how many admins voted lol......
Don't expect much from the admins, lazy and useless, why we having this poll in the first place.
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Right now is not lazy and useless, they are just acting like if they never seen this pool and gonna said later we were about to answer! Do you wanna get ban!
I'd prefer a ban, better than watching this game die from Admins who don't give a crap.
And it's POLL not pool [emoji58]
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Dont fuck with ma pool dude.
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Well how many admins voted lol......
Don't expect much from the admins, lazy and useless, why we having this poll in the first place.
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Right now is not lazy and useless, they are just acting like if they never seen this pool and gonna said later we were about to answer! Do you wanna get ban!
I'd prefer a ban, better than watching this game die from Admins who don't give a crap.
And it's POLL not pool [emoji58]
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Dont fuck with ma pool dude.
I ain't messing with you pOol...its POLL
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Poll McCartney.
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Poll McCartney.
That's Paul not even close to Pool or Poll [emoji32]
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Dķķkkkkkkk
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