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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: xXxSmeagolxXx on August 28, 2015, 11:33:08 AM
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There will be bots up soon to assign profi icons etc, transfer stats, and autoban hackers. Il posed the question to anyone on another thread what more can admins do after that, this is my response:
The admins should be advertising this game, hosting tournaments, answering questions to new players so on. Just because bots can handle the stuff they do on the server, they could still be doing stuff for this game. I'm not sure about advertising for this game but I have never seen an advertisement for this game, that is one point that could help get players. Hosting tournaments Tora and I already do that, Burnt did, but with him gone will admins no longer host server sanctioned tournaments? Helping new players I'm sure admins do that on the forum, but what about people on the server? I'm sure they can find someone for information, but my point is there are things admins can and should be doing for this game that don't have to do with commands on the server.
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That is simple. I help people on the server all the time. But I dont get very many requests other than by those that notice I host the bot or by veterans who know I can help. Having a "Support" icon on players willing to help would be beneficial. Admins simply are not needed. And Burnt being removed as an admin has absolutely NO effect on him hosting tournaments, etc. He did nothing that required an admin account, he can still do everything he did previously without any problems at all as far as access is concerned. Besides, what is a "Server sanctioned Tournament" anyway? I dont really see the connection. Just look at any "eSport" online. None of the big tournaments are held by the Gaming company. Sure they might hold some, but the largest ones are 3rd parties that have nothing to do with the game at all other than they host tourneys.
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Lol Lance you totally misunderstand my post or you choose to turn it into a Burnt and you thing. My point was there have been festivals every year that had a big tournament, they were the biggest tournaments of the year. I don't know about other games, but on this server the biggest tournaments have always been hosted by the server, they have the site, in game announcements, War2 topic, so on at their disposal to get the information out to more people more easily. Obviously Burnt can host tournaments still, as I have hosted tournaments for over 6 months twenty of them. This had nothing to do with Burnt it had to do with there are plenty of things the administration can do other than logging on the server to enter some commands. This game may not make money like a business but that is basically what it is. Business's and this server need advertising to keep people using it, and promotions that want people to keep playing. My point remains valid in asking if any of the admins are going to continue server tournaments, which historically have been the biggest. The admins can also find ways to advertise the game without paying money, or if they choose could put money into it. If your argument is the game sustains itself and the admins can now do nothing because of bots, I'll join you in continuing to watch the player base shrink then. Advertising, Tournaments, Info to people, and other things are things admins CAN do, and if they are admins wouldn't they want to, isnt that why they are admins?
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The reasons those tournaments were the biggest is because of the effort and advertising Burnt put into them. He starts getting the word out months in advance, bills it as an annual EVENT, and usually has a big cash prize. People don't show up for the festival because he's an admin, they show up because of those reasons and because the "festival" has a history at this point. In the past, Burnt also had an impressive contact list he put together, so he could get in touch with a bunch of former and current players to get the word out, plus he has the Facebook page.
People don't have to be admins to advertise or run tournaments. If admins want to host a tournament, that's fine, but I don't really see any necessary connection between the two roles.
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Really Blid wow great information. Who would have guessed that putting work into something gets good results... To deny that admins have more power to advertise is just silly. You can put it on the main site, you can make advertisements on the server about it for those months, and you can make the topic set as that, among many other things. To deny that as an admin with access to the server sites and topic emote commands is an advantage is just silly. I have been able to advertise my tournaments and I put effort into them and I get people. That doesn't change the fact that by having access to advertising on Server.War2.Ru and the Warcraft 2 topic, and emoting to all players I would get more interest. I don't want those things, I'm just saying YES having access to the advertising mediums you guys have does help.
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Really Blid wow great information. Who would have guessed that putting work into something gets good results... To deny that admins have more power to advertise is just silly. You can put it on the main site, you can make advertisements on the server about it for those months, and you can make the topic set as that, among many other things. To deny that as an admin with access to the server sites and topic emote commands is an advantage is just silly. I have been able to advertise my tournaments and I put effort into them and I get people. That doesn't change the fact that by having access to advertising on Server.War2.Ru and the Warcraft 2 topic, and emoting to all players I would get more interest. I don't want those things, I'm just saying YES having access to the advertising mediums you guys have does help.
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Eh, you might not buy it but I still don't really agree with you. The main site is more geared toward new players nowadays tbh, it doesn't advertise tournaments at this point and if it did I don't think people would see it anyway. There's a bot that's messaging people when they log in now for Tora's tournament, which does as much as the channel topic would, but on top of that, you don't have to be an admin to have an admin put information about your tourney into the channel topic. I believe the topic is indeed advertising Tora's tournament as well.
One thing that would be cool, I think, is if someone wanting to get a big turnout for a tournament would design a banner, and see if Mousetopher or iL could put it into the banner rotation. That might help a lot. But I don't think it has to be Mousetopher or iL hosting the tournament in order to get that done!
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Don't the banners just cause color issues?
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I know all about Toras tournament I am helping him with it lol... So what Blid and Lance you guys are saying that once bots get set up to transfer stats, assign icons, instant ban and such, you don't want any admins? Because the things I stated are good things for an admin to do once that is set up or now. Advertising the game, getting information to people, and hosting tournaments seem like reasonable things for someone running a site to do to me... If you want to do nothing Blid great, just saying those are good starts for Admins or anyone wanting to help the game to do. If you hold so strongly once the bots are up admins have no purpose, go ahead and step down then, there was a question posed by Il what more can admins do? There you go advertise the game, answer questions/help new players, and host tournaments.
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One thing that would be cool, I think, is if someone wanting to get a big turnout for a tournament would design a banner, and see if Mousetopher or iL could put it into the banner rotation. That might help a lot. But I don't think it has to be Mousetopher or iL hosting the tournament in order to get that done!
There were rotating banners on the server at one point, but it caused a problem for many players where their screens would turn White...so iL removed the multiple banners.
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Don't the banners just cause color issues?
Ya a white screen as I remember?
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If multiple banners flakes people's computers out, you could simply have the tournament banner could be the only banner, providing the tourney is epic enough. Seems like a cool idea to me.
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I guess we can get rid of the new forum banner, the forum isn't new anymore and everyone knows about it by now.
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I guess we can get rid of the new forum banner, the forum isn't new anymore and everyone knows about it by now.
Not really, many people are still clueless about it lol...even if the link is in their face every time they login.
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I know all about Toras tournament I am helping him with it lol... So what Blid and Lance you guys are saying that once bots get set up to transfer stats, assign icons, instant ban and such, you don't want any admins? Because the things I stated are good things for an admin to do once that is set up or now. Advertising the game, getting information to people, and hosting tournaments seem like reasonable things for someone running a site to do to me... If you want to do nothing Blid great, just saying those are good starts for Admins or anyone wanting to help the game to do. If you hold so strongly once the bots are up admins have no purpose, go ahead and step down then, there was a question posed by Il what more can admins do? There you go advertise the game, answer questions/help new players, and host tournaments.
I don't see what those things have to do with the title of "administrator." If some player wants to be helpful and offer support to people with questions, or wants to post advertisements in the wild, or wants to set up a facebook ad sort of thing, let them do it. We can give them a special tag in the game if it helps people find them and receive help. We can call them "administrator" if you think it's necessary but what does the title matter? Do they need to wield the power to ban people to do these things? Why must they be "administrator" and what does that mean?
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I guess we can get rid of the new forum banner, the forum isn't new anymore and everyone knows about it by now.
Well, you could bring the forum banner back after the tournament is over.
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I guess we can get rid of the new forum banner, the forum isn't new anymore and everyone knows about it by now.
hmm really? but it spams all the forum posts when you log in
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Lol Blid I've been trying to avoid this but I'm just going to come out and say it. What do you do at all Blid, besides comment on these forums and ban people once in a while? What is being an admin to you? To me it would be advertising the game trying to make it grow. Obviously to you it's commenting on forums, banning people, and playing once in a while. You feel no need to advertise the server you are part of the administration? That's kinda sad. You feel no need to do anything but hold the power, that's your opinion... To me anyone who is the administration would want to make that the funnest experience and get it out to as many people as possible.
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Also it makes no sense you split this topic, when Il asked what more can Admins do after that? I answered it, it falls right into the same thread.
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Lol Blid I've been trying to avoid this but I'm just going to come out and say it. What do you do at all Blid, besides comment on these forums and ban people once in a while? What is being an admin to you? To me it would be advertising the game trying to make it grow. Obviously to you it's commenting on forums, banning people, and playing once in a while. You feel no need to advertise the server you are part of the administration? That's kinda sad. You feel no need to do anything but hold the power, that's your opinion... To me anyone who is the administration would want to make that the funnest experience and get it out to as many people as possible.
He's the server piggy bank.
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Really Blid wow great information. Who would have guessed that putting work into something gets good results... To deny that admins have more power to advertise is just silly. You can put it on the main site, you can make advertisements on the server about it for those months, and you can make the topic set as that, among many other things. To deny that as an admin with access to the server sites and topic emote commands is an advantage is just silly. I have been able to advertise my tournaments and I put effort into them and I get people. That doesn't change the fact that by having access to advertising on Server.War2.Ru and the Warcraft 2 topic, and emoting to all players I would get more interest. I don't want those things, I'm just saying YES having access to the advertising mediums you guys have does help.
You can do the same thing with a bot that you host yourself. Anyone can run a bot, there are no rules against it other than it cant be spamming everyone constantly. Notifications as people enter the server are excellent ways to advertise, even better than a Title announcement simply because the color is Dark Grey and sticks out like a sore thumb. No one actually reads the title when you enter war2 anyway. I believe there is already a bot advertising a tourney that is happening this Sat. Thats your bot I assume? As for the website, well, there are ways to advertise on that without being an admin as well. It's fairly easy to ask mousie to put a blurb on it for ya. Not like she would say no heh. Heck sometimes she even does it on her own without anyone asking her.
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Yeah I guess I remember now that Blid pays the server payment. That's great I respect that, I'm just saying being on the administration of anything I would think part of your job would be to make that grow and make it the best experience possible. I didn't even mean to call anyone out, Il asked a question I just answered admins could advertise and maybe one could host tournaments. Yes normal users can advertise and host tournaments like me and Tora. We do it because we love the game and want to make it grow, if you are an admin I imagine the same is true of you and that's why you are an admin, so the same should go for you.
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.... Not like she would say no heh. ...
I beg to differ [emoji6]
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I got a great idea! Everytime someone creates a game, make an annoucement in the lobby eg) New Game Created: GoW 2v2
This was people can chat in the lobby without needing to keep checking the join tab.
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Lol Blid I've been trying to avoid this but I'm just going to come out and say it. What do you do at all Blid, besides comment on these forums and ban people once in a while? What is being an admin to you? To me it would be advertising the game trying to make it grow. Obviously to you it's commenting on forums, banning people, and playing once in a while. You feel no need to advertise the server you are part of the administration? That's kinda sad. You feel no need to do anything but hold the power, that's your opinion... To me anyone who is the administration would want to make that the funnest experience and get it out to as many people as possible.
Besides paying for the server, as admin from day one of this thing I think I serve a potentially important role by participating in internal conversations with the really important people like iL and Mouse who actually host the stuff, so that there's a mature and trustworthy voice advising things and keeping things from going in the wrong direction.
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You mean the /watchall command? I use it religiously but about 0% of the new players now about the command or how to use it efficiently. It would have to be a command that can be enabled/disabled because it could become to spammy like the watchall command can be at times. I dont use it all the time. Only when I want to know where people are going.
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Besides paying for the server, as admin from day one of this thing I think I serve a potentially important role by participating in internal conversations with the really important people like iL and Mouse who actually host the stuff, so that there's a mature and trustworthy voice advising things and keeping things from going in the wrong direction.
Having Blid as an admin imo is a good thing. He has more "game" experience than iL and mousetopher combined and is probably one of the better players on top of that. Having a veteran player admin is perfect especially if they contribute cash ;)
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Oh yea the watchall. That is annoying cause you have to turn it on and off and it shows people joining the channel and stuff which isn't necessary. Just having the new games created posted would be good.
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I find it funny how this got split from the main thread. Il asked a question I answered. I didn't mean to start a big discussion or an argument, i meant to show that the leadership(administration) of anything have more duties than commands. If you are the leadership of a business or organization you would want to get your product(War2Combat) out to as many people as you can, or you would want to assign someone to do that. As the leadership of something you would also want to make your product(Warcraft 2) as fun as possible, that's why I said hosting tournaments. There are other things an admin could do as well, was just saying advertising, hosting tournaments, as an Admin you should want these things because its your site, but yes anyone can do it.
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Also Blid I'm not calling you out personally. I respect that you pay the server free, and yes you have been here from day 1, so you have done your share. I was asked and I simply shared what leadership of an organization means to me.
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What's wrong with splitting? The whole idea of a forum is to have in-depth discussions, and this is a separate conversation from il's post about the antihack.
Advertising, helping new players, hosting tournies etc. are all great, but those are things everyone can do. Admins have a finite amount of time that they can devote to wc2, same as everyone else, so they tend to do the things that everyone else can't do, like improving the server itself and keeping it running. Paying bills. Administrative stuff. Would you prefer e.g. that iL sat in the channel all day telling new players how to host rather than developing an antihack? Or that I had hosted a bunch of tournaments rather than building and maintaining a modern website?
Another point, the people who actually do the things you suggest tend to get nominated to become admins anyway. Remember when Rit was here for like a month and took a bunch of initiative? Challonge, Google calendar, some other stuff. He was nominated more than once. I personally don't feel like people who do these things need to become "admins" though. Maybe server mods, or "community leaders" or something, based on what they contribute.
Bottom line: wc2 needs volunteers, not finger pointing. Everyone wants to pitch the ideas, no one wants to do the work. And that's understandable, we've all got shit to do.
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No one is pointing fingers Mouse all in your head. You still fail to see that Il asked a question and I answered. I don't care what any of you say advertising your own site falls on you not the users. So by your account of things Mouse the local Subway, the people who patronize subway should be making advertisements for it... Lmao. You only feel like I'm pointing fingers because your work as an admin is on the site, and you do nothing of what I said. Hosting tournaments and helping people can for sure fall to other people. Advertising your own site falls on other people, pshh please. I'm not even saying it's YOUR job or any specific admin, it should be your job to make sure it's getting advertised by someone though. If you don't want input on what admins should do maybe Il shouldn't ask.
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Tournaments banners are really cool, that's a fact. And they can be gifs too! (I think? I remember fire moving @ mousetopher's)
Icons will be assigned, banners will be added, there's really nothing preventing a creative person from starting a tournament.
Blid, I vaguely remember a discussion about this, but: have you guys discussed the idea of micro payments for some shit? Like, uhhh, personal icons or XXX wins? Iono, no good ideas for now, but the money could be used to host the server and $$ tournaments.
Maybe special character names? But I think they're all allowed in .ru after a change back in 2008-ish
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It's not a business man, we don't have any more of a vested interest in keeping the server going than you do. We do it because we enjoy the game, it's actually a /burden/ that we willingly undertake because of that fact. Why wouldn't people pitch in if they also enjoy playing, and want the community to thrive? Why is there this sense of entitlement for a completely free service..? And I mean, if someone doesn't have time to work on the server... then they don't have time. How do you not understand that? Do you expect us to quit our jobs to advertise a warcraft 2 server or what?
If you don't want input on what admins should do maybe Il shouldn't ask.
Your input's welcome, isn't mine?
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...., it's actually a /burden/ that we willingly undertake because of that fact. ...Do you expect us to quit our jobs to advertise a warcraft 2 server or what?
There are people willing to take the burden away from you, not like you have a gun to your head forcing you to do it. If you can't meet its commitments, let others who can take the task at hand.
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Lol mouse is getting all butthurt, don't mean to say it that way but it's true. You volunteered so your argument is I volunteered so I shouldn't have to do full work? If you don't have the time assign someone else, it's not rocket science Mouse. I never said what you did wasn't valuable, all I said was there is other things the administration can do once server commands are taken care of by bots. If you think admins should have no responsibility for anything once the bots are up great Mouse. The fact remains it's not a business, but it is a product and an organization. I have hosted tournaments and put up my own money for tournaments, advertised this server in videos so don't act like I have no idea the time and energy involved. If you feel its a free service and you volunteer so you and the administration shouldn't try to make it better, that's a terrible attitude.
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You act like I listed each admin then said exactly what they should and shouldn't be doing. I said the administration should be advertising the game or assigning someone to do it and you take it as a personal attack or that I'm, "Pointing fingers" . The other suggestions I made are valid too, you are the leadership of this game, you want others to do stuff, shouldn't you lead by example or put people into leadership positions who will? I basically made some suggestions of things admins could do after Il asked(all things that can help the game) and you want to act like I'm tearing down the administration. The administration hosting tournaments, advertising the game, and anything else they can do to help the game isn't accusations it's helpful suggestions.
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...., it's actually a /burden/ that we willingly undertake because of that fact. ...Do you expect us to quit our jobs to advertise a warcraft 2 server or what?
There are people willing to take the burden away from you, not like you have a gun to your head forcing you to do it. If you can't meet its commitments, let others who can take the task at hand.
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Hmm Smeagol, I dont know if you are aware of this or not but not all "businesses/organizations" are run by the admins in the manor you are suggesting. If you would like an example, here is a shortlist of some very PROMINENT "businesses" that are promoted, developed, and used by the users rather than the "admins".
Apache (Runs 76% of all websites)
Linux (Runs 82% of all servers on the internet)
MySQL (Runs 59% of all databases)
PVPGN (We all know what this one is)
and last but not least, War2.RU :)
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... War2.US :)
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I fucked hate MySQL, my company is to lazy to switch over the legacy data stored on it. Forcing me to use that piece of shit. Idk who the Dba was but shit queries so slow. [emoji35]
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Lol, yea fixed that hahah. Habit ;)
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i dislike the emote-only posts and theres two right in front of me!!!!!!
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The places you are naming, are places that users need their product. No one needs Warcraft 2. As you can see the numbers are falling on the server , so advertising could obviously help. If I need a tire and there's only one tire company in town obviously I'm probably going to go there. There are probably millions of free games, how is someone going to know to play Warcraft 2? The game is spread by users and it keeps dropping in users, so the answer wouldn't be to implement some advertisement plan? Hmm
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I think you are looking at it all wrong Smeagol. The problem isnt and has never been advertising. The problem is accountability really. The hackers have pretty much destroyed this game and people simply get sick of it and leave. Having to deal with Bennih for example every freakin day saying something stupid like "Lance Noob" or whatever and then going on a tirade about how he's superior in every way etc etc. That is cancerous to the game itself. What players want more than advertising are features that benefit them. Here is another example.
From 200? - 2004 the RU server experienced an increase in players coming from the Bnet servers due to Burnt (a player at the time) telling everyone about something cool he had discovered (not what was advertised to him). Then from 2004 - 2008 it experienced a noticeable steady decline in players but those players never went back to Bnet. They simply stopped playing. In 2008 - 2009 there was another steep increase in players. This was due to the fact that the server had some never before seen features. In 2009 those changes were removed by the then administration (slightly different people than today). From 2009 - Current, the server has experienced massive decline, a decline in the features, and an increase in advertising that it once had. These facts are not a coincidence. The statistics support the fact that if you bring the features, the players will not only come but they will also stay if the environment supports a good clean, exciting experience.
Advertising works, but ONLY if you have a platform that people are willing to continue to re-visit. In it's current state, that is not what War2.RU is, but that is going to change in the not so distant future. iL has already made HUGE leaps over the previous generation of War2.RU and it should be able to sustain a population soon if it's not to late of course. I'm hoping that we are putting out the fire before it's a total loss but we wont really know until this thing is just completely dead with 0 people logged in during prime time. Something that was definitely going to happen if some drastic changes didnt take place with the platform itself.
There have been many opensource projects that are or where in the same boat as War2.RU is in right now. One such example is Mandrake Linux. It was on the brink of total disaster but it was due to problems with the platform rather than anything else. It was being "administrated and advertised" by a select few rather than by the users. What happened? It lost 86% of it's userbase over a 4 year period. They changed the "policy" to allow community members to make changes, advertise (IE: at one point they didnt let people use their Mandrake "logo"/"Tradename" on things that they didnt approve of) and thus became "Mandriva" a now thriving opensource Linux platform. I see war2.RU in the same situation. Hopefully it can have the same outcome as well.
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2008-2009 A huge number of people came here because Battle.net totally died lmao. The features you're talking about are what regular users of the game want mainly. If you say to someone that has never played Warcraft 2 get custom icons, anti hack, and do server commands with bots instantly! They are going to be like wait what's Warcraft 2? I have no idea what those things are. Most the people who play on this server play here because there is no other server for Warcraft 2, and most of them came here when Battle.net died. Having features is going to help keep new players, but keeping the 200 people that play this game isn't going to do shit if you don't bring new people in as well. I'm not against adding new features to keep new players, you also have to get new players as well its a two way street.
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...., it's actually a /burden/ that we willingly undertake because of that fact. ...Do you expect us to quit our jobs to advertise a warcraft 2 server or what?
There are people willing to take the burden away from you, not like you have a gun to your head forcing you to do it. If you can't meet its commitments, let others who can take the task at hand.
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Anyone who wants to take the burden away is invited to host tournaments, do advertising, help newbies, etc. Isn't that what we've been saying throughout this thread? That that so-called burden of those sorts of things is not something only administrators can do?
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...., it's actually a /burden/ that we willingly undertake because of that fact. ...Do you expect us to quit our jobs to advertise a warcraft 2 server or what?
There are people willing to take the burden away from you, not like you have a gun to your head forcing you to do it. If you can't meet its commitments, let others who can take the task at hand.
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Anyone who wants to take the burden away is invited to host tournaments, do advertising, help newbies, etc. Isn't that what we've been saying throughout this thread? That that so-called burden of those sorts of things is not something only administrators can do?
Why? The way the server is currently run will automatically null any progress that is made from those efforts.
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No one has denied anyone can do it Blid. There are people who do it, the point is why can't the administration as well. Your time of adding icons, transferring stats, and shit will be done soon. The question was asked what else admins can do and those are things you can do, or assign someone to do. If you want the users of the server to do I don't see why the leadership can't as well. I wasn't even saying like these fuckin admins they are so inactive they are useless or anything, I was giving suggestions.
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2008-2009 A huge number of people came here because Battle.net totally died lmao. The features you're talking about are what regular users of the game want mainly. If you say to someone that has never played Warcraft 2 get custom icons, anti hack, and do server commands with bots instantly! They are going to be like wait what's Warcraft 2? I have no idea what those things are. Most the people who play on this server play here because there is no other server for Warcraft 2, and most of them came here when Battle.net died. Having features is going to help keep new players, but keeping the 200 people that play this game isn't going to do shit if you don't bring new people in as well. I'm not against adding new features to keep new players, you also have to get new players as well its a two way street.
I see you are misinformed about the actual history of things. RU was the sole place to use War2 from 2006 - Present. Not a single soul was on the BNE servers from 2005 onward aside from the occasional player logging in and wondering where everyone went. Only to find that they had moved after they read the Occult forum.
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Lol Lance you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. Battle.net died in 2009 when I came here. In about 2007 or so everyone went to West for a year or so then we came back to East for a year before it totally died in 2009! I had 8000 games on xXxSmeagolxXx on East I ought to know. There were 100s of people still playing Battle.net after 2005 lmao.
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It appears you forgot that the old forums still exist. Date stamps and all. You are older than you want to admit to I think :)
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Lol Lance you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. Battle.net died in 2009 when I came here. In about 2007 or so everyone went to West for a year or so then we came back to East for a year before it totally died in 2009! I had 8000 games on xXxSmeagolxXx on East I ought to know. There were 100s of people still playing Battle.net after 2005 lmao.
He's not a customer player, most of the remaining players you are talking about were custom players...the other half had already pretty much died out.
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It appears I have a memory of what really happened. I met the Mother of my kid in 2006, I introduced her to Warcraft 2 and we played on Battle.net from 2006-2009. There were many players at the time such as , Me, Killa_Yaky. x[Dw]x-Chogall, WorkOfArt, EricWagner, Elmodoesdrugs, Murd0ck , ther were 100s of people. I played well over 1000 games from 2006-2009. What would time stamps on the occult forum mean shit? Is there also screen shots showing no one on, because it's not true, there we're still players on Battle.net until 2009. There may not have been much GOW the community mostly moved to RU, but there were people and games hosted on Battle.net for years after 2005 and the channel was never once empty from 2005-2009.
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...I met the Mother of my kid in 2006, I introduced her to Warcraft 2 and we played on Battle.net from 2006-2009. ...
And we both know how much a delight she is...[emoji31]
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2008-2009 A huge number of people came here because Battle.net totally died lmao. The features you're talking about are what regular users of the game want mainly. If you say to someone that has never played Warcraft 2 get custom icons, anti hack, and do server commands with bots instantly! They are going to be like wait what's Warcraft 2? I have no idea what those things are. Most the people who play on this server play here because there is no other server for Warcraft 2, and most of them came here when Battle.net died. Having features is going to help keep new players, but keeping the 200 people that play this game isn't going to do shit if you don't bring new people in as well. I'm not against adding new features to keep new players, you also have to get new players as well its a two way street.
You're not going to get very many people who don't know what War2 is to start playing a 20-year-old game.
The key to getting "new" players is, imo, the following:
Have the client and server ready and welcoming. This means:
* the download being easy to find on the webpage
* the client displaying properly when people create an account and log in
* people being able to host and join games upon signing in
* having a community that welcomes people and integrates them instead of booting them or flaming them
THEN you reach out to long-gone players who remember the game fondly
There was a post on reddit linking here a few months ago that got hundreds of upvotes from nostalgic people that none of us know. Reaching those people and others that used to play and have moved on is the best possible way to increase our draw. Facebook ads could play a role. Then these players or groups of players come to the website, and, because of the stuff listed above, are able to play and have fun and stick around to play more often.
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"Have the client and server ready and welcoming. This means:" if you they don't know the website having the download link in an easy to find section is going to do nothing. "Have the client and server ready and welcoming. This means: Reach out to long-gone players who remember the game fondly" this is still advertising, its just advertising to a select group.
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It was 2005 everyone (except war2 ladder challenges) went to USWest when the DW clan took over the server and provided more games. I was recruiting every new player I saw. People didn't head back to East until I left free castles and started playing classic maps and the server fell apart without me.
2006 .RU opened and early tournaments got most of War2 Ladder Challenge players to switch by 2007, then the hunt for other classic map players began and we were able to bring a lot of them back. When we first began getting people to switch people were still mainly playing fastest speed, the EF tournaments changed the game back to the EF speed and made for a lot of old schoolers to return. The no cd key thing was exactly what the game needed. By 2008 we had a huge community of oldschool EF players, lots of legends were back. In 2009 the rest of the custom / fastest community came over finally after being able to get important clan leaders to make the switch and move over their clans, it lead to the rest of people following suit. You can find old messages about it on the server.war2.ru main page where we were welcoming over the clan mates.
The main thing that has kept this game alive is the fact that no cd or cd key are required to play. There are new players and old users who constantly find their way back to the game, and stick around for however much time. New features will defiantly be great to keep them around, and I think keeping them involved in clans for the newer players will be just as important as they find common people to play with without being banned and feeling alienated from the community. We are right on the top of google and youtube searches, a lot of the advertisement in finding this game takes care of itself these days. Keep them hooked in clans and the server player base can be saved. There are probably just as much or more new players who come to / log back on the game today then there were on BNET back in 2005. Just have to hook them.
If Warcraft 2 would have stayed Battle.Net I really doubt there would be any users left gaming today. Starcraft USA channels use to have about 10 channels full compared to Warcraft 2 USA-1 and when I went and looked at it on both east and west a couple weeks ago they were completely empty. I don't think enough people would have kept their CD Keys / CD's in good enough condition for it to last.
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"Have the client and server ready and welcoming. This means:" if you they don't know the website having the download link in an easy to find section is going to do nothing. "Have the client and server ready and welcoming. This means: Reach out to long-gone players who remember the game fondly" this is still advertising, its just advertising to a select group.
Yes, the second half of that post is about advertising. I'm not trying to say otherwise.
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Point proved, Battle.net was alive until 2009! Lol. Yes no CD Key and no disc is one big thing that keeps people playing here I agree. It is proven advertising anything will bring more people to what you are advertising. The server may be self advertising in ways, but obviously not fully or the player base wouldn't be dropping. Trying to reach out to old players or posting advertisements on gaming sites or payed advertisements on public sites can't hurt anything. You can say the game is self advertising and in the past it has done well that way yes, it's also been dropping in users in recent years. I advertise Warcraft 2 in the description of all of my videos, on my PBall Players Group, to people I meet or my friends. The point is advertising can't hurt anything.
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The main thing that has kept this game alive is the fact that no cd or cd key are required to play. There are new players and old users who constantly find their way back to the game, and stick around for however much time. New features will defiantly be great to keep them around, and I think keeping them involved in clans for the newer players will be just as important as they find common people to play with without being banned and feeling alienated from the community. We are right on the top of google and youtube searches, a lot of the advertisement in finding this game takes care of itself these days. Keep them hooked in clans and the server player base can be saved. There are probably just as much or more new players who come to / log back on the game today then there were on BNET back in 2005. Just have to hook them.
If Warcraft 2 would have stayed Battle.Net I really doubt there would be any users left gaming today. Starcraft USA channels use to have about 10 channels full compared to Warcraft 2 USA-1 and when I went and looked at it on both east and west a couple weeks ago they were completely empty. I don't think enough people would have kept their CD Keys / CD's in good enough condition for it to last.
Good post and good points. This game would be literally totally dead today if .ru hadn't come along and gotten rid of the cd key requirement.
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So does your wife still play smeagol? I'll swap ya for a couple days baseball card style. Mint wife in excellent condition for mint wife in excellent condition :)
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gross
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So does your wife still play smeagol? I'll swap ya for a couple days baseball card style. Mint wife in excellent condition for mint wife in excellent condition :)
Uh you wouldn't be able to handle her lol [emoji28]
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gross
Same could be said about your optimistic attitude [emoji4]
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Point proved, Battle.net was alive until 2009! Lol. Yes no CD Key and no disc is one big thing that keeps people playing here I agree. It is proven advertising anything will bring more people to what you are advertising. The server may be self advertising in ways, but obviously not fully or the player base wouldn't be dropping. Trying to reach out to old players or posting advertisements on gaming sites or payed advertisements on public sites can't hurt anything. You can say the game is self advertising and in the past it has done well that way yes, it's also been dropping in users in recent years. I advertise Warcraft 2 in the description of all of my videos, on my PBall Players Group, to people I meet or my friends. The point is advertising can't hurt anything.
I agree for sure, I have posted hundreds to thousands over the years, it is just harder to do these days with forum restrictions as well. Your ip gets tagged as spammer and you can't even register on them, if you spam facebook you get reported, youtube comments no longer lets you spam advertisements either. All methods I would mainly use in the past. If you go through the effort you can get some advertisements posted though but even most of those will be deleted.
I think the best thing anyone wanting to help can do are (hosting tournaments like you are doing) and starting a clan or being a member of a clan and actively recruiting newbies for them.
Unless you do have the capabilities to produce game extras then obviously that would be a plus as well.
More of my thoughts. brb
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LMFAO Lance. Nah me and uh girlfriend broke up after 4 years and a kid, about 5 years back. If you wanna do a little 3 some with your wife, as long as her looks are adequate I might be down :P. LMFAO
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LMFAO Lance. Nah me and uh girlfriend broke up after 4 years and a kid, about 5 years back. If you wanna do a little 3 some with your wife, as long as her looks are adequate I might be down :P. LMFAO
Your wife was a looker [emoji29]
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LOL Ryu, I met her over the phone with some other girls and got to know them before seeing them. She wasn't the best looking to some people maybe, but we connected on a personal level, or at least I thought. Turned out to be the relationship from hell in the end, but hindsight is 20 20.
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LMFAO Lance. Nah me and uh girlfriend broke up after 4 years and a kid, about 5 years back. If you wanna do a little 3 some with your wife, as long as her looks are adequate I might be down :P. LMFAO
Wouldnt be the first time I've done something crazy like that ;) To bad about your chick and the kid. My chick still plays war2 but only if "she gets to win" lol.
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Hahaha, don't feel bad the relationship ending was probably best for her, my son, and me. I still see my son and keep up in his life, we just aren't together anymore. As for the 3 some if you're ever in Iowa don't forget my contact information! LOL!
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Shawna is a funny teamspeak companion!
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Shawna is a pretty nice girl, she can definitely be fun. I'm not going to go into personal details, but a relationship with her can also suck. Well at least for me toward the end of the relationship. I guess it would depend, but she can be very demanding and expect shit of you and other shit lol.
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Funny how this thread went from what Admins can do for the game other than doing commands on the server, to 3 somes and Warcraft 2 girlfriends LOL.
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Point proved, Battle.net was alive until 2009! Lol. Yes no CD Key and no disc is one big thing that keeps people playing here I agree. It is proven advertising anything will bring more people to what you are advertising. The server may be self advertising in ways, but obviously not fully or the player base wouldn't be dropping. Trying to reach out to old players or posting advertisements on gaming sites or payed advertisements on public sites can't hurt anything. You can say the game is self advertising and in the past it has done well that way yes, it's also been dropping in users in recent years. I advertise Warcraft 2 in the description of all of my videos, on my PBall Players Group, to people I meet or my friends. The point is advertising can't hurt anything.
I agree for sure, I have posted hundreds to thousands over the years, it is just harder to do these days with forum restrictions as well. Your ip gets tagged as spammer and you can't even register on them, if you spam facebook you get reported, youtube comments no longer lets you spam advertisements either. All methods I would mainly use in the past. If you go through the effort you can get some advertisements posted though but even most of those will be deleted.
I think the best thing anyone wanting to help can do are (hosting tournaments like you are doing) and starting a clan or being a member of a clan and actively recruiting newbies for them.
Unless you do have the capabilities to produce game extras then obviously that would be a plus as well.
More of my thoughts. brb
Okay think outside the box if an IP is stopping you. I agree with the comments and spamming part. Make some hot ass chick on Facebook then when you got a million of followers randomly change it to war2 stuff rofl.
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I just don't believe it is worth the time if they are logging on , getting banned from games and leaving. There are tons of new people coming to the server already.. we just have to keep them.
That's why right now it is kind of a good thing a lot of the veterans have left us. It leaves the door open now to rebuild. I can try with what time I have, but I am hoping some others will do this method as well.
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Funny how this thread went from what Admins can do for the game other than doing commands on the server, to 3 somes and Warcraft 2 girlfriends LOL.
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Damnit, I was hoping with the split we could get a thread about swappin ;)
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Cuckold thread
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Naa just Hotwife thread ;) Theres a difference between the two lol. But then again, I wouldnt expect anyone here to actually know the difference hehe.
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I was suggesting new things for the sex administration thread XD
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Isn't cuckold more of when the husband watches or allows his wife to be screwed all the time by men? I really don't know because who the fuck knows this shit? Haha. Anyway in my vision of this 3 some with Lance's wife he wouldn't be watching, we would both be double teaming his wife. Lance is in front and I'm behind riding her like a pony! LMFAO jk
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cuckolding is more about the wife straying and the dude being a bitch. some guys may like that or some may just be getting cheated on unwillingly. swapping is more of just a sleazy thing where people get to fuck people other than their partners
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my girl is pretty fine just for the record. chics dig poker players.
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You putting that out there cause you want a 3 some with me Ganz? Hmm I was never into this 3 some thing but shit I keep getting hints and offers, I dunno PM with some pics and details ;). LOL
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Honestly though this side convo has been entertaining, but I just want to add this to main topic. When the question came up and I responded with some helpful things the administration could do, I got a lackadaisical response from all of the administration but Burnt. Reading these forums you'll come across people over and over calling the administration lazy and incompetent. I wouldn't go that far, but I can see why that attitude gets furthered though because when I post suggestions I'm met with resistance automatically. The main argument from the administration seems to be we do it for free and we don't have time. I understand Il works on the programming, Mouse on the site, and Blid as payment and forum support. That's great you all have jobs and you do them well. I don't see why appointing a new admin to help advertise the game, host tournaments or help with any people hosting one, and do things on the server that engage the community is such a taboo idea. Il could continue to program, Mouse can continue working on the site and forum, and blid can continue paying and adding insight, the new person(once someone volunteers) could work to better the server by hosting, playing, and advertising. TK is gone Lightbringer is gone at least for now, Burnt is now gone and he hosted many tournaments advertised, why would you not appoint a new admin? I've seen people ask over and over for a new one in topics on this forum. It's just my opinion but a version of my opinion is shared by many people it seems from reading these forums. Obviously you don't have to listen to me, but you want the community to organize things and advertise, why would you not put an admin in charge of helping such activities?
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There is also the question of WHO would want to do those things. The few people who show any interest in doing them either A. dont want to be a admin (you, ritalin), or B. are a hazard risk like Archer and Equinox or C. Just talk and nothing more.
It only takes one admin to handle icons, bans, stat transfers and what not.. or even the bot you were talking about? (idk haven't seen that thread yet). Adding admins is just a tired argument that solves nothing really in my opinion. We have added plenty in the past, foonat, electrified ice, frostbitten, lightbringer, and tk and it never resulted in some turn around of players.
If someone wants the /announce command I am pretty sure they have figured out a access to designate it to a person without them being a actual admin. Hand that out to anyone wanting to host tournaments.
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Well given you could find someone honorable enough who wanted the job, I still think it could be a decent idea. The admins you mentioned that were assigned in the past are all gone, I honestly don't see how it can hurt adding a new one. From what I understand Il wants this forum and site run like a democracy, when people have asked over and over for a new admin and one hasn't been added that doesn't seem like a democracy. Maybe a poll to decide? If the poll did say add a new admin, I don't think it should be rushed though. The right person who is trustworthy and wants to do it should be found.
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If the poll did say add a new admin
that poll would be worthless, because even with "YES" there would be need for another poll with a specific candidate and people could vote NO forever. If anything, gather several people that WANT the admin, start a poll with ALL of them (votes on multiple candidates allowed) and promise that the one with highest vote count gets the job. That method guarantees we'll have a new admin
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cuckolding is more about the wife straying and the dude being a bitch. some guys may like that or some may just be getting cheated on unwillingly. swapping is more of just a sleazy thing where people get to fuck people other than their partners
Rofl!!!
Damn well I guess if they fuck their wife's right they won't she won't need a 3 sum lol deep strokes guys, deep strokes....
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cuckolding is more about the wife straying and the dude being a bitch. some guys may like that or some may just be getting cheated on unwillingly. swapping is more of just a sleazy thing where people get to fuck people other than their partners
Rofl!!!
Damn well I guess if they fuck their wife's right they won't she won't need a 3 sum lol deep strokes guys, deep strokes....
...what o_o Just came back to check on this thread, did not expect to see that, lol. Do I even need to read the other four pages?
I don't see why appointing a new admin to help advertise the game, host tournaments or help with any people hosting one, and do things on the server that engage the community is such a taboo idea. Il could continue to program, Mouse can continue working on the site and forum, and blid can continue paying and adding insight, the new person(once someone volunteers) could work to better the server by hosting, playing, and advertising.
Who said it's taboo? I maintain that making such a person an "admin" isn't strictly necessary, it seems like a glorified catchall title more than anything, but I'm not opposed to it either if that's the way it has to be. (That's how it's always been done in the past anyway.)
I do think it should be required that any potential candidate actively demonstrate their intention, availability, and commitment up front before any kind of arbitrary title is awarded. Promoting someone based on a community vote and nothing else in no way guarantees that they'll ever do actually anything and not just bug off after a couple weeks. I mean right? Or am I misunderstanding? It's basically like a company telling an employee "Here's a raise, we expect great things from you" instead of "You've been doing great things the past x months, here's a raise"
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That's why I said find the right person Mouse. Just because you don't want to do any of the things that engage the community, doesn't meant that would be the view of a joining admin. You talk about wanting others to do things in the community, I don't see why there couldn't be a person to actively help with that(the person would be a somewhat active person so they would already be on that game a lot). It's taboo because of your response just now, every time someone comes up with an idea to add an admin its thrown out. The admin would have a set group of things to do, obviously no one can make them do it, but if they signed up to do those things I see no reason why they wouldn't do what they said.
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People that wait for an admin position to do shit get bored of doing that shit after 2 weeks. It's been proven on multiple occasions
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People that wait for an admin position to do shit get bored of doing that shit after 2 weeks. It's been proven on multiple occasions
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if anyone trustworthy started putting a lot of time and effort into advertising the server, that's the type of person we'd add to the admin team.
Burnt listed a lot of admin names in one of his posts above. Plenty of people we've given the position to over the years. We've certainly never closed our doors to people that want to help. Just look at Mousetopher for evidence of that. Mousetopher is a relative newcomer but made and hosted a great website for us, and now is one of the leaders here.
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Just look at Mousetopher for evidence of that. Mousetopher is a relative newcomer but made and hosted a great website for us, and now is one of the leaders here.
Rofl
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Don't remind me. >_>
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good job on the banner btw. it does the job just fine, i hope it will bring lots of players.
BTW, we have about 10 idiots discussing all kinds of tournaments and ideas, but in the end, im basically the only one from the entire forum that participates in all the tournaments on regular basis? get your shit together, forum.war2.ru
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Yes the banner is nice, I was glad to see it up. As for you showing up to ALL the tournaments, what are you on about Claw? You showed up to one tournament the GOW one Tora hosted. I've hosted 20 tournaments, 2 of which were advertised on the forums, you didn't show up to either of those 2. I realize my tournaments are early in the morning your time, but showing up to one tournament is not showing up to them all haha.
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I agree with you though that people who discuss the tournaments on the forum should get in on them. The last GOW you're right I'm pretty sure you were the only forum player there. The PBall tournaments I've hosted have for the most part been all people who regularly PBall, or did years back that I got back into it. I'm hoping with the $100 tournament coming up October 3rd that lots of people will give it a shot and maybe some will like it and come back.
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Yes the banner is nice, I was glad to see it up. As for you showing up to ALL the tournaments, what are you on about Claw? You showed up to one tournament the GOW one Tora hosted. I've hosted 20 tournaments, 2 of which were advertised on the forums, you didn't show up to either of those 2. I realize my tournaments are early in the morning your time, but showing up to one tournament is not showing up to them all haha.
im talking about gow tournaments hosted at reasonable times, see: toras tourney or equinox's UWC or all the past events. Im not counting your 3-4am pball mini tournaments that arent even advertised
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cuckolding is more about the wife straying and the dude being a bitch. some guys may like that or some may just be getting cheated on unwillingly. swapping is more of just a sleazy thing where people get to fuck people other than their partners
Rofl!!!
Damn well I guess if they fuck their wife's right they won't she won't need a 3 sum lol deep strokes guys, deep strokes....
...what o_o Just came back to check on this thread, did not expect to see that, lol. Do I even need to read the other four pages?
I don't see why appointing a new admin to help advertise the game, host tournaments or help with any people hosting one, and do things on the server that engage the community is such a taboo idea. Il could continue to program, Mouse can continue working on the site and forum, and blid can continue paying and adding insight, the new person(once someone volunteers) could work to better the server by hosting, playing, and advertising.
Who said it's taboo? I maintain that making such a person an "admin" isn't strictly necessary, it seems like a glorified catchall title more than anything, but I'm not opposed to it either if that's the way it has to be. (That's how it's always been done in the past anyway.)
I do think it should be required that any potential candidate actively demonstrate their intention, availability, and commitment up front before any kind of arbitrary title is awarded. Promoting someone based on a community vote and nothing else in no way guarantees that they'll ever do actually anything and not just bug off after a couple weeks. I mean right? Or am I misunderstanding? It's basically like a company telling an employee "Here's a raise, we expect great things from you" instead of "You've been doing great things the past x months, here's a raise"
Hahaha forgot I typed that lol.
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Lol Claw you act like it's impossible to join the tournaments because they are at 3 AM. List of European players at the last 2 tournaments: [ td ]Medivh, Murd)ck, Zappa, Delirios, 8)Mikulz(8, and maybe more. Also in what way are they mini tournaments? The UWC were 8 player tournaments pretty sure, Toras last one which I helped with was 11. Also the two tournaments I mentioned WERE advertised and you knew about them well since I talked to you on Facebook and on here about them. Reasonable times is a different thing to different people. I don't know of one tournament hosted in this server's history that was a reasonable time for Australians. A donator to my tournaments and a few regular players in them are Australian, they are on Saturdays most people have the weekend off it's just a matter of staying up unless you work Sunday. Also I'm still wondering what you mean by "mini tournaments" they have all been 8 and the PBall Reunion Tournament 19 showed up if the server didn't crash it would have been a big tournament. If I hadn't started hosting these tournaments in late 2014 ~Tora~ wouldn't be hosting GOW tournaments. ~Tora~ has been my friend for some time, he saw me hosting tournaments then a cash one and wanted to do the same for GOW. It's cool ~Tora~ is expanding it to GOW, but be thankful for my "mini tournaments" lmao.
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Lol Claw you act like it's impossible to join the tournaments because they are at 3 AM.
sure, but dont force me to even consider playing in a pball tournament that starts at 3am. its unplayable regardless of how long your list of european psychos/addicts losers list is.
4PM saturday is a great consensus for the entire globe, its your choice to refuse to host it at reasonable times and my choice to completely ignore them
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4 PM EST is 4 AM WA time how is that a consensus for the whole globe? It's the same time you refuse to join at, you must really need your sleep. I work every morning at 2 AM and 1 AM on Sunday, it's actually not that hard to be up that late especially on weekends. Lol don't play, I'm just saying up until 3 AM or setting an alarm for 3 AM on a weekend will not kill a person, I am up every morning at that time.
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4 PM EST is 4 AM WA time how is that a consensus for the whole globe?
weighted mean. amount of players = more importance. see, theres your consensus. of course youre always going to find some lousy timezone at which its night time, thats how the globe works lol
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Well as far as just pure population you're right Europe dwarfs Australia. As far as European to Australian PBalles though there's not a huge difference. Most of the PBallers tend to hail from the United States. There is PBallers from all of the world, but I also didn't just choose the time because of Australia. Starting in late 2014 I began hosting tournaments by word of mouth mostly no advertising and they all just happened to end up being at the same time 7-9 PM USA time. That's mostly because they were almost all USA players except QUICK{hR} an Australian and the random other country person. So when I started advertising them I advertised them for that same time and people have showed up. I made the cash tournament at that time for that reason and because QUICK{hR} is a donator in it. You don't have to show up but it would be cool if you did, my income revolves around me waking up at 2 AM every morning, it's possible man haha. I'm just curious as to when you work, you're off weekends? You can't wake up at 3 AM on a day you are off for a chance at cash? Haha up to you I'm just saying the time is all what you make it, it's been a good time for people showing up.